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This brings us back
to why we started that subject in the first place
Since the Pope is "infallible",
-we still don't know where this came from,
since it's not present in the bible-
Therefore, the Pope's deputy
-or the second man in church-
when he sins,
he does something called "The Confession";
He goes to the Pope,
sits before him,
and confesses to him all the sins he had committed
then, the Pope
is supposed to have the authority and privilage to
-I don't know where this too came from,
since it's too not present in the bible-
grant him forgiveness for these sins.
Guys, that principle itself is not Christian;
that the man is "infallible".
And even if he was infallible,
what does this have to do
with granting God's forgiveness to someone?
Then that guy leaves the Pope,
listens to confessions of the people below him,
and grants them Divine forgiveness
Then these people go to the people below them and so one...
till the Priest you meet in church,
and confess to him
he, too grants you Divine forgiveness
If he himself gets his Divine forgiveness
from the MAN above him
and so on till we reach the church Pope
Where does the church Pope himself get his forgiveness?
If you tried to tell me the church Pope does not sin,
I'd tell you, just stay with him for 24 hours only and see if he sins or not
because no man is infallible
NO MAN IS INFALLIBLE
So what are the results of this?
First, now it's no longer between God and I directly;
now I have someone in between who would forgive me or not
Of course we know that the church can dismiss someone
-not one of its Priests or workers,
but a Christian who has nothing to do with the church-
what does "ex-communicating a Christian
who has nothing to do with the church" mean?
It means to prevent praying for him after his death
and according to the church's belief,
a Christian who is not prayed for after his death,
does not go to heaven!
So in short, today if you upset one of the Priests,
and that Priest escalated the issue
and you got ex-communicated,
then you'd still go to hell no matter what you do,
because you won't be prayed for.
and therefore, if you were not prayed for, you'd go to hell!
It's a big loop with no base or foundation.
Where is the foundation of this story?
Don't tell me: "Someone said so and so",
or "Someone who's been going on with the Holy Spirit said..."
Guys, where is the origin of that in the bible?
Does this have biblical origin?
or anyone today can go work as a Priest?
Don't be upset with me, I don't mean anything bad
but just imagine this situation, because it happens
like it happens in Azhar and anywhere else
This man is an employee.
He works at the church for the post and salary,
gets promoted and eventually reaches the position of a Pope.
So in the end, he's just an employee.
That employee is the one with whom I sit in a room,
expose myself before him and tell him all the sins I commit
so he would absolve me.
And for his sins to be forgiven,
he exposes himself to the man above him
-who's another employee-
to forgive his sins
and don't tell me "The Holy Spirit",
because where IS the Holy Spirit in that matter?
At which stage does it come?
When he's a Pope, or when he's a believer and a good man,
And to whom does it come?
Is the Vatican Pope the one who has the Holy Spirit?
or is it Pope Shonouda of the Copts?
Because they say contradicting things,
And to each of them, the other is not a Christian
So, which Holy Spirit in this matter?
which Holy Spirit in the 1500 sects of Christianity?
It's no longer between me and God,
It's now between myself and someone,
and that someone to another one,
then that other one to someone else,
and I should climb a 100 steps ladder to finally reach
to Pope who's in the end a human being just like me
then from the Pope to the Holy Spirit
-according to him-
and from the holy Spirit to the "father" in heaven, through Jesus.
although the bible doesn't say any of that!
Jesus says: "Come, I'll teach you how to pray"
"Pray like this"
And he told them pray and do this and that...
"O, OUR Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name..."
This is what the bible says
Where is the "Secret of Confession" in the bible?
Didn't Jesus know about that "Secret of Confession"
when he was on earth?
According to your words and the Priest's,
before Jesus was crucified
died, went to his grave
and remained dead for 3 days
during which he went to hell,
left hell and was resurrected again on earth after 3 days
-this story of the 3 days alone is a whole different topic
that we'll be talking about later on -God willing-
and after he was resurrected, he appreared to his disciples
and appeared to people
althought there is no mentioning of his appearance to people,
except by one or two people in certain books
and not in the rest of the books.
And after all that he was elevated to heaven
During all that, didn't Jesus know
there was something called "The Secret of Confession"
that must be done?
And you're telling me that Jesus is one of God's "persons",
or "Jesus is the son of God",
or "Jesus is God",
-God forbid- to me all that is nonsense.
But to you, do you believe that someone with
all these traits you're telling me,
doesn't know the "Secret of Confession"?
Of course he does
So, since he knows the "Secret of Confession"
why didn't he tell us about it?
Of course if he said it, it would've been present in books.
The bible consists of 4 books -which you call "Gospels"-
these are the "New Testament", in addition to some messages.
This is not present in the 4 gospels of the bible,
in which Jesus never stated anything before or after them.
Meaning , before the 4 gospels is the "Old Testament"
and after the 4 gospels are Paul's messages
and exchanged writings between people
with no Jesus quotations in them.
They used say: "We'll do as Jesus said"
"Like Jesus said we should behave in that particular way",
"I hereby tell you behave in that particular manner"
Where is "The Secret of Confession" in all that?
It's not there
I think you should refer to your Priest and ask him about that matter
And we will resume next time -God willing
Good bye