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>>> Coming up next on "Arizona
Horizon," two new polls show two
different views of Arizona's
Medicaid expansion plans.
We'll get the latest in our
weekly legislative update with
"The Arizona Capitol Times."
>>> A recent graduate of ASU's
Cronkite School is part of a
team that brings home a
prestigious national
broadcasting award.
>>> And we'll hear about an
upcoming international science
and engineering fair set for
next month in downtown Phoenix.
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>>> Good evening, and welcome to
"Arizona Horizon."
I'm Ted Simons.
>>> Two new polls show
conflicting results regarding
plans to expand Arizona's
Medicaid program.
We get the latest from Jim small
in our weekly legislative update
with "The Arizona Capitol
Times."
Good to see you.
Thanks for joining us.
So we got one poll says what,
and one poll says something
else.
>> Yeah.
A poll that was paid for by the
state, Arizona State Chamber of
Commerce, which is for the
expansion, shows broad support
for among voters for expanding
the AHCCCS program, and even
among all the different partisan
groups, Democrats, Independents,
and most importantly,
Republicans.
On the flip side, there's
another poll also done by a
national polling firm, we don't
know who paid for it, but it
seems as though it was opponents
of the expansion who did --
Who funded it.
And it shows narrow support
overall, but among Republicans,
like 2-1 opposition to this, and
3-1 oppositional most to
legislators who vote to put a
tax on hospitals in order to pay
for the expansion.
>> The first poll was done by
public opinion strategists, a
pretty well known outfit, the
second poll by Magellan, these
are reputable companies.
>> They're both Republican
polling firms, they largely do
congressional races, senate
races, presidential races, and
different states, stuff like
that.
Magellan in the past here as
polled the flick car moan --
Flake race, the Romney-Obama
race, public opinion strategies
has worked for --
More congressional candidates
than you can count.
>> How do we explain the
disparity?
>> You know, a couple things.
I think the biggest reason for
the disparity is the way the
questions were posed.
In the public opinion strategies
poll, we haven't seen all of the
questions they asked, but we've
seen some of them.
And there's a lot more
information.
They try to lay some of the
ground work for the actual
facts.
This is a complex issue.
There's a lot of things going on
whereas the Magellan strategies
poll was an automated poll, and
the question was fairly short
and simple, and really didn't
explain some of the financial
underpinnings to this move, and
what state would stand to gain
from expanding its Medicaid
program.
>> With these two polls floating
around, are we getting any new
information regarding talks?
It.
>> looks like you've got the two
sides digging in.
I talked to one person today who
likened it to trench warfare in
World War I, where you wake up
every morning and you haven't
moved.
You're in the exact same place
and you're fighting the same
fight over and over again.
And no one is making any
progress.
So the polls --
I think each speak to --
They reinforce each side's view,
whether they're accurate or not
or whether they're viable
representations of how the
electorate feels, I think both
sides can use the poll they like
best to their own advantage to
bolster their view and defend
either supporting the expansion
or opposing it.
>> all right.
A bill to raise caps on campaign
donations looks like it's passed
the senate, party line vote.
What are we talking about?
>> This is a bill that's gone to
the governor's desk now that it
will essentially dramatically
increase the campaign
contribution limits to statewide
and legislative and local
candidates.
Right now Arizona has some very
low campaign finance limits,
that were set back in the '90s
and in the mid- to early 90s,
and this would increase them
from about 440 dollars for a
legislative candidate, that
anyone can write a check for, to
And it would increase Pac
contributions up to $4,000.
>> This is the reason among the
many reasons here is that some
figure this could be
unconstitutionally too low.
Correct?
>> There's been an argument for
years that because we
artificially set our campaign
finance limits low, and ratchet
them down a lot, that following
some of the Supreme Court
decisions and court rulings in
other states striking down low
campaign finance limits as a
violation of the first
amendment, that Arizona's limits
were potentially
unconstitutional.
The only problem is no one has
ever sued over Arizona's
campaign finance limits, so we
don't have a ruling.
The rulings in other states
don't apply to our situation, so
we've been left with these low
limits.
>> So what are we left with as
far as candidates who run on
clean elections, and those who
run --
It sounds like those who run
private now could raise more
than the clean elections
candidates.
>> Oh, yeah.
There's always been the
potential for them to raise more
than the clean elections
candidates.
This would make it easier.
If you're running for a
legislative office, to go out
and raise $20,000 in $400
increments is one thing, to do
it in $2,000 increments is
something entirely different.
>> And this is a party line vote
here.
Any word on the governor's
likely to sign this do you
think?
>> I think a lot of people are
hopeful she will.
Certainly she's --
I think this is viewed as a
conservative issue and a
pro-Republican issue.
So I think there's the hope she
will.
There's some constitutional
questions that have been raised
about whether doing it the way
they're doing it is actually
legal, because there's some
intertwining between the
campaign finance limits and the
clean elections act, and some
questions that I think haven't
been litigated as to what needs
to be done to help clean
elections, whether anything
needs to be done to help clean
elections to raise the campaign
finance limits.
>> 30 seconds left, Tom Horne
wants more money to patrol at
Colorado city.
An effort earlier in the session
to do something about the
Colorado city police department
did not get out.
Will this get in?
>> It will ultimately be rolled
into the budget talks.
And so those will only
progress --
We'll only see something move
really quickly on budget once
this Medicaid thing gets done,
because that's the linchpin for
everything.
He wants about $400,000 to fund
some patrols, outside patrols to
provide law enforcement other
than the law enforcement that
they allege is controlled by the
fundamental Latter Day Saints
church.
>> We should mention, the
previous legislation in this
session I think passed the house
with flying colors, got to the
senate, and nothing.
>> Yeah.
And that's --
This is an issue they fought
really hard for last year as
well there.
Were two or three different
versions, and same thing this
year.
Just trying to push this thing
across the finish line and
haven't been able to do it yet.
>> Thanks for joining us.
>> Thank you.
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>>> The George Foster Peabody
Award is one of broadcasting's
most prestigious honor and a
very recent graduate of ASU's
Cronkite School of journalism
and mass communication was part
of a team at ABC-15 that won a
Peabody award this year.
Lauren Gilger is a 2011 graduate
of the Cronkite School.
She won a Peabody for a series
of stories that exposed a deadly
acoustic acceleration defect in
Ford SUVs.
Also joining us tonight is
fellow Peabody award winner Joe
Ducey, investigative reporter at
ABC-15.
Good to have you both here.
Thanks for joining us.
Congratulations on quite the
honor here.
I want to talk about that whole
aspect in a second, but talk to
us about the story.
What got all this started and
what kept you going on it?
>> This started as a nightly
news story.
A 17-year-old girl in payson,
Arizona, got her first car from
her dad, a 2002 Ford escape.
And she was driving it back from
Phoenix where they bought it up
to payson, her mom was following
her in a car, and the
acceleration --
The accelerator stuck.
The pedal stuck.
She was speeding out of control,
and she didn't know how to stop
it.
So she called her mom, her mom
called 9-1-1, didn't know what
to do for her.
So there's would a recording of
that and that's how it started.
>> Traffic accidents,
fatalities, these things happen
all the time.
What got you guys going on this
one?
>> I think part of it, there was
a 9-1-1 call that was made
because the mother was following
her up to --
Behind her and saw this
happening.
So it was a heart wrenching
dramatic call about "oh, my
gosh, my daughter, what's going
on!
It's out of control, she's going
to flip!"
And I think that made it a
little more something like,
what's going on with this car?
It could have ended up just a
story that aired for 30 seconds
on a weekend, but some people
saw it, I have to credit our
newsroom, took a look, said hey,
you may want to take a deeper
look, we did, and it's led to
this.
>> You take a deeper look and
decide maybe even a more deep
look here.
The thought process that goes
through on a story like this.
Because you never know, you're
going to wind up winning a
Peabody, having god knows how
many vehicles recalled.
Take us through this and what
you were thinking and what you
were doing.
>> It ended up being over
700,000 vehicles that were
recalled.
But yeah, it began with a
document that was a public
record that anybody could have
found.
But joe and I called an expert
in D.C., with the center for
auto safety, and we called him
and talked to him and said let's
look up this car, and there was
a recall on it.
And we found there was a notice
that had been sent out to
dealers after that warning them
about the recall repair.
But it had never been sent to
owners of the cars.
So that's all we had to begin
with.
Then we just kept going with it.
We followed it through the
inspection of the car, and found
that it seemed to be the exact
defect that they expected to
find is what they found.
>> The one the dealers
forewarned about, people never
Noe knew there could be an
incorrect repair that could
cause this other issue.
>> How much resistance did you
get in following this story?
>> From the station?
>> From everyone.
From the Ford motor company, to
the station, to the whole nine
yards.
>> the station was great about
allowing these things to happen.
They allowed it to be on the
air, and as far as it needed to
go.
Ford never really came back at
us.
They talked to us, and they
said, here's what we're doing,
but they never denied what was
going on in a lot of this.
And they didn't really push us.
I expected more and didn't get
that.
>> What about the family?
What kind of relationship did
you have with the family?
>> Ryan bloom had a great story
to tell, and we're grateful he
told us.
He sat down with us twice, once
at the beginning and again with
joe the day of the recall.
And he was incredibly supportive
and open, and we were lucky to
have it, because without that,
there would have been no heart
to this story, and he was that.
>> Was there a point in the
story when you knew obviously
you were on to something, and
something was leading to
something else.
Was there a point when you
realized we're doing a big thing
here.
This is not just another
investigative report, this is a
big investigative report.
>> Yeah, I think initially kind
of the moment --
The ah-ha moment would be when
we found that second remedy.
Typically there's one remedy the
recall is basically to fix the
car.
There was another one.
There aren't usually two.
Why is there this other one?
And then when we had the car --
When the car was inspected by
the independent inspector and
they found exactly that, we knew
there was something bigger.
>> Same question to you.
When you were in the process of
all this, no one knows they're
going to win a Peabody award,
but you get the feeling you're
doing something special,
something different.
Did you feel that early on or
did that grow?
>> For me it was when the
inspection happened.
We were watching that
inspection, and we saw what we
were looking for.
I remember trying to understand,
I learned a lot about cars
through this, but I remember
seeing the picture, they stuck a
camera under the engine and
looked at it.
When you saw that cord stuck
there and you saw the throttle
wide open, that's when I went,
oh, my god, this is huge.
And yeah, it just got bigger
from there.
We connected it to the --
>> I think it's also surrounding
yourself --
We're not experts, and you have
to surround yourself with the
people who know these things.
It was crucial in this case.
They lead us through the path.
>> Kind of an off question here,
but when did you know this
investigative story was over?
>> That's a good question.
I guess --
I still think it's going.
>> I think it is.
>> There are parts of this that
haven't been exposed.
We interviewed people around the
country who had the same issue
even after Saige bloom's
incident.
And found this was widespread,
that they knew about it for 10
years.
So there were lawsuits that were
settled, details weren't
released, all along.
So this has been an issue for a
long time.
And I still think there's more
to it.
>> Now let's talk about this
Peabody award, this business
here.
How did you find out?
>> I was watching the podcast at
a.m. with my dog, and
called joe and he had left his
phone at work and I couldn't
talk to him all morning.
We were like oh, my gosh, does
he even know?
>> Were you watching the
podcast, that means you must
have had some idea something
could happen.
>> We had entered, but we
were --
I think we were both surprised.
I don't think --
This is not something you think
is going to happen.
>> Your news director at the
time noted your stamina, your
focus, your passion.
You haven't been in the business
all that long.
>> Not very long, no.
>> Are you ready now to continue
your career knowing that you've
been to the mountaintop awfully
young?
>> Yeah, definitely.
I've learned so much being at 15
the last year and a half,
almost.
Joe has been in the business for
30 years and has taught me more
than I can imagine.
And it's just been a great ride.
>> And the award ceremony?
>> It's because of me, by the
way.
>> All right.
I was going to ask you what took
so long.
Award ceremony in New York City,
what, may --
>> in hmm.
>> Congratulations to both of
you.
It's great work, and the honor
is something, to feel you made a
difference and you helped at
least one family, that's got to
make you feel good.
>> That's the key.
That's rare.
>> Good to have you both here.
Thank you.
>> Thank you so much.
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>>> Our continuing coverage of
Arizona technology and
innovation focuses tonight on
the upcoming Intel international
science and engineering fair set
for next month at the Phoenix
convention center.
Here to tell us about this
high-profile event is Renee
Levin, Intel's community
engagement manager, and Sarah
Sakha, a student from Xavier
College Prepatory School.
Sarah will be competing in the
science fair.
Good to have you both here.
Thanks for joining us.
Give us an overview now of this
fair.
What are we talking about?
>> This is the largest
precollege science fair in the
world.
We're expecting 1500 students
from 70 different countries,
regions, and territories that
will descend upon Phoenix may
15th-17th.
They're competing for $3 million
worth of prizes.
>> Oh, my goodness.
Age range, grade range?
>> They are high school
students.
>> So 9-12.
>> Right.
>> And they made it to this
level by winning earlier
competitions?
>> Most of them had a
competition either at a regional
level, a state level, or country
level.
Sarah won at the state level and
she'll be competing in the
competition.
>> I want to get to Sarah in a
second, but let's get back to
the actual event.
Is it a competition --
How do you compete?
Other and judges throw flash
cards?
>> No.
Each project is in an individual
category.
There's 17 different categories.
Animal, science, behavioral
science, microbiology, these are
just some of the categories.
There's a cadre of judges that
will go around and each project
is reviewed by 10 judges.
And then the cohort of judges
make the decision on who's the
top prize in each individual
category.
>> That's very exciting.
All right, Sarah, you won the
state competition.
Correct?
>> Yes.
>> Now you're the international
competition, what is your focus?
What did you present?
>> Scientifically I'm in the
microbiology, but the special
part of this is that science
social issues, so I delve into
the social aspect of science and
the practical application of
sustainable Development.
>> We're looking at some of your
work.
You're talking about emergency
food products for famine relief?
>> Yes.
There's an increasing number of
humanitarian emergencies
worldwide today, and there's an
acute and immediate need for
food relief.
And emergency food products or
EFPs is provided as food
relief, and I was watching a CNN
special about the famine and
drought in Somalia, and there
was a shot of a little child
trying to eat an unpalatable
dried paste substance.
Based on that I delved into
social issues, and science, and
did my project.
>> I was going to say, we all
watch television and see certain
segments, rarely do we wind up
trying to change the world
because of it.
Was it something you were
leaning in that direction to
begin with?
Or did it just really hit you,
that one story?
>> I have a fond interest for
social issues and politics, and
I'm always catching up on the
news, but when I saw the shots
of a little child trying to eat
it, that was particularly
poignant and I decided to --
No better way to do a science
projects.
>> When you first started to
when you won the state award and
now you're competing
internationally, has the scope
or any aspect of the project
changed?
>> Definitely as far as extent
of my further research, and I
talk more and more about the
implication was my project.
But this is a continuation of my
project last year and took to
the competition last year.
So the scope has changed.
>> have you some experience at
this level.
The international competition,
how did Phoenix land this?
>> Society for science in the
public is the organization that
runs the fair.
And they went out and determined
that Phoenix, L.A., and
Pittsburgh are the three cities
that it will rotate within the
next decade.
So we expect --
We will have the fair here in
2013, 2016, and 2019.
>> Wow.
That sounds like a lot of
responsibility.
I would imagine it's not just
throw up a sign, open up the
airport and let everyone come
in.
The logistics must be tremendous
for something like this.
>> You're right.
And there's a local arrangements
committee made up of businesses,
educators, all kinds of
volunteers throughout the
community, and we're really
seeking community support for
this program.
We need a thousand judges, most
of them at a Ph.D. level or
bachelors, masters degree, plus
six years of experience.
We need interpreters from all
different languages.
>> Interesting.
>> we need people to help on the
outreach day, which is the
public day on Thursday, may
16th.
And we will have 4,000 Arizona
students attending the fair, and
they're going to be doing all
kinds of hands-on activities,
and making sure the kids get to
go through the arena to see all
of the projects.
>> What about housing?
Transportation?
Those sorts of things?
>> They have booked pretty much
every hotel room in Phoenix.
We've been working with the
local light rail, and the
airport, they'll even need
greeters at the airport to help
the kids and their chaperones
make sure they get on the right
bus or light rail system to get
to their hotel.
>> We're looking at some of the
folks from the Arizona fair,
engineering fair.
This is the big kahuna here.
The idea of competing, does that
spur you on in any way?
>> It does, of course it's very
intimidating with such
formidable judges, and so many
projects, so many students.
But I think the experience of
just being to learn from people
with --
Like last year's winner, that's
just where science lies today.
>> But again, it seems like if
you were just --
You do care about winning,
right?
You are gung ho --
>> yeah.
[laughter]
>> I want to make sure.
>> Definitely.
>> And where do you plan to go
on this?
Do you plan to --
You mentioned social issues and
science together.
Where do you plan --
What's next for you?
>> At this point it presents a
viable food product, so I may
try to explore the marketability
as the product.
But scientifically, doing more
research on the potential of the
come pounds within the spices.
And refining the product itself.
>> As far as college is
concerned, you've got some
places in mind?
>> I do.
I'm a junior so I have a little
time, but yes.
>> Arizona state is not too far
away.
As far as the competition is
concerned, again, where, when,
and for folks watching this that
they may not be able to be a
judge, and they may not be able
to take part, but they're
fascinated by these kids doing
these great things, how can they
come and watch and be witness to
all this?
>> I hope they will realize
there will be 1500 kids as smart
as Sarah at this competition.
On Thursday, it's the public
day, and it's open, and it's
free.
So bring your families, bring
your students, if you have a
school, bring them down and just
check out these amazing
projects.
The students will be there, I
a.m. to 2:00
p.m., so you can meet with the
students.
But really, if you go on the
website you can see the wide
variety of people that we need.
>> Give us that website address.
>> WWW.societyforscience.org.
>> I think we got it right up
there.
That's Intel --
>> Intel iCEF 2013.
>> That's exactly what it is.
And the dates again?
>> May 13-17.
>> Very good.
Good to have you both here and
good luck in the competition.
>> Thank you.
>>> Thursday on "Arizona
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capitol as leaders make their
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next "Arizona Horizon."
>>> That is it for now.
I'm Ted Simons.
Thank you so much for joining
us.
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