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dan o'connor he
words a candidate for the seventh district of
of uh... new york and
uh... had posted uh... up i think we had done this on the show while backward
pointed out uh...
i thought that ran paul was uh... i think i'd and if i said he was an idiot
but i think he was being idiotic
uh... he had a moment on the
uh... one of those a_b_c_ talk shows this week or whatever is needed press
where
uh...
he didn't know that government workers
had uh... shrunk under obon mom and um...
cannot honor responded on twitter was
was
not happy characterized and uh... me in the same way as i did ran paul
and so i invited a montana that a debate about it then welcome to the program
thanks for joining us
but let me upset
denied and that that was a fair characterization right above power at
this point
here thank you
uh... usually yeah i i don't buy our lease twitter
and uh...
i'm not really clear what worksheet that would be probably uh...
come out and call someone immediately for a large crowds but uh...
you know i backs all the way that the uh...
again i don't know i hesitated in a way the upshot is
is a good twitter lesson
later today it is a is a public bay and know that you didn't realize that uh...
and so do you know i didn't uh...
and i think of a lot works but uh... so is it was a good education at least
yet for arm and cabinet segment and elton
you know i i i i felt like
you know stalls phoenix characterize spend somewhat the champs list yet but
he wasn't on the show and olney you know think torture quite a bit uh... under
more quickly
okay cell
now uh...
i thought it was pretty amazing
that he was not aware that uh... the number of government workers uh... under
obama
he had dave simply lost up i think now it's over six hundred thousand
government workers uh... under of our
and uh... he seemed to not to know this
on that program
let's play i'm gonna play uh... a minute and you should be able to hear this
uh... it'll be a a minute and a half uh... of this exchange the voices
working here are are krugman
cokie roberts and then uh... um... rand paul and uh... let's play that now
it but not that america all of us were serious about the numbers
me for example uh... born from canada dozens canadian anyone's has just come
up pretty much the way that the analysis that underwood underlay the program
ourselves when turn out and as i say the you know about my hands
uh... uh... a filibuster proof majority
for a few months in two thousand nine
ever since there before and after he states that works for a position to
address that is the reason that they lost in two thousand and ten which is
the people weren't happy with the with what we wanted and and so you know as
you can sit up and get him out and there's also a truth that the
the uh... theories and one of the reasons that we're seeing this slowdown
is the businesses are not sure what's going to happen because i have this
fiscal clifton is probably are facing so if you have a yahoo exactly and that is
obviously is is your argument that the government sector is struggling are you
are you there are fewer government employees under obama the network under
underscores that's that's a fact
napping develop the government is the norm inside of the president's
government employment a grown this fast under problem has been under bush
we have a million and a half more people employees right now directly southerners
point one point or more people in my life my government now okay so there are
and now i'm looking at a chart
uh...
this is the bank credit and now it's uh... analyst i think this chart i got
from the economist
and uh...
under and
well under our every president coming out of a recession that they do with the
uh... the four years of of uh... under uh... each new presidential
administration
on bombers number
of government uh... the size of government
is the lowest
it is in negative territory
i think this was done this is a bond may get a five hundred eighty thousand i
think is more in that uh... from the other day dancing but
regardless
uh... the highest it was other good said george h w bush uh... one point two
million
increased
so what is wrong with that analysis
yellow dork u_s_ congress democrat here in new york
so well
you know we're not gonna catch me uh... yelled now the big said apartment hall
but up
and i would want to point out that it was a clear distinction that need to be
made in the side argument that's being neglected about the fact
help optical bombing is not com in charge of
state or local balance heaters will receive the federal government
and this is
this is obviously important distinction that uh... provement operating re
disregards
alarmingly
without heat
it demagogue the issue of historic return
stick to make it look in his favor
you know when you look at
federal government employment
it it certainly has grown under our uh... guides grown by doggedly antarctic
definitely that's dishonest
and it's a it's a hundred federal government employment with a planet
has grown about a hundred and thirty two hundred and forty thousand and i think
that excludes
the temporary blip from the census
while why is that distinction
i mean aside we're talking about the government's actors i mean but but why
is that distinction important
because if president obama doesn't you know
isn't runner
the u_s_ government you know all by himself he can't just sort of say
i'm going to add more money to our executive branch and that's a function
of congress as well but so what does the distinction here
yet let me
because of the argument between all equipment improvement is arguing that
state and local governments op part of o'connor's you'd expect a remote up
of the party or better yet again and then they'll forgive but i think there
are there were deep pockets
into controlling buckets are too many russian governor technicals budget you
are aware
that there are hundreds of billions of dollars that go to the state
go to the states and then the administered federal dollars
certainly through the state knows but
but really since
though the eighteen hundreds
that provide employment in the states
you're aware of that
u_a_w_ trickled out it now i mean trickle-down
until our read from a kato an al six the the cato think-tank
certainly not
a liberal analysis uh... maybe it's uh... i don't know uh... you know
uh...
how what you think of cato institute but uh... and i don't agree with the way
that they characterize this as being a bad thing
this from a two thousand seven
i'll just before president obama was present
federal granting began during the late nineteenth century is the eighteen
hundred's expanded during the early twentieth century balloon during the
nineteen sixty's style
they present a bomb was for them or something i know
uh... today more than eight hundred federal grant program showered the
state's with hundreds of billions of dollars each year now
this this detail is to try to make this out to be a bad thing
uh... some but uh... state local governments consumer portion of the aid
in employee wages
and other administrative costs i think they put this it somewhere
they said eight the sixteen million employees
from federal funds
that the federal funds they for sixty million employees this in two thousand
seven sixty million employees in state municipal things that's okay
uh... because the state's in this ballot he's
have constraints they lose revenue when uh... property taxes go down
they have uh... carter's that say that they have to balance their budget it is
the federal government
that actually adds to the uh... employees rolls into the wages
uh... into the uh... the hiring
i mean usually so
so it is now the responsibility federal government not mouse state well
okay so if you honey
if you get your pain etc
the federal government is responsible for managing
state and local budgets
what our paper sparked a before well i must say they're responsible for
managing budgets
but i can tell you that
for a far longer than you and i have been alive
uh... in fact our grandparents
have been alive
uh... in fact their grandparents are being alive
the federal government has provided funds to states
to hire people
to do road work always taking
darker purple all talking about it
because shopping thing going on profiteering it's okay
well know that you know you can argue if you have any legal people particularly
people per percent raise to look at them yet okay
well arrived in listen
i mean if you want to say that hiring teachers with federal dollars is uh...
equivalent to killing people that's your business but
but but the point is not data argued should be commonly regarded university
graduating learn alz
dead all the other side
we can argue
the validity of federal government giving these money
but the fact is was that the federal government has done this as a practice
for uh... a hundred uh... over a hundred years
and then the cantonese and den let me finish
and the point is is that the argument we're having right now
is whether or not
federal funding
impacts
governmental uh... got uh... city and state uh... employees roles and it does
and we can agree with that now if you want to
act if you want to argue that it shouldn't
well let's have that argued
albeit and and that's what i am arguendo greater legal system issue
and someone who ran for congress
so using currently in distribution of heat
whoever congress in new york city out notice that most of those fund of cash
we propose or questions
and and i and other you contractors that that will put them back out most of my
beard allocated capital expert or fifty out of court kickbacks ok so high well
but that's different than the end
are you saying that it's unconstitutional for the federal
government to give age two states and cities
uh... well ideally yet although i mean i don't recall years i'm just here and see
how you become concentration are under interpretation of the prosecution
okay cannot have better howard well all right i mean
uh... i don't know why that's why i wanted to establish the separation of
powers hours antonieta traditional x
but can't congress spends
it is so will be clearly defined
hit the congress
uh... does in the congress have the right
to make a budget and spend money
essentially in any fashion that they deem appropriate mean isn't that in the
constitution what what
what article the constitution
what amendment says
the u_s_ congress is not allowed to provide aid to the states
one phuket poetry no no no i'm just asking you do it so i need to show u_n_
from colorado
you ran for congress to finance a constitutional
underwire section of the constitution
what is missing from the constitution that says that they can give money
uh... in aid to the states
output pretty well you know what you
it at the federal government in charge of local and state budgets and i thought
i'd i'd charge okay just give them money to hire people
aso but i will be coming
does what happened inside
girl
inc forced a local governments
who have unlimited they actually uh... they vote
to uh...
to sending certain amount of
funds to state and local governments
and then you realize it is congressman you would make these votes you would
vote on should we continue to build america bonds program should we all have
a hundred uh... should we allow for a hundred thousand new cops on the street
and provide all of this program
should we have department of homeland security program
should we have on the she would provide education funds side to the states to
hire more teachers
should you provide a highway funds for them to hire more highway workers
your senate
work that's the stuff that you would be doing is a congressman
you can you give us a while but i don't know anybody it we'll do stand-up sake
this vote is against the constitution
we shouldn't even be allowed to vote on this imagination just no one ever made
that argument products
it's a very important discussion because
and our legal system was originally set up it was should set up
depict out picking up our state and local governments work with the decrease
separate
from federal
and legislative and
judicial executive at work
stately separated and our and you mentioned albany big blunder awkward
everything all up together
you completely
antique
either way that it was a record setup hendrix edward mccabe ok so it appears
to be treated for you to be the chaos that's going on
uh... what is problematic from a from a policy outcome
to all of this for you
google weintraub cooper
that given the authority to do whatever they want quickly anything they want to
throw money at that point that
there but you can work on your constituents in the fall of chip act
um... blankets so
and the people at the moment he had aids
okay sobered so
do you see like
two hundred thousand teachers
that have had to be now fired in the wake of the financial crisis
the hundred thousand two thousand e_m_t_s
midi tens of thousands of constant firemen
uh... dot highly workers
all these people that have been to have lost their jobs
in your mind
they were all just cronies
is at it and then tried to get to what is problematic here
you're saying it's ko it restraint
mitterrand
the bureaucrats
inform
ko when you're winnie wong whose shelley will retaliate
what they are cracks at a state or federal bureaucrats because my
understanding is
congress
you would've been a congressman had to wind
would you vote
to authorize
uh... payment
of money for a program
and then it would go to the state that happens all the time the medicaid for
instance in this state
bureaucrats
would divvy out that money
along
the um... narrow confines
which congress
authorise the payment about money in other words
for medicaid you have to give money only to people in this um... uh... you know
payments or provide a medical insurance
on the four people within these parameters
or you must use this money to hire teachers or you must use this to our
highway funds
and then there's paramus within their that the states bucked up against
or uh... they finagler one apple you saying
that the bureaucrats on the state level are just getting their money to the core
their cronies
binary aa daily
someone that's what you're going to put it back whatever of pope accountants
so you have a problem with the state bureaucrats in other words
although i have a problem liberal
but i'd like a lot of us
but echo and multiple law
end-of-the-year senatorial however give anticipated rebel
using the federal government has given us specific guidelines on how to spend
this federal money
it getting to work together
which held out to you no contract urban and ben
clickbank account good people are not anywhere to money and the boardwalk
short it back
elegy build-up
this is what we see because they are murdering
height and on that show that we're getting anywhere with this but i mean
that this is an interesting perspective you have about this money in the night
agree there's waste probably in every program and uh... in any company i've
ever worked at he's been enormous waste uh...
and uh... every restaurant i've worked at tremendous waste
i've found my experiences in those uh... situations
uh... telling the manager that that's the case usually ends up but i didn't
find it but uh... to get all that started it but that's not the point
um...
if you're arguing that there's waste in government i would agree uh... of course
the question is try to figure out what that waste is to make things more
efficient if you're saying the federal government should not be allowed to give
uh... grants then uh... i don't know what to add an elective i don't want to
tell you a missile if i could
uh... in charge of their own pockets
and they are large our own budget
they can either accept or you don't know how many part of it
now i'm telling you
that obon bar
as the president of the united states
makes a proposal congress let's say calls it the um... talk of the stimulus
by the uh... whatever its the uh... we'll call it the stimulus bill and anik
lose money for let's say transportation projects and that money can get sent
down to new jersey
and if you're the governor of new jersey you can say you know what we don't want
these federal funds
to fund let's say a tunnel going from new jersey into new york
and uh... we're gonna lose those four thousand jobs were never gonna hire
those people that's the way it works today
in really have a responsibility in my estimation
if you don't run for congress to understand that dainik
and if you think it's unconstitutional
then you should run on the idea that congress should not be in any way
allocating funds for anything that status cities are doing
and it would be a very interesting campaign
wall you know it's really put out a little walter belt but i will email you
can see a man and that there is you can even site to meet what lies
that congress
can't give money to the states for programs
to big
certainly give you were saying that we will not go along mars yes you're so
it's not going to be notified spoilers it
paperwork contract ended
and the way there was a little step separate sweeps
legislative judicial equity branch
how and any it powers
aircraft to do whatever they want
uh...
well then i appreciate your taking the time of this uh... that was a pretty
entertaining x
started going to get back but
but it was working at will utility prescribes argument but i'm making
uphold may be looking at that
here although it is not responsible
trade local but reached about his responsibilities five dollar-million
partners enough i would be interested of ram paul made the argument that the
stated that the house cannot add that the congress cannot uh... in any way
allocate funds to states and the cities that would be great
i'd love to hear that
um...
i think uh... and as senator i'm sure that he would have a problem
with mafia i'm sure they would never problem that money going back but but be
that is a many um
he was saying government sector
maybe in his mind he was not including um... and wasn't aware
that uh... how many
millions of dollars are billions of dollars go to uh... a municipal and
uh... stated governments to hire people as per
the cato institute
i suspect the source that i thought maybe we could all agree on at least in
terms of their fax
uh... sure there's every other uh...
and leases so much of the facts
uh... every other uh... uh...
think-tank or reporter anybody had never heard anybody who's made the claim
that uh... those federal funds
somehow don't help a ah... states in in cities hire people
you know how to not to tell you dem but uh...
i appreciated maggie a get the fact that you think grandpa was was saying at
another thing and uh...
the reporter stations and they couldn't you know
it because orchestrated distinction to make it a curve relevant topic
in modern america in making a distinction between
state and local federal governments
yes uh... he's only going to be wide open a worker one bigpond
well-suited to district
it's true but you have explained to me why
you've just said rule of law over and over again and constitution and you
cannot point to any law
or the consequences lately
new york desperately becky intact
it out of the statement that says enchiladas
century gothic
okay if but date where you can understand watcher
uh... unlit stairwell promises about the ability to manage those buckets asks
correct but they only have a certain amount of money
and that the the loss of federal funds that has caused these layoffs
don't communicated on television waters
making quite a bit was almost responsibility
to manage state or local buckets i don't know how you get that from the clip that
i said the simply saying
that under obama
the government boy dating local level
which a lot of not responsible
hide and we're gonna have to disagree disagree because this is that i think
it's getting tiresome people
so but i appreciate you taking the time
uh... in giving us uh... your perspective is
thank you
manet
tried to go further ideas uh... a
uh... there's some type of block here in i think to a certain extent then wanted
to get into an ideological arguments about
how the uh... i don't know about federal government and your answer is saying
like we we've done this wrong for the past two hundred and fifty hundred and
seventy years
um...
but he couldn't really tell me why
and you know i'm doing a show here
i can't uh...
i can't you know
what am i gonna go