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see some of the highlights uh... been good stuff yesterday no doubt the phoebe tomorrow
no doubt the uh... that uh... uh...
on that program they'll be talking about that today is really
uh... the
usually happy clearview's ruling from uh...
u_s_ district court ah... judge of on walker of the ninth circuit issuing a hundred and
thirty six-page ruling in perry versus schwarzenegger
which works better
familiar
i love the fact that one of the largest civil rights rulings
uh... of the past uh... you know really
in sometime in the united states
now we saw that come in
i remember uh... when i was watching conan the barbarian i thought
the long tradition that began with plessy versus ferguson of then lead to brown versus
board of education at the signing of the civil rights act in the voting rights act
somehow
we
uh... so in that very version schwarzenegger where ironically uh... arnold schwarzenegger
was the defendant but will tell you about for takers reaction where she was
was against prop eight there's some great irony there but anyway it is this overturns
prop eight which uh... five fifty two percent forty eight percent margin the people of california
voted for defining in november of await defining marriage as a union only between a man in
a moment
uh... again big ruling here from judge of on the walker of some of this is a legalese
but it is uh... important and this is a federal court ruling
uh... this was taken uh...
to federal court so it has implications
a far beyond a californian obviously it uh... will be appealed but significantly
mhm help of some of this reporting with done immediately afterwards
such as water did not put what's called a hold on his decision
so as when judges issue big decisions especially if they'll return a law
they know it's going to be appealed
they'll put a hold on the sale of his my decision
a motherly things cuz i know to be appealed to law can continue with the fact that this
is my decision and will wait for the p_l_o_ he
overturn this law
go ahead if you're game california
get merit come up with the hold on
it's gonna get appeal but i am so positive
that my decision is going to stand
i'm overturned the law allies overturned law but he's not even but no luck
so i'll let me read you a little bit of the law that we have some uh... a fascinating
sound bites uh... anna by the way
amicus very near
fair jackson who's as good or
i don't believe i said that the uh...
fascinating uh... sound bites from uh... that onto legal defense team uh...
uh... plaintiffs' team here of uh...
david boys and ted olson
usually guys who faced off against each other in two thousand four in the
in uh...
buttresses gore
right but that was too fast
welcome
and i hear they are a ten years later nearly exactly yet ten years later
uh... together
on this critical time on this critical civil rights case um...
and we'll hear from both of those guys uh...
uh... in a moment
uh...
so uh...
again a hundred thirty six-page ruling uh...
and here's some of what uh... judge walker uh...
i had to say
uh... quote although prop eight fails to possess even a rational basis
we start off with
it's irrational
although prop eight fails to do that's even a rational basis the evidence presented at
trial shows the gays and lesbians are of the type of minority strict scrutiny was designed
to protect
fence was saying
this is
what we're talking about this is what due process and uh... depicted this is
this is why we cracked it
civil rights legislation
i don't even know what i'm talking about this
i don't know why i have to write and thirty six pages about this its allies
plaintiffs do not seek recognition he says but a new right
to characterize plaintiffs objected objective as the right to same sex marriage would suggest
the plaintiffs seek something different
from what opposite sex couples across the state enjoy namely marriage
rather he says the plaintiffs *** california to recognize their relationships for what
they are
marriages
you dumb *** around
there's no ambiguity
it you can get married
they can get married why he you waste my time yeah i'd love it and love the fact that he
is clarifying
and emphasizing that this is a civil rights issue
something that a lot of people and did not it
anybody who supported prop it will say this is not a civil rights issue we talking about
have nothing to do that equality
of course uh... but uh... there was no ah...
said nothing about this it was anything other than having to do with uh...
uh... with the quality and then perhaps the most important political fighting that uh...
walker made uh...
and again i a month
are quoting here from the uh... uh... uh... story
uh... by a chance died at the uh... having a puzzle i give him credit he writes perhaps
the most important political finding out walker makes uh... is concluding uh... that uh...
the fact that prop eight he writes that that it was passed by a voter initiative
again you can hear arguments about uh... no right to the people what about the fact that
that would you care to know what the judge walker said about the fact that it was uh...
past uh...
as a voter initiative
what'd he say
uh... he said there was passes voter initiative was
uh... as well fundamental rights of may not be submitted to a vote they depend on the
outcome of no elections
you could bring new and again it's a point that uh...
that not only we made for soul all year of the young turks and others as well i certainly
don't want make it seem that
uh... that we had a monopoly on this
okay and in the nineteen sixties if you put to a vote fifty sixty seventies and eighties
nineties today as far as i know
in many states across the country
uh... certainly in many states in the south
that uh... show we have the vote where we banned uh... blacks whites getting married
it would've been approved
somewhat middlebury as not elevation of laws
uh... works by listening to sort of the loudest
uh... the jury so this is a
very very very powerful rule
uh...
then of course uh... it's gonna be appealed the
uh... are to the nights are good court of appeals the full night circuit
uh... that is uh... perhaps the least
traditionally
conservative
appellate court
in the country
uh... so if you're a conservative
social conservative
who hates gays
there's a good chance that's a loss yeah uh... there
uh... that they would up old judge walkers decision
uh... but
uh... whether they
you know
pick it apart a little bit diam obviously no idea would begin to speculate uh... there's
also justice likely i would think ur maybe actresses like that is also a possibility
that they were just
uh...
obviously
whoever
however the ninth circuit rules the loser
is going to appeal the supreme court
hard to believe
but again the supreme court doesn't range stuff you never know whether you take the
immigration case
and you never know firmly weather and take this case
seems like an important case seems like one where they think
now we're going up
we're gonna take this up
sometimes
they don't and then under no obligation to
woolsey uh... but that precedent here the language the for satellite which here from
judge ron walker is a
significant and it's a great victory
uh... four seven
huge victor i i i can't uh... i mean we're talking about the great up there in the first
hour
you know
scanning that feds hughes in that way phone lines full-body scans but
we get it on a day with a
rudely vitally important piece of uh... civil rights ruling
uh... from the light circuit uh...
uh... district court
uh... but uh... as i mentioned the lawyers in this case did the boys and ted olson working
together they became famous as opponents and bush gore in two thousand and
uh... back when we were preparing for the show ah... an hour and a half ago we didn't
have reaction to them but they
uh... were and that has spent
uh...
uh... at the aspen ideas yeah
the staff
idea that the names of the stuff the aspen ideas festival
it's not a festival
if it's called the aspen ideas festival
here's what happens at a festival
get drunk
you try to meet a girl
or maybe a bring your kids and you have a barbecue
there's no festivals call themselves the
ideas festival
that's not a festival
there might be some ideas
as a conference
comment if they want to know that they had the idea can make it a little saucy ok alright
absent
product that's great
like the without app you-know-what because
keep not a festival under the conference
so the aspen ideas
testable
uh... that was back in actual i spent a month ago uh...
uh... david wasn't edelson i sat down with uh... moderator i jeff rosen
and uh... they discuss the case and i got to be honest they sound like they sounded
like ive
who they were going
they didn't know when and i don't know that they knew to the extent
by the judge walker would
lower the hammer
on the opposition
but these guys
occasionally they'd say other when the ruling yet
but these guys were talking about how to be
acts at trial
they knew
they had presented a compelling case
so up
first awana start with uh... with uh... david boys who just sort of lays out
why this is uh... important saying that the but this is the only area
uh... the the ban on same sex marriage
the only area of state-sponsored discrimination
uh... left with the government discriminates
against a group of citizens that we have left in the country here's a
thursday the boys uh... ahmad
this is not p
no republican and democratic
this is a human rights issues with the civil rights missus constitutions
this is something that everybody with your conservative removal
financing deal
nobody
these days
discrimination
uh... so
you know you have uh... expect that from david boys cube represented
al gore
vietnam uh... and uh...
that you know and uh... had a reputation are going into that as uh...
maybe the country's preeminent
trial best litigate
uh...
and the law
uh... now
you know he lost uh... five four two a
the supreme court in many ways made legal scholars have said as you just about their
least logical decision in recent memory
but he did lose and politically he definitely got
outflanked uh... not just by candles and the by the whole sort of bush attack machine by
uh... unit led by
abidjan speaker but
and and
and call wrote but it was poorly play
uh...
uh... but nonetheless that's not that's not the end he may have made compelling argument
but uh...
so and many
word sort of thought of the sketch was to be so awesome but what he's clearly he may
not be the best
speaker on the courthouse steps but this guy clearly knows what he's doing
uh... when he's dealing with witnesses and and petals and spin with knowledge that
uh... but first ted olson the conservative who represented uh... george w_ bush
uh...
nobody getting here uh... he thought
no same thing
crucial civil rights case
and they join together
at here's clip to uh... this is uh... ted olson uh... echoing
uh... david voice that this is state-sponsored discrimination and not liberal not conservative
but every american
ought to be against it settles
trying to get the truth
of the impact
of taking away the fundamental right to mary from uh...
segment of our society
how that fits in with discrimination historically in this country government sponsored
discrimination what that uh... that hundred does individuals
and that's really what they focused on what the horrible those two individuals and when
we come back
uh... what i found fascinating is how these guys
so-called
supporters of prop eight
at trial the questions that i asked him and how they want after an and david boys apparently
pick them apart and ten olson
praises david boys in the manner that he had with them
at and that kind of basic questions that david boys asked
to which there was only one response
about gay marriage
and it's so simple and so brilliant
uh... i will hear a little bit of more just the releases one more cell but left from ted
olson but it uh...
you'll all trace of the questions that they boys after trial
again for reaching implications huge decision
uh... from the at night circuit district court
far reaching implications essentially saying
no state
in the united states
convention
that's what this decision says
if this decision stands
and uh... appellate court the supreme court
the end of any effort percent sex marriage
unless there's a constitutional amendment to ban
which isospin which
we for well now
uh... there will be an effort to make that happen but that is very tricky so we'll hear
more from these guys will say about their sort of brilliantly simple strategy a trial
when we come back
i seen a domain name to it and i asked my budget man
and i said why should i got a civil obviously to achieve it easy to go to go daddy dot com
and use at the white people look at
however that many of her film anything coming out of here uh... judge for walkers uh...
decision
you know two hundred thirty six page decision and it came out so uh... you and i never wanted
bread every part of it as things sort of of moved along here but yet he said so many great
things and such an interesting guy to come out with this decision
first of all the correct one thing that i said earlier i said he didn't put a hold on
it
he also did not to put a hold on it
uh... so it does not yet
uh... the right for gay marriage to resume in california not immediately
he wants to decided reads here from the a_p_ weathers order should be suspended
well uh... supporters of the band pursue their appeal
both sides of this obit written arguments for that by friday so he's gonna make a ruling
soon about whether speaking to holding pending the appeal
based on the decision
i have a feeling he's going to say
lined up a deal
don't care because there is again
there's no ambiguity about uh... what he said we get back to david boys and uh...
ted olson a sector and let me read you couple takes its gunna said it somebody some believe
uh... calendar constitution's due process equal protection clause is talked about there
the first section
uh... for segment uh... uh... that uh... the profit violated due process equal protection
just flat-out firewood
failing to advance any rational basis
for singling out gay men and lesbians in denial of of uh... of their right back
so if there's no rational but snap
again proposition eight does not mean more than a trial in the california constitution
the notion that the opposite sex couples are superior to same sex couples
a proposition eight he says this is my favorite uh... it's not a my paper because there's
so much good stuff afterwards
prop eight played on that
that exposure of homosexuality would turn children into homosexuals and the parent should
read having children
who are not hadapsar
he's like sayin
today
are line
they made of nonsense
your kids can be exposed to homosexuality
not a bad thing to happen
and they're not gonna become
day
and if they do
relax right you know and he had absolutely right about that i remember it when
and be ads in support for proposition eight were coming out every single one of them had
to do with
everything one had to do with kids and infant if u vote against proposition eight they're
going to teach about homosexuality churkin kindergarteners right
that since it happened and learn about homosexuality
they're gonna learn about how homosexuals have sex and in fact they are going to convince
your children to become homosexual right exactly
uh... bland
hoosier partner
gary okayed plan in gary
today are less than is oral sex you guys go on the corner
the rest of the boys watch girls this is not free
really it's unrealistic but the trouble with that is
so many people fell for it so it
so that's the reason why propagate past
mhm during the time that all this debate was happening uh... around proposition eight i
was taking uh...
classes for graduate school right and my professor told me that he has a mother living in new
york she's extremely extremely liberal
and she's like yeah if i was in california of course i would vote for proposition eight
they're gonna teach
about homosexuality they're gonna kaminski is that they need to be homosexual how do
you can do that first of all he got through that are you convinced somebody to beat get
right exactly you know the problem is with the teachers
not make their teachers
uh...
uh... so i'll add on to say to get prop eight played on a fear that exposure to homosexuality
with her children into homosexuals
and the parents should read having children who are not heterosexual
uh... the plaintiffs uh... will we get to that the sack about how many witnesses were
called because i want to get back to david boys and ken olsen
uh... so uh... i by the currently same-sex couples can only legally wed massachusetts
iowa connecticut vermont to capture d_c_ that this law if it's upheld is going to prevent
any state from preventing it
let's talk of briefly about uh... judge
uh... water walk i love this i think is the best part of the story
uh...
appointed he uh... by uh... a bill clinton
no appointed by with
brocco bomb
appointed busy in older judge perhaps appointed during uh... uh... jimmy carter's presidency
i don't believe so as you really old as the uh... uh...
breakage libero point about lyndon johnson
of course
appointed by
ronald ray
ronald reagan appointee
uh... according the associated press his nomination was held up for two years
by whom
gate rights
activists ironic who worried he was hostile to gauge this guy's is the most and not kill
aidid judge against criticism for this decision
in the world as a lawyer
before his nomination
through the district court the federal district court he helped in the u_s_ olympic committee
sill agape former olympian
who would create an athletic competition called the galebs which is funny
so he helps sooooo great galeb x and uh...
uh... and and then was his nomination held up for two years
by gay rights activists
as a reagan appointee
obviously though he is a damn
always a republican
join the party well it's tedford during the vietnam war protest 'cause he didn't like
the vietnam war protest
and he spent two years
parking for a judge
appointed
by richard nixon
dilip go i sure do sixty one days
you know i a lot of people in there doing certain things is so whole heartedly knowing
we know what the but the problems of the road issue is
this like maybe smile who there is some went to war any file now for san is a problem
or they're making a big gains are monday night last alone like it is amazing and some ppl
blacking seven percent on the table i'm speculating
right but these attempting zip
minnesota harper one way
may come back
either way it's it's amazing some and perhaps yet that's a purple we don't know that's entirely
possible
and but i also think that he is a professional
legal
this case
is eighteen oh
you cannot
in on it
basic rights
to a certain segment of the population
you just can't do it
he knows that it's the same way
that if the justice department they were all these reagan appointees reagan in the first
george bush
appointees of the justice department who went albedo gonzalez's got there
and he wanted to fire these prosecution work pursuing political cases advocated by the
bush administration
these republicans were like
were prosecutors
we prosecute cases i'm not idon't care about the politics emina what it comes to me appalling
time i'd probably vote in for a republican
but i'm glad you're my job i prosecute criminals about here is a republican delegate they're
professionals this guy
upon walker
is a professional
and this case
i think is a uh...
it's cases no bread we're gonna read some more stuff to the about the case but i want
i want finish of the but as a jersey pointers that kinda guy who
maybe he had a big change of heart but my hunch is no but he always
this was an issue but if it ever been presented an issue like
you know any responsible judge appointed by republican
first of all he's a all school republican appointed by when
the party was not completely dominated in leadership
by people who were sort of
incredibly apostol and mean-spirited
gays an immigrant
you know he could have just pick literally he could have had a republican because i don't
like the vietnam war protests
uh... and our taxes
i mean that literally which is that
one hundred percent
reasonable uh... ported
but yeah or or he was the dole incensed and then it turned out somebody that mattered
to him was gaining rethought everything but again there's i don't think there's anything
to rethink it
uh... one of the primary arguments that former justice department lawyer charles cooper
he represented the group's that's part of the band and because jerry brown and ronald
toward sagar of the return general jerry brown now running for governor
and arnold schwarzenegger of course the weight lifter
uh... because they refused to support
proposition eight
uh... they they were original defendant they were like
were defendants because of our jobs
no interested participating in this so it was really uh... left to this protect marriage
group justice for a former justice for organic charles cooper he represented these groups
he said cultures around the world previous court in congress all accepted quote the common
sense belief that children do best when they raised by their own uh... mother and father
so really called to what witnesses
they said that uh... the shrimp or preston was on their side
gay marriage an experiment
unknown social consequences
left the voters to accept or reject again bone walker going
accurate voters
don't care about this their fundamental rights voters can't take that away
uh... david boys and ted olson called eighteen witnesses academic experts about topics ranging
from the thickness of gay parents
to religious views on homosexuality historical meeting of marriage political influence of
the gay rights movement
because of course the struggle meeting of marriage these uh... conservatives
they just say it
now that we've always had this media marriage i guarantee they knew it was
and it turns out of course
across the world there
all different kinds of
accepted banker although i'll concede that most merchants are between equal
lasted thirteen days but with david boys did on cross-examination of that
defense witnesses
was asked questions like
not about
what happens to kids
who uh... i have to get
he said like
his marriage important
right
and that if they would say
of course marriage is important
and or their unfortunate consequences if you're not
and they would say
their unfortunate consequences economic again making sure to make the point that
world it agree here that marriage is important and if we get you to agree that marriage is
important
and the kids should be
should have married parents
everybody and that marriage no matter who's buried everything is rabbi asking you about
anyone lol most they have no he said they ask questions
to which the only answer was yes
his marriage important portion up to be married is an important value
two marriages their value in marriage
marriage differ kids
highline rec how do you
where these projects that were denied
picked up what's ahead so that they'd say well give her the billy
simple yes or no
is marriage
good for kids
no way i have to say yes
uh... so they ask these questions
and it obviously effective driving the point home about
that there's value in marriage that there's incredible value of marriage
how on earth
are you going to deny this thing where there's incredible value
to a segment of society that your isolating cell let's go to clip three here of ted olson
talking about
uh... value of the way david boys in court
uh... when after the uh... a defense witness appears petals
i thought it was uh... an exemplar i'll
trial in america means for american independent system of the judiciary
and exposing
contentions of people to the crucible of cross-examination and from that's what america's about and that's
what was revealed during that
process across
those of us were in the courtroom
warplanes testified
was a single person in that
was nineteen
uh... it was a
moving experience
it was to uh...
seemed to be a couples that were the the plaintiff in the case
these guys have boys in olson or go-around suggesting
that
people take that transcripts
of the trial
read them onstage
just as a almost as a play
just reading the transcript they say that with these guys said out themselves with the
witness like we were so off from it should be applied solemn notice he added that the
witnesses were so moving that and that everyone should if they hear it
if they hear with these guys said
they will understand
that this is a basic civil rights issue that they'll be moved this is
you know this is uh... on the part with
you know brown versus board of education if this is like the civil rights act this is
a fundamental moment and fundamental right now american history
no one
probably over
reading
no i don't think i have no no no i would love this
but here a couple other things that that walker said we think we've clarified most of the
important points
their it's not
you can't get married yet
you have to wait till monday
uh... written
written arguments uh... about ah... whether we should proceed or hold it
uh... until the appeal goes through those are due
friday for the judge walker
republican conservative reagan appointee
for by gay rights activists twenty dont um...
here's what uh...
the i wouldn't believe it it's like you've with like faking it
that like this story acting like this is a gigantic size is huge it didn't get very important
but that makes the story that much uh... again it's so great arquette era arafat read it
i might your
the big or you couldn't have prompted this better
so here a couple of things that walker said quote
*** orientation is commonly discussed his characteristic of the individual
*** orientation again he sort of he's calumet his decisions
contradicting
what the defendants were archit *** orientation connally's gus is characteristic of the individual
so it's it's part of who you are *** orientation is fundamental
to a person's identity
and distinguishing characteristic that defines gays and lesbians as a discreet group
uses who
they are
proponents assertion that *** orientation cannot be defined
is contrary to the weight of the evidence
their day
it's easier to find and it makes them who they are
shep
i don't i don't have the full thing here i'm pretty sure he did say shut up it's a very
long really haven't got
quote another point individuals do not generally choose their *** orientation reply like
the generally
is that
probably some people
actually palace so they're like
experiment
individuals not generally choose their *** orientation
about this guy stupid question
and again he's heard the evidence now
it's not just
we're not just having conversations
he's heard evidence it's you know it's true
intrinsically
but he's heard the evidence no
credible evidence
no credible evidence
supports a finding that an individual may
through conscious decision
therapeutic intervention or any other method
change is or her *** orientation
the gate conversion groups
screw-up
no evidence that it works nothing you can do
no therapeutic intervention a call from
he's given a little credit
therapeutic intervention
you call yourselves whatever serious thing you want
it's nonsense he can't decide
three three free perfect perfect okay
and that you look really nice and u_n_ excellent
***
and i would like to see them
naked
and then we would have sex
you know you know no dude you can't do it you can't do it
you know i'd be like chairman wave
after the show
mhm
so uh...
knows that no conscious is in no therapeutic intervention or any other method quote
seems that couples since this couple's or identical
two opposite sex couples
in the characteristics
relevant to the ability to form successful merrily
if you're if you can be happy with with the east
if i can be happy if jr can be happy
then patients can also be happy
uh... estimates allied opposite sex couples the same sex couples have happy satisfying
relationships formed deep emotional bonds strong commitments to their partners
obviously
and again that's all for your campaign although no they're crazy they sleep with everybody
they don't come for the bonds that we do and a half of course heterosexual couples get
divorced right they help on the for for the bonds of half of us do
connect with their argument should be their own form the bonds that forty eight percent
about mop-up bond with a today mr dot light up
aldo
their opened the buttons that forty eight percent of us do
on standardized measures of relationship satisfaction
relationship the justman and love do not differ depending on whether couples said sector
they're the same couple more
no we're gonna take a break annemarie at four more beauties and it has to do with kids so
he also comes down about kids and child rearing
and it's fantastic i'll tell you everything you read out of this station gets better
and better and better
amma make sure we get to this
and then here from senate candidate and bark
in that colorado talking about
abortion
uh... cases of ***
an ***
uh... what he says is
interesting
and will uh... provoke
argument at hostility
and disagree
right here in the studio
it'll be good stuff stay with him
you need it
designed to protect the narrow witnessed ten bucks it everything we offer
and the kids uh... as civil rights blowout and sometime late devastating loss for us
supporters of uh... a ban on uh... gay marriages district court judge of on walker is issued
it
on the ambiguous rolling
uh... in support of uh...
uh... permitting uh... said sex marriage or certainly uh... preventing states from preventing
it
which ultimately
will allow it
to get married if you're gay
so uh... in his ruling we've read about two points in his ruling
aids essentially saying it
uh... center fill up the textiles as a check-up sex couples of same details and when i show
that form the same bonds people choose their *** orientation
and if you're gay that's just part of who you are
uh... so now he continues
marrying a person of the opposite sex and a isn't unrealistic option for gay lesbian
and a fish
again seems obvious for us but he's heard the evidence from a eighteen witnesses from
david boys and settles in
uh... to witnesses from
uh... the rather uh... arrogant side of the uh...
uh... of the defendant's who would like us of
process on our side and it up
that was their essentially it appears there argument
uh... people for years and years uh... they know it's a mental com
uh...
uh... but here's the evidence and he's like marrying peppers and the opposite sex unrealistic
option if you're good
uh... but again he hears the evidence and it's in the decision
quotes same-sex couples receive the same tangible intangible benefits for marriage that opposite
companies sex couples for ***
you get the same the bonds you get that city comes out of the point that he made before
you know
the sense of family everything that you get
from uh... opposite sex married you get from the same sex marriage some of that comes from
the great direct questions that david boyes
i would imagine asks of the defendant's those people
uh... supporting proposition eight
you know is uh... isn't his marriage in important value
love that question
uh...
isabel fortunate not to be there
that unfortunate circumstance for god yes
uh...
certificate
that such a great question if it's good forget
about that
complete
yes he look dumb
so uh...
uh... so here's another point uh... the availability of domestic partnership so again a lot of
states form in the civil unions domestic partnerships
hehehhe a compromise uh...
uh... that i was calling carriage or lay reached for a while
but i thought was
i wasn't i'd until at least alan that 'cause it's certainly not the same i thought of separate
but equal
separate but equal uh... the supreme court ruling in plessy versus ferguson
was inherently wrong you couldn't possibly
give separate but equal but it struck me that civil unions
you could get allot closer two separate but equal that
i'm not saying as a good idea
but to say it was just like
was he prefers that was just like separate but equal it was because you get a lot closer
to being equal and it's possible he gave exactly the same benefits
how is it not equal
first of all all the way i was flat out wrong
even though i don't think it was quite
the same thing but ultimately here's what uh... judge walker i say about that and and
and obviously he's smarter than i and he's right and basically in the end i was wrong
props ironically to uh... to restructure who've just convinced me
on this show with compelling or
quote the availability of domestic partnership does not provide gays and lesbians with the
status equivalent to marriage
so the domestic partnership the civil union knocked the same
does not provide gays and lesbians with the status equivalent to marriage because the
cultural meaning of marriage and its associated benefits are intentionally withheld from same
sex same-sex couples
in domestic partnerships
you can give them the insurance the right the hospital you can give them all that stuff
but the associated benefits the status of it
it's not the same
can't get it he saying
because they ask these questions his marriage matter his marriage important marriage good
for kids
yes so he said okay
it matters marriage matters
marriage matters
than marriage maps edad domestic partnerships because marriage matters
finally permitting same sex couples to marry will not affect the number of opposite sex
couples
who married divorced
cohabit
have children outside of marriage or otherwise affect the stability
of uh... opposite sex marriage
i mean
not gonna change anything
as he said earlier it's not going to affect
kids it's based on you know there's no the whole thing was based on fear that if you
have this your kid will this will turn your kid gay
a hand that you should fear your kid
uh... being day that uh...
and that there's a benefit for kids and and having parents i mean it just
uh... hit
couldn't be more clear
everything about this case
uh... is clear anna landslide victory
for gay rights supporters and uh...
i mean uh... stunned by it
and i'm stunned by it
the political history
object on the walk
reagan appointee opposed by gay rights activist
and then significant upon brought up in the beginning covering up again
that irrelevant that it's a voter reaction
i'd just love the gag order
move
so great
uh...
alright so
rejoice in this it is going to be appealed it'll certainly show up before the full night
circuit that's a no brainer
the i'm certain they'll hear it
certainly like to be
uh...
uh... then the uh... likely the supreme court and then of course
only god
um...
and of course i would imagine the supreme court will hear it
anyone who says it's a guarantee
we don't know what the supreme court to do the ninth circuit could issue a good opinion
and they could think
we're not taking the sup that's a pretty good opinion
that stance that's the law
uh...
and then of course as i said will there will be by summer revisiting of the constitutional
amendment to ban same but is that it's in the constitution
and then you can't really say that the equal protection clause in the due process close
to the pastors are violated because you have an amendment
to the constitution to get around
was hard to amend the constitution
which is relevant
republicans who want to under the fourteenth
with another
um...
so uh... i
ten-block is uh... running for the senate
in uh... colorado he is uh...
but he's one of the republican seeking the nomination the primary there
is next tuesday he is running against a woman named uh... jane norton
you currently in a poor but just at a denver post up lol which i think it's a it's survey
u_s_a_ denver post poll
he is up fifty two forty one nine percent undecided so he is when it is that the key
fifty percent margin
uh... he was asked recently uh...
his opinion
abortion
uh... which is being a republican running for senate there's not a republican running
for the senate than the last
ten years
who's been pro-choice
but perhaps the two centers at that
in maine but no
no previously on elected member of the senate here run for the senate
now if you're a fresh face
uh... the question is just how anti-jewish spark
so at the question is put to work
uh... toucan bach
uh... and this is his answer here
regarding that that can but this is a prepped to hallie hills about
did he do
uh... dot
fourth
for or against abortion
if you're not working
reporting from incidents mission
i don't believe in the sections of *** or ***
believe this is the only
the only uh... exception against islam
only griffiths truly vital
netware situation
favorites
nelson
position
the and so does that sit by and get it also if thats
avalon tended to rate and she happens to get
pregnant then there are some moderate inflation screw her
of like the like the life of the mother
i guess
actually surprised that he said that
uh... because usually conservatives who take that extends out when it comes to *** and
***
uh... also believe that if a woman's life is in danger well tough negative ad how that
baby
uh...
uh... i would like to uh... mimic if i could go the reaction
when uh...
uh... ten bucks said personally tried that little joke with uh... i'm pro-life next question
but he didn't even leave time for a bob rolodex quest ok uh...
this is a uh... exhibiting the great comic timing that so many republicans have
uh... tougher problem week order about work very funny uh...
so here's the uh... on board and then make the applause that he got what he said uh...
no exceptions
even in the case of records
go ahead dot section six of the wreckage
at no exceptions
uh...
and there was not a definition of the word uh... smattering
then we just uh... developed it there
okay now and i here we go i'm curious what uh... jr say about this
i'm going to agree with him
uh... nine hai ab
i'm going to be with ten bucks
in the context
of ken bach
people who are pro-life
i'm obviously
couldn't be more portraits
if you're a pro-life
that it shouldn't make any difference
how you got pregnant
if you believe that to be
a life that has to be
protected
no matter what the woman wants to do
that it's not up to her
and what difference does it like i've always thought that was a contradiction that know
if you're really if that's how you see it you're making that choice then
and yeah
and i'm sorry that you got ***
make the best
that's one reason why it took
is a ciliary giving him credit for being consistent i'm giving him credit for being consistent
i can actually blood and i don't disagree with you on that
i still think it's a disgusting france initiative little intimidated that it's hard to defend
but it'd
uh... and life of the mother i see is a reasonable exception
because you are a sense in your mind
defending life
and you can't allow someone else
uh... to die although i would see that you act i could even see someone not supporting
that their position if you want to be consistent
uh... no
perfect backpack that amir let's get one minute death
what is because alive sanjivet excuse
or the reasoning behind only you know this isn't responsible people
uh... you know you're not supposed to have sex for marriage anyway restlessness so then
they stay throwin
eclectic group people who
maybe chosen that uh...
to have an abortion
today responsible that they just rode around their horrors
just different that there's a negative tone of the speaker of the things they've it's
their fault because that's a little says
it's obvious that the fall
and it's phil gramm a goal
distinct response for each of them but that was in the first place
he would not use of mysticism but
this isn't there
they don't buy and sell tins in the word protect
uh... obviously that your your are great your read about that
uh... but
at all that said i still see a consistency
moral opinion
in what ten bucks says and i'm not outraged by it
if you accept already
fifties
that's all
and no more outraged by it that i was at his position and the first place i were back tomorrow
we'll talk more about uh... staggering defeat for approx site