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doctor daryl raising organizational psychologist consultant and author of
the new book sex and god which i have here how religion distorts sexuality
uh... it you know it's fascinating because at the end of our last interview
i kind of half jokingly said the next book should be
exploring the bizarre *** practices of
religious extremists and that's not that's not
primarily what this book is about but in a way that that kind of this is not
well yeah there's a lot of stuff in their downtown
well wide range of religions experiment express their sexuality from islam
demanded christians
it it's always funny that every one of the major religions is very concerned
with sex and sexuality why is that
it's it has to do with uh...
concept i first exploring in the gardeners my first when my third book
and um... it
in their religions have to teach you want to be guilty of
and why the most uh...
critical things
one of the things that's uh... most
we're gonna do we're going to be saxo effective a religion can teach you to be
guilty around sex
then you have to come back to that particular religion to get forgiveness
so hindi teacher went to be guilty have been the only place in get forgiveness
for *** cn
is in the hindu religion
same thing for bed to see on see too many bad this confessing to is lot
moslem p moms
you don't see catholics confessing to baptists
you guys that come back to the place you learn to get on the first place
and some of the planting a seed to later than uh... reap the rewards of those
people coming back to you
absolutely i called and tackled the guilt sekolah
it could forces people to come back to the place they learned to gil
and every religion has its own particular guilt pattern
and even particular *** kilpatrick
the things that org are wrong islam maybe
wrong or not wrong in christianity or not right or wrong in in hinduism europe
india
a range of differences you mentioned in the book that uh... those who were
brought up with strict the religious upbringing
don't necessarily have different about *** activity histories that those who
are brought up without though at the imposition of those religious values
they simply fear feel more guilty about it which is interesting because when you
talk to
i think many who choose any strict religious upbringing for their children
part of their expectation maybe incorrectly is that their children will
actually behave differently when it comes to sex it doesn't seem like it
that way they just feel more guilt about it
absolutely there
their cars we now have sixty or seventy years where the research on human
sexuality
and there is not a nichols were two different between eight christian and
their *** expression
and a non-christian or hindu or a moslem make all express themselves
very similar ways where humans
or biological creatures and we're going to express our sexuality in some fashion
for example ninety five percent of all americans
for fifty years we've done that ninety five percent of all americans have sex
before marriage
well i guess that means the only if you are having sex before marriage where the
catholic priests and the baptist ministers
well you know it's certainly not true with catholic priest
yet it's not
so what's going on
and one of the key theses of the book is that if you are religious then you have
a lot of *** life you cannot
your *** you're having sex before marriage
your fantasizing you're using ***
you just can't tell of repeating buddy you you you are
and so you have to live a life you have to ask if delivery cure sexually pure
win
there's almost no one to could live that life and like i said the five percent
that don't have sex before marriage
who knows who they are they're pretty rare breed
there's another interesting part of the book where you you talk about how in in
kind of conventional wisdom focuses a lot on the middle houston kind of
district
anti-woman laws that exist in many parts of the middle east connected to often
sometimes of the muslim faith but then you point out the reality is
that western religions also have a long history of dangerous anti woman rules if
you really want to look into it
it's just talked about allot lessening tell us about some of those rules
well i did you just let me correct
uh... contra cynicism
uh... g com commoner
incident where it there is now two trojan horse vice president inner you
cut off
funding for planned parenthood rifle that's
art that's a clear religious right approach
dual the war against women
mean they're cutting off funding that is supporting women's
women's health
but they're doing it because of their
religious agenda around where women fit in the family and and what kind of
behavior women should and shouldn't be doing
entered the war is
women women should be under the control of me in
and there's no doubt about that and in the christian theology
i mean you see this whole like the quiver full movement where
where women are expected to have as many children's possible in the under the
thumb of of the uh... but the man and things like that
this is this is
rampant with
throughout christianity just because it doesn't appear to be there
doesn't mean it's not bear the religious right
newt gingrich has three wise but yet he'll tell you you book at marriage you
should have
and you can't you get an abortion think the
well i think they're going is the interesting thing is that
based on panel the way
people in the u_s_ have been conditioned by media reporting
there's something that appears much more uh... stunning and shocking about
hearing that in the middle east in some countries the woman has to walk
twenty feet behind the man where there is no brill thought of how women are
being affected by the fact that politicians control their what medical
procedures they can have any
it that you know that i think this is something that much it's much more
foxworthy's shocking about that
right right
and and religion puts itself is un
you you cannot criticize religion into
it puts itself on a pedestal
you don't look underneath the hood and asking me why would religion want to
control teenage girls in the way it's trying to teach
control teenage girls is a lapse in its only stuff
that's crazy
i_b_m_'s that's all it does not work we've got ten years the research that
shows it doesn't
two hundred fifty million dollars of your tax dollars have daunted absence
only just in the last year
science-based education is being
has barely on the radar screen united states because religions want to control
especially young girls sexuality
you know one of things i'm really trying to talk about in the book is
what happens if you subtract religion from human sexuality
the religious what have you believe would ogle rampant
array of it
you know it's *** scenes in star rating people in
events xm
although over the place in
the evidence
doesn't support that all but that's what religions would have us believe
so why religions trying to control last does it brings us back to their
particular
their particular religion
delighted that most secular
societies on earth
they have lower birth a lower 'em uh... abortions
premarital sex lower
uh... s_t_d_'s even lower divorce what are some examples of those
sweden denmark
norway germany all of those countries are much better off than us
be abortions are far lower in this country wouldn't it be argued bill
specifically with abortion and as you know maybe some of these others
they could also be argued that when you look at the higher per capita incomes
and access to any of that that that would be one side of it but it's also k
could be a class things right
yet secret it's also related education
so what we see dissecting united states that the lowest abortions lois s_t_d_'s
los teen pregnancies are in
in the most secular states in united states morocco home a texas arkansas
those at high teen pregnancies
hygiene s_t_d_'s high abortion rights
you mean if you look why is it cutting-edge states the zip codes that
are most religious also have the most abortions
and so it because counter to what the religious for trying to tell us
no question about it no question about it
and uh... i was we had more time we've been speaking with uh... doctor daryl
read the book is sex and god how religion distorts
sexuality uh... really a good it's not like a textbook it's it's not dry at all
it's really an interesting read so
congratulations on the book and it's always a pleasure to speak with you
thank you david good to be on