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WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO HAVE A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW, AND HOW DOES
IT DIFFER FROM A SECULAR WORLDVIEW? PUBLIC OPINION POLLS
REVEAL THAT THE AVERAGE CHRISTIAN HAS NO IDEA WHAT THE
DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THE TWO. FOR A CLEAR EXPLANATION FROM A
RENOWNED CHRISTIAN AUTHOR, STAY TUNED.
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LAMB AND LION MINISTRIES PRESENTS CHRIST IN PROPHECY,
A PROGRAM THAT FOCUSES ON THE FUNDAMENTALS OF BIBLE PROPHECY,
SHOWING HOW CURRENT EVENTS IN THE NEWS RELATE TO BIBLICAL
PREDICTIONS OF END TIME EVENTS AND THE SOON RETURN OF JESUS.
NOW, HERE'S YOUR HOST, DR. DAVID REAGAN.
GREETINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS, OUR BLESSED HOPE, AND WELCOME TO
CHRIST IN PROPHECY. MY COLLEAGUE NATHAN JONES AND I HAVE A VERY
SPECIAL GUEST WITH US TODAY. HIS NAME IS CARL GALLUPS, THE AUTHOR
OF THE BEST-SELLING BOOK CALLED, "THE MAGIC MAN IN THE SKY." CARL
IS THE LONG TIME SENIOR PASTOR OF HICKORY HAMMOCK BAPTIST
CHURCH IN MILTON, FLORIDA. AND THAT'S IN THE PANHANDLE OF
FLORIDA NEAR PENSACOLA. ADDITIONALLY, HE IS A CONFERENCE
SPEAKER, EVANGELIST AND CHRISTIAN MEDIA SPECIALIST. AND
IN THAT CAPACITY HE IS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF THE WORLD FAMOUS
PPSIMMONS YOUTUBE MINISTRY AND BIBLICAL APOLOGETICS CHANNEL. HE
IS ALSO A PROMINENT RADIO TALK SHOW HOST. AND AS I SAID BEFORE
HE IS THE AUTHOR OF THE BEST-SELLING BOOK RIGHT HERE,
"THE MAGIC MAN IN THE SKY." IT IS ONE OF THE BEST BOOKS THAT I
HAVE READ IN RECENT YEARS, AND THE MOMENT I FINISHED READING IT
I PICKED UP THE PHONE, CALLED CARL AND INVITED HIM TO APPEAR
ON THIS PROGRAM. CARL, WELCOME TO CHRIST IN PROPHECY. THANK YOU
DAVE. AND IT IS MY HONOR TO BE HERE, THAT YOU FOR PICKING THAT
PHONE UP. WELL IT'S OUR HONOR TO HAVE YOU. CARL I JUST WANT TO
START OFF WITH THE TITLE, THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL TITLE. IT IS.
AND IN FACT IT WAS THE THING THAT ATTRACTED ME TO THE BOOK, I
THOUGHT, "WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THIS ALL ABOUT?" TELL US, WHAT
DOES THE TITLE MEAN, "THE MAGIC MAN IN THE SKY." WHERE IN THE
WORLD DID THAT COME FROM? WELL YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST PERSON TO
ASK ME THAT QUESTION. WELL IT WAS MEANT TO BE THOUGHT
PROVOKING, PROVOCATIVE EVEN IF YOU WILL. BUT THE SKEPTICS,
ATHEISTS, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE TITLE MEANS BECAUSE IT IS AN
ARGUMENT THEY OFTEN USE. AND A LOT OF CHRISTIANS KNOW WHAT THE
TITLE MEANS IN THAT THEY HAVE HEARD IT USED AGAINST THEM. SO
ATHEISTS JUST USE THIS FLIPPANTLY. WELL THEY DO YES. IN
REFERENCE TO GOD. AND IT BASICALLY GOES LIKE THIS, THE
ARGUMENT GOES LIKE THIS, "WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE IN SOME MAGIC
MAN IN THE SKY LIKE YOU DO, WHEN I CAN BELIEVE IN SETTLED
SCIENTIFIC FACT?" OR, "I WOULD RATHER BELIEVE IN SETTLED
SCIENTIFIC FACT THAN SOME MAGIC MAN IN THE SKY." WELL I SPENT A
LOT OF TIME IN MINISTRY AS YOU MENTIONED INTERNET MINISTRY AND
I'VE SPENT YEARS OF DEBATING SKEPTICS, AND ATHEISTS, AND
AGNOSTICS. AND THIS ARGUMENT KEPT COMING UP, AND COMING UP.
FINALLY I SAID, "YOU KNOW I NEED TO ADDRESS THAT SOMEHOW IN A
WORLD REACHING VENUE." AND SO THE LORD PUTS THIS INSPIRATION
OF THIS BOOK IDEA ON MY HEART AND MY BOOK DEALS WITH A WHOLE
LOT MORE THAN JUST THIS ARGUMENT. RIGHT. BUT I START BY
DEALING WITH THIS ARGUMENT AND THEN I.... YOU DON'T LIKE THAT
TITLE DO YOU? I DON'T LIKE THE TITLE. WELL TELL US WHY? WELL
BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE WORD MAGIC MAN IN THE SKY, THE WHOLE
ARGUMENT IS A MISNOMER, IT IS A BIBLICAL MISUNDERSTANDING.
NEITHER THE BIBLE NOR THE CHRISTIAN DECLARES THAT GOD IS
MAGIC OR THAT HE USES MAGIC. RIGHT. NEITHER THE BIBLE NOR THE
CHRISTIAN WHO KNOWS THE BIBLE IN CONTEXT WOULD DECLARE THAT GOD
IS MERELY A MAN. NOW WE KNOW THAT GOD PUT ON FLESH THROUGH
HIS SON JESUS CHRIST PRESENTED HIMSELF AS A MAN. YES. GOD WITH
US, WE UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT. BUT GOD IS NOT JUST A BIG MAN, A
BIGGER FORM OF A MAN FLOATING AROUND OUT THERE IN SPACE
SOMEWHERE. PERFORMING MAGIC. YEAH, PERFORMING MAGIC AND
CERTAINLY HE DOESN'T LIVE IN THE SKY. SO WHAT IT DOES IT CONJURES
UP WHEN A SKEPTIC USES IT, OR AN ATHEIST USES IT, OR AN AGNOSTIC,
THEY ARE CONJURING UP THIS IMAGE, THIS IS THE STRAW MAN
ARGUMENT. THEY ARE CONJURING UP THIS IMAGE OF SOME GRANDFATHERLY
LOOKING FELLOW IN A ROCKING CHAIR WITH A MAGIC WAND FLOATING
AROUND IN THE CLOUDS. WELL ONCE YOU DEVELOP THAT CARICATURE IN
SOMEONE'S MIND ESPECIALLY A CHRISTIAN WHO IS NOT EXPECTING
THAT ATTACK, IT CAN DEBILITATE A CHRISTIAN. LISTEN TO THE TWO
STRAW MEN, "I'D RATHER BELIEVE IN SETTLED SCIENTIFIC FACT,"
WELL THAT'S AN OXYMORON, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANYTHING
SETTLED IN SCIENCE, "YOU KNOW THAN A MAGIC MAN IN THE SKY."
WHICH IS ANOTHER COMPLETE MISNOMER. SO NO I DON'T LIKE THE
TITLE. I LIKE THE TITLE OF THE BOOK AND GOD HAS USED IT, BUT
THE ARGUMENT OF IT IS COMPLETELY UNBIBLICAL. WELL BEFORE WE GET
INTO THE SUBSTANCE OF THE BOOK NATHAN YOU WANTED TO. YEAH I
WANTED TO GREET YOU TO THE SHOW. OUR SHOW SEEMS TO ATTRACT FORMER
POLICEMEN GONE INTO THE MINISTRY. AND I HEAR YOU WERE A
POLICEMAN THAT MADE ME INTERESTED. TELL ME A LITTLE
ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUND, HOW YOU GOT INTO MINISTRY FROM POLICE.
AND ESPECIALLY INTERNET MINISTRY INTERESTS ME AND I'D LIKE TO
HEAR A LITTLE ABOUT THAT. OK, WELL I APPRECIATE IT. I STARTED
YOUNG I WAS FLORIDA'S FIRST 18 YEAR OLD CORRECTIONAL OFFICER
AND THAT WAS WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS, THE
STATE PRISON SYSTEM. TWO YEARS LATER AT THE AGE OF 20 I WAS
JEFFERSON COUNTY FLORIDA'S FIRST 20 YEAR OLD DEPUTY SHERIFF. NOW
THIS WAS BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN EVERYTHING USED TO BE MEASURED
AS AN ADULT FROM 21 AND OVER YEARS AGO. BUT THEY HAD JUST
CHANGED THE LAW ABOUT THE TIME I TURNED 18. YOU COULD ARREST
PEOPLE, BUT YOU COULDN'T DRINK. WELL THAT'S RIGHT. YOU COULD GO
TO WAR, BUT YOU COULDN'T, YEAH. SO BUT THEY HAD CHANGED THE LAW
AND I WAS JUST TURNING 18 AT THE TIME AND WAS VERY MUCH
FASCINATED BY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT FIELD AND CAREER. SO
ANYWAY I APPLIED, IT'S A LONG STORY, BUT I BECAME FLORIDA'S
FIRST 18 YEAR OLD CORRECTIONAL OFFICER THEN JEFFERSON'S COUNTY
FIRST 20 YEAR OLD DEPUTY SHERIFF SWORN, PATROL OFFICER. OH, WOW.
AND THEN I WORKED FOR THEM FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND I WORKED FOR
LEON COUNTY WHICH IS THE CAPITAL OF FLORIDA AND WORKED FOR THEM.
SO I SPENT 10 YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, SIX OR SEVEN YEARS
AS A SWORN OFFICER AS A CRIMINAL PATROL OFFICER, AND THEN A FEW
YEARS DOING SOME OF MY OWN CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS. BUT
YOUR HEART WAS IN MINISTRY ALL THAT TIME? WELL NOT ALL THAT
TIME IN MINISTRY. NOW I WAS A CHRISTIAN, I WAS SAVED AT THE
AGE OF 16 SO I WAS A CHRISTIAN DURING THAT TIME AND I WAS
MARRIED. BUT IN MY LATE 20'S GOD REALLY BEGAN TO IMPRESS UPON MY
HEART A CALL TO FULL-TIME MINISTRY. NOW I GOT TO TELL YOU,
I'M A LITTLE BIT ASHAMED OF THIS PART OF MY TESTIMONY. DO YOU
KNOW THAT IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE TO BE IN LOVE WITH THE
LORD, BE DOING THE WORK OF THE LORD, I MEAN I WAS IN CHURCH, I
WAS TEACHING SUNDAY SCHOOL AND STILL BE RUNNING FROM THE LORD?
I THINK OF A MAN NAMED JONAH, IN OTHER WORDS I WAS HAPPY IN LAW
ENFORCEMENT, I WAS DOING WELL I WAS ADVANCING IN MY CAREER. MY
COLLEGE EDUCATION WAS IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE, I GRADUATED
FROM FLORIDA STATE IN CRIMINOLOGY. EVERYTHING WAS
GEARED TOWARDS THAT, AND GOD MESSED UP MY LIFE,
TONGUE-IN-CHEEK, BY INTERFERING WITH MY HAPPINESS AND CALLING ME
INTO FULL-TIME MINISTRY. THE BOTTOM LINE IS I RAN FROM THAT
CALLING FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. I'M ASHAMED OF THAT NOW BECAUSE
GOD HAS SO BLESSED MY MINISTRY AND MY LIFE. BUT SO I FINALLY
SURRENDERED FULLY TO GOD'S CALLING ON MY LIFE AND THEN
BEGAN MY JOURNEY WITH THE LORD IN FULL-TIME MINISTRY. BUT I
WENT THROUGH ALL OF THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE ALWAYS ASK ME, "HOW DID
YOU GO FROM BEING A COP TO A PREACHER?" AND THE STORY IS KIND
OF COMPLEX. I DIDN'T JUST GET UP ONE DAY AND SAY, "YOU KNOW WHAT
I'M TIRED OF BEING A COP, I THINK I WANT TO BE A PREACHER."
NO, NO, NO, I LOVED BEING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. I DID NOT WANT TO
BE A PREACHER. WE'VE HAD DON MCGEE AND JEFF SEIF ON THIS SHOW
AND EACH TIME THEY WERE ALSO POLICEMEN WHO WENT INTO
MINISTRY. SO THEY HAVE SIMILAR TESTIMONY? SIMILAR YES, RAN FROM
THE LORD BUT THEY TOOK MINISTRY. BUT SO NOW YOU DO ALL INTERNET
ON TOP OF THE PASTORING? AND RADIO TOO? WELL MY MINISTRY IS
MULTIFACETED. FIRST AND FOREMOST I AM THE SENIOR PASTOR AT
HICKORY HAMMOCK BAPTIST CHURCH, A BAPTIST CHURCH IN NORTHWEST
FLORIDA, I'VE BEEN THERE 26, 27 YEARS NOW. AND BUT OUT OF THAT
HAS GROWN A VERY LARGE RADIO MINISTRY, I BROADCAST SEVERAL
PROGRAMS ON A... AND THESE PROGRAMS DEAL WITH CURRENT
ISSUES RIGHT? YES, WELL ACTUALLY... FROM A BIBLICAL
VIEWPOINT. YES, I'VE GOT SEVERAL PROGRAMS. ONE IS STRICTLY
BIBLICAL CALLED, "ASK THE PREACHER." BUT ANOTHER ONE THAT
I HAVE IS CALLED, "FREEDOM FRIDAY WITH CARL GALLUPS." SO
ARE ANY OF THOSE PROGRAMS AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET? YES
THEY ARE. THEY CAN ALL BE ACCESSED, THE EASIEST WAY IS TO
GO TO CARLGALLUPS.COM AND ON THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER IT SAYS
LISTEN LIVE, CLICK THERE ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT ME AND MY
MINISTRY AND RADIO PROGRAMS EVERYTHING AT CARLGALLUPS.COM.
GREAT.
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WELCOME BACK TO CHRIST IN PROPHECY AND OUR DISCUSSION WITH
CARL GALLUPS THE AUTHOR OF A FASCINATING BOOK CALLED, "THE
MAGIC MAN IN THE SKY." CARL, YOU BEGAN YOUR BOOK BY CONTRASTING
THE SECULAR WORLDVIEW WITH THE BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW. TELL US HOW
WOULD DEFINE THE SECULAR WORLDVIEW? WELL, THANK YOU DAVE
THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW WORLDVIEWS ARE EXTREMELY
IMPORTANT, WORLDVIEW IS JUST THE WAY THAT YOU FILTER INFORMATION
OF LIFE. WE MAKE ALL OF OUR DECISIONS ABOUT LIFE ON OUR
WORLDVIEWS; WHO WE ARE GOING TO MARRY, WHAT KIND OF JOB WE ARE
GOING TO HAVE, HOW WE ARE GOING TO LIVE, ETCETERA. SO THE
SECULAR WORLDVIEW IS TOTALLY MAN CENTERED THERE IS NO ROOM FOR
GOD, INTELLIGENT DESIGNER. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR CREATION. IT IS
ALL ABOUT ME. YEAH, IT IS ABOUT MAN. THE SECULAR WORLDVIEW
FOCUSES ON MAN, SO THAT'S THE WORLDVIEW OF THE ATHEIST FOR
EXAMPLE. IT IS THE WORLDVIEW OF THE AGNOSTIC, AND MOST AGNOSTICS
ACTUALLY LIVE AS ATHEISTS, THEY CALL THEMSELVES AGNOSTICS. AND
THE WORLDVIEW OF THE ONE WHO HOLDS TO EVOLUTION PROPOSITION
AS THE ANSWER TO LIFE. I WOULD SAY IT IS THE WORLDVIEW OF THE
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES TODAY. WHETHER THEY KNOW
IT OR NOT. THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WOULD DISAGREE WITH
YOU, AND SAY, "I DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF WORLDVIEW." BUT THEY
LIVE AS THEY REALLY DO HAVE A SECULAR WORLDVIEW. I WOULD AGREE
WITH YOU. GO AHEAD NATHAN. OH, SINCE HE WAS TELLING US THE
SECULAR WORLDVIEW AND YOU TALKED ABOUT A RELIGIOUS WORLDVIEW,
THEN YOU TALKED ABOUT A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW. MOST PEOPLE THINK
THEY HAVE A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW, BUT THEY REALLY HAVE A
SECULARIST'S WORLDVIEW. MAYBE YOU COULD HELP PEOPLE SEE IF
THEY HAVE THE BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW BY TELLING US WHAT ONE IS. WELL
THANK YOU. WELL YOU KNOW I WAS SHARING WITH DAVE EARLIER, I'VE
BEEN IN THE MINISTRY A LONG TIME AND THE BEST ILLUSTRATION OF
THIS, I'VE TOLD FOLKS, "YOU KNOW I HAVE BEEN IN THE MINISTRY A
LONG TIME I'VE DONE MANY, MANY FUNERALS, SCORES AND SCORES OF
FUNERALS." AND I SAY THIS A LITTLE TONGUE-IN-CHEEK BUT IT
ILLUSTRATES THIS I SAY, "YOU KNOW IN ALL MY YEARS IN MINISTRY
I'VE NEVER DONE THE FUNERAL OF A LOST PERSON." AND PEOPLE LOOK AT
ME AND THEY SAY, "WHAT?" AND I SAY WHAT I MEAN IS THIS, "I CAN
PREACH FROM THE PULPIT THAT THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD, AND
JESUS IS LORD, THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY OF SALVATION. SALVATION IS
BY GOD'S GRACE." BY THE WAY THAT'S THE BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW;
THAT THE BIBLE IS THE INERRANT, INFALLIBLE, FINAL WORD OF GOD.
JESUS IS LORD AND SAVIOR, HE IS GOD WITH US, HE IS THE ONLY WAY
TO SALVATION. AND SALVATION IS BY GOD'S GRACE ALONE. SO I
PREACH THAT AND AMEN, AMEN, AMEN AND THEN BUT SOMEBODY DIES, A
LOVED ONE, A RELATIVE, OR A FRIEND, AND THEY'LL SAY
SOMETHING FROM TIME TO TIME SOMEBODY WILL SAY SOMETHING
LIKE, "PASTOR YOU KNOW THIS GUY DIDN'T BELIEVE IN ALL THAT JESUS
STUFF. AND HE VERY SELDOM CAME TO CHURCH, BUT I KNOW HE IS A
GOOD PERSON SO I KNOW HE'S IN HEAVEN." AND SO THAT'S WHAT I
MEAN BY... PREACHED THE FUNERAL... I'VE NEVER HAD
ANYBODY COME TO ME AND SAY, "YOU KNOW WHAT HE WAS LOST PREACHER."
YOU KNOW. THAT IS FUNNY AND SAD AT THE SAME TIME. WELL IT IS, IT
IS AND THAT'S THE ILLUSTRATION THAT I USE TO SHOW THE
DIFFERENCE OF PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY HAVE A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW,
BUT THEN WHEN LIFE REALLY YOU KNOW COMES DOWN TO THE BOTTOM
LINE THEY THINK A SECULAR WORLDVIEW. AND OF COURSE THAT
SECULAR WORLDVIEW THAT I JUST DESCRIBED, YOU KNOW IS THE
HERESY OF UNIVERSALISM, ALL DOGS EVENTUALLY GO TO HEAVEN,
REGARDLESS. AMEN, JESUS IS THE WAY, JESUS IS THE WAY. BUT NOW
FOR MY FRIEND, JUST BECAUSE HE WAS A GOOD PERSON, SO. AND THAT
IS THE RELIGIOUS WORLDVIEW THE THIRD VIEW IN YOUR BOOK? WELL
THE THIRD VIEW I TRY TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN A DISTINCTLY
CONTEXTUAL, BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW AS JUST OPPOSED TO ALL OF THIS
OTHER RELIGIOSITY IN THE WORLD, BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY RELIGIOUS
VIEWS OF LIFE. MAN'S SEARCH FOR GOD. YEAH, YEAH. WELL SATAN IS
A RELIGIOUS BEING; I MEAN LET'S JUST DEAL WITH IT, SO HE IS THE
INVENTOR OF RELIGIONS. YES. BUT YET THERE IS A RELATIONSHIP WITH
OUR CREATOR, A RELATIONSHIP THAT COMES THROUGH A BORN AGAIN
EXPERIENCE IN OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST. BUT
EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO
WOULD SAY, "I'M NOT A SECULARIST. I BELIEVE THERE IS
GOD OR GODS. I BELIEVE THERE IS A CREATOR, I BELIEVE THERE IS AN
INTELLIGENCE." AND THEN THEY GET OFF INTO ALL THIS ESOTERICAL
SPIRITUAL STUFF. THAT'S THE RELIGIOUS WORLDVIEW, AND
BILLIONS OF PEOPLE LIVE BY A RELIGIOUS WORLDVIEW. WHAT'S SO
DISTURBING TO ME IS THAT WE HAVE ORGANIZATIONS IN AMERICA TODAY
THAT SPECIALIZE IN TAKING RELIGIOUS POLLS. AND THESE POLLS
ARE SHOWING THAT PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE EVANGELICALS WILL
ANSWER 51% OR 52% SAYING THERE ARE DIFFERENT ROADS TO GOD. YES.
JESUS SINNED, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S LIKE THEY KNOW
NOTHING ABOUT THE BIBLE AND THEY DO NOT HAVE A BIBLICAL
WORLDVIEW. THAT'S RIGHT. NO, YOU NAILED IT DAVE. WHAT'S THE
PROBLEM HERE? WELL THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS JUST OUR SIN NATURE
AND A REFUSAL TO DEAL WITH THE TRUTH, THE TRUE REVELATION OF
GOD'S WORD. SOME OF THE PROBLEM COMES FROM PULPITS AND THE
WATERED DOWN PREACHING OF THE WORD. I WAS GOING TO SAY THERE'S
A FAMINE OF THE WORD TODAY. RIGHT. AND PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING
TAUGHT THE WORD, THEY ARE NOT TAUGHT THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE
FAITH. RIGHT, AND THEN SOME OF THE PROBLEM COMES FROM DYNAMIC
CONTEXTUAL BIBLICAL PREACHING FROM THE PULPIT, BUT PEOPLE
SITTING IN THE PEW WHO ARE JUST NOT PROCESSING IT THEN AND DON'T
WANT TO DEAL WITH IT. AND THEY'LL PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT
THEY WANT TO BELIEVE AND HEAR. IT'S HUMAN NATURE. IT'S JUST
SOMETHING THAT WE DEAL WITH. THERE IS A FELLA WHO TAKES A
POLL OF ENTERING FRESHMEN AT WHEATON COLLEGE WHICH IS ONE OF
THE FOREMOST EVANGELICAL COLLEGES IN AMERICA. AND ALL OF
THESE PEOPLE COMING THERE ARE COMING FROM FAMILIES WHERE THEY
HAVE GROWN UP IN CHURCH. RIGHT. AND EVERY YEAR THIS POLL HAS
SHOWN LESS AND LESS KNOWLEDGE OF THE BIBLE. AND THEY'RE NOT
DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, IT IS LIKE NAME ONE OF THE FOUR GOSPELS.
NAME TWO OF THE APOSTLES. YOU KNOW AND THEY CAN'T DO IT. AND
YOU WONDER WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN YOUTH PROGRAMS? WEENIE
ROASTS? HAYRIDES? WATCHING MOVIES, EATING PIZZA? YES, YES,
YES AND YES. NOT AT HIS CHURCH. NO, NO, NO. WELL I'VE JUST DEALT
WITH THIS RECENTLY AND I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO DETAILED HERE,
BUT JUST BEEN VERY DISAPPOINTED RECENTLY IN DEALING WITH A GROUP
OF PEOPLE PUTTING TOGETHER THIS BIG OUT REACH OF YOUTH MINISTRY
AND LISTENING TO THEM TALK ABOUT THEIR BIBLE STUDIES THEY ARE
GOING TO HAVE WITH THE YOUTH. AND WE'VE HAD TO STOP AND
CORRECT THEM AND SAY, "THAT'S NOT A BIBLE STUDY. THAT'S NOT A
STUDY OF GOD'S WORD." BUT PEOPLE AS YOU JUST NAILED IT SO
PERFECTLY A MINUTE AGO, THEY HAVE GOTTEN OFF BASE, OFF TRACK.
THE WORD OF GOD THERE IS A FAMINE FOR TRUTH AND KNOWLEDGE
AND SO, YES YOU ARE RIGHT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SAY, "OH, I COME
FROM A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW." OK, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND THEN
THEY CAN'T TELL YOU. AND OR THEY LIVE AS THOUGH THEY BELIEVE A
SECULAR WORLDVIEW.
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WELCOME BACK TO CHRIST IN PROPHECY AND OUR DISCUSSION WITH
CARL GALLUPS THE AUTHOR OF A VERY INSIGHTFUL BOOK CALLED,
"THE MAGIC MAN IN THE SKY." AND CARL I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU:
SOMETHING IN YOUR BOOK THAT WAS SO DEEP AND IT TALKED ABOUT TWO
REALITIES, A PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL REALITY EXISTING
SIDE-BY-SIDE BUT ONE NOT SEEING THE OTHER. AND ATHEIST ALWAYS
SAY, "WELL THERE CAN'T BE A SPIRITUAL REALM BECAUSE WE WOULD
KNOW IT, WE'D SEE IT." BUT HOW DO YOU REFUTE THAT. YEAH, THANK
YOU. WELL NO THAT IS A VERY, NATHAN, THANK YOU THAT IS A VERY
IMPORTANT CONCEPT AND PRINCIPLE FOR FOLKS TO GRASP. SIMPLY
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE SOMETHING, FEEL SOMETHING, MEASURE
SOMETHING OR SUBJECTIVELY MEASURE IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY
MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST. NOW IT DOES MEAN THAT WE SHOULD
EXAMINE IT TO THE DEPTH OF ANY REASONABLE MEANS POSSIBLE. BUT,
SO THE ATHEISTS WOULD OFTEN MAKE THE ARGUMENT LIKE YOU JUST SAID,
"WELL BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE IT, TOUCH IT, MEASURE IT, FEEL IT,
YOU CAN'T TALK TO GOD STAND ON A HILL, "STRIKE ME DEAD IF YOU'RE
THERE," YET NOTHING HAPPENS, SO THEREFORE GOD DOESN'T EXIST. AND
THE ILLUSTRATION THAT I USE IN MY BOOK, ONE OF THE
ILLUSTRATIONS IS WHAT I CALL THE FISH POND STORY. GREAT STORY.
UNDER THE SURFACE OF A FISH POND THAT IS LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE OF
A 5,000 ACRE RANCH, SAY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. SAY THE FISH POND IS
10 ACRES. UNDER THE SURFACE OF THAT IS AN ENTIRE UNIVERSE OF
REALITY. EVERYTHING THAT LIVES UNDER THE SURFACE OF THAT POND
THAT IS THEIR REALITY, THEY ARE BOUND TO THAT WATERY EXISTENCE.
BEYOND THE SURFACE OF THAT POND IS WHAT YOU AND I KNOW IS A
UNIVERSE OF REALITY, NOT ONLY THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN BUT
THE SOLAR SYSTEM, AND THE UNIVERSE BEYOND. SO THE FISH
LIVING IN THAT POND HAVE NO CONCEPT, THEY HAVE NOT A CLUE OF
THE MAGNIFICENCE OF WHAT LIES BEYOND JUST THE SURFACE OF THAT
WATER. AND THEY HAVE NO CONCEPT OF YOUR LIFE AND THE INTRICACIES
OF YOUR LIFE, HUMAN LIFE, MUCH LESS THE OTHER SEVEN BILLION
PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE PLANET. THEY'VE NEVER SEEN A CITY OR A
SKYSCRAPER OR AN AIRPLANE, OR A TRAIN. THEY MIGHT SEE A SHADOW
ONCE IN A WHILE. WELL AND I WAS GETTING TO THAT POINT. YEAH.
THAT EVERY NOW AND THEN THEY MIGHT SEE A SHADOWY EXISTENCE OF
SOMETHING THAT COMES TO THE EDGE OF THE POND. OF COURSE THE
SCRIPTURE TALKS ABOUT HOW WE SEE THROUGH A GLASS DIMLY. GLASS
DARKLY. YES, YES, YES. SO WE GET GLIMPSES OF GLORY IF YOU WILL.
GOD GIVES US GLIMPSES OF GLORY. BUT UNTIL WE COME OUT OF OUR
FISH POND ENTER INTO THE REALM OF WHAT'S REALLY REAL, SEE, WE
DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO TRULY BE IN THE PRESENCE OF
GOD. ANYMORE THEN A FISH HAS A CLUE WHAT. SEE IF A FISH COULD
SOMEHOW BECOME A MAN AND STEP OUTSIDE THE POND AND LOOK AROUND
AND SAY, "OH MY GOSH I HAD NO IDEA." AND BUT HERE'S THE
ANSWER, IT EXISTED ALL ALONG, ALL AROUND YOU, IN PHYSICAL
REALITY, FLESH AND BLOOD REALITY. SEE A FISH IS FLESH AND
BLOOD. NOW IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF FLESH, BUT ITS FLESH AND
BLOOD, IT'S PHYSICAL. WE'RE PHYSICAL WE'RE FLESH AND BLOOD.
BUT TWO PHYSICAL REALITIES EXIST SIDE-BY-SIDE, ONE IS TOTALLY
UNAWARE OF THE OTHER. IN FACT NOT ONLY ARE THEY UNAWARE BUT
THEY CANNOT ENTER INTO OUR REALITY AND EXIST IN IT. AND I
BELIEVE THAT'S AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE DEEP SPIRITUAL TRUTH THAT
JESUS WAS TRYING TO REVEAL TO US. LOOK WHEN YOU PASS FROM THIS
EXISTENCE YOU'RE NOT JUST SOME LITTLE FLUFF OF SPIRIT FLOATING
ON A CLOUD PLAYING A HARP FOREVER. YOU ENTER INTO A
PHYSICAL REALITY, I AM GOING TO USE THE WORD PHYSICAL, BUT IT IS
GLORIFIED LIKE WHEN JESUS CAME OUT OF THE TOMB, HE WAS
PHYSICAL, BUT HE WAS GLORIFIED. WHEN YOU ENTER INTO REALITY, IN
FACT IT IS THE ULTIMATE REALITY, THE PRESENCE OF GOD WE ARE JUST
IN A FISH POND, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY OUR LIMITATIONS, WE ARE
SURROUNDED BY THE SURFACE, WE ARE IN A WATERY EXISTENCE AND WE
DON'T EVEN KNOW IT. BUT WHEN WE LEAVE THIS EXISTENCE WE ARE LIKE
A FISH THAT BECOMES A MAN AND WE LOOK AND THERE IS THIS ENDLESS
ARRAY AND VASTNESS OF THE UNIVERSE THAT GOD SAYS, "THIS IS
MINE. NOW IT'S YOURS BECAUSE OF YOUR FAITH IN MY SON JESUS
CHRIST." AND WE ENTER FROM ONE REALITY TO ANOTHER REALITY. IF
YOU WILL ONE DIMENSION OF REALITY TO ANOTHER DIMENSION OF
REALITY. IN THE SAME WAY THE FISH POND EXISTS IN THAT
DIMENSION AND ITS REAL, AND ALL AROUND IT IS ANOTHER DIMENSION
AND IT'S REAL, BUT IT IS THE ULTIMATE REALITY. I LOVE YOUR
FISH POND STORY. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. THE MOMENT I READ
IT I THOUGHT, "WELL YOU KNOW EQUIVALENT TO THAT IS THE FACT
THAT WE AS CHRISTIANS KNOW THAT THERE IS A REALITY AROUND US
THAT CANNOT NORMALLY BE PERCEIVED WITH THE SENSES, IT'S
THE REALITY OF THE SUPERNATURAL. ABSOLUTELY. OF DEMONS, OF
ANGELS, OF GOD INTERVENING IN HISTORY. ABSOLUTELY. AND YOU
CAN'T NORMALLY PERCEIVE THAT, BUT IN THE BIBLE WE ARE TOLD
FROM TIME TO TIME EVEN ANGELS CAN TAKE ON A BODILY FORM AND
YOU MAY ENTERTAIN ANGELS UNAWARE. BUT THEN I GOT TO
THINKING FURTHER AND I THOUGHT, "CAN I THINK OF A SITUATION
WHERE HUMAN BEINGS HAVE LIVED TOGETHER WITH ANOTHER REALITY
AND NOT KNOW IT?" AND IT SUDDENLY OCCURRED TO ME THE GERM
THEORY OF DISEASE WAS NOT EVEN DISCOVERED UNTIL THE MID-1800'S.
PERFECT EXAMPLE. THERE WAS A WHOLE MICRO-BIOLOGICAL WORLD
THAT HAS ALWAYS EXISTED AROUND US, AND IN US THAT WE KNOW
NOTHING ABOUT. PERFECT EXAMPLE, YEAH. THE WHOLE FIELD OF QUANTUM
SCIENCE, QUANTUM MECHANICS. ATOMS, AND YEAH. OH, BOY. OH,
YEAH THAT IS FASCINATING. NOW YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE TWILIGHT
ZONE. YEAH, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN MY BOOK TOO
BECAUSE IT SO ILLUSTRATES, YOU JUST NAILED IT. THERE ARE
REALITIES THAT EXIST ALL AROUND US THAT WE CAN'T SEE, YOU KNOW.
NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN A QUANTUM PARTICLE WITH THEIR EYE. WE SEE
THE EFFECTS, WE CAN MEASURE IT THROUGH VARIOUS ELECTRONIC
MEANS. BUT IT'S THERE, WE KNOW IT'S THERE FOR EXAMPLE. BUT
ANOTHER EXAMPLE BACK TO THE FISH POND STORY, A MAN CAN PUT ON A
SCUBA SUIT AND ENTER INTO THEIR WORLD. AND A FISH CAN SAY, "YOU
KNOW, OK, NOW I KNOW WHAT A MAN IS." BUT REALLY THEY DON'T, THEY
REALLY DON'T. THEY'VE SEEN A MAN IN A WAY THAT COULD EXIST IN
THEIR REALM BUT THEY REALLY STILL KNOW NOTHING ABOUT
HUMANITY. AND IN THE SAME WAY GOD PUT ON FLESH, GOD WITH US IN
THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST WE SAW GOD IN THE FLESH, BUT WE
STILL HAVE NO CONCEPT OF THE TOTAL REALITY OF WHO GOD IS. AND
THE WORD OF GOD SAYS BUT WHEN WE'RE WITH HIM WE WILL KNOW HIM
AS HE IS, WHEN WE SEE HIM FACE TO FACE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
AMEN. IN OTHER WORDS GOD PUT ON THE SCUBA DIVING SUIT, CAME INTO
OUR WORLD SO WE COULD GET A FEEL FOR HIM. BUT HIS ULTIMATE GLORY
WE HAVE YET TO SEE, UNTIL WE ARE OUT OF THE FISH POND AND WITH
HIM. WELL ON PAGE 207 OF YOUR BOOK YOU EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT
SCIENCE HAS TO ADMIT THAT IT HAS PROVED THAT THERE ARE REALITIES
THAT CAN EXIST SIDE-BY-SIDE AND BE UNAWARE OF EACH OTHER. THAT'S
RIGHT. EVEN SCIENCE HAS TO ADMIT IT. EVEN SCIENCE HAS TO ADMIT
THAT, YEAH. AND I WAS THINKING SPECIFICALLY AGAIN OF THE
MICROBIAL WORLD AND THEN THE WORLD OF QUANTUM MECHANICS, AND
QUANTUM THEORY. YOU KNOW WE BENEFIT FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING
OF QUANTUM MECHANICS EVERYTHING FROM LASERS TO MRI TECHNOLOGY TO
NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY, BUT THERE IS SO MUCH ABOUT IT WE DON'T KNOW,
AND SO MUCH ABOUT IT WE CAN'T SEE AND HAVEN'T SEEN AND STILL
THEORIZE ABOUT. BUT EVEN SCIENCE HAS TO ADMIT THAT THERE IS A
WORLD OF REALITY THAT IS BEYOND OUR COMPREHENSION OF EXPLANATION
AND BEYOND OUR ABILITY TO SEEYET IT EXISTS AND WE KNOW IT EXISTS.
HAVE YOU HAD A PERSONAL OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE SOME OF
THESE ARGUMENTS WITH ATHEISTS OF AGNOSTICS AND SEE HOW THEY
RESPOND? FOR YEARS BEFORE I WROTE THE BOOK, THAT IS WHY I
FINALLY WROTE THE BOOK. HOW DO THEY NORMALLY RESPOND? YEAH,
WELL YOU KNOW WHEN THEY'RE HONEST AND WHEN WE HAVE DECENT
CONVERSATIONS IT'S PRETTY MIND BLOWING TO THEM. IN FACT WE HAVE
LED MANY TO THE LORD, TO A SAVING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE
LORD. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE EXCITING THINGS ABOUT INTERNET
TECHNOLOGY AND INTERNET MINISTRY NOW IS THAT YOU CAN REACH OUT TO
THE WORLD. AND YOU CAN MINISTRY TO PEOPLE IN A WAY THAT'S A
LITTLE LESS INTIMIDATING, A LITTLE LESS THREATENING BECAUSE
YOU CAN DO IT BY E-MAIL, YOU CAN DO IT IN BLOGS, AND THOSE KINDS
OF THINGS. AND EVERY WEEK PEOPLE COME OUT OF ATHEISM, THEY COME
OUT OF THIS EVOLUTIONISTIC PHILOSOPHY OF LIFE AND COME TO
JESUS CHRIST. IN FACT YOU HAVE SOME TESTIMONIES DON'T YOU ABOUT
THE IMPACT OF THE BOOK UPON ATHEISTS AND AGNOSTICS AND
PEOPLE JUST TOTALLY CONFUSED AND DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY BELIEVE?
YES, YES THEY ARE REALLY BEGINNING TO POUR IN THIS
ANTIDOTAL UNDERSTANDINGS OF HOW GOD IS USING THE BOOK AND I'M
OVERWHELMED. I JUST GIVE HIM ALL THE PRAISE IN FULL. WELL THE
BOOK IS WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT IS EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
WELL THANK YOU.
WOULDN'T YOU SAY SO NATHAN, IT JUST FLOWS AND IT'S EASY TO
UNDERSTAND? YEAH IT FLOWED VERY WELL. THANK YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE
TO BE A PHYSICIST OR A SCIENTIST OR WHATEVER. AND THE ARGUMENTS
ARE SO LOGICAL THAT'S THE POINT, THAT YOU CAN'T THINK OF A WAY TO
REFUTE THEM. AND YOU START WITH A STORY TOO IN THE BEGINNING OF
A CHRISTIAN AND A NON-CHRISTIAN AND HOW THE NON-CHRISTIAN BLOWS
THE CHRISTIAN OUT OF THE WATER. TO ME THAT CONNECTED ME TO THE
BOOK RIGHT THERE BECAUSE I RECOGNIZED ALL THOSE ARGUMENTS.
AND THEN YOU ANSWER ALL THOSE ARGUMENTS SO IT IS LIKE A
SELF-HELP TOOL FOR ANY CHRISTIAN WHO WANTS TO SHARE THEIR FAITH.
THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. YOU KNOW I WROTE THE BOOK AND THE
FIRST CHAPTER I DIDN'T HAVE IN IT BETWEEN CHRISTOPHER AND
CROWLEY, I DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN THERE. THIS CONVERSATION THERE.
NO, SO EVERYTHING AFTER THAT I HAD AND THEN IT JUST WAS FROM
GOD, IT WAS JUST THIS INSPIRATION. WHY DON'T I START
THE BOOK WITH A FICTITIOUS CONVERSATION BETWEEN A CHRISTIAN
AND AN ATHEIST AND LET THE ATHEIST DUMP ALL OF HIS
ARGUMENTS AND DESTROY THE CHRISTIAN. SO THE FIRST CHAPTER
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. I KNOW. YEAH. I THOUGHT, MAN I DON'T
LIKE THIS, I HAVE TO KEEP GOING. WELL AND IT'S MEANT TO DRAW YOU
IN BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN YOU'RE THINKING, "HOW DOES THE
AUTHOR GET OUT OF THIS?" AND IF YOU'RE AN ATHEIST YOUR THINKING,
"I LIKE THIS BOOK." YOU KNOW AND THEN THEIR THINKING, "I WONDER
WHAT KIND OF ARGUMENT, I MEAN HE'S MADE ALL OF MY ARGUMENTS. I
WONDER HOW HE DEALS WITH THIS." SO IT SERVED ITS PURPOSE AND GOD
HAS BLESSED IT. I THINK IT WAS AN INSPIRATION, I THINK IT WAS
INSPIRED BY GOD TO PUT THAT FIRST CHAPTER THERE. NOW YOU'RE
WRITING A BOOK RIGHT NOW AREN'T YOU? I AM. AND WHAT IS IT
TITLED? I AM NOT ALLOWED TO GIVE THE TITLE OUT YET. THAT'S FINE.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS A JUXTAPOSITION OF; THE THEME OF
IT IS BIBLICAL TRUTHS VERSUS POLITICAL AGENDAS AND CULTURAL
MYTHS. OH. IN OTHER WORDS YOU JUST TAKE TOPICS OF THE WORLD
TODAY, YOU KNOW HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE, ABORTION. EVOLUTION IS
IT SETTLED SCIENCE? GUN CONTROL, I MEAN ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT
IMPACT OUR LIVES AND DECISIONS WE MAKE. AND LEGISLATURES ARE
MAKING LAWS, WORLD GOVERNMENT ARE DEALING WITH ALL OF THESE
THINGS. AND I TAKE EVERY ONE OF THOSE AND I COMPARE IT TO GOD'S
WORD. WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD REALLY SAY? WHAT WOULD JESUS
SAY? WHAT WOULD JESUS DO? WHAT'S THE TRUTH? IS THERE AN AGENDA
HERE? HOW DO THESE THINGS TIE TOGETHER? WHAT'S THE SPIRITUAL
AGENDA? SO I TIE ALL OF THIS TOGETHER AND IT'S GOING TO BE MY
NEXT BOOK. WHAT ABOUT THE ISSUE... BY THE WAY CHRISTOPHER
AND CROWLEY ARE GOING TO SHOW BACK UP IN THIS BOOK. ARE THEY?
OH, GOOD. YEAH, THEY ARE GOING TO SHOW UP AGAIN. YOU KNOW THE
ISSUE OF TRUTH, YOU KNOW THE WORLD TODAY SAYS THERE IS NO
SUCH THING AS ABSOLUTE TRUTH WHICH IN ITSELF IS AN ABSOLUTE
STATEMENT. IT IS, ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN? YEAH, WELL
THAT'S A CLASSIC ARGUMENT WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS TO ME, "I DON'T
BELIEVE IN ABSOLUTE TRUTH." I SAY, "REALLY ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY
CERTAIN?" AND THEN YOU GOT THEM. BUT THERE IS A REAL REJECTION OF
THAT TODAY. WELL THERE HAS TO BE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COME FROM A
SECULAR WORLDVIEW. YES, EVERY THINGS RELATIVE YOU KNOW. YOU
HAVE YOUR TRUTH. I HAVE MY TRUTH. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S
RIGHT. THERE IS NO ETERNAL CONSEQUENCES. THERE'S NO
ACCOUNTABILITY. AND WE MUST BE TOLERANT TOWARD EACH OTHER. OH,
YES EXCEPT THEY CAN'T BE TOLERANT OF US WITH A BIBLICAL
FAITH. OTHER THAN A CHRISTIAN WORLDVIEW. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT THE
ARGUMENT ABOUT ABSOLUTE MORALITY, SEE THAT'S WHAT IT ALL
COMES DOWN TO GUYS, AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT; IS THAT THEY'VE GOT,
THAT IS WHAT EVOLUTION IS ABOUT. EVOLUTION IS NOT ABOUT SCIENCE.
IT IS ABOUT GETTING RID OF GOD SO THAT I CAN LIVE LIKE I WANT
TO LIVE. AND SO WHEN THEY SAY THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS
ABSOLUTE MORALITY, HERE'S MY ILLUSTRATION: I SAY TO THEM,
"REALLY? TELL ME WHERE I CAN GO IN THE WORLD TONIGHT BREAK INTO
A MAN'S HOUSE, KILL HIS CHILDREN, *** HIS WIFE, BURN
HIS HOUSE DOWN, STEAL EVERYTHING HE'S GOT, AND WALK OUT AND THE
MAN LOOKS AT ME AND SAYS, 'YOU KNOW IT'S OK FOR YOU TO DO
THAT.'" AND THEN THEY SAY, "WELL THERE'S NO SUCH THING." I SAY,
"RIGHT, YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THAT IS ABSOLUTE MORALITY. IT'S
ABSOLUTELY WRONG IN ABSOLUTELY EVERY PLACE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD,
IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN, IT ALWAYS WILL BE. ABSOLUTE MORALITY DOES
EXIST. NOW EXPLAIN TO ME HOW EVOLUTION CAME UP WITH THAT."
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TO BE BACK WITH US NEXT WEEK WHEN WE WILL DISCUSS THE
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AND NATHAN JONES SAYING, "LOOK UP, BE WATCHFUL FOR OUR
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