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now with into various supposedly best director don hearted here or is a cargo
argyle r dot
estimates are among believe
uh... anyway of the movie is a document recall dot or of steel
and it's fascinate us out
all of the state
but art of stealing
no no
expire sharpens iron but that's not what we're talking about here
forty now uvm
first
says people don't know it of course social democracy
understood the film the or the steals about the struggle for control of the
barnes foundation approximation
prior art gallery right outside of philadelphia about five miles outside
the hosts
probably that
has the
the most significant man
you know collection of impressionism pose some questions are in the world
user
morse is out of the world
morse is on the entire city paris
with him and he wanted a renoirs matisse is
bongo professor union colleges thing work
forty five billion dollars
okay so that they would be interested watches that are about twenty five
billion upside
so tell me how the collection came about
the collection was courted by member our parts
it he was surrounded derek
ginsburg albert barnes are created the barnes foundation in uh... early
twenties
and from
uh... he he he made his money
as a pharmaceutical dot he
uh... pettit drug called art role at the time it was
silver nitrate was put into practice
drops for putting us by
infants when you're born so it's like he made
millions of dollars in the twenties and he started to the courts are
and he's collecting his contemporaries which were matisse and cezanne remark
at a time when as most people know
mostar's di broke and these orders were not known who not what they were then
but they are now so he amassed this amazing collection
and years later the question became more so much money
and he set this up as an institutional institution
that was are never supposed to be a
and art museum
but over the years u
kind of being chipped away
pat
a traditional museum
and
the city of philadelphia
book are established ms and trying to get their hands on this collection ever
since about nineteen fifteen
alright floods are the plans are alike is that when he first started collecting
if they looked at your party and not stats thought they were dating from the
school school resisted by to see what up
so that he says that as well
okay i gotta keep it in this
was foundation at this house is that
now what do you mean
philadelphia at is trying to get its hands on it
we mean it somewhere that's the line is a strong language or chairman as a kid
really comes out of control
it comes down to the people they're running the his foundation right now are
supposed to be a people that are upholding
the trust
and or the will that barnes left behind but what they're doing is exact opposite
that and so the trustees that are i've been entrusted with carrying out barnes
is original vision
att
in more
get more interested
and tourism
and
baking making money as opposed to
keeping this question and taxing and more importantly keeping it where is
more belongs
grandson what how do they make plenty of
well you can go and see it
okay but i want to see it so that makes us because it
okay so things like how do they try to make more money it's not about making
money that's the thing is a cultural institutions that than that has become
the problem
whereas is the whole purpose of the statue of ready to make money
shari i was told mark
uh... fix for the pacific
of but what what i'm not getting its
how are they trying to make more money off of it by taking it out of those
out of where it is a where is right now as a sleepy suburb outside of
philadelphia and that the argument is not enough people can go and see it in
its current location because it's restricted its neighborhoods
you know it's not
downtown philadelphia where you get drove
of people in there
and that's to be that that that's would speak on the about it's become about
trying to get
make the most money off of this
collection as humanly possible as opposed to maintaining
a real important cultural institution that has its own history it's gone
but personality it's it is a tones that is it something what's their motivation
of the guys running the foundation they make more money if more people seated
and then pay the fees are coming on the north wire they motivated they're
motivated in the sense that they had a field
they're trying to
uh...
turn this
institution into something it was never necessarily intended to be so they see
they they don't walk in and see this amazing you know significant
uh... cultural institution
they see it as
there's twenty five billion dollars worth of painting and we're not
maximizing
what we could be you know maximizing terms of money but the others there's
some back to them notice hopefully four years now i'm not an art trademe
but only when realize that exist right and if you put it in a listening
that more people one would see it that and that there's value in that are and
more people would know about its debt
yet at the if u if you base your argument on just the the sole idea that
the whole reason for our two exists is firm for you to go
at the or women be able to see it whenever you want
but that's not what the barnes foundation is it's it's it's bigger than
its
it's a significant cultural institution
that is it something it's as if it becomes
to me at the comes about preserving something that's important if we start
to say
and small it's nice and all
let's look at all that that that
property
that's just sitting there with you know it we can put adapt their
you know i mean it's it's like this slippery slope of like
where do we stop
where you when no one's protecting these the interest of the said important
cultural institutions
who know the gap was above the repair usefulness override all disguise their
work
or biodata directed don are got indiana did the owner of the steel and that's
what we're discussing here so
done in looking at here is how i view the balance right
let's say it's honorable island that now because of changing circumstances and
hear that circumstance have changed over time right
that is slowly receding into the water
well we have a dart out
project but that's not it out but that's not what whatsoever no i don't suppose
an extreme are the ones that okay
extreme on the other side as well you know
yet slippery fine place but i make more money if it's over there
and summer movie will be there for whatever reason right
system
how if if i'm not involved in this fight why it was a late night where it is
within that spectrum
because they say they know this and i would get more people to save and
appreciate the heart usse it's not
the errors or the other foundation how do i decide
well an aeroplane comes down again to the people that are running the
foundation and
and the people entering the foundation should be trying to
get as many people to see it where it is right now and is is this idea that
you know that the gardeners and another time
in somewhere example in boston
you know you have
you know you have the the pygmies in experience that you can you know go in
and they do blockbuster shows that many of these boutique
you meet galleries
uh... it around the country which there are very few left of
and it just seems to me why why do we keep track wanting to do
karen
the the small thing into the big you know i mean i just feel add haiti repeat
this now but i a you know i keep going back to what is the motivation of the
of the guys running the foundation do they make more money if they don't
bother exon of mines about powers control it's about level being able to
leverage twenty five billion dollars worth of artwork
this were a boil down to it's it always comes down
to money it's not
they did that they can keep saying that it's about
you know
preserving the integrity the foundation and will be able to you know sustain it
in enom
you know philadelphia for longer than we will hear but the problem is
the foundation as it currently is right now only operates at about a million and
a half dollars a year of a deficit that they have to make up
that's no money for and you know small institution
they're talking about spending upwards of a hundred twenty five million dollars
of taxpayer money sorry
taxpayer money
my money because i wouldn't vote out there
and potentially another one of two hundred million dollar service
what's the real cost of this move and where the real benefits if it's just a
if it if it's not just about
you see it has seen that that analytic there on the deficit
they had to make sure that they're not so that they could maintain their drops
in
because that's a motivation right you see what i'm saying
where as you say do your job better the will says keep it there and
and you know i'm surprised city philippines go in that direction cuz you
would think lightening creatures in that area
all right now dundas others that i can't let you go without talking about this
debate the you also know proto metal band i'm not even sure what that is a
democrat it's called
separate wrong which sounds very bad at circuit po what do you do in the best
that's all it around and we pray like seventies rock parkway guitar
diagram and friend who had it
there are the ceo is also that he plays guitar says a lot of
guitar harmonies very black sabbath in was its inner so that we risk our course
stuffed with that
artistic
and then but there's something about port here you've got
you would his is a company who are
this call port of sonic the unit was set up a years ago uh... when i was so
frustrated position
had this idea
that there is always a m these cds there were a
and they were around c_d_'s and an old martini lounge or concept has a
i was so i would be funny if there was a point one
and i look from a record really fun and i said why don't
while nikla you know there's a demanding the money replaced yeah
lineup
so i went ahead in that
bro
a collection of fake seventies for music and i got ron jeremy to divorce over
that's fantastic between the songs and uh... as end just as luck would have it
it start to kinda get out there
and it's been licensed and
films like old school is something that mary son ph ones ones are also turned me
off to throw the *** music event like what is one of the real coming nor is it
added up and also i think i wasn't
then he has been delayed a little money yet
important music and attached
all right i started to steal a party dot r dot is the director of the art of the
skills that very thing that you make your check it out dumb things that was
ridiculous really protect them alright youngsters