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>> >>PEGGY PICO: USED IN AREAS FROM WARFARE AND BORDER ENFORCEMENT TO TRACKING WILD FIRES
AND CROP DUSTING. THEIR RISING POPULARITY COMES WITH CONCERNS
OF PRIVACY AND DIVERSIBILITY. LARRY HINMAN, PROFESSOR OF PHILOSOPHY AT USD,
AND LUCIEN MILLER, CEO OF INNOVATIVE DESIGNS IN SAN DIEGO.
LARRY, ONE OF THE MAIN ETHICAL CONCERNS AROUND MILITARY DRONE USE IS THE INCIDENCE OF CIVILIAN
CASUALTIES. HOW ACCURATE ARE DRONES?
>> >>LARRY HINMAN: INTUITIVELY, YOU'D THINK THEY ARE VERY ACCURATE.
THE MOST RECENT STUDIES INDICATE THAT STILL MANNED AIR CRAFT ARE MORE ACCURATE THAN THEIR
DRONE COUNTER PARTS. THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
DEFENSE JOURNAL PRISM JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO ABOUT THAT.
>> >>PEGGY PICO: CONCERNS OVER CIVILIAN CASUALTIES ARE�
>> >>LARRY HINMAN: THEY STILL REMAIN. >> >>PEGGY PICO: LUCIEN, YOUR COMPANY MAKES
DRONES. YOU'VE BROUGHT THEM HERE, THEY'RE ONE IN THE SAME. TELL US ABOUT WHAT YOU BROUGHT
TODAY. >> >>LUCIEN MILLER: WE BROUGHT THREE EXAMPLE
OF SOME OF THE MODELS WE PRODUCE. THIS IS A PROTOTYPE OF A NEW SYSTEM WE'RE
DEVELOPING THAT COULD BE USED BY S.W.A.T. TEAMS OR SOMETHING, POLICE DEPARTMENTS IF
THEY NEED TO GET AN INSIDE VIEW OF A ROOM, YOU COULD THROW A BRICK THROUGH A WINDOW,
FLY THIS CRAFT IN THERE, AND THEN WITH A SMALL LITTLE VIDEO RECEIVER PAN AROUND THE ROOM,
SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND GET RIGHT BACK OUT TO FIND OUT IF YOU HAD A HOSTAGE SITUATION
OR NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF GUNS PEOPLE HAVE IN A ROOM.
>> >>PEGGY PICO: WHAT ABOUT THAT BIG ONE? >> >>LUCIEN MILLER: THIS IS OUR NAVIGATOR
800MILLIMETER HECKS CRAFT. THIS IS USED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING PHOTOGRAPHY,
WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHY, PEOPLE WILL TAKE THESE OUT TO PLACES LIKE GLAMMIS TO GET THAT REALLY
COOL EYE IN THE EYE PERSPECTIVE YOU CAN'T GET ANY OTHER WAY.
>> >>PEGGY PICO: YOU HAVE A STORY ABOUT HOW A DRONE WAS USED IN CANADA THAT WAS NONMILITARY.
>> >>LUCIEN MILLER: BACK ON MAY�6 OF THIS YEAR IN SASKATCHEWAN CANADA, THERE WAS A REPORTED
CASE OF A GENTLEMAN WHO HAD RUN HIS CAR OFF THE ROAD AND FLIPPED THE CAR, WAS EJECTED
FROM THE VEHICLE, DIDN'T HAVE A COAT ON, WHEN HE WAS THROWN OUT HE PULLED HIS SHOES OFF.
ALL HE HAD IN HIS POCKET WAS A CELL PHONE. HE CALLED THE CANADIAN EQUIVALENT OF 911,
REPORTED THE SITUATION. BECAUSE HE WAS OUT SO FAR IT TOOK AWHILE FOR
THE ROYAL CANADIAN POLICE TO GET THERE. WHEN THEY ARRIVED THEY FOUND HIS HIS CAR,
BUT THE GUY WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. IT JUST SO HAPPENED THAT THIS GROUP HAD ONE
OF THE NEW DRAGON FLY X4 QUAD COPTERS, VERY SIMILAR IN SIZE TO THE ONE HERE, IT WAS EQUIPPED
WITH AN INFRARED CAMERA SYSTEM THAT COULD SEE HEAT SIGNATURES.
WITHIN MINUTES THEY FOUND A BRIGHT WHITE DOT AT THE BASE OF A SNOW BANK ABOUT 600�FEET
AWAY FROM THE CAR. THEY SENT THE MOUNTIES OVER, THEY FOUND THE
GUY, HE WAS SUFFERING FROM LATE STAGES OF HYPOTHERMIA, KILLED UP IN A BALL UNRESPONSIVE.
THE UAV WAS ABLE TO FIND HIP HIM AND THEY RUSHED HIM TO THE HOSPITAL.
THE THEY NOT HAD THAT HE COULD HAVE DIED FROM FREEZING OVER NIGHT.
>> >>PEGGY PICO: LARRY CLEARLY IT CAN BE USED FOR GOOD, THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.
TELL US ABOUT THOSE. >> >>LARRY HINMAN: PART OF THE ISSUE I THINK
BE FACE AS A CHALLENGE IS HOW TO MOVE FORWARD IN A WAY THAT WILL GET THE GOOD USES AND GET
THE HARMFUL USES DROP OFF TO THE SIDE. IN THE MILITARY CONTEXT THAT'S HARDER.
IN THE CIVILIAN CONTEXT YOU'VE GOT SOME TREMENDOUS POSSIBILITIES OF VERY COST EFFECTIVE USES
OF UNMANNED ARIEL VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE REALLY� YOU KNOW, EXCITING.
>> >>PEGGY PICO: THAT BRINGS UP LUCIEN, THE QUESTION OF PRIVACY.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY TO CRITICS THAT SAY THIS IS AN INVASION OF PRIVACY.
IF THE POLICE ARE FLYING THIS OVER MY BACK YARD, IT'S AGAINST OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
TO PRIVACY, WHAT DO YOU SAY? >> >>LUCIEN MILLER: THERE'S ALREADY LAWS ON
THE BOOKS FOR ANTIVOYEURISM, ANTIPEEPING TOM, THERE ARE POLICE HELICOPTERS FLYING OVER EVERY
DAY THAT COULD LOOK AT YOUR YARD AND FIND SOMETHING IN YOUR YARD.
THIS TECHNOLOGY IS NOT USED IN A PERSISTENT MANNER.
IT'S USED ON AN ASNEEDED BASIS. THE TYPICAL FLIGHT TIME IS ONLY 10 TO 15 MINUTES.
IT'S NOT LIKE A POLICEMEN IS GOING TO BE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND LOOKING IN EVERY WINDOW
IN THE HOUSE ON THE STREET. IT'S FOR A CERTAIN SITUATION WHERE YOU NEED
AN EYE IN THE SKY VIEW, YOU CAN DEPLOY THE SMALL UAV, GET IT UP IN THE AIR, SEE WHAT
YOU NEED TO DO IN FIVE OR SIX MINUTES THEN LAND IT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE POLICEMEN DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD ALL NIGHT PEEPING IN YOUR BEDROOM
WINDOW WONDERING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. >> >>PEGGY PICO: THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO DISCUSS
ABOUT THIS CERTAINLY ON OUR WEBSITE, PEOPLE CAN FIND THAT CONVERSATION, KPBS.ORG.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.