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nationally based on principles beyond revenge from the US occupation
but in fact he spoke in a very polite way, on a kind of blame so was simple
but not serious in my opinion
I spoke of anger and resentment within Iraqi society
because according to recent polls, the US forces did not succeed
in brining peace and security to Iraq
It did not succeed in giving priority to basic services such as water, electricity and the complicated economic situation
they did not activate the political life
and in fact I am surprised he never mentioned the reluctance of US force or the US administration in Iraq
in the activation of political life in Iraq
in order to enable the IRaqis themselves to rebuild their political institutions
to establish a modern constitutional state but he focused on services
and it did not focus on the activation of political life
which seems to be the main element of discontent in Iraq
but in reality, I do not think at all and trust me there is no Iraqi national decision taken yet to resist the US forces
the last survey shows only 17% of the Iraqi people want the American occupation forces to come out from Iraq immediately
because according to the opinion of Iraqis, they realize the importance of the American presence
to help Iraq activate the political life and the rebuilding of institutions
His eminence the Sayyid talked about regional states who could could become afraid of the coming Iraqi giant
what do you think he means, as he did not explain and mention names
I disagree and agree on a point. I disagree to simply what is happening in Iraq is only Iranian or Syrian interference, etc.
the situation is more complicated than that, there are affected Iraqi elements, for example
you have Mr. Paul Premer, the man in charge of the US administration in Iraq
he dissolved the Iraqi army, which is about 350,000 people
these are affected powers, the Iraqi institutions, which do not mean one or two people
these are important institutions an powers that are affecting what is happening in Iraq now
but of course, it seems that the American-Iranian conflict is happening on the Iraqi arena
and the more important question is, if the Iranian=American conflict develops into something beyond what is happening now
Iran can play a pivotal dangerous role in developing, activating and strengthening the Iraqi resistance in the long term
if the decision is made at the national level.
Mr. Patrick Clawson
do you think that there are regional states who fear the emerging Iraq
and benefit from the continuation of the Iraqi resistance?
A number of countries in the region would like to see the situation in Iraq stabilize only very slowly
and would not mind things in Iraq going poorly that includes some of America's friends in the region such as Turkey
which would be quite happy if the situation in Iraq was really not that settled for some time
but it also includes people in power in Iran because the hardliners who run the government in Iran
do not want to see the United States to succeed in bringing democracy into Iraq
there was a poll ten days ago in Iran and in that poll 45 percent of the people said that
they wanted to see fundamental change in Iran even if that required having foreign troops bring about that fundamental change
now its quote remarkable when the newspapers in Iran run an article about a poll showing that 45 percent
of Iranians would support a foreign invasion of their country if it was necessary to bring democracy
and that explains why the hardliners in Iran are very nervous about things going well in Iraq
they do not want to see the successful transition to a democratic government in Iraq anytime soon
there is a simple contradiction here
while the American administration says that attacks against US forces
are launched from what is called the Sunni Triangle
and on the other hand, the administration says that Iran plays an important role
where is the connection here? ... of course, there is no doubt that the major players in Iran
do not want the American project to succeed in Iraq
especially the elite hawks of the US administration are trying to ratchet up pressure on the Iranian government
for either removing or forcing it to make radical changes in their policies
but in fact I would like to return to the main point
it is a grave mistake to simplify and say what is happening in Iraq today
is the result of outside interference and there are no powers affected inside Iraq
of some of the actions carried out by the occupation administration in Iraq
Sayyid Ayad Jamal Aldin, do you really believe that the American forces...
[interruption]...Mr. Clawson I will come back to you later, but this question is to Mr. Ayad Jamal Aldin
with regard to the subject of democracy specifically, and brining democracy to this country
to what extent do you really believe that the Americans will succeed in this and do they really want it to happen?
As for this, they really want it to happen
I think the delay in the announcement of an interim government or appointment of an Iraqi governor
perhaps it is indicative of the good intentions of the Americans
to establish a real democracy in Iraq
To establish democracy is not a political decision taken,
democracy is a top building, we have to provide three foundations for a real democracy
it is necessary to have a free economy, a free media and human rights must be available
the Iraqi people must take a chance
the Iraqi people were overshadowed from political awareness for more than three decades
we should not rush things, for the Americans do not set up a government or a ruler
indicating a sign of good intentions
they are in the process of forming genuine democratic governance
in accordance with scientific facts stable in Iraqi society
this is what we want from America
So your eminence you are indeed ok with giving time to the Americans in order to set up governance, you want to give the Americans an opportunity to do so
Mr. Patrick Clawson, his eminence the Sayyid agrees with you
that early elections are not in the interests of the Iraqis now
I entirely agree with Mr. Jamal Aldin, I think he had a really good formulation
about the problems. First you have to have free media, first you have to have human rights
and a free economy and then you are able to have that. We don't want to see
Iraq to have elections like the British organized in the 1920s
that wrote the constitution of 1925 and the British rigged that election, and manipulated that election
and we don't want to see that kind of thing happen. And if I may
make a quick comment, Mr. Jirgis made a very important point
which is that Turkey and Iran so far have been quite unsuccessful
in any effort that they made and I don't know if they've made many
but they've been quite unsuccessful at causing any trouble in Iraq
as Mr. Jirgis pointed out, the resistance in Iraq has taken place in the part of the country
where Turkey and Iran have very little influence. So the problems we see inside Iraq with the resistance
are remnants of the old regime
and the trouble stirred up by other countries
are trying to present themselves as having more support than they actually do
I think the Iraqi opposition groups with whom the United States has worked with in exile
were very eager to see a government formed in Iraq very quickly after the war.
the United States decided to go more slowly to allow parties to emerge
inside Iraq and let the Iraqi opposition groups organize to find out which
groups are more representative of the Iraqi people