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IT'S AT 1982CHEVELLE BLANC. DON'T GET USED TO IT.
BLANC. DON'T GET USED TO IT. COMING UP ON "ART
DON'T GET USED TO IT. COMING UP ON "ART TASTING".
COMING UP ON "ART TASTING". IT'S A PREMIUM VINTAGE
TASTING". IT'S A PREMIUM VINTAGE BEING POURED AS JULIAN
IT'S A PREMIUM VINTAGE BEING POURED AS JULIAN COMPARES NOTES WITH ALAN
BEING POURED AS JULIAN COMPARES NOTES WITH ALAN HIRSCHFIELD.
COMPARES NOTES WITH ALAN HIRSCHFIELD. I GOT IMMERSED IN MY
HIRSCHFIELD. I GOT IMMERSED IN MY FRENCH LANGUAGE SKILLS,
I GOT IMMERSED IN MY FRENCH LANGUAGE SKILLS, GROWING UP IN OKLAHOMA.
FRENCH LANGUAGE SKILLS, GROWING UP IN OKLAHOMA. [LAUGHTER]
GROWING UP IN OKLAHOMA. [LAUGHTER] MORTON SOSLAND ON THE JOYS
[LAUGHTER] MORTON SOSLAND ON THE JOYS HE'S FOUND COLLECTING
MORTON SOSLAND ON THE JOYS HE'S FOUND COLLECTING AMERICAN INDAND ART.
HE'S FOUND COLLECTING AMERICAN INDAND ART. LET'S TASTE.
AMERICAN INDAND ART. LET'S TASTE. GOOD IDEA.
LET'S TASTE. GOOD IDEA. WE'LL SAVE SOME FOR YOU!
GOOD IDEA. WE'LL SAVE SOME FOR YOU!
WE'LL SAVE SOME FOR YOU! Hello, and welcome to our
Hello, and welcome to our show. I'm Julian
Hello, and welcome to our show. I'm Julian Zugazagoitia. Like food and
show. I'm Julian Zugazagoitia. Like food and drink, great art is full of
Zugazagoitia. Like food and drink, great art is full of flavors than can excite our
drink, great art is full of flavors than can excite our senses. Each week, I get the
flavors than can excite our senses. Each week, I get the pleasure of sharing my
senses. Each week, I get the pleasure of sharing my passion for it with others
pleasure of sharing my passion for it with others who feel the same way. On
passion for it with others who feel the same way. On this edition of our show, the
who feel the same way. On this edition of our show, the topic is Native American
this edition of our show, the topic is Native American art-- through the eyes of
topic is Native American art-- through the eyes of people who collect it. Alan
art-- through the eyes of people who collect it. Alan Hirschfield has a reputation
people who collect it. Alan Hirschfield has a reputation for finding great pieces
Hirschfield has a reputation for finding great pieces which will stand the test of
for finding great pieces which will stand the test of time, and a beautiful new
which will stand the test of time, and a beautiful new book that chronicles his
time, and a beautiful new book that chronicles his collection. Here in Kansas
book that chronicles his collection. Here in Kansas City, Morton Sosland, and his
collection. Here in Kansas City, Morton Sosland, and his wife Estelle, have devoted
City, Morton Sosland, and his wife Estelle, have devoted much of their lives to
wife Estelle, have devoted much of their lives to acquiring American Indian
much of their lives to acquiring American Indian art, some of which they've
acquiring American Indian art, some of which they've generously donated to the
art, some of which they've generously donated to the Nelson-Atkins Museum.
generously donated to the Nelson-Atkins Museum. But let's start with Mr.
Nelson-Atkins Museum. But let's start with Mr. Hirschfield. For years he
But let's start with Mr. Hirschfield. For years he ran an entertainment empire--
Hirschfield. For years he ran an entertainment empire-- as the man in charge of music
ran an entertainment empire-- as the man in charge of music and movies for Warner
as the man in charge of music and movies for Warner Brothers. Frank Sinatra sang
and movies for Warner Brothers. Frank Sinatra sang at his wedding! Eventually,
Brothers. Frank Sinatra sang at his wedding! Eventually, Alan's love affair with art
at his wedding! Eventually, Alan's love affair with art made by Native Americans
Alan's love affair with art made by Native Americans helped him forge a great
made by Native Americans helped him forge a great relationship with our own
helped him forge a great relationship with our own curator of American Indian
relationship with our own curator of American Indian art, *** Torrance. We
curator of American Indian art, *** Torrance. We welcomed Alan to the stage of
art, *** Torrance. We welcomed Alan to the stage of Atkins Auditorium in December
welcomed Alan to the stage of Atkins Auditorium in December of 2012.
Atkins Auditorium in December of 2012. SO YOU START BUILDING A
of 2012. SO YOU START BUILDING A HOME, THEN THIS IS THE HOME
SO YOU START BUILDING A HOME, THEN THIS IS THE HOME THAT THEY HAVE NOW IN
HOME, THEN THIS IS THE HOME THAT THEY HAVE NOW IN JACKSON, WYOMING, IT'S A WORK
THAT THEY HAVE NOW IN JACKSON, WYOMING, IT'S A WORK OF ART IN WHICH THE ART, THE
JACKSON, WYOMING, IT'S A WORK OF ART IN WHICH THE ART, THE ARCHITECTURE IS INTEGRATED.
OF ART IN WHICH THE ART, THE ARCHITECTURE IS INTEGRATED. YOU WERE BUILDING IT BEFORE
ARCHITECTURE IS INTEGRATED. YOU WERE BUILDING IT BEFORE YOU HAD MANY OF THESE
YOU WERE BUILDING IT BEFORE YOU HAD MANY OF THESE INCREDIBLE PIECES.
YOU HAD MANY OF THESE INCREDIBLE PIECES. THAT'S CORRECT.
INCREDIBLE PIECES. THAT'S CORRECT. WHEN YOU WERE BUILDING,
THAT'S CORRECT. WHEN YOU WERE BUILDING, ALSO, YOU WANTED A PLACE THAT
WHEN YOU WERE BUILDING, ALSO, YOU WANTED A PLACE THAT HAD THAT CONNECTION, THAT
ALSO, YOU WANTED A PLACE THAT HAD THAT CONNECTION, THAT SENSE OF PLACE, A SENSE THE
HAD THAT CONNECTION, THAT SENSE OF PLACE, A SENSE THE BIRTH, AND START DIGGING AND
SENSE OF PLACE, A SENSE THE BIRTH, AND START DIGGING AND WHAT DID YOU FIND?
BIRTH, AND START DIGGING AND WHAT DID YOU FIND? WE HAD FOUND -- CLEARLY,
WHAT DID YOU FIND? WE HAD FOUND -- CLEARLY, OUR BUILDING SITE WAS ON AN
WE HAD FOUND -- CLEARLY, OUR BUILDING SITE WAS ON AN ENCAMPMENT THAT WAS USED BY
OUR BUILDING SITE WAS ON AN ENCAMPMENT THAT WAS USED BY THE FUR TRADERS, BY THE
ENCAMPMENT THAT WAS USED BY THE FUR TRADERS, BY THE INDIANS, SO WE FELT, AND
THE FUR TRADERS, BY THE INDIANS, SO WE FELT, AND ESPECIALLY MY WIFE, THAT WE
INDIANS, SO WE FELT, AND ESPECIALLY MY WIFE, THAT WE WERE DESTINED TO HAVE THE
ESPECIALLY MY WIFE, THAT WE WERE DESTINED TO HAVE THE HOUSE.
WERE DESTINED TO HAVE THE HOUSE. IT WAS WAITING FOR US, TO
HOUSE. IT WAS WAITING FOR US, TO RETURN.
IT WAS WAITING FOR US, TO RETURN. IN A SENSE.
RETURN. IN A SENSE. THE SPIRIT AND THE ART OF THE
IN A SENSE. THE SPIRIT AND THE ART OF THE PEOPLE.
THE SPIRIT AND THE ART OF THE PEOPLE. IT'S ALWAYS MADE US FEEL MUCH
PEOPLE. IT'S ALWAYS MADE US FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT WHERE
IT'S ALWAYS MADE US FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT WHERE WE WERE AND ABOUT WHAT WE
MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT WHERE WE WERE AND ABOUT WHAT WE HAD.
WE WERE AND ABOUT WHAT WE HAD. WE FELT WE HAD BEEN AWAY,
HAD. WE FELT WE HAD BEEN AWAY, RECYCLED, WHAT WAS THEIRS,
WE FELT WE HAD BEEN AWAY, RECYCLED, WHAT WAS THEIRS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE THEIRS IN
RECYCLED, WHAT WAS THEIRS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE THEIRS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY PRODUCED.
AND ALWAYS WILL BE THEIRS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY PRODUCED. EARLIER, YOU COLLECTED
TERMS OF WHAT THEY PRODUCED. EARLIER, YOU COLLECTED STAMPS AND FROM A KID
EARLIER, YOU COLLECTED STAMPS AND FROM A KID COLLECTING STAMPS TO A FIERCE
STAMPS AND FROM A KID COLLECTING STAMPS TO A FIERCE COLLECTOR OF STAMP, AND
COLLECTING STAMPS TO A FIERCE COLLECTOR OF STAMP, AND SOMEONE GAVE YOU ADVICE THAT
COLLECTOR OF STAMP, AND SOMEONE GAVE YOU ADVICE THAT WAS RELATE TO WHAT YOU DID
SOMEONE GAVE YOU ADVICE THAT WAS RELATE TO WHAT YOU DID AFTER.
WAS RELATE TO WHAT YOU DID AFTER. I WORKED AT ALAN & COMPANY
AFTER. I WORKED AT ALAN & COMPANY FOR AN ELEGANT MAN WHO,
I WORKED AT ALAN & COMPANY FOR AN ELEGANT MAN WHO, EVERYTHING HE DID WAS TO THE
FOR AN ELEGANT MAN WHO, EVERYTHING HE DID WAS TO THE NINES, AND HE TOLD ME, NO
EVERYTHING HE DID WAS TO THE NINES, AND HE TOLD ME, NO MATTER WHAT, YOU HAVE TO BE
NINES, AND HE TOLD ME, NO MATTER WHAT, YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO BUY THE BEST, YOU
MATTER WHAT, YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO BUY THE BEST, YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO LOVE
PREPARED TO BUY THE BEST, YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO LOVE WHAT YOU BUY.
HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO LOVE WHAT YOU BUY. AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A
WHAT YOU BUY. AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PASSION, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT
AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PASSION, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT IT IS.
PASSION, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT IT IS. AND I THINK THAT REALLY -- I
IT IS. AND I THINK THAT REALLY -- I EVENTUALLY SOLD THE STAMP
AND I THINK THAT REALLY -- I EVENTUALLY SOLD THE STAMP COLLECTIONS AND BOUGHT A
EVENTUALLY SOLD THE STAMP COLLECTIONS AND BOUGHT A FRANK STELLA!
COLLECTIONS AND BOUGHT A FRANK STELLA! [LAUGHTER]
FRANK STELLA! [LAUGHTER] BUT I'VE ALWAYS HAD A
[LAUGHTER] BUT I'VE ALWAYS HAD A FEELING ABOUT ART, AND I'M
BUT I'VE ALWAYS HAD A FEELING ABOUT ART, AND I'M SURE IT'S NOT UNIQUE.
FEELING ABOUT ART, AND I'M SURE IT'S NOT UNIQUE. I LOOK AT A PIECE OF ART,
SURE IT'S NOT UNIQUE. I LOOK AT A PIECE OF ART, WHETHER IT WAS A STAMP OR A
I LOOK AT A PIECE OF ART, WHETHER IT WAS A STAMP OR A PAINTING OF SOME SORT, BUT
WHETHER IT WAS A STAMP OR A PAINTING OF SOME SORT, BUT ESPECIALLY, WHEN IT'S COME TO
PAINTING OF SOME SORT, BUT ESPECIALLY, WHEN IT'S COME TO AMERICAN INDIAN ART, I KNOW
ESPECIALLY, WHEN IT'S COME TO AMERICAN INDIAN ART, I KNOW WITHIN 30 SECONDS WHETHER I
AMERICAN INDIAN ART, I KNOW WITHIN 30 SECONDS WHETHER I WANT TO BUY IT OR NOT.
WITHIN 30 SECONDS WHETHER I WANT TO BUY IT OR NOT. I TRULY DO.
WANT TO BUY IT OR NOT. I TRULY DO. THAT'S A GREAT QUALITY.
I TRULY DO. THAT'S A GREAT QUALITY. YOU'VE BEEN VERY QUICK IN
THAT'S A GREAT QUALITY. YOU'VE BEEN VERY QUICK IN THOSE DECISIONS.
YOU'VE BEEN VERY QUICK IN THOSE DECISIONS. VERY.
THOSE DECISIONS. VERY. VERY.
VERY. VERY. I'M NOT SO GOOD IN OTHERS AND
VERY. I'M NOT SO GOOD IN OTHERS AND MY WIFE WILL BE GLAD TO
I'M NOT SO GOOD IN OTHERS AND MY WIFE WILL BE GLAD TO DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU, BUT I
MY WIFE WILL BE GLAD TO DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU, BUT I MAKE UP MY MIND IN A HURRY.
DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU, BUT I MAKE UP MY MIND IN A HURRY. AND I KNOW WHEN I WANT IT.
MAKE UP MY MIND IN A HURRY. AND I KNOW WHEN I WANT IT. NOW, WHETHER IT BE
AND I KNOW WHEN I WANT IT. NOW, WHETHER IT BE AFFORDABLE, THAT SOMEHOW
NOW, WHETHER IT BE AFFORDABLE, THAT SOMEHOW ENTERS INTO THAT,
AFFORDABLE, THAT SOMEHOW ENTERS INTO THAT, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE WERE,
ENTERS INTO THAT, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE WERE, YOU KNOW, GROWING OUR ABILITY
PARTICULARLY WHEN WE WERE, YOU KNOW, GROWING OUR ABILITY TO PURCHASE THINGS, BUT I
YOU KNOW, GROWING OUR ABILITY TO PURCHASE THINGS, BUT I KNOW AND MY FRIEND CHUCK
TO PURCHASE THINGS, BUT I KNOW AND MY FRIEND CHUCK DIKER, WHO WE MAY TALK ABOUT,
KNOW AND MY FRIEND CHUCK DIKER, WHO WE MAY TALK ABOUT, WHO HAS DONATED ART TO THE
DIKER, WHO WE MAY TALK ABOUT, WHO HAS DONATED ART TO THE MUSEUM HERE, WHO STARTED ME
WHO HAS DONATED ART TO THE MUSEUM HERE, WHO STARTED ME ON THIS, SAID TO ME ONE DAY,
MUSEUM HERE, WHO STARTED ME ON THIS, SAID TO ME ONE DAY, IT'S GOT TO HAVE THE PITTER
ON THIS, SAID TO ME ONE DAY, IT'S GOT TO HAVE THE PITTER PATTER FACTOR.
IT'S GOT TO HAVE THE PITTER PATTER FACTOR. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S
PATTER FACTOR. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S JUST GOT TO GO LIKE THAT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S JUST GOT TO GO LIKE THAT. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL ANECDOTE
JUST GOT TO GO LIKE THAT. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL ANECDOTE IN THE BOOK, ALSO, THAT
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL ANECDOTE IN THE BOOK, ALSO, THAT PEOPLE RECOGNIZE NOW YOUR EYE
IN THE BOOK, ALSO, THAT PEOPLE RECOGNIZE NOW YOUR EYE AND WHAT IT WILL BE, SO THERE
PEOPLE RECOGNIZE NOW YOUR EYE AND WHAT IT WILL BE, SO THERE ARE PIECES THAT PEOPLE SAY
AND WHAT IT WILL BE, SO THERE ARE PIECES THAT PEOPLE SAY NO, NO, NO, THIS IS A PIECE
ARE PIECES THAT PEOPLE SAY NO, NO, NO, THIS IS A PIECE OF -- THERE IS ALMOST THAT
NO, NO, NO, THIS IS A PIECE OF -- THERE IS ALMOST THAT KIND OF DIALOGUE.
OF -- THERE IS ALMOST THAT KIND OF DIALOGUE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE
KIND OF DIALOGUE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE SAYS IS ALSO -- AND WHICH I
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE SAYS IS ALSO -- AND WHICH I LIKE, AS WE GO INTO MORE
SAYS IS ALSO -- AND WHICH I LIKE, AS WE GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON SOME OF THE PIECES,
LIKE, AS WE GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON SOME OF THE PIECES, IS ALAN SEES THE TOTALITY OF
DETAIL ON SOME OF THE PIECES, IS ALAN SEES THE TOTALITY OF THE VISUAL IMAGE BEFORE THE
IS ALAN SEES THE TOTALITY OF THE VISUAL IMAGE BEFORE THE FUNCTION OF THE OBJECT.
THE VISUAL IMAGE BEFORE THE FUNCTION OF THE OBJECT. AND I THINK THAT IS ALSO YOUR
FUNCTION OF THE OBJECT. AND I THINK THAT IS ALSO YOUR WAY OF PERHAPS HAVING GONE
AND I THINK THAT IS ALSO YOUR WAY OF PERHAPS HAVING GONE OVER INTO DIFFERENT ARTS AND
WAY OF PERHAPS HAVING GONE OVER INTO DIFFERENT ARTS AND I THINK THIS LEADS TO OF
OVER INTO DIFFERENT ARTS AND I THINK THIS LEADS TO OF COURSE YOU HAVE ABSTRACT ART,
I THINK THIS LEADS TO OF COURSE YOU HAVE ABSTRACT ART, STELLA, AND OTHERS, AND IN A
COURSE YOU HAVE ABSTRACT ART, STELLA, AND OTHERS, AND IN A WAY, SOME OF THESE ARE
STELLA, AND OTHERS, AND IN A WAY, SOME OF THESE ARE AMAZING IN THEIR SIMPLICITY,
WAY, SOME OF THESE ARE AMAZING IN THEIR SIMPLICITY, THEIR ABSTRACTION AND SHEER
AMAZING IN THEIR SIMPLICITY, THEIR ABSTRACTION AND SHEER BEAUTY.
THEIR ABSTRACTION AND SHEER BEAUTY. YEAH, I WAS ATTRACTED TO
BEAUTY. YEAH, I WAS ATTRACTED TO THESE VERY EARLY ON.
YEAH, I WAS ATTRACTED TO THESE VERY EARLY ON. THEY ARE FASCINATING OBJECTS.
THESE VERY EARLY ON. THEY ARE FASCINATING OBJECTS. AND YOU CAN REALLY SEE ON THE
THEY ARE FASCINATING OBJECTS. AND YOU CAN REALLY SEE ON THE LEFT THE PURPOSE THAT THEY
AND YOU CAN REALLY SEE ON THE LEFT THE PURPOSE THAT THEY SERVE.
LEFT THE PURPOSE THAT THEY SERVE. THIS ONE DATES FROM ABOUT --
SERVE. THIS ONE DATES FROM ABOUT -- THIS SAYS 1840.
THIS ONE DATES FROM ABOUT -- THIS SAYS 1840. I'M ARGUING FOR EARLIER.
THIS SAYS 1840. I'M ARGUING FOR EARLIER. BUT THESE ARE WHAT'S KNOWN AS
I'M ARGUING FOR EARLIER. BUT THESE ARE WHAT'S KNOWN AS PONY BEADS AND THE REASON WAS
BUT THESE ARE WHAT'S KNOWN AS PONY BEADS AND THE REASON WAS VERY COMPLICATED.
PONY BEADS AND THE REASON WAS VERY COMPLICATED. THE BEADS WERE BROUGHT IN BY
VERY COMPLICATED. THE BEADS WERE BROUGHT IN BY TRADERS ON PONIES.
THE BEADS WERE BROUGHT IN BY TRADERS ON PONIES. AND THEY ARE A LARGER BEAD,
TRADERS ON PONIES. AND THEY ARE A LARGER BEAD, WHICH THE INDIANS FIRST
AND THEY ARE A LARGER BEAD, WHICH THE INDIANS FIRST WORKED WITH.
WHICH THE INDIANS FIRST WORKED WITH. WHILE WE DON'T WANT TO
WORKED WITH. WHILE WE DON'T WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE FUNCTION, THE
WHILE WE DON'T WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE FUNCTION, THE FUNCTION IS TO HIDE --
EMPHASIZE THE FUNCTION, THE FUNCTION IS TO HIDE -- YEAH, WHEN THE BUFFALO WAS
FUNCTION IS TO HIDE -- YEAH, WHEN THE BUFFALO WAS SLAUGHTERED, KILLED, THEY
YEAH, WHEN THE BUFFALO WAS SLAUGHTERED, KILLED, THEY WOULD CUT IT IN HALF OVER THE
SLAUGHTERED, KILLED, THEY WOULD CUT IT IN HALF OVER THE HUMP, AND THERE WAS THIS LONG
WOULD CUT IT IN HALF OVER THE HUMP, AND THERE WAS THIS LONG -- IT WAS A SPLIT TO SPREAD
HUMP, AND THERE WAS THIS LONG -- IT WAS A SPLIT TO SPREAD THE HIDE.
-- IT WAS A SPLIT TO SPREAD THE HIDE. THIS WAS INVENTED TO COVER UP
THE HIDE. THIS WAS INVENTED TO COVER UP THAT SPLIT.
THIS WAS INVENTED TO COVER UP THAT SPLIT. SO IT WAS VERY PRACTICAL FROM
THAT SPLIT. SO IT WAS VERY PRACTICAL FROM THAT STANDPOINT, BUT THEY
SO IT WAS VERY PRACTICAL FROM THAT STANDPOINT, BUT THEY ALSO MADE IT A VERY AESTHETIC
THAT STANDPOINT, BUT THEY ALSO MADE IT A VERY AESTHETIC AND BEAUTIFUL THING AND THEY
ALSO MADE IT A VERY AESTHETIC AND BEAUTIFUL THING AND THEY JUST DIDN'T TAKE ANYTHING
AND BEAUTIFUL THING AND THEY JUST DIDN'T TAKE ANYTHING THEY COULD FIND.
JUST DIDN'T TAKE ANYTHING THEY COULD FIND. HERE'S ANOTHER INDICATION OF
THEY COULD FIND. HERE'S ANOTHER INDICATION OF THE COLOR PALLET AND THE
HERE'S ANOTHER INDICATION OF THE COLOR PALLET AND THE AESTHETIC THAT'S INVOLVED,
THE COLOR PALLET AND THE AESTHETIC THAT'S INVOLVED, AND THIS IS POC PINE QUIL --
AESTHETIC THAT'S INVOLVED, AND THIS IS POC PINE QUIL -- PORK U PINE QUILS WRAPPED
AND THIS IS POC PINE QUIL -- PORK U PINE QUILS WRAPPED AROUND THE HORSE HAIR.
PORK U PINE QUILS WRAPPED AROUND THE HORSE HAIR. IT'S A TALENT THAT REALLY
AROUND THE HORSE HAIR. IT'S A TALENT THAT REALLY DIED OUT AT ABOUT THIS TIME
IT'S A TALENT THAT REALLY DIED OUT AT ABOUT THIS TIME AND IT WAS SO TIME CONSUMING
DIED OUT AT ABOUT THIS TIME AND IT WAS SO TIME CONSUMING AND SO PRECISE.
AND IT WAS SO TIME CONSUMING AND SO PRECISE. I WILL DIGRESS FOR ONE
AND SO PRECISE. I WILL DIGRESS FOR ONE MOMENT.
I WILL DIGRESS FOR ONE MOMENT. I THINK THAT THE AESTHETIC
MOMENT. I THINK THAT THE AESTHETIC AND THE CULTURE AND THE
I THINK THAT THE AESTHETIC AND THE CULTURE AND THE SPIRITUAL SIDE OF THE
AND THE CULTURE AND THE SPIRITUAL SIDE OF THE AMERICAN INDIAN IS SOMETHING
SPIRITUAL SIDE OF THE AMERICAN INDIAN IS SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER BEEN PROPERLY
AMERICAN INDIAN IS SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER BEEN PROPERLY RECOGNIZED.
THAT HAS NEVER BEEN PROPERLY RECOGNIZED. WE'VE DONE THE OPPOSITE.
RECOGNIZED. WE'VE DONE THE OPPOSITE. AND I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT
WE'VE DONE THE OPPOSITE. AND I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT A PIECE LIKE THIS AND THE
AND I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT A PIECE LIKE THIS AND THE OTHERS, YOU WILL SEE, YOU
A PIECE LIKE THIS AND THE OTHERS, YOU WILL SEE, YOU CANNOT CALL THESE PEOPLE
OTHERS, YOU WILL SEE, YOU CANNOT CALL THESE PEOPLE SAVAGES.
CANNOT CALL THESE PEOPLE SAVAGES. THIS WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY
SAVAGES. THIS WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY CULTURE, THE PLAINS AND THE
THIS WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY CULTURE, THE PLAINS AND THE INDIANS REPRESENTED.
CULTURE, THE PLAINS AND THE INDIANS REPRESENTED. THIS IS JUST ONE OF
INDIANS REPRESENTED. THIS IS JUST ONE OF PERHAPS THE COLLECTION'S
THIS IS JUST ONE OF PERHAPS THE COLLECTION'S GREATEST FOCUS, AND PERHAPS
PERHAPS THE COLLECTION'S GREATEST FOCUS, AND PERHAPS ONE OF THE GREATEST ATKHAOEF
GREATEST FOCUS, AND PERHAPS ONE OF THE GREATEST ATKHAOEF MENT -- ACHIEVEMENTS.
ONE OF THE GREATEST ATKHAOEF MENT -- ACHIEVEMENTS. WE CAN GO BETWEEN ACSTRACTION
MENT -- ACHIEVEMENTS. WE CAN GO BETWEEN ACSTRACTION TO PICTORIAL AND THAT IS ONE
WE CAN GO BETWEEN ACSTRACTION TO PICTORIAL AND THAT IS ONE OF THE GREATEST THINGS ABOUT
TO PICTORIAL AND THAT IS ONE OF THE GREATEST THINGS ABOUT YOUR COLLECTION, YOU HAVE
OF THE GREATEST THINGS ABOUT YOUR COLLECTION, YOU HAVE THAT INCREDIBLE SENSIBILITY
YOUR COLLECTION, YOU HAVE THAT INCREDIBLE SENSIBILITY FOR THE REPRESENTATION.
THAT INCREDIBLE SENSIBILITY FOR THE REPRESENTATION. I'M AMBEDEXTRIOUS.
FOR THE REPRESENTATION. I'M AMBEDEXTRIOUS. I LIKE THE ABSTRACT , IT
I'M AMBEDEXTRIOUS. I LIKE THE ABSTRACT , IT REMINDS ME OF THE EARLY
I LIKE THE ABSTRACT , IT REMINDS ME OF THE EARLY STELLA WORK AND YET THE
REMINDS ME OF THE EARLY STELLA WORK AND YET THE PICTORIAL OBJECTS JUST
STELLA WORK AND YET THE PICTORIAL OBJECTS JUST RESONATE AND THE ABILITY OF
PICTORIAL OBJECTS JUST RESONATE AND THE ABILITY OF THE WOMEN TO HAVE THIS COLOR
RESONATE AND THE ABILITY OF THE WOMEN TO HAVE THIS COLOR PALLET, AND THE CALICO
THE WOMEN TO HAVE THIS COLOR PALLET, AND THE CALICO DESIGNS ON THESE OBJECTS.
PALLET, AND THE CALICO DESIGNS ON THESE OBJECTS. TO ME, THEY ARE THREE
DESIGNS ON THESE OBJECTS. TO ME, THEY ARE THREE DIMENSIONAL.
TO ME, THEY ARE THREE DIMENSIONAL. THEY'RE NOT JUST TWO
DIMENSIONAL. THEY'RE NOT JUST TWO DIMENSIONAL.
THEY'RE NOT JUST TWO DIMENSIONAL. SO THIS -- SOME OF THE ART
DIMENSIONAL. SO THIS -- SOME OF THE ART WE WILL SEE DEFINITELY
SO THIS -- SOME OF THE ART WE WILL SEE DEFINITELY HIGHLIGHTS AMAZING PIECES AND
WE WILL SEE DEFINITELY HIGHLIGHTS AMAZING PIECES AND THE OTHER THING, YOUR
HIGHLIGHTS AMAZING PIECES AND THE OTHER THING, YOUR COLLECTION GOES VERY DEEP,
THE OTHER THING, YOUR COLLECTION GOES VERY DEEP, AND WE WILL SEE THE EXAMPLES
COLLECTION GOES VERY DEEP, AND WE WILL SEE THE EXAMPLES IN THESE TOBACCO BAGS AND
AND WE WILL SEE THE EXAMPLES IN THESE TOBACCO BAGS AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST
IN THESE TOBACCO BAGS AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU FOUND.
THIS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU FOUND. I FELL IN LOVE WITH
THINGS YOU FOUND. I FELL IN LOVE WITH TOBACCO BAGS VERY EARLY.
I FELL IN LOVE WITH TOBACCO BAGS VERY EARLY. THEY FASCINATED ME, BECAUSE
TOBACCO BAGS VERY EARLY. THEY FASCINATED ME, BECAUSE THEY ARE SO DIVERSE.
THEY FASCINATED ME, BECAUSE THEY ARE SO DIVERSE. BUT THIS ONE HAS AN
THEY ARE SO DIVERSE. BUT THIS ONE HAS AN INTERESTING STORY, BECAUSE I
BUT THIS ONE HAS AN INTERESTING STORY, BECAUSE I STARTED COLLECTING BASKETS
INTERESTING STORY, BECAUSE I STARTED COLLECTING BASKETS THROUGH MY FRIEND, CHUCK
STARTED COLLECTING BASKETS THROUGH MY FRIEND, CHUCK DIKER.
THROUGH MY FRIEND, CHUCK DIKER. HE CONFRONTED ME ONE DAY AND
DIKER. HE CONFRONTED ME ONE DAY AND SAID I'VE BEEN BUYING INDIAN
HE CONFRONTED ME ONE DAY AND SAID I'VE BEEN BUYING INDIAN BASKETS, AND I SAID WHY, AND
SAID I'VE BEEN BUYING INDIAN BASKETS, AND I SAID WHY, AND HE SAID WELL, THEY ARE REALLY
BASKETS, AND I SAID WHY, AND HE SAID WELL, THEY ARE REALLY QUITE BEAUTIFUL, AND HE SAID
HE SAID WELL, THEY ARE REALLY QUITE BEAUTIFUL, AND HE SAID I THOUGHT WITH YOUR OKLAHOMA
QUITE BEAUTIFUL, AND HE SAID I THOUGHT WITH YOUR OKLAHOMA BACKGROUND, UNIVERSITY OF
I THOUGHT WITH YOUR OKLAHOMA BACKGROUND, UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA PRESS, WHICH IS THE
BACKGROUND, UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA PRESS, WHICH IS THE GREATEST INDIAN PRESS IN
OKLAHOMA PRESS, WHICH IS THE GREATEST INDIAN PRESS IN AMERICA, AND ASSOCIATING WITH
GREATEST INDIAN PRESS IN AMERICA, AND ASSOCIATING WITH INDIANS IN THAT AREA, HE SAID
AMERICA, AND ASSOCIATING WITH INDIANS IN THAT AREA, HE SAID I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE
INDIANS IN THAT AREA, HE SAID I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED.
I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED. I SAID WELL, YOU KNOW, I HAVE
INTERESTED. I SAID WELL, YOU KNOW, I HAVE MY CONTEMPORARY ART.
I SAID WELL, YOU KNOW, I HAVE MY CONTEMPORARY ART. HE SAID WELL, THEY ARE VERY
MY CONTEMPORARY ART. HE SAID WELL, THEY ARE VERY BEAUTIFUL, AND I KIND OF
HE SAID WELL, THEY ARE VERY BEAUTIFUL, AND I KIND OF LOOKED, AND HE SAID AND THEY
BEAUTIFUL, AND I KIND OF LOOKED, AND HE SAID AND THEY ARE VERY INEXPENSIVE.
LOOKED, AND HE SAID AND THEY ARE VERY INEXPENSIVE. [LAUGHTER]
ARE VERY INEXPENSIVE. [LAUGHTER] THAT RESONATED!
[LAUGHTER] THAT RESONATED! AND THAT WAS THE
THAT RESONATED! AND THAT WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE JOURNEY.
AND THAT WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE JOURNEY. HE BOUGHT ME MY FIRST BASKET.
BEGINNING OF THE JOURNEY. HE BOUGHT ME MY FIRST BASKET. WELL, HE BOUGHT IT, AND THEN
HE BOUGHT ME MY FIRST BASKET. WELL, HE BOUGHT IT, AND THEN I REIMBURSED HIM.
WELL, HE BOUGHT IT, AND THEN I REIMBURSED HIM. IT LOOKED LIKE A FABULOUS
I REIMBURSED HIM. IT LOOKED LIKE A FABULOUS BASKET.
IT LOOKED LIKE A FABULOUS BASKET. IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS LATER
BASKET. IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS LATER THAT I DECIDED TO UPGRADE,
IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS LATER THAT I DECIDED TO UPGRADE, BUT IT STARTED THE PROCESSION
THAT I DECIDED TO UPGRADE, BUT IT STARTED THE PROCESSION SO WE'RE WALKING ON OF ALL
BUT IT STARTED THE PROCESSION SO WE'RE WALKING ON OF ALL PLACES MADISON AVENUE OF NEW
SO WE'RE WALKING ON OF ALL PLACES MADISON AVENUE OF NEW YORK, THERE WAS A DEALER WHO
PLACES MADISON AVENUE OF NEW YORK, THERE WAS A DEALER WHO SPECIALIZED IN HUDSON RIVER
YORK, THERE WAS A DEALER WHO SPECIALIZED IN HUDSON RIVER PAINTINGS, BUT UPSTAIRS, THE
SPECIALIZED IN HUDSON RIVER PAINTINGS, BUT UPSTAIRS, THE RUMOR WAS HE COLLECTED INDIAN
PAINTINGS, BUT UPSTAIRS, THE RUMOR WAS HE COLLECTED INDIAN ART, SO MY FRIEND, CHUCK, AND
RUMOR WAS HE COLLECTED INDIAN ART, SO MY FRIEND, CHUCK, AND I WENT UP THERE, AND THIS WAS
ART, SO MY FRIEND, CHUCK, AND I WENT UP THERE, AND THIS WAS THE FIRST BEADWORK I HAD EVER
I WENT UP THERE, AND THIS WAS THE FIRST BEADWORK I HAD EVER SEEN.
THE FIRST BEADWORK I HAD EVER SEEN. THE VEST, AND THIS TOBACCO
SEEN. THE VEST, AND THIS TOBACCO BAG.
THE VEST, AND THIS TOBACCO BAG. AND I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE
BAG. AND I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE MY EYES.
AND I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE MY EYES. IT JUST KIND OF THREW IT IN
MY EYES. IT JUST KIND OF THREW IT IN MY FACE.
IT JUST KIND OF THREW IT IN MY FACE. THE SIZE OF THIS BEAD IS
MY FACE. THE SIZE OF THIS BEAD IS BEYOND REMARKABLE.
THE SIZE OF THIS BEAD IS BEYOND REMARKABLE. IT'S THE SMALLEST BEAD MADE.
BEYOND REMARKABLE. IT'S THE SMALLEST BEAD MADE. VIRTUALLY ALL IT --
IT'S THE SMALLEST BEAD MADE. VIRTUALLY ALL IT -- IT'S FROM ITALY.
VIRTUALLY ALL IT -- IT'S FROM ITALY. THE AMERICAN ITALY THEN,
IT'S FROM ITALY. THE AMERICAN ITALY THEN, ESSENTIALLY.
THE AMERICAN ITALY THEN, ESSENTIALLY. VENICE.
ESSENTIALLY. VENICE. AND THE TRADERS BROUGHT IT
VENICE. AND THE TRADERS BROUGHT IT UP -- BROUGHT IT OVER AND
AND THE TRADERS BROUGHT IT UP -- BROUGHT IT OVER AND TRADED FOR EVERYTHING THEY --
UP -- BROUGHT IT OVER AND TRADED FOR EVERYTHING THEY -- THE PELTS, THE FUR, REALLY
TRADED FOR EVERYTHING THEY -- THE PELTS, THE FUR, REALLY AND INTRODUCED THEM TO, AMONG
THE PELTS, THE FUR, REALLY AND INTRODUCED THEM TO, AMONG OTHER THINGS, ALCOHOL AND
AND INTRODUCED THEM TO, AMONG OTHER THINGS, ALCOHOL AND SMALLPOX.
OTHER THINGS, ALCOHOL AND SMALLPOX. BUT THIS IS REALLY A STAR OF
SMALLPOX. BUT THIS IS REALLY A STAR OF OUR COLLECTION.
BUT THIS IS REALLY A STAR OF OUR COLLECTION. AND THOSE ARE THE PILLARS
OUR COLLECTION. AND THOSE ARE THE PILLARS FROM WHICH EVERYTHING THAT
AND THOSE ARE THE PILLARS FROM WHICH EVERYTHING THAT EVOLVED.
FROM WHICH EVERYTHING THAT EVOLVED. EXACTLY.
EVOLVED. EXACTLY. AND HERE WE HAVE PERHAPS
EXACTLY. AND HERE WE HAVE PERHAPS THE MOST INCREDIBLE EXAMPLE,
AND HERE WE HAVE PERHAPS THE MOST INCREDIBLE EXAMPLE, ONE IS THE COVER OF A BOOK
THE MOST INCREDIBLE EXAMPLE, ONE IS THE COVER OF A BOOK THAT WE WILL SEE LATER, AND
ONE IS THE COVER OF A BOOK THAT WE WILL SEE LATER, AND VERY, VERY -- PERHAPS ONE IS
THAT WE WILL SEE LATER, AND VERY, VERY -- PERHAPS ONE IS PRE-RESERVATION, THE OTHER
VERY, VERY -- PERHAPS ONE IS PRE-RESERVATION, THE OTHER MAY BE RESERVATION, BUT AT
PRE-RESERVATION, THE OTHER MAY BE RESERVATION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS QUALITY,
MAY BE RESERVATION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS QUALITY, THAT DISTINCTION, PERHAPS, IS
THE SAME TIME, THIS QUALITY, THAT DISTINCTION, PERHAPS, IS MOST IMPORTANT.
THAT DISTINCTION, PERHAPS, IS MOST IMPORTANT. YES.
MOST IMPORTANT. YES. I STRIVE TO BUY
YES. I STRIVE TO BUY PRE-RESERVATION BECAUSE I
I STRIVE TO BUY PRE-RESERVATION BECAUSE I LIKE THE IDEA OF OWNING
PRE-RESERVATION BECAUSE I LIKE THE IDEA OF OWNING SOMETHING THAT WAS USED, THAT
LIKE THE IDEA OF OWNING SOMETHING THAT WAS USED, THAT WAS USED IN THEIR EVERY DAY
SOMETHING THAT WAS USED, THAT WAS USED IN THEIR EVERY DAY LIFE, THAT WAS USED IN THEIR
WAS USED IN THEIR EVERY DAY LIFE, THAT WAS USED IN THEIR CEREMONIES.
LIFE, THAT WAS USED IN THEIR CEREMONIES. IT HAS A KIND OF A SPIRITUAL
CEREMONIES. IT HAS A KIND OF A SPIRITUAL IMPACT UPON ME.
IT HAS A KIND OF A SPIRITUAL IMPACT UPON ME. BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, WHEN
IMPACT UPON ME. BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT'S JUST
BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL, YOU'RE NOT GOING
YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAY WELL, REALLY, WAS IT
BEAUTIFUL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAY WELL, REALLY, WAS IT 1875 OR 1880 OR 1883?
TO SAY WELL, REALLY, WAS IT 1875 OR 1880 OR 1883? YOU JUST BUY IT.
1875 OR 1880 OR 1883? YOU JUST BUY IT. YEAH, THE DRESS IS I THINK
YOU JUST BUY IT. YEAH, THE DRESS IS I THINK THE MOST BEAUTIFUL OBJECT IN
YEAH, THE DRESS IS I THINK THE MOST BEAUTIFUL OBJECT IN OUR COLLECTION.
THE MOST BEAUTIFUL OBJECT IN OUR COLLECTION. IT HAS EVERY BELL AND
OUR COLLECTION. IT HAS EVERY BELL AND WHISTLE, AND YOU WILL SEE IT
IT HAS EVERY BELL AND WHISTLE, AND YOU WILL SEE IT FEATURED IN THE BOOK, BUT THE
WHISTLE, AND YOU WILL SEE IT FEATURED IN THE BOOK, BUT THE SPIRIT ON THE RIGHT IS A WAR
FEATURED IN THE BOOK, BUT THE SPIRIT ON THE RIGHT IS A WAR SHIRT.
SPIRIT ON THE RIGHT IS A WAR SHIRT. IT WAS OWNED BY A VERY FAMOUS
SHIRT. IT WAS OWNED BY A VERY FAMOUS CHIEF BY THE NAME OF SHORT
IT WAS OWNED BY A VERY FAMOUS CHIEF BY THE NAME OF SHORT BULL.
CHIEF BY THE NAME OF SHORT BULL. AND HE WAS AT THE BATTLE OF
BULL. AND HE WAS AT THE BATTLE OF LITTLE BIGHORN, AND SITTING
AND HE WAS AT THE BATTLE OF LITTLE BIGHORN, AND SITTING BULL, THEY WERE NOT RELATED,
LITTLE BIGHORN, AND SITTING BULL, THEY WERE NOT RELATED, BUT HE WAS A VERY FAMOUS
BULL, THEY WERE NOT RELATED, BUT HE WAS A VERY FAMOUS INDIAN CHIEF.
BUT HE WAS A VERY FAMOUS INDIAN CHIEF. THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT
INDIAN CHIEF. THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT IT WAS I WAS IN SANTA FE ONE
THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT IT WAS I WAS IN SANTA FE ONE DAY, I WALKED INTO A GALLERY
IT WAS I WAS IN SANTA FE ONE DAY, I WALKED INTO A GALLERY AND SAW THIS.
DAY, I WALKED INTO A GALLERY AND SAW THIS. IT WAS FAR BEYOND WHAT I HAD
AND SAW THIS. IT WAS FAR BEYOND WHAT I HAD PAID IN THE PAST FOR AN
IT WAS FAR BEYOND WHAT I HAD PAID IN THE PAST FOR AN OBJECT.
PAID IN THE PAST FOR AN OBJECT. THE DEALER WHO I HAD BOUGHT
OBJECT. THE DEALER WHO I HAD BOUGHT OTHER THINGS FROM SAID
THE DEALER WHO I HAD BOUGHT OTHER THINGS FROM SAID THERE'S A VERY SERIOUS THING
OTHER THINGS FROM SAID THERE'S A VERY SERIOUS THING GOING ON WITH THIS SHIRT.
THERE'S A VERY SERIOUS THING GOING ON WITH THIS SHIRT. A VERY FAMOUS ACTRESS, HOME
GOING ON WITH THIS SHIRT. A VERY FAMOUS ACTRESS, HOME DECORATOR, WAS IN, AND SHE
A VERY FAMOUS ACTRESS, HOME DECORATOR, WAS IN, AND SHE SAW THIS SHIRT, AND SHE SAID
DECORATOR, WAS IN, AND SHE SAW THIS SHIRT, AND SHE SAID YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE
SAW THIS SHIRT, AND SHE SAID YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE PERFECT FOR HIS OFFICE, IT
YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE PERFECT FOR HIS OFFICE, IT MATCHES THE COLOR PALLET OF
PERFECT FOR HIS OFFICE, IT MATCHES THE COLOR PALLET OF THE OFFICE.
MATCHES THE COLOR PALLET OF THE OFFICE. [LAUGHTER]
THE OFFICE. [LAUGHTER] AND THIS POOR DEALER, HE
[LAUGHTER] AND THIS POOR DEALER, HE TRULY -- NOT OFTEN THEY CRY
AND THIS POOR DEALER, HE TRULY -- NOT OFTEN THEY CRY WHEN YOU TRY TO GET THE PRICE
TRULY -- NOT OFTEN THEY CRY WHEN YOU TRY TO GET THE PRICE LOWER, BUT THIS TIME, IT WAS
WHEN YOU TRY TO GET THE PRICE LOWER, BUT THIS TIME, IT WAS REAL, HE SAID IT CAN'T GO.
LOWER, BUT THIS TIME, IT WAS REAL, HE SAID IT CAN'T GO. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT SHIRT.
REAL, HE SAID IT CAN'T GO. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT SHIRT. IT HAS TO BE IN THE HANDS OF
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT SHIRT. IT HAS TO BE IN THE HANDS OF SOMEONE WHO APPRECIATES IT.
IT HAS TO BE IN THE HANDS OF SOMEONE WHO APPRECIATES IT. AND HE SAID FORGET THE PRICE.
SOMEONE WHO APPRECIATES IT. AND HE SAID FORGET THE PRICE. -- THE PRICE THAT THE
AND HE SAID FORGET THE PRICE. -- THE PRICE THAT THE DECORATOR IS WILLING TO PAY.
-- THE PRICE THAT THE DECORATOR IS WILLING TO PAY. HE MADE ME A VERY GOOD OFFER
DECORATOR IS WILLING TO PAY. HE MADE ME A VERY GOOD OFFER ON IT.
HE MADE ME A VERY GOOD OFFER ON IT. AND I'VE NEVER REGRETTED IT.
ON IT. AND I'VE NEVER REGRETTED IT. AND IN OUR HOME, THIS
AND I'VE NEVER REGRETTED IT. AND IN OUR HOME, THIS OCCUPIES A PLACE OF HONOR IN
AND IN OUR HOME, THIS OCCUPIES A PLACE OF HONOR IN OUR LIVING ROOM.
OCCUPIES A PLACE OF HONOR IN OUR LIVING ROOM. THE BEADWORK IS BEAUTIFUL,
OUR LIVING ROOM. THE BEADWORK IS BEAUTIFUL, THE SIZE IS QUITE LARGE.
THE BEADWORK IS BEAUTIFUL, THE SIZE IS QUITE LARGE. THAT'S HUMAN HAIR COMING DOWN
THE SIZE IS QUITE LARGE. THAT'S HUMAN HAIR COMING DOWN FROM ALL THE DROPS, ALL
THAT'S HUMAN HAIR COMING DOWN FROM ALL THE DROPS, ALL AROUND.
FROM ALL THE DROPS, ALL AROUND. THIS, TO ME, IS A VERY
AROUND. THIS, TO ME, IS A VERY ORGANIC PIECE.
THIS, TO ME, IS A VERY ORGANIC PIECE. AND IT LOOKS DIFFERENT AT
ORGANIC PIECE. AND IT LOOKS DIFFERENT AT NIGHT IN OUR HOUSE THAN IT
AND IT LOOKS DIFFERENT AT NIGHT IN OUR HOUSE THAN IT DOES IN THE DAY.
NIGHT IN OUR HOUSE THAN IT DOES IN THE DAY. AT NIGHT, IT REALLY SPEAKS TO
DOES IN THE DAY. AT NIGHT, IT REALLY SPEAKS TO ME.
AT NIGHT, IT REALLY SPEAKS TO ME. AND I CAN FEEL THE AURA OF
ME. AND I CAN FEEL THE AURA OF THE OWNER.
AND I CAN FEEL THE AURA OF THE OWNER. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S
THE OWNER. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT'S VERY SPECIAL ABOUT
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT'S VERY SPECIAL ABOUT INDIAN ART AS OPPOSED TO
WHAT'S VERY SPECIAL ABOUT INDIAN ART AS OPPOSED TO OTHER ART FORMS.
INDIAN ART AS OPPOSED TO OTHER ART FORMS. I THINK LIVING WITH ART,
OTHER ART FORMS. I THINK LIVING WITH ART, YOU MAKE IT, AND I KNOW THAT
I THINK LIVING WITH ART, YOU MAKE IT, AND I KNOW THAT ALL OF THE COLLECTORS AROUND
YOU MAKE IT, AND I KNOW THAT ALL OF THE COLLECTORS AROUND US LIKE -- WHETHER IT'S THEIR
ALL OF THE COLLECTORS AROUND US LIKE -- WHETHER IT'S THEIR PAINTINGS, AND -- EACH ONE I
US LIKE -- WHETHER IT'S THEIR PAINTINGS, AND -- EACH ONE I THINK VIBRATES AND I THINK
PAINTINGS, AND -- EACH ONE I THINK VIBRATES AND I THINK MUSEUMS IN A WAY, PEOPLE SAY
THINK VIBRATES AND I THINK MUSEUMS IN A WAY, PEOPLE SAY THAT THERE'S A NIGHT AT THE
MUSEUMS IN A WAY, PEOPLE SAY THAT THERE'S A NIGHT AT THE MUSEUM THAT OBJECTS COME TO
THAT THERE'S A NIGHT AT THE MUSEUM THAT OBJECTS COME TO LIFE.
MUSEUM THAT OBJECTS COME TO LIFE. YES.
LIFE. YES. ONE VERY INTERESTING
YES. ONE VERY INTERESTING THING, ALSO, YOU KNOW WHO THE
ONE VERY INTERESTING THING, ALSO, YOU KNOW WHO THE OWNER -- AND PROVIDENCE, I
THING, ALSO, YOU KNOW WHO THE OWNER -- AND PROVIDENCE, I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU'VE
OWNER -- AND PROVIDENCE, I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU'VE SURROUNDED YOURSELF WITH
THINK THE FACT THAT YOU'VE SURROUNDED YOURSELF WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE ADVISED,
SURROUNDED YOURSELF WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE ADVISED, RESEARCHED, WHETHER IT'S
PEOPLE THAT HAVE ADVISED, RESEARCHED, WHETHER IT'S WENCHELL, WHETHER IT'S
RESEARCHED, WHETHER IT'S WENCHELL, WHETHER IT'S *** TORRENCE, THAT HELP
WENCHELL, WHETHER IT'S *** TORRENCE, THAT HELP PUT TWO THINGS TOGETHER,
*** TORRENCE, THAT HELP PUT TWO THINGS TOGETHER, FINDING THE RIGHT IMAGE, SO
PUT TWO THINGS TOGETHER, FINDING THE RIGHT IMAGE, SO WE HAVE THIS AMAZING PIECE,
FINDING THE RIGHT IMAGE, SO WE HAVE THIS AMAZING PIECE, THE MIRROR BAG WE HAVE, AND
WE HAVE THIS AMAZING PIECE, THE MIRROR BAG WE HAVE, AND ALSO THIS DOCUMENTATION, AND
THE MIRROR BAG WE HAVE, AND ALSO THIS DOCUMENTATION, AND THESE KIND OF ENCOUNTERS, AND
ALSO THIS DOCUMENTATION, AND THESE KIND OF ENCOUNTERS, AND WE'LL SEE TWO OR THREE
THESE KIND OF ENCOUNTERS, AND WE'LL SEE TWO OR THREE EXAMPLES, ARE AMAZING OF
WE'LL SEE TWO OR THREE EXAMPLES, ARE AMAZING OF KNOWING AND HAVING THIS --
EXAMPLES, ARE AMAZING OF KNOWING AND HAVING THIS -- YES, HAVING THAT HISTORY
KNOWING AND HAVING THIS -- YES, HAVING THAT HISTORY WHERE YOU CAN FEEL THE OWNER.
YES, HAVING THAT HISTORY WHERE YOU CAN FEEL THE OWNER. HERE ON HIS LOWER SIDE HERE,
WHERE YOU CAN FEEL THE OWNER. HERE ON HIS LOWER SIDE HERE, YOU WILL SEE THESE TRIANGLES,
HERE ON HIS LOWER SIDE HERE, YOU WILL SEE THESE TRIANGLES, AND MIRROR BAGS ARE WHAT THEY
YOU WILL SEE THESE TRIANGLES, AND MIRROR BAGS ARE WHAT THEY WOULD PUT THEIR WAR PAINT,
AND MIRROR BAGS ARE WHAT THEY WOULD PUT THEIR WAR PAINT, THINGS LIKE THAT ON AND THIS
WOULD PUT THEIR WAR PAINT, THINGS LIKE THAT ON AND THIS IS CHIEF BURROW ON THE GROUND
THINGS LIKE THAT ON AND THIS IS CHIEF BURROW ON THE GROUND OBVIOUSLY A GREAT CHIEF.
IS CHIEF BURROW ON THE GROUND OBVIOUSLY A GREAT CHIEF. IT'S A WONDERFUL MEMORY OF
OBVIOUSLY A GREAT CHIEF. IT'S A WONDERFUL MEMORY OF WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
IT'S A WONDERFUL MEMORY OF WHERE THIS CAME FROM. AND WE HAVE THIS, WHICH
WHERE THIS CAME FROM. AND WE HAVE THIS, WHICH IS JUST AN AMAZING SHIRT, BUT
AND WE HAVE THIS, WHICH IS JUST AN AMAZING SHIRT, BUT ALSO THE PICTURE JUST TELLS
IS JUST AN AMAZING SHIRT, BUT ALSO THE PICTURE JUST TELLS YOU SO MUCH.
ALSO THE PICTURE JUST TELLS YOU SO MUCH. THE SHIRT WAS BOUGHT FEW
YOU SO MUCH. THE SHIRT WAS BOUGHT FEW YEARS AGO AT AUCTION.
THE SHIRT WAS BOUGHT FEW YEARS AGO AT AUCTION. MY FRIEND TERRY WINCHELL
YEARS AGO AT AUCTION. MY FRIEND TERRY WINCHELL CONVINCED ME TO BUY IT AT
MY FRIEND TERRY WINCHELL CONVINCED ME TO BUY IT AT GREAT FINANCIAL SACRIFICE
CONVINCED ME TO BUY IT AT GREAT FINANCIAL SACRIFICE FROM WHICH I WAS CONCERNED
GREAT FINANCIAL SACRIFICE FROM WHICH I WAS CONCERNED BUT I'VE NEVER REGRETTED IT.
FROM WHICH I WAS CONCERNED BUT I'VE NEVER REGRETTED IT. LONG DARK WAS A FAMOUS SIOUX
BUT I'VE NEVER REGRETTED IT. LONG DARK WAS A FAMOUS SIOUX CHIEF, HE FOUGHT AT THE
LONG DARK WAS A FAMOUS SIOUX CHIEF, HE FOUGHT AT THE BATTLE OF LONGHORN, HE WAS A
CHIEF, HE FOUGHT AT THE BATTLE OF LONGHORN, HE WAS A LIEUTENANT OF SITTING BULL,
BATTLE OF LONGHORN, HE WAS A LIEUTENANT OF SITTING BULL, WHEN THE BATTLE WAS OVER,
LIEUTENANT OF SITTING BULL, WHEN THE BATTLE WAS OVER, THEY WENT TO CANADA AND HE
WHEN THE BATTLE WAS OVER, THEY WENT TO CANADA AND HE HAS A VERY LONG HISTORY AND
THEY WENT TO CANADA AND HE HAS A VERY LONG HISTORY AND FAMOUS HISTORY.
HAS A VERY LONG HISTORY AND FAMOUS HISTORY. HE IS WEARING THE SHIRT, YOU
FAMOUS HISTORY. HE IS WEARING THE SHIRT, YOU CAN SEE THE DROPS ON THE
HE IS WEARING THE SHIRT, YOU CAN SEE THE DROPS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE ANIMAL SKIN,
CAN SEE THE DROPS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE ANIMAL SKIN, THE PICTURE IS DATED IN 1876.
BOTTOM OF THE ANIMAL SKIN, THE PICTURE IS DATED IN 1876. THE BATTLE OF LITTLE BIGHORN
THE PICTURE IS DATED IN 1876. THE BATTLE OF LITTLE BIGHORN WAS IN JUNE OF 1876.
THE BATTLE OF LITTLE BIGHORN WAS IN JUNE OF 1876. SO THIS WAS TAKEN IN CANADA,
WAS IN JUNE OF 1876. SO THIS WAS TAKEN IN CANADA, AND IT WAS DISCOVERED, THE
SO THIS WAS TAKEN IN CANADA, AND IT WAS DISCOVERED, THE PHOTO, WAS DISCOVERED WI A
AND IT WAS DISCOVERED, THE PHOTO, WAS DISCOVERED WI A COLLECTOR IN GERMANY WHO
PHOTO, WAS DISCOVERED WI A COLLECTOR IN GERMANY WHO CALLED A FRIEND IN AMERICA
COLLECTOR IN GERMANY WHO CALLED A FRIEND IN AMERICA WHO CALLED TERRY AND SAID BY
CALLED A FRIEND IN AMERICA WHO CALLED TERRY AND SAID BY THE WAY, HAVE YOU SEEN THE
WHO CALLED TERRY AND SAID BY THE WAY, HAVE YOU SEEN THE PICTURE OF LONG DOG WEARING
THE WAY, HAVE YOU SEEN THE PICTURE OF LONG DOG WEARING HIS SHIRT.
PICTURE OF LONG DOG WEARING HIS SHIRT. WOW.
HIS SHIRT. WOW. AND I DON'T HAVE TO TELL
WOW. AND I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU WHAT THAT -- WHAT KIND OF
AND I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU WHAT THAT -- WHAT KIND OF PROVENANCE THAT IS.
YOU WHAT THAT -- WHAT KIND OF PROVENANCE THAT IS. THIS IS ONE OF THE EARLY
PROVENANCE THAT IS. THIS IS ONE OF THE EARLY PICTURES, PHOTOGRAPHS, OF AN
THIS IS ONE OF THE EARLY PICTURES, PHOTOGRAPHS, OF AN INDIAN WEARING THIS.
PICTURES, PHOTOGRAPHS, OF AN INDIAN WEARING THIS. IT'S NOT IN A STUDIO, THIS IS
INDIAN WEARING THIS. IT'S NOT IN A STUDIO, THIS IS JUST SITTING ON A LOG AND WE
IT'S NOT IN A STUDIO, THIS IS JUST SITTING ON A LOG AND WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BUY
JUST SITTING ON A LOG AND WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BUY IT.
WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BUY IT. ALL THE SLEEVES AND ALL THE
IT. ALL THE SLEEVES AND ALL THE WORK COMING DOWN, THOSE ARE
ALL THE SLEEVES AND ALL THE WORK COMING DOWN, THOSE ARE ALL PORCUPINE QUILS.
WORK COMING DOWN, THOSE ARE ALL PORCUPINE QUILS. AND TERRY IDENTIFIED THAT
ALL PORCUPINE QUILS. AND TERRY IDENTIFIED THAT THIS CLUB -- THIS WAS IN A
AND TERRY IDENTIFIED THAT THIS CLUB -- THIS WAS IN A COLLECTION AT CALGARY MUSEUM.
THIS CLUB -- THIS WAS IN A COLLECTION AT CALGARY MUSEUM. THEY JUST SAW IT.
COLLECTION AT CALGARY MUSEUM. THEY JUST SAW IT. SO THAT BATTLE -- THAT IS
THEY JUST SAW IT. SO THAT BATTLE -- THAT IS THE COMPLETE ELEMENT.
SO THAT BATTLE -- THAT IS THE COMPLETE ELEMENT. AND GOING NOW TO YOUR -- ONE
THE COMPLETE ELEMENT. AND GOING NOW TO YOUR -- ONE OF YOUR EARLY COLLECTIONS
AND GOING NOW TO YOUR -- ONE OF YOUR EARLY COLLECTIONS THAT, OF COURSE, THE BASKETS
OF YOUR EARLY COLLECTIONS THAT, OF COURSE, THE BASKETS AND IN THIS PARTICULAR
THAT, OF COURSE, THE BASKETS AND IN THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE AN EARLY
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE AN EARLY PICTURE OF THIS BASKET, AND
EXAMPLE, WE HAVE AN EARLY PICTURE OF THIS BASKET, AND THE IMPORTANCE -- TO AN
PICTURE OF THIS BASKET, AND THE IMPORTANCE -- TO AN IMPORTANT STORE.
THE IMPORTANCE -- TO AN IMPORTANT STORE. THE KPWORUM STORE WAS IN
IMPORTANT STORE. THE KPWORUM STORE WAS IN TAHOE, THE PEOPLE CAME OUT ON
THE KPWORUM STORE WAS IN TAHOE, THE PEOPLE CAME OUT ON THE TRAIN, THE EASTERNERS,
TAHOE, THE PEOPLE CAME OUT ON THE TRAIN, THE EASTERNERS, THE TENDER FOOTS CAME OUT AND
THE TRAIN, THE EASTERNERS, THE TENDER FOOTS CAME OUT AND A FELLOW NAMED ADE COHN OWNED
THE TENDER FOOTS CAME OUT AND A FELLOW NAMED ADE COHN OWNED THE KPWORUM, THE TRAIN WOULD
A FELLOW NAMED ADE COHN OWNED THE KPWORUM, THE TRAIN WOULD STOP, TOURISTS WOULD COME OUT
THE KPWORUM, THE TRAIN WOULD STOP, TOURISTS WOULD COME OUT AND HE ENGAGED THE GREAT
STOP, TOURISTS WOULD COME OUT AND HE ENGAGED THE GREAT LEADERS AND PUT THEM ON A
AND HE ENGAGED THE GREAT LEADERS AND PUT THEM ON A CONTRACT TO MAKE THESE
LEADERS AND PUT THEM ON A CONTRACT TO MAKE THESE BASKETS AND ALSO HELP THEM IN
CONTRACT TO MAKE THESE BASKETS AND ALSO HELP THEM IN TERMS OF WHAT THE AUDIENCE
BASKETS AND ALSO HELP THEM IN TERMS OF WHAT THE AUDIENCE WANTED.
TERMS OF WHAT THE AUDIENCE WANTED. THIS IS A WONDERFUL BASKET,
WANTED. THIS IS A WONDERFUL BASKET, IT'S A GREAT FIND.
THIS IS A WONDERFUL BASKET, IT'S A GREAT FIND. THIS IS AMAZING, JUST THE
IT'S A GREAT FIND. THIS IS AMAZING, JUST THE PERFECTION.
THIS IS AMAZING, JUST THE PERFECTION. ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL BASKET.
PERFECTION. ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL BASKET. IT JUST SHOWS THE ARTISTRY OF
ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL BASKET. IT JUST SHOWS THE ARTISTRY OF THE BASKET WEAVER.
IT JUST SHOWS THE ARTISTRY OF THE BASKET WEAVER. AGAIN, THESE ARE GIFT
THE BASKET WEAVER. AGAIN, THESE ARE GIFT BASKETS, THIS IS WHERE A LOT
AGAIN, THESE ARE GIFT BASKETS, THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF THE BEAUTIFUL BIRDS WENT
BASKETS, THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF THE BEAUTIFUL BIRDS WENT THAT EXISTED MANY YEARS AGO.
OF THE BEAUTIFUL BIRDS WENT THAT EXISTED MANY YEARS AGO. BUT THESE ARE ALL BIRD
THAT EXISTED MANY YEARS AGO. BUT THESE ARE ALL BIRD FEATHERS, MELDED TOGETHER,
BUT THESE ARE ALL BIRD FEATHERS, MELDED TOGETHER, STITCHED IN, AND THEY WERE
FEATHERS, MELDED TOGETHER, STITCHED IN, AND THEY WERE GIVEN ON IMPORTANT OCCASIONS
STITCHED IN, AND THEY WERE GIVEN ON IMPORTANT OCCASIONS LIKE A BIRTHDAY OR A WEDDING,
GIVEN ON IMPORTANT OCCASIONS LIKE A BIRTHDAY OR A WEDDING, OR AN EQUALLY NOTEWORTHY
LIKE A BIRTHDAY OR A WEDDING, OR AN EQUALLY NOTEWORTHY THINGS, AND THAT'S THE WAY
OR AN EQUALLY NOTEWORTHY THINGS, AND THAT'S THE WAY THEY LOOK.
THINGS, AND THAT'S THE WAY THEY LOOK. THEY'VE NOT BEEN ENHANCED THE
THEY LOOK. THEY'VE NOT BEEN ENHANCED THE WAY THEY DO ON THE COVERS OF
THEY'VE NOT BEEN ENHANCED THE WAY THEY DO ON THE COVERS OF VOGUE.
WAY THEY DO ON THE COVERS OF VOGUE. HERE WE HAVE ANOTHER FROM
VOGUE. HERE WE HAVE ANOTHER FROM THE WESTERN.
HERE WE HAVE ANOTHER FROM THE WESTERN. THESE ARE TWO WONDERFUL --
THE WESTERN. THESE ARE TWO WONDERFUL -- THEY ARE CALLED OYAS, THEY
THESE ARE TWO WONDERFUL -- THEY ARE CALLED OYAS, THEY ARE APACHE, THEY ARE OF GREAT
THEY ARE CALLED OYAS, THEY ARE APACHE, THEY ARE OF GREAT SIZE AND SHAPE.
ARE APACHE, THEY ARE OF GREAT SIZE AND SHAPE. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT HAS 160
SIZE AND SHAPE. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT HAS 160 FIGURES ON IT.
THE ONE ON THE RIGHT HAS 160 FIGURES ON IT. I'VE TRIED TO COUNT IT
FIGURES ON IT. I'VE TRIED TO COUNT IT SEVERAL TIMES AND I NEVER
I'VE TRIED TO COUNT IT SEVERAL TIMES AND I NEVER REMEMBER WHERE I START.
SEVERAL TIMES AND I NEVER REMEMBER WHERE I START. BUT I'M TAKING THEIR WORD
REMEMBER WHERE I START. BUT I'M TAKING THEIR WORD THAT IT'S 160.
BUT I'M TAKING THEIR WORD THAT IT'S 160. BUT IT JUST SHOWS THE GREAT
THAT IT'S 160. BUT IT JUST SHOWS THE GREAT CAPABILITY OF THE BASKET
BUT IT JUST SHOWS THE GREAT CAPABILITY OF THE BASKET WEAVER.
CAPABILITY OF THE BASKET WEAVER. AND AGAIN, YOU HAD A --
WEAVER. AND AGAIN, YOU HAD A -- YOU GO VERY DEEP, BUT FROM
AND AGAIN, YOU HAD A -- YOU GO VERY DEEP, BUT FROM TIME TO TIME, SOMETHING
YOU GO VERY DEEP, BUT FROM TIME TO TIME, SOMETHING HAPPENS, AN OPPORTUNITY
TIME TO TIME, SOMETHING HAPPENS, AN OPPORTUNITY APPEARS OR A DEALER CALLS YOU
HAPPENS, AN OPPORTUNITY APPEARS OR A DEALER CALLS YOU AND THERE'S A NEW -- OPENS A
APPEARS OR A DEALER CALLS YOU AND THERE'S A NEW -- OPENS A NEW THREAD AND HERE, FOR
AND THERE'S A NEW -- OPENS A NEW THREAD AND HERE, FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE THESE TWO
NEW THREAD AND HERE, FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE THESE TWO MARVELOUS BLANKETS THAT
INSTANCE, WE HAVE THESE TWO MARVELOUS BLANKETS THAT RESONATE IN KANSAS CITY GIVEN
MARVELOUS BLANKETS THAT RESONATE IN KANSAS CITY GIVEN OUR TRAIN TRADITION, AND HERE
RESONATE IN KANSAS CITY GIVEN OUR TRAIN TRADITION, AND HERE YOU HAVE THIS.
OUR TRAIN TRADITION, AND HERE YOU HAVE THIS. I HAD A WONDERFUL DEALER
YOU HAVE THIS. I HAD A WONDERFUL DEALER WHEN I FIRST STARTED
I HAD A WONDERFUL DEALER WHEN I FIRST STARTED COLLECTING WHO LIVED IN NEW
WHEN I FIRST STARTED COLLECTING WHO LIVED IN NEW YORK AND SHE WOULD BRING ME
COLLECTING WHO LIVED IN NEW YORK AND SHE WOULD BRING ME OBJECTS, AND SHE WAS KIND OF
YORK AND SHE WOULD BRING ME OBJECTS, AND SHE WAS KIND OF MY FIRST MENTOR IN THIS AREA.
OBJECTS, AND SHE WAS KIND OF MY FIRST MENTOR IN THIS AREA. THIS IS BETTER THAN THAT.
MY FIRST MENTOR IN THIS AREA. THIS IS BETTER THAN THAT. ONE DAY, SHE CALLED, SHE KNEW
THIS IS BETTER THAN THAT. ONE DAY, SHE CALLED, SHE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I LIKED.
ONE DAY, SHE CALLED, SHE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I LIKED. IN THOSE DAYS, A BASKET OR
EXACTLY WHAT I LIKED. IN THOSE DAYS, A BASKET OR MAINLY BEAD WORK, TOBACCO
IN THOSE DAYS, A BASKET OR MAINLY BEAD WORK, TOBACCO BAGS.
MAINLY BEAD WORK, TOBACCO BAGS. AND SHE CALLED AND SAID I
BAGS. AND SHE CALLED AND SAID I HAVE A WONDERFUL PIPE BAG,
AND SHE CALLED AND SAID I HAVE A WONDERFUL PIPE BAG, I'D LIKE YOU TO SEE, AND I
HAVE A WONDERFUL PIPE BAG, I'D LIKE YOU TO SEE, AND I SAID I REALLY DON'T HAVE
I'D LIKE YOU TO SEE, AND I SAID I REALLY DON'T HAVE TIME, IT WAS KIND OF NEWS --
SAID I REALLY DON'T HAVE TIME, IT WAS KIND OF NEWS -- THE ENTIRE CREATIVE PEOPLE
TIME, IT WAS KIND OF NEWS -- THE ENTIRE CREATIVE PEOPLE HAD WALKED OUT OF THE COMPANY
THE ENTIRE CREATIVE PEOPLE HAD WALKED OUT OF THE COMPANY AND I SAID I DON'T HAVE TIME
HAD WALKED OUT OF THE COMPANY AND I SAID I DON'T HAVE TIME AND I SAID I'M GOING TO BE
AND I SAID I DON'T HAVE TIME AND I SAID I'M GOING TO BE WORKING UNTIL 8:00,
AND I SAID I'M GOING TO BE WORKING UNTIL 8:00, 9:00 O'CLOCK AND CATCHING A
WORKING UNTIL 8:00, 9:00 O'CLOCK AND CATCHING A PLANE TO L.A. AND SHE SAID
9:00 O'CLOCK AND CATCHING A PLANE TO L.A. AND SHE SAID YOU HAVE TO SEE IT, AND I
PLANE TO L.A. AND SHE SAID YOU HAVE TO SEE IT, AND I HAVE ANOTHER OBJECT, TOO, BUT
YOU HAVE TO SEE IT, AND I HAVE ANOTHER OBJECT, TOO, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE KIND
HAVE ANOTHER OBJECT, TOO, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE KIND THAT WAS GOING ON, AND SHE
YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE KIND THAT WAS GOING ON, AND SHE CAME TO THE OFFICE, I DIDN'T
THAT WAS GOING ON, AND SHE CAME TO THE OFFICE, I DIDN'T LIKE THE PIPE BAG, AND SHE
CAME TO THE OFFICE, I DIDN'T LIKE THE PIPE BAG, AND SHE HAD THIS WRAPPED UP.
LIKE THE PIPE BAG, AND SHE HAD THIS WRAPPED UP. I SAID DON'T BOTHER TO UNWRAP
HAD THIS WRAPPED UP. I SAID DON'T BOTHER TO UNWRAP IT.
I SAID DON'T BOTHER TO UNWRAP IT. I DON'T HAVE TIME, AND I
IT. I DON'T HAVE TIME, AND I DON'T COLLECT RUGS.
I DON'T HAVE TIME, AND I DON'T COLLECT RUGS. AND THEN -- SO SHE IGNORED
DON'T COLLECT RUGS. AND THEN -- SO SHE IGNORED ME, AND UNROLLED IT, AND OUT
AND THEN -- SO SHE IGNORED ME, AND UNROLLED IT, AND OUT CAME THIS, AND I HAD NEVER
ME, AND UNROLLED IT, AND OUT CAME THIS, AND I HAD NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS
CAME THIS, AND I HAD NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.
SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE. NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD OR
BEFORE. NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD OR HAVE.
NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD OR HAVE. AND IT'S A WONDERFUL PIECE
HAVE. AND IT'S A WONDERFUL PIECE WITH A CHOO-CHOO TRAIN IN THE
AND IT'S A WONDERFUL PIECE WITH A CHOO-CHOO TRAIN IN THE MIDDLE,THIS THIS IS A NAVAJO
WITH A CHOO-CHOO TRAIN IN THE MIDDLE,THIS THIS IS A NAVAJO BLANKET AND IT'S CALLED
MIDDLE,THIS THIS IS A NAVAJO BLANKET AND IT'S CALLED GERMAN TOWN BECAUSE ALL THE
BLANKET AND IT'S CALLED GERMAN TOWN BECAUSE ALL THE WOOL CAME FROM GERMAN TOWN,
GERMAN TOWN BECAUSE ALL THE WOOL CAME FROM GERMAN TOWN, PENNSYLVANIA, IT HAS HALF
WOOL CAME FROM GERMAN TOWN, PENNSYLVANIA, IT HAS HALF COW, HALF PIG, IT HAS PEOPLE
PENNSYLVANIA, IT HAS HALF COW, HALF PIG, IT HAS PEOPLE STANDING ON THE TRAIN, IT HAS
COW, HALF PIG, IT HAS PEOPLE STANDING ON THE TRAIN, IT HAS THESE WONDERFUL FIGURES WHICH
STANDING ON THE TRAIN, IT HAS THESE WONDERFUL FIGURES WHICH ARE MOST LIKELY MENNONNITE
THESE WONDERFUL FIGURES WHICH ARE MOST LIKELY MENNONNITE PEOPLPLE PROSELYTIZING, WHICH
ARE MOST LIKELY MENNONNITE PEOPLPLE PROSELYTIZING, WHICH THEY DID, AND IT'S WHIMSICAL,
PEOPLPLE PROSELYTIZING, WHICH THEY DID, AND IT'S WHIMSICAL, IT'S A FOLK ART PIECE AS MUCH
THEY DID, AND IT'S WHIMSICAL, IT'S A FOLK ART PIECE AS MUCH AS AN INDIAN PIECE.
IT'S A FOLK ART PIECE AS MUCH AS AN INDIAN PIECE. WE ARE PRIVILEGED.
AS AN INDIAN PIECE. WE ARE PRIVILEGED. THIS WAS IN THE FIRST SHOW
WE ARE PRIVILEGED. THIS WAS IN THE FIRST SHOW THAT THE AMERICAN MUSEUM OF
THIS WAS IN THE FIRST SHOW THAT THE AMERICAN MUSEUM OF FOLK ART HAD.
THAT THE AMERICAN MUSEUM OF FOLK ART HAD. THEY ONLY HAD TWO INDIAN
FOLK ART HAD. THEY ONLY HAD TWO INDIAN PIECES.
THEY ONLY HAD TWO INDIAN PIECES. WHAT ABOUT THIS ONE?
PIECES. WHAT ABOUT THIS ONE? IT'S A BLANKET I SAW WHEN
WHAT ABOUT THIS ONE? IT'S A BLANKET I SAW WHEN TERRY AND I WERE AT INDIAN
IT'S A BLANKET I SAW WHEN TERRY AND I WERE AT INDIAN MARKET.
TERRY AND I WERE AT INDIAN MARKET. IT'S A VERY WHIMSICAL PIECE,
MARKET. IT'S A VERY WHIMSICAL PIECE, A WONDERFUL PIECE, AND IT'S
IT'S A VERY WHIMSICAL PIECE, A WONDERFUL PIECE, AND IT'S PEOPLE ON -- THESE ARE PEOPLE
A WONDERFUL PIECE, AND IT'S PEOPLE ON -- THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE RESERVATION, OR
PEOPLE ON -- THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE RESERVATION, OR THE RES, AS WE CALL IT.
WHO RUN THE RESERVATION, OR THE RES, AS WE CALL IT. IN ONE PLACE, THEY ARE
THE RES, AS WE CALL IT. IN ONE PLACE, THEY ARE CLEARLY BOUNCING OFF THE SEAT
IN ONE PLACE, THEY ARE CLEARLY BOUNCING OFF THE SEAT AND THE OTHER THEY'RE ON THE
CLEARLY BOUNCING OFF THE SEAT AND THE OTHER THEY'RE ON THE SEAT AND THE OTHER, THEY ARE
AND THE OTHER THEY'RE ON THE SEAT AND THE OTHER, THEY ARE BEING PUSHED FORWARD ON THE
SEAT AND THE OTHER, THEY ARE BEING PUSHED FORWARD ON THE SEAT.
BEING PUSHED FORWARD ON THE SEAT. THE LANGUAGE EXPERTS TELL ME
SEAT. THE LANGUAGE EXPERTS TELL ME WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS, AND HE
THE LANGUAGE EXPERTS TELL ME WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS, AND HE SAYS THE LANGUAGE IS A BUNCH
WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS, AND HE SAYS THE LANGUAGE IS A BUNCH OF LETTERS.
SAYS THE LANGUAGE IS A BUNCH OF LETTERS. [LAUGHTER]
OF LETTERS. [LAUGHTER] IT'S THE ONES THAT SEEM TO
[LAUGHTER] IT'S THE ONES THAT SEEM TO WORK.
IT'S THE ONES THAT SEEM TO WORK. BUT IT'S VERY -- IT'S JUST
WORK. BUT IT'S VERY -- IT'S JUST FUN, AND, AGAIN, IT'S
BUT IT'S VERY -- IT'S JUST FUN, AND, AGAIN, IT'S EXEMPLARY OF THE CULTURE OF
FUN, AND, AGAIN, IT'S EXEMPLARY OF THE CULTURE OF THESE PEOPLE, AND YOU KNOW,
EXEMPLARY OF THE CULTURE OF THESE PEOPLE, AND YOU KNOW, HOW THEY LIKED LIFE.
THESE PEOPLE, AND YOU KNOW, HOW THEY LIKED LIFE. THIS IS THE EXCEPTION IN A
HOW THEY LIKED LIFE. THIS IS THE EXCEPTION IN A WAY TO THE RULE.
THIS IS THE EXCEPTION IN A WAY TO THE RULE. LET'S CALL IT THE DEEPER END
WAY TO THE RULE. LET'S CALL IT THE DEEPER END OF THE TOBACCO BAG.
LET'S CALL IT THE DEEPER END OF THE TOBACCO BAG. OKAY.
OF THE TOBACCO BAG. OKAY. BECAUSE THEY ARE SO
OKAY. BECAUSE THEY ARE SO DIFFERENT, EACH, VERY EARLY.
BECAUSE THEY ARE SO DIFFERENT, EACH, VERY EARLY. THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY
DIFFERENT, EACH, VERY EARLY. THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY OBJECT, IT DATES TO THE TIME
THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY OBJECT, IT DATES TO THE TIME OF LEWIS AND CLARK, PRINCE
OBJECT, IT DATES TO THE TIME OF LEWIS AND CLARK, PRINCE MAXMILLAN AND CARL BAUBER
OF LEWIS AND CLARK, PRINCE MAXMILLAN AND CARL BAUBER CAME TO JARREAUO FROM
MAXMILLAN AND CARL BAUBER CAME TO JARREAUO FROM GERMANY, FOLLOWED THE ROUTE
CAME TO JARREAUO FROM GERMANY, FOLLOWED THE ROUTE OF LEWIS AND CLARK, AND THESE
GERMANY, FOLLOWED THE ROUTE OF LEWIS AND CLARK, AND THESE ARE THE PONY BEADS, IT WAS
OF LEWIS AND CLARK, AND THESE ARE THE PONY BEADS, IT WAS OWNED BY SOMEBODY IMPORTANT,
ARE THE PONY BEADS, IT WAS OWNED BY SOMEBODY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THE RED BEADS ARE
OWNED BY SOMEBODY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THE RED BEADS ARE INFUSED WITH GOLD TO GIVE
BECAUSE THE RED BEADS ARE INFUSED WITH GOLD TO GIVE THEM THAT DEEP RED COLOR AND
INFUSED WITH GOLD TO GIVE THEM THAT DEEP RED COLOR AND IT'S A VERY SIMPLE BAG BUT TO
THEM THAT DEEP RED COLOR AND IT'S A VERY SIMPLE BAG BUT TO ME, IN A WAY ABSTRACT, AND IT
IT'S A VERY SIMPLE BAG BUT TO ME, IN A WAY ABSTRACT, AND IT HAS, AGAIN, THE PORPU --
ME, IN A WAY ABSTRACT, AND IT HAS, AGAIN, THE PORPU -- PORCUPINE QUILS ON THE TOP.
HAS, AGAIN, THE PORPU -- PORCUPINE QUILS ON THE TOP. THE INSIDE OF THE BAG IS
PORCUPINE QUILS ON THE TOP. THE INSIDE OF THE BAG IS PAINTED.
THE INSIDE OF THE BAG IS PAINTED. IT'S VERY INTERESTING.
PAINTED. IT'S VERY INTERESTING. AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE.
IT'S VERY INTERESTING. AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE. IT'S MORE COMMON, AND AGAIN,
AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE. IT'S MORE COMMON, AND AGAIN, IT'S A KIND OF ABSTRACTION.
IT'S MORE COMMON, AND AGAIN, IT'S A KIND OF ABSTRACTION. THIS IS A WONDERFUL
IT'S A KIND OF ABSTRACTION. THIS IS A WONDERFUL CHEYENNE TOBACCO BAG.
THIS IS A WONDERFUL CHEYENNE TOBACCO BAG. I HAD IT FOR MANY YEARS
CHEYENNE TOBACCO BAG. I HAD IT FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE I REALIZED -- THAT
I HAD IT FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE I REALIZED -- THAT SHOWS YOU HOW OBSERVANT I AM
BEFORE I REALIZED -- THAT SHOWS YOU HOW OBSERVANT I AM SOMETIMES -- THE YELLOW
SHOWS YOU HOW OBSERVANT I AM SOMETIMES -- THE YELLOW FIGURES ARE ANIMALS.
SOMETIMES -- THE YELLOW FIGURES ARE ANIMALS. THEY ARE PROBABLY DEER OR
FIGURES ARE ANIMALS. THEY ARE PROBABLY DEER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY ARE PROBABLY DEER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST A
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST A DEMONSTRATION OF THE VERY
BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST A DEMONSTRATION OF THE VERY TYPE OF --
DEMONSTRATION OF THE VERY TYPE OF -- THE SUBTLETY.
TYPE OF -- THE SUBTLETY. YES.
THE SUBTLETY. YES. AND HERE IS ONE, ALSO,
YES. AND HERE IS ONE, ALSO, THAT IS SO BEAUTIFUL.
AND HERE IS ONE, ALSO, THAT IS SO BEAUTIFUL. THIS IS FUN.
THAT IS SO BEAUTIFUL. THIS IS FUN. THIS IS A BAG I TOOK -- I
THIS IS FUN. THIS IS A BAG I TOOK -- I LIKED, BUT IT TOOK A LONG
THIS IS A BAG I TOOK -- I LIKED, BUT IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO BUY IT BECAUSE THE
LIKED, BUT IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO BUY IT BECAUSE THE DEALER WAS NOT THE MOST
TIME TO BUY IT BECAUSE THE DEALER WAS NOT THE MOST PLEASANT PERSON IN THE WORLD
DEALER WAS NOT THE MOST PLEASANT PERSON IN THE WORLD TO DEAL WITH.
PLEASANT PERSON IN THE WORLD TO DEAL WITH. BUT IT'S A RAPPAHO BAG AND
TO DEAL WITH. BUT IT'S A RAPPAHO BAG AND THE FOUR TURTLES ON THE SIDE,
BUT IT'S A RAPPAHO BAG AND THE FOUR TURTLES ON THE SIDE, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK THEY
THE FOUR TURTLES ON THE SIDE, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK THEY ARE, REPRESENTS THE DIFFERENT
WHICH IS WHAT I THINK THEY ARE, REPRESENTS THE DIFFERENT SEASONS AND THE TREE THAT WAS
ARE, REPRESENTS THE DIFFERENT SEASONS AND THE TREE THAT WAS IN FLIGHT, BUT IT SHOWS YOU
SEASONS AND THE TREE THAT WAS IN FLIGHT, BUT IT SHOWS YOU THE IMAGINATION OF THE PEOPLE
IN FLIGHT, BUT IT SHOWS YOU THE IMAGINATION OF THE PEOPLE AND THEIR ABILITY TO EXECUTE
THE IMAGINATION OF THE PEOPLE AND THEIR ABILITY TO EXECUTE THE DESIGNS WHICH ARE QUITE
AND THEIR ABILITY TO EXECUTE THE DESIGNS WHICH ARE QUITE EXTRAORDINARY.
THE DESIGNS WHICH ARE QUITE EXTRAORDINARY. AND AGAIN, ANOTHER TYPE OF
EXTRAORDINARY. AND AGAIN, ANOTHER TYPE OF BAG, BUT IT'S KNOWN AS OCCUPO
AND AGAIN, ANOTHER TYPE OF BAG, BUT IT'S KNOWN AS OCCUPO PUS BAGS -- OCTOPUS DAGS AND
BAG, BUT IT'S KNOWN AS OCCUPO PUS BAGS -- OCTOPUS DAGS AND VERY DIFFERENT.
PUS BAGS -- OCTOPUS DAGS AND VERY DIFFERENT. THIS IS --
VERY DIFFERENT. THIS IS -- IT REPRESENTS THE BEAUTY,
THIS IS -- IT REPRESENTS THE BEAUTY, THE SHEER QUALITY.
IT REPRESENTS THE BEAUTY, THE SHEER QUALITY. THEY ARE CALLED OCTOPUS
THE SHEER QUALITY. THEY ARE CALLED OCTOPUS BAGS BECAUSE OF THE SO CALLED
THEY ARE CALLED OCTOPUS BAGS BECAUSE OF THE SO CALLED TENTACLES COMING DOWN ON THE
BAGS BECAUSE OF THE SO CALLED TENTACLES COMING DOWN ON THE BOTTOM, THESE WERE CARRIED BY
TENTACLES COMING DOWN ON THE BOTTOM, THESE WERE CARRIED BY WOMEN AND YOU CAN SEE THE
BOTTOM, THESE WERE CARRIED BY WOMEN AND YOU CAN SEE THE INFLUENCE OF THE FRENCH
WOMEN AND YOU CAN SEE THE INFLUENCE OF THE FRENCH POPULATION THAT WAS IN CANADA
INFLUENCE OF THE FRENCH POPULATION THAT WAS IN CANADA AND THE NORTHERN PART OF THE
POPULATION THAT WAS IN CANADA AND THE NORTHERN PART OF THE UNITED STATES.
AND THE NORTHERN PART OF THE UNITED STATES. THOSE ARE NEEDLEPOINT ON THAT
UNITED STATES. THOSE ARE NEEDLEPOINT ON THAT AND THESE ARE ALL
THOSE ARE NEEDLEPOINT ON THAT AND THESE ARE ALL EXTRAORDINARY BEADWORK, AND I
AND THESE ARE ALL EXTRAORDINARY BEADWORK, AND I JUST VISUALLY, I THINK IT'S
EXTRAORDINARY BEADWORK, AND I JUST VISUALLY, I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING
JUST VISUALLY, I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING PIECES WE HAVE.
ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING PIECES WE HAVE. THEY ARE NOT EASY TO COME BY.
PIECES WE HAVE. THEY ARE NOT EASY TO COME BY. I KIND OF CHASED THIS FOR
THEY ARE NOT EASY TO COME BY. I KIND OF CHASED THIS FOR YEARS, BUT I JUST -- I MEAN,
I KIND OF CHASED THIS FOR YEARS, BUT I JUST -- I MEAN, THIS IS ONE OF THE RARE ONES,
YEARS, BUT I JUST -- I MEAN, THIS IS ONE OF THE RARE ONES, BUT IT'S STILL 140 YEARS OLD.
THIS IS ONE OF THE RARE ONES, BUT IT'S STILL 140 YEARS OLD. THE CONSERVATION, ALL YOUR
BUT IT'S STILL 140 YEARS OLD. THE CONSERVATION, ALL YOUR PIECES ARE IN IMMACULATE
THE CONSERVATION, ALL YOUR PIECES ARE IN IMMACULATE CONDITION.
PIECES ARE IN IMMACULATE CONDITION. VERY LITTLE HAVE WE DONE
CONDITION. VERY LITTLE HAVE WE DONE MUCH WORK WITH CONSERVATION.
VERY LITTLE HAVE WE DONE MUCH WORK WITH CONSERVATION. WE REALLY HAVEN'T.
MUCH WORK WITH CONSERVATION. WE REALLY HAVEN'T. I LIKE SOMETHING TO LOOK LIKE
WE REALLY HAVEN'T. I LIKE SOMETHING TO LOOK LIKE IT LOOKED LIKE, RATHER THAN
I LIKE SOMETHING TO LOOK LIKE IT LOOKED LIKE, RATHER THAN WHAT AN ARTIST THINKS IT
IT LOOKED LIKE, RATHER THAN WHAT AN ARTIST THINKS IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
WHAT AN ARTIST THINKS IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE. BUT ALSO THE
SHOULD LOOK LIKE. BUT ALSO THE PHOTOGRAPHING, THE QUALITY OF
BUT ALSO THE PHOTOGRAPHING, THE QUALITY OF THE PHOTOS.
PHOTOGRAPHING, THE QUALITY OF THE PHOTOS. WE HAD A YOUNG MAN IN
THE PHOTOS. WE HAD A YOUNG MAN IN JACKSON HOLE, ACTUALLY, WHO
WE HAD A YOUNG MAN IN JACKSON HOLE, ACTUALLY, WHO TOOK ALL THESE PICTURES OVER
JACKSON HOLE, ACTUALLY, WHO TOOK ALL THESE PICTURES OVER A PERIOD OF A COUPLE OF
TOOK ALL THESE PICTURES OVER A PERIOD OF A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND EVERY ONE I SHOW
A PERIOD OF A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND EVERY ONE I SHOW THE BOOK TO OR HAVE SEEN THE
YEARS, AND EVERY ONE I SHOW THE BOOK TO OR HAVE SEEN THE BOOK WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE
THE BOOK TO OR HAVE SEEN THE BOOK WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE GOT THE PHOTOGRAPHY, WAS IT
BOOK WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE GOT THE PHOTOGRAPHY, WAS IT LOS ANGELES, NEW YORK, AND I
GOT THE PHOTOGRAPHY, WAS IT LOS ANGELES, NEW YORK, AND I SAID IT WAS JACKSON HOLE.
LOS ANGELES, NEW YORK, AND I SAID IT WAS JACKSON HOLE. THIS IS PERHAPS ONE OF THE
SAID IT WAS JACKSON HOLE. THIS IS PERHAPS ONE OF THE MOST ASTONISHING PIECES WE'VE
THIS IS PERHAPS ONE OF THE MOST ASTONISHING PIECES WE'VE SEEN AND THE ANECDOTE BEHIND
MOST ASTONISHING PIECES WE'VE SEEN AND THE ANECDOTE BEHIND HOW YOU GOT THE PIECE IS
SEEN AND THE ANECDOTE BEHIND HOW YOU GOT THE PIECE IS INTERESTING.
HOW YOU GOT THE PIECE IS INTERESTING. IT'S AN INTERESTING PIECE.
INTERESTING. IT'S AN INTERESTING PIECE. IT'S, FOR LACK OF A BETTER
IT'S AN INTERESTING PIECE. IT'S, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, IT'S CALLED A CHARM
IT'S, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, IT'S CALLED A CHARM BAG, AND IT WOULD FIT AROUND
WORD, IT'S CALLED A CHARM BAG, AND IT WOULD FIT AROUND THE NECK, THERE WAS A STRING
BAG, AND IT WOULD FIT AROUND THE NECK, THERE WAS A STRING AROUND THE BACK AND HE
THE NECK, THERE WAS A STRING AROUND THE BACK AND HE CARRIED IT LIKE A BREAST
AROUND THE BACK AND HE CARRIED IT LIKE A BREAST PLATE.
CARRIED IT LIKE A BREAST PLATE. THIS IS POTTAWATOMIE, THIS
PLATE. THIS IS POTTAWATOMIE, THIS GENERAL AREA WHERE YOU ALL
THIS IS POTTAWATOMIE, THIS GENERAL AREA WHERE YOU ALL LIVE AND THE POTTAWATOMIE
GENERAL AREA WHERE YOU ALL LIVE AND THE POTTAWATOMIE WERE VERY VICIOUS FIGHTERS,
LIVE AND THE POTTAWATOMIE WERE VERY VICIOUS FIGHTERS, AND WHEN THEY WERE IN A
WERE VERY VICIOUS FIGHTERS, AND WHEN THEY WERE IN A FIGHT, AND WHEN IT WAS OVER,
AND WHEN THEY WERE IN A FIGHT, AND WHEN IT WAS OVER, THEY WOULD CUT OFF THEIR
FIGHT, AND WHEN IT WAS OVER, THEY WOULD CUT OFF THEIR VICTIM'S ARMS AT THE ELBOW,
THEY WOULD CUT OFF THEIR VICTIM'S ARMS AT THE ELBOW, SO THE RED REALLY REPRESENTS
VICTIM'S ARMS AT THE ELBOW, SO THE RED REALLY REPRESENTS BLOOD.
SO THE RED REALLY REPRESENTS BLOOD. IT'S A UNIQUE PIECE.
BLOOD. IT'S A UNIQUE PIECE. AND IT WAS VERY EXCITING, THE
IT'S A UNIQUE PIECE. AND IT WAS VERY EXCITING, THE MOMENT I SAW IT, AND IT CAME,
AND IT WAS VERY EXCITING, THE MOMENT I SAW IT, AND IT CAME, ADDITIONALLY, WITH THESE TWO
MOMENT I SAW IT, AND IT CAME, ADDITIONALLY, WITH THESE TWO FIGURES.
ADDITIONALLY, WITH THESE TWO FIGURES. THE FIGURES HAD BEEN KNOWN,
FIGURES. THE FIGURES HAD BEEN KNOWN, BUT NEVER IN CONJUNCTION WITH
THE FIGURES HAD BEEN KNOWN, BUT NEVER IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BAG THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE
BUT NEVER IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BAG THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE GONE WITH.
THE BAG THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE GONE WITH. AND I THINK THEY ARE
GONE WITH. AND I THINK THEY ARE FERTILITY FIGURES, THEY HAVE
AND I THINK THEY ARE FERTILITY FIGURES, THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF ANTHROPHOMORPHIC
FERTILITY FIGURES, THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF ANTHROPHOMORPHIC FEELING BETWEEN THE TWO AND
SOME SORT OF ANTHROPHOMORPHIC FEELING BETWEEN THE TWO AND THEY'VE NEVER BEEN ACTUALLY
FEELING BETWEEN THE TWO AND THEY'VE NEVER BEEN ACTUALLY SEEN FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THEY'VE NEVER BEEN ACTUALLY SEEN FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND THE PIECES THAT ARE
SEEN FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND THE PIECES THAT ARE EXCEPTIONAL FOR THEIR BEAUTY,
AND THE PIECES THAT ARE EXCEPTIONAL FOR THEIR BEAUTY, THEIR SIMPLICITY, SOMEHOW
EXCEPTIONAL FOR THEIR BEAUTY, THEIR SIMPLICITY, SOMEHOW IT'S JUST THE ARRESTING
THEIR SIMPLICITY, SOMEHOW IT'S JUST THE ARRESTING VISUAL EFFECTS, AND AGAIN,
IT'S JUST THE ARRESTING VISUAL EFFECTS, AND AGAIN, THE ABSTRACTION, THE
VISUAL EFFECTS, AND AGAIN, THE ABSTRACTION, THE FORMALITY.
THE ABSTRACTION, THE FORMALITY. AND THIS IS -- THESE ARE,
FORMALITY. AND THIS IS -- THESE ARE, AGAIN, VERY IMPORTANT PIECES.
AND THIS IS -- THESE ARE, AGAIN, VERY IMPORTANT PIECES. THIS IS A YUTE BASKET, A
AGAIN, VERY IMPORTANT PIECES. THIS IS A YUTE BASKET, A YUTE SHIRT, AND WHAT I LIKED
THIS IS A YUTE BASKET, A YUTE SHIRT, AND WHAT I LIKED ABOUT IT, IT'S VERY SIMPLE,
YUTE SHIRT, AND WHAT I LIKED ABOUT IT, IT'S VERY SIMPLE, IT DOESN'T HAVE BEADS ALL
ABOUT IT, IT'S VERY SIMPLE, IT DOESN'T HAVE BEADS ALL OVER, IT JUST HAS A
IT DOESN'T HAVE BEADS ALL OVER, IT JUST HAS A SIMPLICITY TO IT, THAT IN
OVER, IT JUST HAS A SIMPLICITY TO IT, THAT IN ITSELF IS A WORK OF ART.
SIMPLICITY TO IT, THAT IN ITSELF IS A WORK OF ART. IT HAS THESE PHEUFRORS, IT --
ITSELF IS A WORK OF ART. IT HAS THESE PHEUFRORS, IT -- MIRRORS, IT HAD THE WONDERFUL
IT HAS THESE PHEUFRORS, IT -- MIRRORS, IT HAD THE WONDERFUL STRAND OF BUCKSKIN COMING
MIRRORS, IT HAD THE WONDERFUL STRAND OF BUCKSKIN COMING DOWN, UNLIKE ANY OTHER SHIRT
STRAND OF BUCKSKIN COMING DOWN, UNLIKE ANY OTHER SHIRT I HAD EVER SEEN, AND IT'S
DOWN, UNLIKE ANY OTHER SHIRT I HAD EVER SEEN, AND IT'S JUST --
I HAD EVER SEEN, AND IT'S JUST -- FANTASTIC.
JUST -- FANTASTIC. SO ME, A VERY WONDERFUL
FANTASTIC. SO ME, A VERY WONDERFUL PIECE.
SO ME, A VERY WONDERFUL PIECE. HERE, ANOTHER ONE THAT IS
PIECE. HERE, ANOTHER ONE THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE
HERE, ANOTHER ONE THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE ABSTRACTION.
AN EXAMPLE OF THE ABSTRACTION. THIS IS ALSO A VERY IMPORTANT
ABSTRACTION. THIS IS ALSO A VERY IMPORTANT TRADITION, AND YOU HAVE
THIS IS ALSO A VERY IMPORTANT TRADITION, AND YOU HAVE INCREDIBLE ONES IN YOUR
TRADITION, AND YOU HAVE INCREDIBLE ONES IN YOUR COLLECTION.
INCREDIBLE ONES IN YOUR COLLECTION. THESE ARE CRADLE BOARDS,
COLLECTION. THESE ARE CRADLE BOARDS, KIAWA, COMANCHE, WHERE I GREW
THESE ARE CRADLE BOARDS, KIAWA, COMANCHE, WHERE I GREW UP IN OKLAHOMA, AND THEY ARE
KIAWA, COMANCHE, WHERE I GREW UP IN OKLAHOMA, AND THEY ARE EXQUISITE TO ME, EXQUISITE
UP IN OKLAHOMA, AND THEY ARE EXQUISITE TO ME, EXQUISITE ITEMS, AND AGAIN, THE COLOR
EXQUISITE TO ME, EXQUISITE ITEMS, AND AGAIN, THE COLOR PALLET, WHEN YOU LOOK AT
ITEMS, AND AGAIN, THE COLOR PALLET, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT,
PALLET, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, IT'S SOMEWHAT LIKE A PERSIAN
THIS, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, IT'S SOMEWHAT LIKE A PERSIAN RUG, ALMOST, AND THE KIOWA
IT'S SOMEWHAT LIKE A PERSIAN RUG, ALMOST, AND THE KIOWA HAS THESE WONDERFUL SYMBOLS
RUG, ALMOST, AND THE KIOWA HAS THESE WONDERFUL SYMBOLS AND SO ON.
HAS THESE WONDERFUL SYMBOLS AND SO ON. AND THEY ARE LIKE
AND SO ON. AND THEY ARE LIKE PAINTINGS, AND THE PAR FLESH,
AND THEY ARE LIKE PAINTINGS, AND THE PAR FLESH, OF WHICH *** TORRENCE IS
PAINTINGS, AND THE PAR FLESH, OF WHICH *** TORRENCE IS AN EXPERT INTERNATIONALLY.
OF WHICH *** TORRENCE IS AN EXPERT INTERNATIONALLY. HE WROTE A GREAT BOOK ON
AN EXPERT INTERNATIONALLY. HE WROTE A GREAT BOOK ON THIS AND THESE ARE CHEYENNE,
HE WROTE A GREAT BOOK ON THIS AND THESE ARE CHEYENNE, THEY DATE FROM 1850, THEY ARE
THIS AND THESE ARE CHEYENNE, THEY DATE FROM 1850, THEY ARE ON BUFFALO, AND THEY HAVE, TO
THEY DATE FROM 1850, THEY ARE ON BUFFALO, AND THEY HAVE, TO ME, AGAIN, A VERY
ON BUFFALO, AND THEY HAVE, TO ME, AGAIN, A VERY CONTEMPORARY KIND OF ART
ME, AGAIN, A VERY CONTEMPORARY KIND OF ART HERE.
CONTEMPORARY KIND OF ART HERE. THIS COULD BE PAINTINGS, IT
HERE. THIS COULD BE PAINTINGS, IT COULD BE ANYTHING.
THIS COULD BE PAINTINGS, IT COULD BE ANYTHING. THESE WERE THEIR KIND OF
COULD BE ANYTHING. THESE WERE THEIR KIND OF SUITCASES.
THESE WERE THEIR KIND OF SUITCASES. THEY COULD PUT FOOD IN THEM
SUITCASES. THEY COULD PUT FOOD IN THEM AND ANY OTHER OBJECT, AND
THEY COULD PUT FOOD IN THEM AND ANY OTHER OBJECT, AND THEN THESE BAGS ARE CALLED
AND ANY OTHER OBJECT, AND THEN THESE BAGS ARE CALLED POSSIBLE, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT
THEN THESE BAGS ARE CALLED POSSIBLE, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WAS FOR ANYTHING POSSIBLE,
POSSIBLE, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WAS FOR ANYTHING POSSIBLE, AND THEY WERE THEIR KIND OF
WAS FOR ANYTHING POSSIBLE, AND THEY WERE THEIR KIND OF SADDLE BAGS.
AND THEY WERE THEIR KIND OF SADDLE BAGS. AND AGAIN, GREAT ART.
SADDLE BAGS. AND AGAIN, GREAT ART. I MEAN, IF YOU HAD TO SAY,
AND AGAIN, GREAT ART. I MEAN, IF YOU HAD TO SAY, PICK ONE OBJECT, THAT SAID
I MEAN, IF YOU HAD TO SAY, PICK ONE OBJECT, THAT SAID TELL ME ABOUT THESE PEOPLE,
PICK ONE OBJECT, THAT SAID TELL ME ABOUT THESE PEOPLE, DO THEY REALLY KNOW HOW TO DO
TELL ME ABOUT THESE PEOPLE, DO THEY REALLY KNOW HOW TO DO THINGS, ARE THEY ARTISTIC, DO
DO THEY REALLY KNOW HOW TO DO THINGS, ARE THEY ARTISTIC, DO THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SENSE
THINGS, ARE THEY ARTISTIC, DO THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SENSE OF COLOR AND DESIGN, YOU JUST
THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SENSE OF COLOR AND DESIGN, YOU JUST SHOW THEM THIS.
OF COLOR AND DESIGN, YOU JUST SHOW THEM THIS. HOW CAN A SAVAGE DO THIS?
SHOW THEM THIS. HOW CAN A SAVAGE DO THIS? WHAT ARE WE BEING TAUGHT.
HOW CAN A SAVAGE DO THIS? WHAT ARE WE BEING TAUGHT. YEAH.
WHAT ARE WE BEING TAUGHT. YEAH. THIS WAS DONE BY AGNELLI,
YEAH. THIS WAS DONE BY AGNELLI, ARGUABLY THE GREATEST BEAD
THIS WAS DONE BY AGNELLI, ARGUABLY THE GREATEST BEAD WORKER THERE WAS.
ARGUABLY THE GREATEST BEAD WORKER THERE WAS. TWO BEARS WAS THE FATHER OF
WORKER THERE WAS. TWO BEARS WAS THE FATHER OF NELLY GATES, HE WAS A VERY
TWO BEARS WAS THE FATHER OF NELLY GATES, HE WAS A VERY FAMOUS INDIAN CHIEF WHO WON
NELLY GATES, HE WAS A VERY FAMOUS INDIAN CHIEF WHO WON GREAT BATTLES IN HIS LIFE,
FAMOUS INDIAN CHIEF WHO WON GREAT BATTLES IN HIS LIFE, AND HE IS WELL-WRITTEN ABOUT,
GREAT BATTLES IN HIS LIFE, AND HE IS WELL-WRITTEN ABOUT, AND AGAIN, HER ABILITY TO
AND HE IS WELL-WRITTEN ABOUT, AND AGAIN, HER ABILITY TO MELD THESE COLORS AND THESE
AND AGAIN, HER ABILITY TO MELD THESE COLORS AND THESE OBJECTS IS REALLY -- IT'S
MELD THESE COLORS AND THESE OBJECTS IS REALLY -- IT'S QUITE EXTRAORDINARY.
OBJECTS IS REALLY -- IT'S QUITE EXTRAORDINARY. THE BAG WAS STOLEN FROM THE
QUITE EXTRAORDINARY. THE BAG WAS STOLEN FROM THE GRANDDAUGHTER, SUSAN, AND IT
THE BAG WAS STOLEN FROM THE GRANDDAUGHTER, SUSAN, AND IT WAS BOUGHT BY A COLLECTOR AT
GRANDDAUGHTER, SUSAN, AND IT WAS BOUGHT BY A COLLECTOR AT SOME SORT OF OFF BEAT PLACE
WAS BOUGHT BY A COLLECTOR AT SOME SORT OF OFF BEAT PLACE AND HE SOMEHOW READ UP ON HER
SOME SORT OF OFF BEAT PLACE AND HE SOMEHOW READ UP ON HER AND DETERMINED THAT THIS WAS
AND HE SOMEHOW READ UP ON HER AND DETERMINED THAT THIS WAS HER BAG, AND IT COULDN'T HAVE
AND DETERMINED THAT THIS WAS HER BAG, AND IT COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY SOLD FOR THE FEW
HER BAG, AND IT COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY SOLD FOR THE FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS THAT WAS
POSSIBLY SOLD FOR THE FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS THAT WAS PROBABLY PAID, AND HE BROUGHT
HUNDRED DOLLARS THAT WAS PROBABLY PAID, AND HE BROUGHT IT BACK TO HER, MANY YEARS
PROBABLY PAID, AND HE BROUGHT IT BACK TO HER, MANY YEARS LATER, AND WE WERE FORTUNATE
IT BACK TO HER, MANY YEARS LATER, AND WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH, AFTERWARDS, TO HEAR
LATER, AND WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH, AFTERWARDS, TO HEAR FROM HER AND HAVE THE --
ENOUGH, AFTERWARDS, TO HEAR FROM HER AND HAVE THE -- REALLY THE HONOR TO OWN THIS.
FROM HER AND HAVE THE -- REALLY THE HONOR TO OWN THIS. TO OWN THIS BAG.
REALLY THE HONOR TO OWN THIS. TO OWN THIS BAG. YES, THIS IS DINED OF --
TO OWN THIS BAG. YES, THIS IS DINED OF -- KIND OF LIKE THE -- IS IT THE
YES, THIS IS DINED OF -- KIND OF LIKE THE -- IS IT THE -- I CAN NEVER REMEMBER --
KIND OF LIKE THE -- IS IT THE -- I CAN NEVER REMEMBER -- THE PATIK PHILIPPE.
-- I CAN NEVER REMEMBER -- THE PATIK PHILIPPE. THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT A LOT
THE PATIK PHILIPPE. THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT A LOT OF THESE OBJECTS.
THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT A LOT OF THESE OBJECTS. AND LAST TIME YOU WERE
OF THESE OBJECTS. AND LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, YOU PRESENTED US WITH
AND LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, YOU PRESENTED US WITH AN AMAZING GIFT IN HONOR OF
HERE, YOU PRESENTED US WITH AN AMAZING GIFT IN HONOR OF YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH
AN AMAZING GIFT IN HONOR OF YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH *** AND THE INCREDIBLE
YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH *** AND THE INCREDIBLE DEPLOYMENT OF OUR NATIVE
*** AND THE INCREDIBLE DEPLOYMENT OF OUR NATIVE AMERICAN COLLECTION, AND HERE
DEPLOYMENT OF OUR NATIVE AMERICAN COLLECTION, AND HERE THERE IS THAT CELEBRATION,
AMERICAN COLLECTION, AND HERE THERE IS THAT CELEBRATION, AND THIS TOBACCO BAG, YOU
THERE IS THAT CELEBRATION, AND THIS TOBACCO BAG, YOU STILL HAVE A LOT OF AFFECTION
AND THIS TOBACCO BAG, YOU STILL HAVE A LOT OF AFFECTION FOR.
STILL HAVE A LOT OF AFFECTION FOR. VERY MUCH SO.
FOR. VERY MUCH SO. THIS IS ONE OF -- REALLY,
VERY MUCH SO. THIS IS ONE OF -- REALLY, IT'S A KIOWA BAG, YOU RARELY
THIS IS ONE OF -- REALLY, IT'S A KIOWA BAG, YOU RARELY SEE IT, AND IT'S VERY
IT'S A KIOWA BAG, YOU RARELY SEE IT, AND IT'S VERY SPECIAL, VERY RARE.
SEE IT, AND IT'S VERY SPECIAL, VERY RARE. AND I FELT, WHEN I HAD THE
SPECIAL, VERY RARE. AND I FELT, WHEN I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SPEAKING HERE,
AND I FELT, WHEN I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SPEAKING HERE, FOLLOWING MR. D 'AMAT ABELLO,
PRIVILEGE OF SPEAKING HERE, FOLLOWING MR. D 'AMAT ABELLO, WHO IS A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW,
FOLLOWING MR. D 'AMAT ABELLO, WHO IS A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW, IT WAS A REAL PRIVILEGE FOR
WHO IS A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW, IT WAS A REAL PRIVILEGE FOR ME, AND WE DIDN'T SERVE WINE,
IT WAS A REAL PRIVILEGE FOR ME, AND WE DIDN'T SERVE WINE, ACTUALLY, SO THAT MIGHT HAVE
ME, AND WE DIDN'T SERVE WINE, ACTUALLY, SO THAT MIGHT HAVE MADE A BIGGER DIFFERENCE.
ACTUALLY, SO THAT MIGHT HAVE MADE A BIGGER DIFFERENCE. YOU SEE?
MADE A BIGGER DIFFERENCE. YOU SEE? I NEED TO REMEMBER THAT.
YOU SEE? I NEED TO REMEMBER THAT. I WANTED TO END WITH SOME
I NEED TO REMEMBER THAT. I WANTED TO END WITH SOME OF THE GREAT WORKS THAT ARE
I WANTED TO END WITH SOME OF THE GREAT WORKS THAT ARE IN OUR COLLECTION, BUT THAT
OF THE GREAT WORKS THAT ARE IN OUR COLLECTION, BUT THAT COULD FIT SO WELL.
IN OUR COLLECTION, BUT THAT COULD FIT SO WELL. IN MY COLLECTION.
COULD FIT SO WELL. IN MY COLLECTION. WELL, THE OTHER WAY AROUND
IN MY COLLECTION. WELL, THE OTHER WAY AROUND [LAUGHTER]
WELL, THE OTHER WAY AROUND [LAUGHTER] NO, BUT THIS WOULD BE
[LAUGHTER] NO, BUT THIS WOULD BE WORKS OF ART, AGAIN, THAT
NO, BUT THIS WOULD BE WORKS OF ART, AGAIN, THAT BOTH IN THE ABSTRACT FORM OR
WORKS OF ART, AGAIN, THAT BOTH IN THE ABSTRACT FORM OR IN THE FIGURATIVE FORM THAT
BOTH IN THE ABSTRACT FORM OR IN THE FIGURATIVE FORM THAT COMPLETELY --
IN THE FIGURATIVE FORM THAT COMPLETELY -- YEAH, THE BOY'S SPIRIT IS
COMPLETELY -- YEAH, THE BOY'S SPIRIT IS -- SHIRT IS WONDERFUL AN HAS
YEAH, THE BOY'S SPIRIT IS -- SHIRT IS WONDERFUL AN HAS THESE ABSTRACT ELEMENTS AND
-- SHIRT IS WONDERFUL AN HAS THESE ABSTRACT ELEMENTS AND THAT VEST, IF YOU REMEMBER,
THESE ABSTRACT ELEMENTS AND THAT VEST, IF YOU REMEMBER, THE ONE THAT I HAVE, WHICH IS
THAT VEST, IF YOU REMEMBER, THE ONE THAT I HAVE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT NOT
THE ONE THAT I HAVE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT NOT MUCH -- IT'S A LITTLE LARGER,
A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT NOT MUCH -- IT'S A LITTLE LARGER, AGAIN, HERE IS THIS
MUCH -- IT'S A LITTLE LARGER, AGAIN, HERE IS THIS EXTRAORDINARY COLOR PALLET
AGAIN, HERE IS THIS EXTRAORDINARY COLOR PALLET AND BEADWORK THAT THEY DID.
EXTRAORDINARY COLOR PALLET AND BEADWORK THAT THEY DID. THEY ARE FABULOUS, FABULOUS
AND BEADWORK THAT THEY DID. THEY ARE FABULOUS, FABULOUS PIECES.
THEY ARE FABULOUS, FABULOUS PIECES. THEN THIS, AGAIN, THE
PIECES. THEN THIS, AGAIN, THE GROUP OF COLLECTORS, THE
THEN THIS, AGAIN, THE GROUP OF COLLECTORS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COLLECTING
GROUP OF COLLECTORS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COLLECTING NATIVE AMERICAN ART IS A
PEOPLE WHO ARE COLLECTING NATIVE AMERICAN ART IS A FRIEND AND THIS WAS GIVEN TO
NATIVE AMERICAN ART IS A FRIEND AND THIS WAS GIVEN TO YOU BY CHUCK DIKER.
FRIEND AND THIS WAS GIVEN TO YOU BY CHUCK DIKER. HE CONTRIBUTED THIS, IT'S
YOU BY CHUCK DIKER. HE CONTRIBUTED THIS, IT'S A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL BAG.
HE CONTRIBUTED THIS, IT'S A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL BAG. AND WE WERE DISCUSSING
A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL BAG. AND WE WERE DISCUSSING WHAT IS A COMMON FAVORITE,
AND WE WERE DISCUSSING WHAT IS A COMMON FAVORITE, AND YET, SO BIASED TOWARDS
WHAT IS A COMMON FAVORITE, AND YET, SO BIASED TOWARDS THIS SHIELD, AND IT --
AND YET, SO BIASED TOWARDS THIS SHIELD, AND IT -- I DO NOT COLLECT SHIELDS.
THIS SHIELD, AND IT -- I DO NOT COLLECT SHIELDS. BUT YOU WOULD HAVE GONE
I DO NOT COLLECT SHIELDS. BUT YOU WOULD HAVE GONE FOR THIS ONE.
BUT YOU WOULD HAVE GONE FOR THIS ONE. I WOULD HAVE GONE FOR IT,.
FOR THIS ONE. I WOULD HAVE GONE FOR IT,. HAPPILY, NO ONE CALLED.
I WOULD HAVE GONE FOR IT,. HAPPILY, NO ONE CALLED. THIS WAS ***'S GREAT
HAPPILY, NO ONE CALLED. THIS WAS ***'S GREAT ACQUISITION.
THIS WAS ***'S GREAT ACQUISITION. IT'S TO ME ARGUABLY THE
ACQUISITION. IT'S TO ME ARGUABLY THE GREATEST SHIELD I'VE EVER
IT'S TO ME ARGUABLY THE GREATEST SHIELD I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE.
GREATEST SHIELD I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE. IT'S GOT EVERYTHING.
SEEN IN MY LIFE. IT'S GOT EVERYTHING. AND IT'S JUST STUNNING IN ITS
IT'S GOT EVERYTHING. AND IT'S JUST STUNNING IN ITS -- WHEN YOU SEE IT UP IN THE
AND IT'S JUST STUNNING IN ITS -- WHEN YOU SEE IT UP IN THE MUSEUM, IT HAS A PRESENCE.
-- WHEN YOU SEE IT UP IN THE MUSEUM, IT HAS A PRESENCE. WHAT I REALLY WANT TO
MUSEUM, IT HAS A PRESENCE. WHAT I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR, FOR BEING
WHAT I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR, FOR BEING HERE, AND ALSO, FROM THE
THANK YOU FOR, FOR BEING HERE, AND ALSO, FROM THE INTRODUCTIONS OF THE BOOK, IT
HERE, AND ALSO, FROM THE INTRODUCTIONS OF THE BOOK, IT SUMS IT UP WELL, IT SAYS THE
INTRODUCTIONS OF THE BOOK, IT SUMS IT UP WELL, IT SAYS THE HIRSCHFIELDS COLLECT FROM AN
SUMS IT UP WELL, IT SAYS THE HIRSCHFIELDS COLLECT FROM AN INTENTIONALLY PERSONAL
HIRSCHFIELDS COLLECT FROM AN INTENTIONALLY PERSONAL VISION, FROM THEIR OWN NATIVE
INTENTIONALLY PERSONAL VISION, FROM THEIR OWN NATIVE AMERICAN ART PREFERENCES AND
VISION, FROM THEIR OWN NATIVE AMERICAN ART PREFERENCES AND A SUSTAINING PASSION AND WE
AMERICAN ART PREFERENCES AND A SUSTAINING PASSION AND WE HAVE WITNESSED THAT PASSION,
A SUSTAINING PASSION AND WE HAVE WITNESSED THAT PASSION, AND WE COULD HAVE GONE INTO
HAVE WITNESSED THAT PASSION, AND WE COULD HAVE GONE INTO SO MANY STORIES BUT WE WANTED
AND WE COULD HAVE GONE INTO SO MANY STORIES BUT WE WANTED TO LEAVE SO MANY STORIES
SO MANY STORIES BUT WE WANTED TO LEAVE SO MANY STORIES BECAUSE THE BOOK TELLS THEM
TO LEAVE SO MANY STORIES BECAUSE THE BOOK TELLS THEM NICELY, AND THE PROCEEDS OF
BECAUSE THE BOOK TELLS THEM NICELY, AND THE PROCEEDS OF THIS BOOK WILL GO TOWARDS THE
NICELY, AND THE PROCEEDS OF THIS BOOK WILL GO TOWARDS THE WIND RIVER RESERVATION INTER
THIS BOOK WILL GO TOWARDS THE WIND RIVER RESERVATION INTER TRIBAL CENTER, SO BY BUYING
WIND RIVER RESERVATION INTER TRIBAL CENTER, SO BY BUYING IT, YOU ARE DOING A GREAT
TRIBAL CENTER, SO BY BUYING IT, YOU ARE DOING A GREAT SERVICE.
IT, YOU ARE DOING A GREAT SERVICE. [APPLAUSE]
SERVICE. [APPLAUSE] THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE] THANK YOU. WELL, CHEERS!
THANK YOU. WELL, CHEERS! CHEERS!
WELL, CHEERS! CHEERS! THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CHEERS! THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT WAS GREAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT WAS GREAT. THANK YOU.
IT WAS GREAT. THANK YOU. ś
THANK YOU. ś ś I BELIEVE WE ARE ALL
ś ś I BELIEVE WE ARE ALL COLLECTORS AT HEART AND WE
ś I BELIEVE WE ARE ALL COLLECTORS AT HEART AND WE MIGHT STAMP WITH -- START
COLLECTORS AT HEART AND WE MIGHT STAMP WITH -- START WITH STAMPS OR COINS OR ART
MIGHT STAMP WITH -- START WITH STAMPS OR COINS OR ART BOOKS OR BASEBALL BOOKS AND
WITH STAMPS OR COINS OR ART BOOKS OR BASEBALL BOOKS AND COLLECTING IS FASCINATING.
BOOKS OR BASEBALL BOOKS AND COLLECTING IS FASCINATING. LIKEATHAL POINTED OUT, THE
COLLECTING IS FASCINATING. LIKEATHAL POINTED OUT, THE APPRECIATION IT GIVES US FOR
LIKEATHAL POINTED OUT, THE APPRECIATION IT GIVES US FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CREATED
APPRECIATION IT GIVES US FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CREATED THOSE OBJECTS ENRICHES OUR
THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CREATED THOSE OBJECTS ENRICHES OUR LIVES.
THOSE OBJECTS ENRICHES OUR LIVES. HERE IN KANSAS CITY, OUR OWN
LIVES. HERE IN KANSAS CITY, OUR OWN MORTON SOSLAND HAS ALWAYS
HERE IN KANSAS CITY, OUR OWN MORTON SOSLAND HAS ALWAYS BEEN ENA.M. ENAMORED ARE THE ARF
MORTON SOSLAND HAS ALWAYS BEEN ENA.M. ENAMORED ARE THE ARF NATIVE AMERICANS,
BEEN ENA.M. ENAMORED ARE THE ARF NATIVE AMERICANS, PARTICULARLY THOSE IN THE
NATIVE AMERICANS, PARTICULARLY THOSE IN THE NORTHWEST AND HIS COLLECTION
PARTICULARLY THOSE IN THE NORTHWEST AND HIS COLLECTION CAN BE ENJOYED AND DISCOVERED
NORTHWEST AND HIS COLLECTION CAN BE ENJOYED AND DISCOVERED AT THE NELSON-ATKINS, BUT AS
CAN BE ENJOYED AND DISCOVERED AT THE NELSON-ATKINS, BUT AS RANDY MASON DISCOVERED, SOME
AT THE NELSON-ATKINS, BUT AS RANDY MASON DISCOVERED, SOME OF IT IS STILL PART OF THE
RANDY MASON DISCOVERED, SOME OF IT IS STILL PART OF THE HOME HE SHARES WITH HIS BEE
OF IT IS STILL PART OF THE HOME HE SHARES WITH HIS BEE LOVED WIFE ESTELLE.
HOME HE SHARES WITH HIS BEE LOVED WIFE ESTELLE. I GREW UP IN A FAMILY OF
LOVED WIFE ESTELLE. I GREW UP IN A FAMILY OF PEOPLE WHO LOVED TO COLLECT
I GREW UP IN A FAMILY OF PEOPLE WHO LOVED TO COLLECT ART.
PEOPLE WHO LOVED TO COLLECT ART. AND WHEN ESTELLE AND I WERE
ART. AND WHEN ESTELLE AND I WERE MARRIED, WE SAID WE WANT TO
AND WHEN ESTELLE AND I WERE MARRIED, WE SAID WE WANT TO DO THIS, TOO, AND STARTING IN
MARRIED, WE SAID WE WANT TO DO THIS, TOO, AND STARTING IN A MODEST WAY AS YOU DO.
DO THIS, TOO, AND STARTING IN A MODEST WAY AS YOU DO. BUT WE HAD TO FIND SOMETHING
A MODEST WAY AS YOU DO. BUT WE HAD TO FIND SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE
BUT WE HAD TO FIND SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE FAMILY WAS DOING, AND SHE, AT
DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE FAMILY WAS DOING, AND SHE, AT THE TIME, WAS VERY ACTIVE AT
FAMILY WAS DOING, AND SHE, AT THE TIME, WAS VERY ACTIVE AT THE REYNOLDS GALLERY AT THE
THE TIME, WAS VERY ACTIVE AT THE REYNOLDS GALLERY AT THE NELSON-ATKINS MUSEUM, AND THE
THE REYNOLDS GALLERY AT THE NELSON-ATKINS MUSEUM, AND THE FIRST PRIMITIVE ART SHOW I
NELSON-ATKINS MUSEUM, AND THE FIRST PRIMITIVE ART SHOW I HAD SEEN WAS OF NEW GUINEA
FIRST PRIMITIVE ART SHOW I HAD SEEN WAS OF NEW GUINEA MATERIAL AND I HAD NEVER SEEN
HAD SEEN WAS OF NEW GUINEA MATERIAL AND I HAD NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE AND TED WAS THEO
MATERIAL AND I HAD NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE AND TED WAS THEO TED COE WAS THE CURATOR AND I
IT BEFORE AND TED WAS THEO TED COE WAS THE CURATOR AND I SAID TELL ME WHY THIS IS ART
TED COE WAS THE CURATOR AND I SAID TELL ME WHY THIS IS ART AND IT WAS IN COMPARISON TO
SAID TELL ME WHY THIS IS ART AND IT WAS IN COMPARISON TO WHAT MIGHT BE CONVENTIONAL
AND IT WAS IN COMPARISON TO WHAT MIGHT BE CONVENTIONAL ART AS SUCH AND HE SIMPLY
WHAT MIGHT BE CONVENTIONAL ART AS SUCH AND HE SIMPLY POINTED OUT WAS THAT THIS WAS
ART AS SUCH AND HE SIMPLY POINTED OUT WAS THAT THIS WAS HOW THESE PEOPLE INTERPRETED
POINTED OUT WAS THAT THIS WAS HOW THESE PEOPLE INTERPRETED THE WORLD, HOW THEY
HOW THESE PEOPLE INTERPRETED THE WORLD, HOW THEY INTERPRETED WHAT THEY
THE WORLD, HOW THEY INTERPRETED WHAT THEY BELIEVED WAS GOING TO HAPPEN
INTERPRETED WHAT THEY BELIEVED WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE AFTER LIFE,
BELIEVED WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE AFTER LIFE, INTERPRETING HOW A DIVINE
IN THE AFTER LIFE, INTERPRETING HOW A DIVINE BODY WAS INFLUENCING THEIR
INTERPRETING HOW A DIVINE BODY WAS INFLUENCING THEIR LIVES, AND IT BECAME VERY,
BODY WAS INFLUENCING THEIR LIVES, AND IT BECAME VERY, VERY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW
LIVES, AND IT BECAME VERY, VERY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THESE NATIVES REACTED AND
VERY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THESE NATIVES REACTED AND PORTRAYED THINGS THAT WERE
THESE NATIVES REACTED AND PORTRAYED THINGS THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO US IN RATHER
PORTRAYED THINGS THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO US IN RATHER IMAGINATIVE WAYS.
IMPORTANT TO US IN RATHER IMAGINATIVE WAYS. THROUGH TED AND THROUGH
IMAGINATIVE WAYS. THROUGH TED AND THROUGH OUR OWN INTERESTS, AND
THROUGH TED AND THROUGH OUR OWN INTERESTS, AND BECAUSE ESTELLE HAPPENED TO
OUR OWN INTERESTS, AND BECAUSE ESTELLE HAPPENED TO VISIT THE NEW YORK MUSEUM AND
BECAUSE ESTELLE HAPPENED TO VISIT THE NEW YORK MUSEUM AND SAW AN ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS
VISIT THE NEW YORK MUSEUM AND SAW AN ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS FRONT RUG MADE BY INDIANS ON
SAW AN ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS FRONT RUG MADE BY INDIANS ON THE NORTH COAST, WHICH WAS IN
FRONT RUG MADE BY INDIANS ON THE NORTH COAST, WHICH WAS IN BRITISH COLUMBIA AT THE TIME,
THE NORTH COAST, WHICH WAS IN BRITISH COLUMBIA AT THE TIME, SHE SAW THAT PIECE AND -- I
BRITISH COLUMBIA AT THE TIME, SHE SAW THAT PIECE AND -- I WENT AND SAW IT, KNEW HOW
SHE SAW THAT PIECE AND -- I WENT AND SAW IT, KNEW HOW MUCH SHE WANTED IT, SO WE
WENT AND SAW IT, KNEW HOW MUCH SHE WANTED IT, SO WE BOUGHT THAT PIECE AND DECIDED
MUCH SHE WANTED IT, SO WE BOUGHT THAT PIECE AND DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO START
BOUGHT THAT PIECE AND DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO START COLLECTING AMERICAN INDIAN.
WE WERE GOING TO START COLLECTING AMERICAN INDIAN. WE HAD KIND OF RESISTED, OF
COLLECTING AMERICAN INDIAN. WE HAD KIND OF RESISTED, OF COURSE, NOT KNOWING TOO MUCH
WE HAD KIND OF RESISTED, OF COURSE, NOT KNOWING TOO MUCH ABOUT IT.
COURSE, NOT KNOWING TOO MUCH ABOUT IT. AND SO THEN WE FOCUSED OUR
ABOUT IT. AND SO THEN WE FOCUSED OUR COLLECTION FOR MOST OF OUR
AND SO THEN WE FOCUSED OUR COLLECTION FOR MOST OF OUR ADULT LIVES ON AMERICAN
COLLECTION FOR MOST OF OUR ADULT LIVES ON AMERICAN INDIAN THINGS.
ADULT LIVES ON AMERICAN INDIAN THINGS. MAINLY ON THE NORTHWEST
INDIAN THINGS. MAINLY ON THE NORTHWEST COAST.
MAINLY ON THE NORTHWEST COAST. BUT ALSO, ON SOME FINE
COAST. BUT ALSO, ON SOME FINE POTTERY AND BASKETS OF OTHER
BUT ALSO, ON SOME FINE POTTERY AND BASKETS OF OTHER AREAS.
POTTERY AND BASKETS OF OTHER AREAS. THIS MATERIAL WAS ALL PUT
AREAS. THIS MATERIAL WAS ALL PUT HERE BECAUSE WE HAD IT
THIS MATERIAL WAS ALL PUT HERE BECAUSE WE HAD IT TOGETHER, WE HAVE THE
HERE BECAUSE WE HAD IT TOGETHER, WE HAVE THE NORTHWEST MATERIAL, THE
TOGETHER, WE HAVE THE NORTHWEST MATERIAL, THE SOUTHWEST MATERIAL, WE HAVE
NORTHWEST MATERIAL, THE SOUTHWEST MATERIAL, WE HAVE WEST COAST MATERIAL, AND WE
SOUTHWEST MATERIAL, WE HAVE WEST COAST MATERIAL, AND WE HAVE ONE WHOLE SECTION
WEST COAST MATERIAL, AND WE HAVE ONE WHOLE SECTION DEVOTED TO CERAMICS MADE BY
HAVE ONE WHOLE SECTION DEVOTED TO CERAMICS MADE BY THE GREATEST 20TH CENTURY
DEVOTED TO CERAMICS MADE BY THE GREATEST 20TH CENTURY WORLD ARTISTS, AND WE THINK
THE GREATEST 20TH CENTURY WORLD ARTISTS, AND WE THINK IT FITS PERFECTLY WITH THIS
WORLD ARTISTS, AND WE THINK IT FITS PERFECTLY WITH THIS MATERIAL.
IT FITS PERFECTLY WITH THIS MATERIAL. THE AMERICAN INDIAN ART HOLDS
MATERIAL. THE AMERICAN INDIAN ART HOLDS UP SO VERY, VERY WELL WITH
THE AMERICAN INDIAN ART HOLDS UP SO VERY, VERY WELL WITH THE ART OF ANY OTHER, WHETHER
UP SO VERY, VERY WELL WITH THE ART OF ANY OTHER, WHETHER IT'S -- WHEN IT'S CAREFULLY
THE ART OF ANY OTHER, WHETHER IT'S -- WHEN IT'S CAREFULLY CURATED AND CAREFULLY
IT'S -- WHEN IT'S CAREFULLY CURATED AND CAREFULLY DISPLAYED.
CURATED AND CAREFULLY DISPLAYED. MY WIFE ESTELLE IS A MUCH
DISPLAYED. MY WIFE ESTELLE IS A MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGABLE PERSON
MY WIFE ESTELLE IS A MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGABLE PERSON ABOUT THIS MATERIAL THAN I AM
MORE KNOWLEDGABLE PERSON ABOUT THIS MATERIAL THAN I AM AND SHE IS MUCH MORE OF A
ABOUT THIS MATERIAL THAN I AM AND SHE IS MUCH MORE OF A CURATOR, IF YOU WANT TO USE
AND SHE IS MUCH MORE OF A CURATOR, IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT TERM, THAN I AM.
CURATOR, IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT TERM, THAN I AM. I AM A LOVER.
THAT TERM, THAN I AM. I AM A LOVER. I'M A LOVER OF THIS MATERIAL.
I AM A LOVER. I'M A LOVER OF THIS MATERIAL. THESE POTS HERE WERE ALL
I'M A LOVER OF THIS MATERIAL. THESE POTS HERE WERE ALL MADE BY THE FAMILY OF ONE
THESE POTS HERE WERE ALL MADE BY THE FAMILY OF ONE WOMAN NAMED MARIA MARTIN, SHE
MADE BY THE FAMILY OF ONE WOMAN NAMED MARIA MARTIN, SHE AND HER HUSBAND, JULIAN, WERE
WOMAN NAMED MARIA MARTIN, SHE AND HER HUSBAND, JULIAN, WERE WONDERFUL POT MAKERS, SHE
AND HER HUSBAND, JULIAN, WERE WONDERFUL POT MAKERS, SHE MADE THE POTS, HE LEARNED HOW
WONDERFUL POT MAKERS, SHE MADE THE POTS, HE LEARNED HOW TO PAINT THEM, SO THEY WERE
MADE THE POTS, HE LEARNED HOW TO PAINT THEM, SO THEY WERE TKHAUPB WAY.
TO PAINT THEM, SO THEY WERE TKHAUPB WAY. THEY THEN TRAINED THEIR SON,
TKHAUPB WAY. THEY THEN TRAINED THEIR SON, TONY DAY, WHO ACTUALLY BECAME
THEY THEN TRAINED THEIR SON, TONY DAY, WHO ACTUALLY BECAME ALMOST A FINER POT MAKER THAN
TONY DAY, WHO ACTUALLY BECAME ALMOST A FINER POT MAKER THAN HIS MOTHER AND FATHER WERE,
ALMOST A FINER POT MAKER THAN HIS MOTHER AND FATHER WERE, AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONLY
HIS MOTHER AND FATHER WERE, AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONLY COLLECTION OF REALLY SUPERIOR
AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONLY COLLECTION OF REALLY SUPERIOR PIECES FROM THE ENTIRE FAMILY
COLLECTION OF REALLY SUPERIOR PIECES FROM THE ENTIRE FAMILY OUR NORTHWEST COAST
PIECES FROM THE ENTIRE FAMILY OUR NORTHWEST COAST MATERIAL IS MAINLY STILL
OUR NORTHWEST COAST MATERIAL IS MAINLY STILL BEING MADE FOR USE.
MATERIAL IS MAINLY STILL BEING MADE FOR USE. THE CABINET HERE IS A DISPLAY
BEING MADE FOR USE. THE CABINET HERE IS A DISPLAY OF NORTHWEST FISHING HATS.
THE CABINET HERE IS A DISPLAY OF NORTHWEST FISHING HATS. THEY USE THESE HATS TO WEAR
OF NORTHWEST FISHING HATS. THEY USE THESE HATS TO WEAR TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM
THEY USE THESE HATS TO WEAR TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM SUN AND BE ABLE TO SEE WHEN
TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM SUN AND BE ABLE TO SEE WHEN THEY WENT OUT FISHING.
SUN AND BE ABLE TO SEE WHEN THEY WENT OUT FISHING. WELL, THAT'S A VERY PRACTICAL
THEY WENT OUT FISHING. WELL, THAT'S A VERY PRACTICAL THING.
WELL, THAT'S A VERY PRACTICAL THING. BUT THEN THEY REALLY THRIVED
THING. BUT THEN THEY REALLY THRIVED FOR THE DESIGNS ON THE HAT.
BUT THEN THEY REALLY THRIVED FOR THE DESIGNS ON THE HAT. THERE ARE MANY OF THE
FOR THE DESIGNS ON THE HAT. THERE ARE MANY OF THE NORTHWEST COAST DESIGNS THAT
THERE ARE MANY OF THE NORTHWEST COAST DESIGNS THAT ARE MUCH RELATE TO LINES AND
NORTHWEST COAST DESIGNS THAT ARE MUCH RELATE TO LINES AND HOW -- WHAT THEY PUT WITHIN
ARE MUCH RELATE TO LINES AND HOW -- WHAT THEY PUT WITHIN SPACES AND HOW IT'S A VERY
HOW -- WHAT THEY PUT WITHIN SPACES AND HOW IT'S A VERY SET KIND OF DEMAND THAT IS
SPACES AND HOW IT'S A VERY SET KIND OF DEMAND THAT IS PUT ON THE ARTIST.
SET KIND OF DEMAND THAT IS PUT ON THE ARTIST. THE TRIBE IN MY JUDGMENT,
PUT ON THE ARTIST. THE TRIBE IN MY JUDGMENT, THEY MADE THE FINEST ART.
THE TRIBE IN MY JUDGMENT, THEY MADE THE FINEST ART. THE REASON FOR THAT IS A
THEY MADE THE FINEST ART. THE REASON FOR THAT IS A RATHER REMARKABLE ONE.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS A RATHER REMARKABLE ONE. THEY WERE IN A PART OF THE
RATHER REMARKABLE ONE. THEY WERE IN A PART OF THE WORLD, IF YOU STOP TO THINK
THEY WERE IN A PART OF THE WORLD, IF YOU STOP TO THINK ABOUT IT, WHERE THEY WERE
WORLD, IF YOU STOP TO THINK ABOUT IT, WHERE THEY WERE PROTECTED ON ONE SIDE BY THE
ABOUT IT, WHERE THEY WERE PROTECTED ON ONE SIDE BY THE PACIFIC OCEAN, AND ON THE
PROTECTED ON ONE SIDE BY THE PACIFIC OCEAN, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, BY A RANGE OF
PACIFIC OCEAN, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, BY A RANGE OF MOUNTAINS.
OTHER SIDE, BY A RANGE OF MOUNTAINS. THEY WERE IN AN AREA OF THE
MOUNTAINS. THEY WERE IN AN AREA OF THE WORLD THAT HAD WHAT, TO MANY
THEY WERE IN AN AREA OF THE WORLD THAT HAD WHAT, TO MANY PEOPLE, TODAY IS ONE OF THE
WORLD THAT HAD WHAT, TO MANY PEOPLE, TODAY IS ONE OF THE MOST WONDERFUL CLIMATES IN
PEOPLE, TODAY IS ONE OF THE MOST WONDERFUL CLIMATES IN THE WORLD.
MOST WONDERFUL CLIMATES IN THE WORLD. THEY DON'T HAVE TERRIBLY HOT
THE WORLD. THEY DON'T HAVE TERRIBLY HOT SUMMERS, IT MISSES SNOW, THEY
THEY DON'T HAVE TERRIBLY HOT SUMMERS, IT MISSES SNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE VERY SEVERE
SUMMERS, IT MISSES SNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE VERY SEVERE WINTERS, THEY HAVE FISH IN
DON'T HAVE VERY SEVERE WINTERS, THEY HAVE FISH IN ABUNDANCE FROM BOTH THE OCEAN
WINTERS, THEY HAVE FISH IN ABUNDANCE FROM BOTH THE OCEAN AND FROM THE RIVER RIVERS.
ABUNDANCE FROM BOTH THE OCEAN AND FROM THE RIVER RIVERS. THEY HAD A VISION THAT WAS
AND FROM THE RIVER RIVERS. THEY HAD A VISION THAT WAS NOT BASED ON HAVING TO MOVE
THEY HAD A VISION THAT WAS NOT BASED ON HAVING TO MOVE IN ORDER TO GROW ENOUGH FOOD.
NOT BASED ON HAVING TO MOVE IN ORDER TO GROW ENOUGH FOOD. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO MOVE
IN ORDER TO GROW ENOUGH FOOD. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO MOVE BECAUSE THEY WERE BEING
THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO MOVE BECAUSE THEY WERE BEING ATTACKED BY OTHER INDIANSS,
BECAUSE THEY WERE BEING ATTACKED BY OTHER INDIANSS, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL RATHER
ATTACKED BY OTHER INDIANSS, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL RATHER WELL PROTECTED FROM EACH
BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL RATHER WELL PROTECTED FROM EACH OTHER.
WELL PROTECTED FROM EACH OTHER. THEY HAD THEMSELVES A
OTHER. THEY HAD THEMSELVES A BEAUTIFUL LIFE IN MAKING ART,
THEY HAD THEMSELVES A BEAUTIFUL LIFE IN MAKING ART, AND THEY REALLY WERE VERY
BEAUTIFUL LIFE IN MAKING ART, AND THEY REALLY WERE VERY PROUD OF THE PEOPLE IN THEIR
AND THEY REALLY WERE VERY PROUD OF THE PEOPLE IN THEIR TRIBES WHO WERE ARTISTS.
PROUD OF THE PEOPLE IN THEIR TRIBES WHO WERE ARTISTS. THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS TO
TRIBES WHO WERE ARTISTS. THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS TO COLLECT.
THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS TO COLLECT. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE
COLLECT. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COLLECT ALL THEIR LIVES
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COLLECT ALL THEIR LIVES AND AS THEY GET OLDER OR AS
THAT COLLECT ALL THEIR LIVES AND AS THEY GET OLDER OR AS THEY ARE ABOUT TO DIE, THEY
AND AS THEY GET OLDER OR AS THEY ARE ABOUT TO DIE, THEY TELL THEIR FAMILY, GO AHEAD
THEY ARE ABOUT TO DIE, THEY TELL THEIR FAMILY, GO AHEAD AND SEND IT TO SOTHEBY'S OR
TELL THEIR FAMILY, GO AHEAD AND SEND IT TO SOTHEBY'S OR CHRISTIE'S AND HAVE IT SOLD
AND SEND IT TO SOTHEBY'S OR CHRISTIE'S AND HAVE IT SOLD AND LET OTHER PEOPLE ENJOY
CHRISTIE'S AND HAVE IT SOLD AND LET OTHER PEOPLE ENJOY IT, AND THEN -- AND I
AND LET OTHER PEOPLE ENJOY IT, AND THEN -- AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE
IT, AND THEN -- AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE DOING, BUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE DOING, BUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OUR MAJOR PIECES IN THE
DOING, BUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OUR MAJOR PIECES IN THE MUSEUM HERE AND HAVE
HAVE OUR MAJOR PIECES IN THE MUSEUM HERE AND HAVE GALLERIES DEDICATED TO
MUSEUM HERE AND HAVE GALLERIES DEDICATED TO AMERICAN INDIAN ART REALLY
GALLERIES DEDICATED TO AMERICAN INDIAN ART REALLY THRILLED US.
AMERICAN INDIAN ART REALLY THRILLED US. WE CERTAINLY HELPED MAKE THAT
THRILLED US. WE CERTAINLY HELPED MAKE THAT POSSIBLE, WHEN WE KNEW THE
WE CERTAINLY HELPED MAKE THAT POSSIBLE, WHEN WE KNEW THE MUSEUM WAS INTERESTED IN
POSSIBLE, WHEN WE KNEW THE MUSEUM WAS INTERESTED IN HAVING THESE GALLERIES AND IT
MUSEUM WAS INTERESTED IN HAVING THESE GALLERIES AND IT REALLY TURNED OUT TO BE VERY
HAVING THESE GALLERIES AND IT REALLY TURNED OUT TO BE VERY SPECIAL.
REALLY TURNED OUT TO BE VERY SPECIAL. WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE
SPECIAL. WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE MUSEUM.
WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE MUSEUM. IN FACT THE WINDOW WE ARE
MUSEUM. IN FACT THE WINDOW WE ARE LOOKING OUT BEHIND YOU, I CAN
IN FACT THE WINDOW WE ARE LOOKING OUT BEHIND YOU, I CAN ALMOST SEE THE MUSEUM, SO I
LOOKING OUT BEHIND YOU, I CAN ALMOST SEE THE MUSEUM, SO I KNOW THE PIECES ARE CLOSE,
ALMOST SEE THE MUSEUM, SO I KNOW THE PIECES ARE CLOSE, AND CERTAINLY, WHENEVER
KNOW THE PIECES ARE CLOSE, AND CERTAINLY, WHENEVER GUESTS COME TO TOWN OR WE --
AND CERTAINLY, WHENEVER GUESTS COME TO TOWN OR WE -- I TURN TO ESTELLE AND SAY
GUESTS COME TO TOWN OR WE -- I TURN TO ESTELLE AND SAY LET'S GO VISIT THE MUSEUM,
I TURN TO ESTELLE AND SAY LET'S GO VISIT THE MUSEUM, AND WE WILL GO LOOK AT THE
LET'S GO VISIT THE MUSEUM, AND WE WILL GO LOOK AT THE AMERICAN INDIAN GALLERIES.
AND WE WILL GO LOOK AT THE AMERICAN INDIAN GALLERIES. THERE ARE FEW -- ALL OF THE
AMERICAN INDIAN GALLERIES. THERE ARE FEW -- ALL OF THE PIECES THAT ARE THERE THAT WE
THERE ARE FEW -- ALL OF THE PIECES THAT ARE THERE THAT WE GAVE ARE VERY SPECIAL IN OUR
PIECES THAT ARE THERE THAT WE GAVE ARE VERY SPECIAL IN OUR MINDS, BUT AS FAR AS I'M
GAVE ARE VERY SPECIAL IN OUR MINDS, BUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THERE ARE ONE OR
MINDS, BUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THERE ARE ONE OR TWO OF THEM THAT I TRULY DO
CONCERNED, THERE ARE ONE OR TWO OF THEM THAT I TRULY DO MISS, AND I LOVE TO GO LOOK
TWO OF THEM THAT I TRULY DO MISS, AND I LOVE TO GO LOOK AT THEM AND SEE THEM AGAIN.
MISS, AND I LOVE TO GO LOOK AT THEM AND SEE THEM AGAIN. *** HAS BEEN A WONDER,
AT THEM AND SEE THEM AGAIN. *** HAS BEEN A WONDER, BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST
*** HAS BEEN A WONDER, BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST AMERICAN INDIAN CURATOR IN
BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST AMERICAN INDIAN CURATOR IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.
AMERICAN INDIAN CURATOR IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. EVERYBODY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT.
THE ENTIRE WORLD. EVERYBODY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT. AND THAT WE HAVE HIM HERE IN
EVERYBODY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT. AND THAT WE HAVE HIM HERE IN KANSAS CITY, IT'S REALLY
AND THAT WE HAVE HIM HERE IN KANSAS CITY, IT'S REALLY INSPIRATIONAL.
KANSAS CITY, IT'S REALLY INSPIRATIONAL. LORD ONLY KNOWS WHAT WOULD
INSPIRATIONAL. LORD ONLY KNOWS WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO OUR
LORD ONLY KNOWS WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO OUR COLLECTION IF, FIRST MARK
HAVE HAPPENED TO OUR COLLECTION IF, FIRST MARK WILSON, THEN THE DIRECTOR OF
COLLECTION IF, FIRST MARK WILSON, THEN THE DIRECTOR OF THE MUSEUM, HADN'T SAID WE'RE
WILSON, THEN THE DIRECTOR OF THE MUSEUM, HADN'T SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS GALLERY,
THE MUSEUM, HADN'T SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS GALLERY, WHICH WAS A VERY BOLD AND
GOING TO DO THIS GALLERY, WHICH WAS A VERY BOLD AND ADVENTURE SOME MOVE BY MARK
WHICH WAS A VERY BOLD AND ADVENTURE SOME MOVE BY MARK AND SECONDLY IF MARK HADN'T
ADVENTURE SOME MOVE BY MARK AND SECONDLY IF MARK HADN'T HIRED *** TO COME AS
AND SECONDLY IF MARK HADN'T HIRED *** TO COME AS CURATOR.
HIRED *** TO COME AS CURATOR. IT'S MADE AMERICAN INDIAN A
CURATOR. IT'S MADE AMERICAN INDIAN A MAJOR PART OF WHAT THE MUSEUM
IT'S MADE AMERICAN INDIAN A MAJOR PART OF WHAT THE MUSEUM DOES AND WE'RE TRILLION
MAJOR PART OF WHAT THE MUSEUM DOES AND WE'RE TRILLION DOLLARS TO -- THRILLED TO BE
DOES AND WE'RE TRILLION DOLLARS TO -- THRILLED TO BE PART OF THAT.
DOLLARS TO -- THRILLED TO BE PART OF THAT. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO
PART OF THAT. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO THE NELSON AND THE GALLERIES
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO THE NELSON AND THE GALLERIES AND YOU WILL SEE COLLECTIONS
THE NELSON AND THE GALLERIES AND YOU WILL SEE COLLECTIONS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY,
AND YOU WILL SEE COLLECTIONS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, PIECES THAT WERE COLLECTED
FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, PIECES THAT WERE COLLECTED HERE.
PIECES THAT WERE COLLECTED HERE. SO I GUESS I HAVE TO ASK,
HERE. SO I GUESS I HAVE TO ASK, THE GUY WHO HELPED BRING
SO I GUESS I HAVE TO ASK, THE GUY WHO HELPED BRING SHUTTLECOCKS TO KANSAS CITY,
THE GUY WHO HELPED BRING SHUTTLECOCKS TO KANSAS CITY, ALSO, YOU KNOW, FINDS HIMSELF
SHUTTLECOCKS TO KANSAS CITY, ALSO, YOU KNOW, FINDS HIMSELF LOST IN THE WORLD OF THESE
ALSO, YOU KNOW, FINDS HIMSELF LOST IN THE WORLD OF THESE THINGS.
LOST IN THE WORLD OF THESE THINGS. I MEAN, UNDERSTAND, I LOVE
THINGS. I MEAN, UNDERSTAND, I LOVE THE ARTISTIC EXPRESSION.
I MEAN, UNDERSTAND, I LOVE THE ARTISTIC EXPRESSION. THE INDIVIDUAL ARTIST THAT
THE ARTISTIC EXPRESSION. THE INDIVIDUAL ARTIST THAT DOES IT WELL, IN MY MIND, IN
THE INDIVIDUAL ARTIST THAT DOES IT WELL, IN MY MIND, IN MY JUDGMENT, AND THAT'S YOUR
DOES IT WELL, IN MY MIND, IN MY JUDGMENT, AND THAT'S YOUR JUDGMENT AND MY JUDGMENT NOW,
MY JUDGMENT, AND THAT'S YOUR JUDGMENT AND MY JUDGMENT NOW, AS SOMEONE AT THE MUSEUM
JUDGMENT AND MY JUDGMENT NOW, AS SOMEONE AT THE MUSEUM WOULD SAY -- THAT'S A
AS SOMEONE AT THE MUSEUM WOULD SAY -- THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING ABOUT ART,
WOULD SAY -- THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING ABOUT ART, IT'S AN INTELLECTUAL
WONDERFUL THING ABOUT ART, IT'S AN INTELLECTUAL CHALLENGE TO ME TO UNDERSTAND
IT'S AN INTELLECTUAL CHALLENGE TO ME TO UNDERSTAND WHY A PIECE WAS MADE A
CHALLENGE TO ME TO UNDERSTAND WHY A PIECE WAS MADE A CERTAIN WAY, TO UNDERSTAND
WHY A PIECE WAS MADE A CERTAIN WAY, TO UNDERSTAND THE BEAUTIFUL OF IT, AND TO
CERTAIN WAY, TO UNDERSTAND THE BEAUTIFUL OF IT, AND TO KNOW WHAT, IN MY MIND, I
THE BEAUTIFUL OF IT, AND TO KNOW WHAT, IN MY MIND, I TREASURE IT FOR.
KNOW WHAT, IN MY MIND, I TREASURE IT FOR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
TREASURE IT FOR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION ON THAT
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION ON THAT ONE!
ANSWERED THE QUESTION ON THAT ONE! ART IN ITSELF.
ONE! ART IN ITSELF. THE NATIVE AMERICAN ART AT
ART IN ITSELF. THE NATIVE AMERICAN ART AT THE NELSON IS UNMISTAKABLE AS
THE NATIVE AMERICAN ART AT THE NELSON IS UNMISTAKABLE AS WAS SEEN BY THE EXPANDED
THE NELSON IS UNMISTAKABLE AS WAS SEEN BY THE EXPANDED GALLERIES OPENED IN 2009.
WAS SEEN BY THE EXPANDED GALLERIES OPENED IN 2009. TODAY WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS
GALLERIES OPENED IN 2009. TODAY WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS A GREAT EXHIBITION, NATIVE
TODAY WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS A GREAT EXHIBITION, NATIVE INDIANS, ART OF EARTH AND
A GREAT EXHIBITION, NATIVE INDIANS, ART OF EARTH AND SKY, THAT WILL PREMIERE IN
INDIANS, ART OF EARTH AND SKY, THAT WILL PREMIERE IN PARIS BEFORE COMING TO NELSON
SKY, THAT WILL PREMIERE IN PARIS BEFORE COMING TO NELSON IN THE FALL OF 2013, THEN
PARIS BEFORE COMING TO NELSON IN THE FALL OF 2013, THEN FINISHING ITS INTERNATIONAL
IN THE FALL OF 2013, THEN FINISHING ITS INTERNATIONAL TOUR AT THE MET POLL --
FINISHING ITS INTERNATIONAL TOUR AT THE MET POLL -- METROPOLITAN IN NEW YORK
TOUR AT THE MET POLL -- METROPOLITAN IN NEW YORK CITY.
METROPOLITAN IN NEW YORK CITY. THIS WAS A MAJOR UNDERTAKING
CITY. THIS WAS A MAJOR UNDERTAKING OF *** TORRENCE AND HE
THIS WAS A MAJOR UNDERTAKING OF *** TORRENCE AND HE WILL FEATURE SOME OF THE
OF *** TORRENCE AND HE WILL FEATURE SOME OF THE OBJECTS YOU'VE SEEN EARLIER
WILL FEATURE SOME OF THE OBJECTS YOU'VE SEEN EARLIER IN THE SHOW AND MANY OTHERS
OBJECTS YOU'VE SEEN EARLIER IN THE SHOW AND MANY OTHERS THAT WILL BE PREMIERED FOR
IN THE SHOW AND MANY OTHERS THAT WILL BE PREMIERED FOR THE FIRST TIME.
THAT WILL BE PREMIERED FOR THE FIRST TIME. WE ARE VERY PROUD TO HAVE
THE FIRST TIME. WE ARE VERY PROUD TO HAVE PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN
WE ARE VERY PROUD TO HAVE PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN DEVELOPING THIS EXHIBITION
PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN DEVELOPING THIS EXHIBITION THAT WILL BE HERE TO SHARE
DEVELOPING THIS EXHIBITION THAT WILL BE HERE TO SHARE WITH ALL OF YOU VERY SOON.
THAT WILL BE HERE TO SHARE WITH ALL OF YOU VERY SOON. ON THAT NOTE, WE WILL
WITH ALL OF YOU VERY SOON. ON THAT NOTE, WE WILL CONCLUDE THIS EDITION OF "ART
ON THAT NOTE, WE WILL CONCLUDE THIS EDITION OF "ART TASTING", BUT OUR QUEST TO
CONCLUDE THIS EDITION OF "ART TASTING", BUT OUR QUEST TO FIND NEW FLAVORS AND WAYS TO
TASTING", BUT OUR QUEST TO FIND NEW FLAVORS AND WAYS TO EXCITE THE SENSES WILL
FIND NEW FLAVORS AND WAYS TO EXCITE THE SENSES WILL CONTINUE NEXT WEEK IN THE ART
EXCITE THE SENSES WILL CONTINUE NEXT WEEK IN THE ART OF AFRICA.
CONTINUE NEXT WEEK IN THE ART OF AFRICA. I'M JULIAN ZUGAZAGOITIA,
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