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lately have been on a warpath for legalizing prostitution
uh... one of the legendary of global sex workers
circle actually karelian
uh... is going to join us now and tell us why hope
in fact that's
i hoped she would say that that's a good idea or that's what i expect cal
automobile turks i've got to be here
so carola
vanessa
montana albright him on a kind of mine yeah i think it is she said she was part
of the this group i totally you're involved in this welfare friend
and she said
legalize prostitution decriminalizing
but pig-headed pet active make that distinction what legal i don't mean it
according to the active deficit input about over-regulation like in the bottom
and decriminalization
we think that that means regulating it as you go to regulate other businesses
okay so favor then of the decriminalization
legalization quietly cried because what they can but if you're not going to
carry they wouldn't get the fairly good anguish
i guess it's are you
this sex workers for
or reviews
it's my understanding is your whole life nine oh yeah hibaaq dot i think that in
nineteen seventy eight
siesta while burned and katelyn altho if nothing else ocap i've i've done it many
many years
and
uh... why did you decide to become an activist fear rather than because most
people are
artists in the bill clinton poverty and passionate on
right well you know i've been accurate before i became effect worker an arm
i remember i sat down for that pledge of allegiance to protect the vietnam war
aveda feminine it seventy prepared for
or especially from a thirty-five come from a big political family
and i'll tell you cannot do that though if in fact started doing that for a guy
i real life that that certainly with
heated active
spoiler sequester estrada who was his how did you seal on the first place
after add code
that you want gary but i i think graduate school i went to study poetry
but and back
and that would confirm after he committed suicide at at boston
university
and um... you know it was kind of lately have prompted because by the defendant
that i thought that it's really capitulating to manual
suzanne does not
about what they i believe that
charlie the apostle w rather easy thing to do to do
uh... u
yeah
you know what it would be a plus in this is an easy thing to do to avoid well
how much committed article i didn't want to work for you know if we can improve
enough
i kind of a hippie are temporary i got a lot of different things i remember i
told marijuana you note trikha basically i was in the underground economy usfca
soon right
i had bilingual pampered crypto i saw my credit working at
ices these are the good old days and while okay
sick that ok enacted but how does a development you need some money didn't
you said you would need more working forty hours a week and i don't let my
brothers that allocated money and the aburto weekend carey attacked we have
had a couple of pamphlets about it and i
character but no one can ever do that
underwood couple of prompted panetta woman with an older lesbian
feminist activists and he confessed to me that he did it my started meeting
these people
who told me how to beat he could but i do it
aircraft at these people and i thought
powder
i thought it was something too
who are not not too many people it
wanted from first-person perspective you know
so i thought you know i'm a writer i thought i would try is that they sizzle
and when you did so
how do you feel that you feel like that i was interesting uh... to make that
happen i can make that work or did you have any qualms about when you first saw
it happen blood started right away and i don't know if you look at the front of
my life work him
ali i went down to a metallic rather an
there weren't all over the world women from vietnam and from korea and mmm-hmm
and i i thought that they would be really ab tak just i'm hearing about
prostitution and
item polite i would concern but that's what
struck me immediately was that they would be
strong survivors remembers knife interesting and
and i thought will win it all the things that they heard about prostitution
weren't true in their car
another reality and
i thought that was a good job for me i'm going to explore it that you know i've
remembered you know gloria steinem he worked for playboy and then he wrote it
back but they tracking them
mhm how do you remember that i don't know how dennis well if i could benefit
freaked out
fear can do it but i can
well profit picture and then basically any
and write about it
so how do you square this will send them to be geez
but how did you go from thinking that this is an objectification of women
what would you consider empowering women i don't know i don't necessarily
empowering american power they have a little more money but then of course
take the fifth man
and you can offer blue-black you know i don't really i don't really have not
without the word black-and-white adjusted with a empowered for me to find
something like that
and
it without yet
basically different kind of a survival strategy
for many women and you know from the feminist perspective i feel like
that we not appropriate for her in a middle class family educated women to go
around the world saying well you get to bed he couldn't do that they took away a
lot of people provide now from a it was basically curiosity i i had adaptec time
i would try and take credit cards also at that time but
but elm
i think that the wait nai
last at all i didn't know that i think about and talk about it at that
we have to respect that survival strategy for different women you know
we have checked for various reasons and that we make them sometimes that
defect is providing needs
so at this point
you are in favor of whatever you want to call the lies near decriminalizing et
cetera raha
what is the main reason that you have for that is that that
is uses the survival strategy and that women should be
before this opportunity to to do it is it uh...
and freedom argumentative day human beings consensual adult should be
allowed to do whatever you want was named thrusts of or why you think you
should really well-connected though it have
who had cherry pick it up on my body whatever patrick buchanan
i'd be able to have that
with whoever i want him for whatever reasons i wanted to feel like
a private period
bata bodily integrity but i also feel that it alum
antiquated they could not a film that right up my body but i i also think that
it doesn't take any friend from date to criminalize up
what actually if again a private charity for people who are often pull right now
it up and trying to provide for the kind of from
on both perspective
massachusetts scores also through the book unrepentant poor
and the website unrepentant or dot com right that's provocative site all you
have a better i think about it
uh... house effected your personal life that's you know
did you lose a lot of friends and family over you know saying hey i am an
unrepentant poor hurt you know that's because that's pretty hard
hoping that the difficulty that might i've told my mother but bob iger known
though
i would never reported birthday i might might
found out he coming out from little t_v_ hanging in there
and then she told the public person convertibles
problem of the family but it's been a long time now i think my family
and felt like i remember the celebrity and maybe it's okay i just kind of out
that they feel that
i'm doing well with it and i don't think ideologically they necessarily disagree
with me
one
that like my bra by typing it probably the most supportive
so carol let me ask you something
because yesterday after the show we were talking about this
all right here in the studio and and ask that you might
remain in the post if you have
well how do you feel if your daughter because i'm in favor of legalizing
prostitution right now i'd like to be about avatar me
yeah
bank details we we really appreciate that
essence and questions i thought i had a had a good question that i mean
you sell the i_n_s_ and and think that it's old testified that
that if you had a daughter and i don't know about what your premises races
there
and she said mom i'd like to be approximately be totally okay with it
now i don't have anything pampered over the epidemic friend who get with this
issue
added and why they wouldnt
fairly want their daughters have to go to it that you know exactly what the
outcome
that literature omg
it
rather than
about
women who are trying to put park their children that they don't have to be
prosecuted that actually a big part of this
so abby and i think that that that's that's really part of it that
after all they want people to remember this stomach
it matted such a difficult job id
and certainly with criminal taking you wouldn't necessarily want someone to do
it
but you know again i don't have any children and i'd
being minute
young daughters do wind up
working at pittsburgh person
it's worked out i mean they're definitely involved in a way that my
kids that attend then other wait let me know if it's a diversity of conditions
you can work it broke they usually introduced to it the way that they're
reburied that
sterile is using like you said you know it's hard but you you've been involved
in the long time not just that sue
the sex workers you call it
but the in activism realm for so long and you know you calling the word sex
work in the nineteen seventies and see
your cover band pioneering this sent in an old an actress in a row long-time
even our budget tv shows etcetera and that's where you know as you mentioned
you became a will go to the mideast no celebrity there
uh... and after all this so i i wasn't comeback genuinely curious about it
you as the title of the suggest really unrepentant lena
he had to do it over again is this what you would do her
uh...
i mean i want to be like my record on earth them for you know but i get
through this
certificate showing
that
i mean my mother made me think that i would primary doctor ira doctor koop had
a lot of other live than
etc etc
question it just became fed being carla carla demand with defense perspire maui
techrepublic david we have to have a pioneer in this
bernard feel like i'm in a fortune conviction though
uh... life
situation
pretty special ite
i'd never idon't really regret it right
sometimes i would look good
big so i would prefer accurate whatever you know i did not all of that i think
that but
pretty fortunate
lessons and it's a great nuances
i really appreciate you being honest about our and
and i think the bottom line on it is indeed a by the way he hadn't been
tells the chokehold struggle
and uh...
and she has in the past does so many different things turn out our website so
you can
i get a sense of of different things and cals of all that
tech carol
i guess the bottom line on all this is that just like you said when i ask the
question of
you know what was the principal reason the you're behind us which is that
you give people a choice
and not everybody is that so i got to be madonna i mean i wouldn't mind being the
done either
the perot group is seeking
show but did we have
so it's over
body or at least we should
if people choose to go down this path that they should ameen
militarily elaborately come into my bedroom and what i'm doing i think that
the proper to me that they are
a bottom-line active gases
hope that the really cut diamond yeah the bush administration has been
exploitative can i get out of here on the world and
you don't hear much about it on unproductive afternoon but you're the
only one has been talking about it i mean when went to buy it led with mobile
telecom you really want to be able to talk about the fact that he would in
part to make sure they would not prosecuted around the world
and of course it was his trusted that horse and i think that you know that
they have no legislation if they are fed up right now
and
wikiproject picking up the prosecution from the faith hill the department of
justice f_b_i_ lie
who were asansol and on that note because ideas he's a really good point
on that
thing about this this not just a matter of personal freedom here in the u_s_ and
what do you want to do or or or don't want to do or have to do with cetera and
they're moving our bedrooms but they were setting international policy and
it's having it's getting people kills
because what you said well that's it sounds kind of ours because
with saying we're not going to be any funding if this wasn't going to pass a
two-step across the world but if we don't give them funding
people get sick and we don't give them condoms they get sick they get cases
they wind up dying
but i think
prostitution illegal in cambodia pick out that the president could you know i
mean that just happened very upset about that you can imagine yes no city has
enormous consequences throughout the world
the main thing is we want the sex to be safe
and unfortunately this is the bush administration policies never get parts
wiley counterproductive as usual are terribly of the website is unrepentant
poor dot com
solicitors is appreciated
thank you very much