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this happened this a sport a tremendous debate as to whether
testing imperatives the requirement that teachers
the judge based on the results of tests taken by their student's
is leading to misaligned incentives whether is pushing some of these
teachers to to tube
reach for the shortcuts today and sheet of course it was also
uh... scandal in the washing d_c_ public school system
recently
where uh... students were apparently being asked to the race the wrong
answers and put back in new orleans owes a couple years ago under schools
chancellor michelle rhee
but this is especially large scandal of course it's it occurs in the context of
a huge debate about education reform in this country
and
it it has uh... really raise some eyebrows
we wanted to date this issue we want to bring the viewers and listeners to take
action news a better idea
of the different perspectives on this issue education reform
should teachers beaches you more to the test
should we be evaluated his performance based on the students' test scores
how should we be evaluated his performance
and what is the key
to bring our nation schools back on track
joining me now to debate this very issue
is leone
hien sinh the executive director of class size matters
in new york city
and more kiss winters a senior fellow at the manhattan institute
lady marcus thank you so much for joining
crowd
linearly online then
and i'd buy a decide may have a
overheard it from uh... minute at the new year
uh... so
let me pose the question
and and and and and i i i don't lay out all have you answer this
uh... for
and that is
does the atlanta public schools cheating scandal in which all these teachers and
school superintendents
are now being indicted
for orchestrating
for for really choosing the stats to in orbit for orchestrating cheating on
standardized tests over the judas that's about the school of the city's
uh... school performances in improvements on test scores
is that the result of a misguided approach education reform that
emphasizes test scores too much evaluating teachers
uh... minority yet what happened in burn down
about we now have and then it was we
hearing seven washington d the
italy
uh... and i think one of the main reason warranted explosion actually handles
it's and then
but on all on in teachers
who really had or every year
uh... dark brown campbell loan which was
uh... theological observation made by a man named donald campbell
that the more hiked if you put on any particular measurement the more people
will gain and figure out how to keep the fifth and and i think that because what
happening in america across but country right now and i know of cancellation in
new york city in washington d_c_ in
and i hope the wanted say that there is a absolutely no evidence
that measuring teacher quality or dividing with little people all pending
requirements are holding back its on the date that categoric
actually improved education and we have a woman at avedon he showed that it can
lead to the quality of education