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. >>> THE U.S. SUPREME COURT
>>> THE U.S. SUPREME COURT STRUCK DOWN PART OF ARIZONA,
STRUCK DOWN PART OF ARIZONA, ELECTION LAWS THIS WEEK, WHAT
ELECTION LAWS THIS WEEK, WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE STATE.
DOES IT MEAN FOR THE STATE. >> IT KIND OF GAVE US THE
>> IT KIND OF GAVE US THE PATHWAY ON HOW WE WOULD BE ABLE
PATHWAY ON HOW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
TO DO THAT. AND THAT IS RECOMMENDED ON THE
AND THAT IS RECOMMENDED ON THE ORDER THAT WE GO TO THE FEDERAL
ORDER THAT WE GO TO THE FEDERAL ELECTIONS COMMISSION AND ASK
ELECTIONS COMMISSION AND ASK THEM TO AUTHORIZE ARIZONA'S
THEM TO AUTHORIZE ARIZONA'S INSTRUCTIONS TO BE PUT IN TO THE
INSTRUCTIONS TO BE PUT IN TO THE STATE BY STATE INSTRUCTIONS THAT
STATE BY STATE INSTRUCTIONS THAT ALREADY EXIST.
ALREADY EXIST. >>> AND WILDFIRE SEASON IS UNDER
>>> AND WILDFIRE SEASON IS UNDER WAY IN ARIZONA, WE'LL LOOK AHEAD
WAY IN ARIZONA, WE'LL LOOK AHEAD AT THIS SEASON AND BACK AT A
AT THIS SEASON AND BACK AT A MAJOR FIRE.
MAJOR FIRE. IT IS "ARIZONA WEEK".
IT IS "ARIZONA WEEK". >>> PRODUCTION OF ARIZONA WEEK
>>> PRODUCTION OF ARIZONA WEEK IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PARTS BY THE
IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PARTS BY THE GRANTS OF THE STONE WALL
GRANTS OF THE STONE WALL FOUNDATION AND BY ARIZONA PUBLIC
FOUNDATION AND BY ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA.
MEDIA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT.
>>> ON MONDAY, THE U.S. SUPREME COURT ISSUED A RULING STRIKING
COURT ISSUED A RULING STRIKING DOWN ARIZONA'S REQUIREMENT THAT
DOWN ARIZONA'S REQUIREMENT THAT PEOPLE WHO REGISTER TO VOTE
PEOPLE WHO REGISTER TO VOTE USING A FEDERAL FORM MUST PROVE
USING A FEDERAL FORM MUST PROVE THEY ARE CITIZENS.
THEY ARE CITIZENS. JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT THAT
JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT THAT RULING IS ARIZONA SECRETARY OF
RULING IS ARIZONA SECRETARY OF STATE KEN BENNETT, SECRETARY IS,
STATE KEN BENNETT, SECRETARY IS, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, THANK
>>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, THANK YOU.
YOU. >>> THIS RULING MAY BE CONFUSING
>>> THIS RULING MAY BE CONFUSING TO SOME BECAUSE IT INVOLVES THE
TO SOME BECAUSE IT INVOLVES THE FEDERAL FORM VERSUS THE STATE
FEDERAL FORM VERSUS THE STATE FORM, AND NOW WE HAVE TWO RULES,
FORM, AND NOW WE HAVE TWO RULES, CORRECT?
CORRECT? >> WELL, WE HAVE BEEN UNDER THAT
>> WELL, WE HAVE BEEN UNDER THAT FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS SINCE THE
FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS SINCE THE UNITED STATES RULE THAT THE
UNITED STATES RULE THAT THE STATE CAN'T ASK FOR ADDITIONAL
STATE CAN'T ASK FOR ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION.
DOCUMENTATION. THEY ALSO ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL
THEY ALSO ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO PROVIDE TO THE
INFORMATION TO PROVIDE TO THE VOTER, IF THEY VOLUNTARILY
VOTER, IF THEY VOLUNTARILY PROVIDE THEIR LICENSE NUMBER OR
PROVIDE THEIR LICENSE NUMBER OR THE LAST FOUR DIGITS OF A
THE LAST FOUR DIGITS OF A SOCIAL, AND MOST OF THEM DO, BY
SOCIAL, AND MOST OF THEM DO, BY THE WAY, THEN WE ARE ALLOWED AND
THE WAY, THEN WE ARE ALLOWED AND HAVE BEEN USING THAT INFORMATION
HAVE BEEN USING THAT INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE A CITIZEN,
TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE A CITIZEN, AND IF WE CAN CONFIRM THAT WITH
AND IF WE CAN CONFIRM THAT WITH THE INFORMATION THEY HAVE
THE INFORMATION THEY HAVE PROVIDED ON THE FORM THEN THEY
PROVIDED ON THE FORM THEN THEY GET REGISTERED IMMEDIATELY.
GET REGISTERED IMMEDIATELY. THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER WE CAN
THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER WE CAN ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO BE SUBMITTED BEYOND THE FORM
TO BE SUBMITTED BEYOND THE FORM OR ATTACHED TO THE FORM.
OR ATTACHED TO THE FORM. OR ASK FOR LATER.
OR ASK FOR LATER. AND WHILE THE COURT SAID THAT
AND WHILE THE COURT SAID THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO ORDER US
THEY WERE NOT GOING TO ORDER US TO BE -- OR ALLOW US TO DO THAT
TO BE -- OR ALLOW US TO DO THAT BY THEIR ORDER, THEY KIND OF
BY THEIR ORDER, THEY KIND OF GAVE US THE PATHWAY AS TO HOW WE
GAVE US THE PATHWAY AS TO HOW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND THAT IS THEY REALLY KIND OF
AND THAT IS THEY REALLY KIND OF RECOMMENDED IN THE ORDER THAT WE
RECOMMENDED IN THE ORDER THAT WE GO TO THE FEDERAL ELECTIONS
GO TO THE FEDERAL ELECTIONS ASSISTANCE COMMISSION, AND ASK
ASSISTANCE COMMISSION, AND ASK THEM TO AUTHORIZE ARIZONA'S
THEM TO AUTHORIZE ARIZONA'S INSTRUCTIONS TO BE PUT IN TO THE
INSTRUCTIONS TO BE PUT IN TO THE STATE BY STATE INSTRUCTIONS THAT
STATE BY STATE INSTRUCTIONS THAT ALREADY EXIST.
ALREADY EXIST. AND SO -- AND THEY EVEN KIND OF
AND SO -- AND THEY EVEN KIND OF STRONGLY INTIMATED IN THAT
STRONGLY INTIMATED IN THAT RULING THAT THAT IS WHERE THIS
RULING THAT THAT IS WHERE THIS PERMISSION SHOULD BE GRANTED.
PERMISSION SHOULD BE GRANTED. AND THEY KIND OF SAID THAT IT
AND THEY KIND OF SAID THAT IT PROBABLY WOULD BE GRANTED.
PROBABLY WOULD BE GRANTED. AND IF WE DIDN'T, THEN WE COULD
AND IF WE DIDN'T, THEN WE COULD COME BACK AND APPEAL TO THE
COME BACK AND APPEAL TO THE COURT.
COURT. >> NOW, WE HAVE ASK THAT GROUP
>> NOW, WE HAVE ASK THAT GROUP FOR PERMISSION BEFORE, IN 2004,
FOR PERMISSION BEFORE, IN 2004, NOT LONG BEFORE 2004 WHEN VOTERS
NOT LONG BEFORE 2004 WHEN VOTERS PASSED THIS.
PASSED THIS. SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK AGAIN?
SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK AGAIN? >> YES, BUT WHEN WE ASKED BACK
>> YES, BUT WHEN WE ASKED BACK THEN, THERE WERE FOUR
THEN, THERE WERE FOUR COMMISSIONERS ON THE COMMISSION,
COMMISSIONERS ON THE COMMISSION, TWO REPUBLICANS, TWO DEMOCRATS.
TWO REPUBLICANS, TWO DEMOCRATS. THEY KIND OF DEADLOCKED ON A 2-2
THEY KIND OF DEADLOCKED ON A 2-2 VOTE AND DID NOT ALLOW US TO ADD
VOTE AND DID NOT ALLOW US TO ADD THOSE REQUIREMENTS AS THE VOTERS
THOSE REQUIREMENTS AS THE VOTERS HAD REQUIRED.
HAD REQUIRED. SINCE THAT TIME, JUST LAST YEAR,
SINCE THAT TIME, JUST LAST YEAR, THIS SAME ELECTION ASSISTANCE
THIS SAME ELECTION ASSISTANCE COMMISSION ALLOWED THE STATE OF
COMMISSION ALLOWED THE STATE OF LOUISIANA TO IMPLEMENT A NEW
LOUISIANA TO IMPLEMENT A NEW STATE LAW THAT THEY HAD THAT
STATE LAW THAT THEY HAD THAT REQUIRES IN CERTAIN
REQUIRES IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES ADDITIONAL
CIRCUMSTANCES ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO BE SUBMITTED BY
INFORMATION TO BE SUBMITTED BY THE VOTER WITH THE FORM.
THE VOTER WITH THE FORM. SO THE COURT WAS AWARE OF THAT
SO THE COURT WAS AWARE OF THAT AND THEY KIND OF HINTED OR SAID
AND THEY KIND OF HINTED OR SAID IN THE RULING THAT IF THE EAC AS
IN THE RULING THAT IF THE EAC AS IT IS CALLED, THE ELECTIONS
IT IS CALLED, THE ELECTIONS ASSISTANCE COMMISSION ALLOWED
ASSISTANCE COMMISSION ALLOWED THAT FOR LOUISIANA THEY PROBABLY
THAT FOR LOUISIANA THEY PROBABLY WOULD OR SHOULD ALLOW THAT FOR
WOULD OR SHOULD ALLOW THAT FOR ARIZONA.
ARIZONA. >> I UNDERSTAND POSSIBLY
>> I UNDERSTAND POSSIBLY COMPLICATING THIS A LITTLE BIT
COMPLICATING THIS A LITTLE BIT IS THE FACT THAT THE EAC RIGHT
IS THE FACT THAT THE EAC RIGHT NOW HAS NO MEMBERS.
NOW HAS NO MEMBERS. HOW DO WE GET -- IN FRONT OF
HOW DO WE GET -- IN FRONT OF THEM?
THEM? >> YEAH, WELL, EVEN THOUGH THEY
>> YEAH, WELL, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MEMBERS RIGHT
DON'T HAVE ANY MEMBERS RIGHT NOW, THAT SITUATION OR CONDITION
NOW, THAT SITUATION OR CONDITION HAS EXISTED FOR ALMOST TWO AND A
HAS EXISTED FOR ALMOST TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
HALF YEARS. PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS NOT
PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS NOT APPOINTED ANY OF THE
APPOINTED ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONERS. AND WHEN LOUISIANA GOT THEIR
AND WHEN LOUISIANA GOT THEIR PERMISSION TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL
PERMISSION TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION LAST YEAR, IT WAS
INFORMATION LAST YEAR, IT WAS DONE SO THROUGH THE ACTING
DONE SO THROUGH THE ACTING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE EAC,
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE EAC, WHO IS STILL THERE.
WHO IS STILL THERE. AND SO THE LETTER THAT I SENT
AND SO THE LETTER THAT I SENT THE OTHER DAY WENT TO THE ACTING
THE OTHER DAY WENT TO THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE COMMISSIONER,
DIRECTOR OF THE COMMISSIONER, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE NO
EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE NO STANDING COMMISSIONERS AT THIS
STANDING COMMISSIONERS AT THIS MOMENT.
MOMENT. >> OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T HAVE AN
>> OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T HAVE AN ELECTION RIGHT NOW.
ELECTION RIGHT NOW. BUT PEOPLE CAN STILL REGISTER TO
BUT PEOPLE CAN STILL REGISTER TO VOTE.
VOTE. WHILE THIS WORKS THROUGH THE
WHILE THIS WORKS THROUGH THE EAC, WHAT KIND OF TIME TABLE ARE
EAC, WHAT KIND OF TIME TABLE ARE WE LOOKING AT AND WHAT DOES IT
WE LOOKING AT AND WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE ELECTION PROCESS IF
DO TO THE ELECTION PROCESS IF ANYTHING, RIGHT NOW?
ANYTHING, RIGHT NOW? >>.
>>. >> WELL, IT DOESN'T REALLY DO
>> WELL, IT DOESN'T REALLY DO MUCH AT ALL, AS I MENTIONED,
MUCH AT ALL, AS I MENTIONED, WHEN THE 19th CIRCUIT CAME OUT
WHEN THE 19th CIRCUIT CAME OUT WITH THEIR DECISION, QUESTIONING
WITH THEIR DECISION, QUESTIONING WHETHER ARIZONA COULD DO THIS.
WHETHER ARIZONA COULD DO THIS. WE NEGOTIATED WITH THE COURT AT
WE NEGOTIATED WITH THE COURT AT THAT TIME A YEAR AGO TO THE
THAT TIME A YEAR AGO TO THE PROCEDURE I JUST DESCRIBED TO
PROCEDURE I JUST DESCRIBED TO YOU A MOMENT AGO.
YOU A MOMENT AGO. IF THE VOTER PUTS THE DRIVER'S
IF THE VOTER PUTS THE DRIVER'S LICENSE NUMBER OR THE LAST
LICENSE NUMBER OR THE LAST SOCIAL ON THEIR FEDERAL FORM
SOCIAL ON THEIR FEDERAL FORM VOLUNTARILY, BECAUSE MOST OF
VOLUNTARILY, BECAUSE MOST OF THEM DO, THE FEDERAL FORM ASKS
THEM DO, THE FEDERAL FORM ASKS FOR THOSE NUMBERS ANYWAY, WE CAN
FOR THOSE NUMBERS ANYWAY, WE CAN STILL USE THAT TO DETERMINE THE
STILL USE THAT TO DETERMINE THE ELIGIBILITY TO VOTE.
ELIGIBILITY TO VOTE. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE
SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 11
HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 11 MONTHS UNDER AGREEMENT WITH THE
MONTHS UNDER AGREEMENT WITH THE NINTH CIRCUIT.
NINTH CIRCUIT. WHILE WE AWAIT THE ELECTION
WHILE WE AWAIT THE ELECTION ASSISTAN
ASSISTAN ASSISTANCE COMMISSION'S DECISION
ASSISTANCE COMMISSION'S DECISION TO ALLOW TO NEW INSTRUCTIONS TO
TO ALLOW TO NEW INSTRUCTIONS TO BE PUT IN LIKE THEY DID FOR
BE PUT IN LIKE THEY DID FOR LOUISIANA.
LOUISIANA. >> THIS CASE OBVIOUSLY DEALT
>> THIS CASE OBVIOUSLY DEALT DIRECTLY WITH ARIZONA.
DIRECTLY WITH ARIZONA. SOMETIME IN THE COMING DAYS
SOMETIME IN THE COMING DAYS WE'LL GET ANOTHER VOTING RULING
WE'LL GET ANOTHER VOTING RULING OUT OF THE SUPREME COURT DEALING
OUT OF THE SUPREME COURT DEALING WITH THE VOTER RIGHTS ACT THAT
WITH THE VOTER RIGHTS ACT THAT ALSO WILL DEAL WITH ARIZONA.
ALSO WILL DEAL WITH ARIZONA. EXPLAIN TO OUR VIEWERS IF YOU
EXPLAIN TO OUR VIEWERS IF YOU CAN, DEPENDING ON THE RULING,
CAN, DEPENDING ON THE RULING, WHAT THAT WILL MEAN FOR ARIZONA.
WHAT THAT WILL MEAN FOR ARIZONA. >> WELL, THAT RULING, DEPENDING
>> WELL, THAT RULING, DEPENDING ON THE WAY THEY GO, IF THEY
ON THE WAY THEY GO, IF THEY STRIKE DOWN THE PRE-CLEARANCE
STRIKE DOWN THE PRE-CLEARANCE REQUIREMENT THAT HAS BEEN
REQUIREMENT THAT HAS BEEN IMPOSED ON SOME STATES INCLUDING
IMPOSED ON SOME STATES INCLUDING ARIZONA FOR THE PAST SEVERAL
ARIZONA FOR THE PAST SEVERAL DECADES, THEN ARIZONA AND THOSE
DECADES, THEN ARIZONA AND THOSE OTHER STATES WOULD NO LONGER,
OTHER STATES WOULD NO LONGER, AND THE JURISDICTIONS THAT
AND THE JURISDICTIONS THAT CONDUCT ELECTIONS WITHIN OUR
CONDUCT ELECTIONS WITHIN OUR STATE WOULD NO LONGER HAVE TO
STATE WOULD NO LONGER HAVE TO SEND EVERY LITTLE POSSIBLE
SEND EVERY LITTLE POSSIBLE CHANGE THAT THEY MAKE IN THEIR
CHANGE THAT THEY MAKE IN THEIR VOTING PROCEDURES OR CHANGING
VOTING PROCEDURES OR CHANGING BOUNDARIES OF PRECINCTS OR
BOUNDARIES OF PRECINCTS OR POLLING LOCATIONS.
POLLING LOCATIONS. ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE TO --
ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE TO -- DOWN TO THE MINUTEST DETAIL HAVE
DOWN TO THE MINUTEST DETAIL HAVE TO BE PRE-CLEARED BY THE
TO BE PRE-CLEARED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FOR THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FOR THE STATES THAT ARE UNDER THAT PART
STATES THAT ARE UNDER THAT PART OF THE LAW.
OF THE LAW. IF THE COURT AGREES THAT THOSE
IF THE COURT AGREES THAT THOSE SITUATIONS THAT CAUSE THE NEED
SITUATIONS THAT CAUSE THE NEED FOR THAT LAW, WAY BACK IN THE
FOR THAT LAW, WAY BACK IN THE '50s OR '60s NO LONGER EXIST,
'50s OR '60s NO LONGER EXIST, THEN ARIZONA AND COUNTIES THAT
THEN ARIZONA AND COUNTIES THAT NO LONGER CONDUCT ELECTIONS IN
NO LONGER CONDUCT ELECTIONS IN ARIZONA WILL NO LONGER HAVE TO
ARIZONA WILL NO LONGER HAVE TO GET THE FEDERAL JUSTICES'
GET THE FEDERAL JUSTICES' PERMISSION EVERY TIME WE MAKE A
PERMISSION EVERY TIME WE MAKE A SLIGHT CHANGE OR A LITTLE CHANGE
SLIGHT CHANGE OR A LITTLE CHANGE IN THE VOTING LAWS.
IN THE VOTING LAWS. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE THESE TWO
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE THESE TWO CASES COULD BE TIED TO, IF THE
CASES COULD BE TIED TO, IF THE FIRST CASE WAS A CHANGED VOTING
FIRST CASE WAS A CHANGED VOTING LAW IT HAD HAD TO BE CLEARED BY
LAW IT HAD HAD TO BE CLEARED BY THE DOJ.
THE DOJ. IS THAT A CORRECT READ?
IS THAT A CORRECT READ? >> WELL, EVERY SO OFTEN THE TWO
>> WELL, EVERY SO OFTEN THE TWO LAWS MIX, AND EVERY SO OFTEN
LAWS MIX, AND EVERY SO OFTEN THEY HAVE TO BE CLEARED BY THE
THEY HAVE TO BE CLEARED BY THE DOJ, BUT IF THE ELECTION
DOJ, BUT IF THE ELECTION ASSISTANCE COMMISSION ALLOWS US
ASSISTANCE COMMISSION ALLOWS US TO PUT THIS NEW REQUIREMENT IN
TO PUT THIS NEW REQUIREMENT IN THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE FEDERAL
THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE FEDERAL VOTER REGISTRATION FORM IN THEIR
VOTER REGISTRATION FORM IN THEIR PACKET LIKE THEY DID FOR
PACKET LIKE THEY DID FOR LOUISIANA, THEN THAT WOULD SOLVE
LOUISIANA, THEN THAT WOULD SOLVE THAT PROBLEM WHETHER OR NOT THE
THAT PROBLEM WHETHER OR NOT THE SUPREME COURT GETS RID OF THE
SUPREME COURT GETS RID OF THE PRE-CLEARANCE REQUIREMENT IN THE
PRE-CLEARANCE REQUIREMENT IN THE OTHER CASE.
OTHER CASE. >> ALL RIGHT, WELL, MR.
>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, MR. SECRETARY
SECRETARY SECRETARY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
SECRETARY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING IN AND EXPLAINING ALL OF
COMING IN AND EXPLAINING ALL OF THIS IN SIMPLE TERMS INSTEAD OF
THIS IN SIMPLE TERMS INSTEAD OF LEGAL TERMS, IT HELPS OUR
LEGAL TERMS, IT HELPS OUR VIEWERS.
VIEWERS. >> I HOPE SO THANK YOU.
>> I HOPE SO THANK YOU. >>> JUST DAYS BEFORE THE SUPREME
>>> JUST DAYS BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT ISSUED ITS RULING ON THE
COURT ISSUED ITS RULING ON THE VOTER ID LAW, THE ATTORNEY
VOTER ID LAW, THE ATTORNEY CALLED FOR A FEDERAL
CALLED FOR A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION INTO THE VOTER LAW
INVESTIGATION INTO THE VOTER LAW DURING THE LAST CAMPAIGN SEASON.
DURING THE LAST CAMPAIGN SEASON. HE JOINS US NOW IN THE STUDIO,
HE JOINS US NOW IN THE STUDIO, VINCE, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
VINCE, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >>> EXPLAIN IF YOU CAN FOR
>>> EXPLAIN IF YOU CAN FOR VIEWERS EXACTLY WHAT THE
VIEWERS EXACTLY WHAT THE COMPLAINT IS AND WHO YOU FILED
COMPLAINT IS AND WHO YOU FILED IT WITH.
IT WITH. >> WELL, THE COMPLAINT IS ABOUT
>> WELL, THE COMPLAINT IS ABOUT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF
A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF APPARENT EFFORTS TO SUPPRESS THE
APPARENT EFFORTS TO SUPPRESS THE LATINO VOTERS HERE IN THE 2012
LATINO VOTERS HERE IN THE 2012 ELECTION CYCLE.
ELECTION CYCLE. WE HAD ELECTIONS OF BOTH OFFICE
WE HAD ELECTIONS OF BOTH OFFICE CONDUCT IN MARICOPA COUNTY AND
CONDUCT IN MARICOPA COUNTY AND YUMA COUNTY, AND WE ALSO HAD
YUMA COUNTY, AND WE ALSO HAD EFFORTS OF OUTSIDE POLITICAL
EFFORTS OF OUTSIDE POLITICAL EFFORTS OF AUTOMATED PHONE CALLS
EFFORTS OF AUTOMATED PHONE CALLS WITH RESPECT TO VOTING RIGHTS
WITH RESPECT TO VOTING RIGHTS FOR HISPANICS.
FOR HISPANICS. SO IT WAS A COMBINATION OF
SO IT WAS A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT FACTORS, WE HAVE
DIFFERENT FACTORS, WE HAVE AFFIDAVITS FROM FIVE DIFFERENT
AFFIDAVITS FROM FIVE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS, SOME FROM YUMA, AND
INDIVIDUALS, SOME FROM YUMA, AND SOME FROM PIMA COUNTY, INCLUDING
SOME FROM PIMA COUNTY, INCLUDING AN ATTORNEY AND FORMER STATE
AN ATTORNEY AND FORMER STATE LEGISLATOR ABOUT THESE VARIOUS
LEGISLATOR ABOUT THESE VARIOUS EFFORTS THAT WERE DESIGNED TO
EFFORTS THAT WERE DESIGNED TO LOWER OR SUPPRESS LATINO VOTER
LOWER OR SUPPRESS LATINO VOTER TURNOUT.
TURNOUT. SO THAT IS WHAT I SUBMITTED TO
SO THAT IS WHAT I SUBMITTED TO THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND HAVE ASKED FOR THEM TO BEGIN
AND HAVE ASKED FOR THEM TO BEGIN A FORMAL INVESTIGATION INTO
A FORMAL INVESTIGATION INTO THESE PRACTICES.
THESE PRACTICES. >> NOW, I UNDERSTAND THE WHEELS
>> NOW, I UNDERSTAND THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE MOVE SLOWLY.
OF JUSTICE MOVE SLOWLY. HAVE YOU HEARD BACK FROM THEM?
HAVE YOU HEARD BACK FROM THEM? ARE THEY GOING TO INVESTIGATE?
ARE THEY GOING TO INVESTIGATE? OR DO WE NOT KNOW YET?
OR DO WE NOT KNOW YET? >> WELL, THEY HAVE RECEIVED A
>> WELL, THEY HAVE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT.
COMPLAINT. I DID RECEIVE AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT
I DID RECEIVE AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THEY RECEIVED MY
THAT THEY RECEIVED MY CORRESPONDENCE.
CORRESPONDENCE. THEY HAVE RECEIVED AFFIDAVITS,
THEY HAVE RECEIVED AFFIDAVITS, SWORN UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY.
SWORN UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY. WE ALSO PROVIDED NEWS ARTICLES
WE ALSO PROVIDED NEWS ARTICLES ABOUT LATINO VOTERS GIVEN
ABOUT LATINO VOTERS GIVEN INFORMATION IN HISPANIC, WITH
INFORMATION IN HISPANIC, WITH THE WRONG DATE, BUT ON THE FLIP
THE WRONG DATE, BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE IN THE ENGLISH VERSION THEY
SIDE IN THE ENGLISH VERSION THEY HAD THE CORRECT DATE.
HAD THE CORRECT DATE. SO ANYBODY RECEIVING THE
SO ANYBODY RECEIVING THE DOCUMENTS WERE TOLD TO GO VOTE
DOCUMENTS WERE TOLD TO GO VOTE ON THE WRONG DAY.
ON THE WRONG DAY. IN YUMA COUNTY, WE HAD LATINO
IN YUMA COUNTY, WE HAD LATINO VOTERS, THERE WERE REPORTS AND
VOTERS, THERE WERE REPORTS AND AFFIDAVITS SWORN TO THIS EFFECT,
AFFIDAVITS SWORN TO THIS EFFECT, THEY WERE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS WHO
THEY WERE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS WHO RECEIVED REPUBLICAN BALLOTS,
RECEIVED REPUBLICAN BALLOTS, WHICH WAS CERTAINLY DESIGNED TO
WHICH WAS CERTAINLY DESIGNED TO SUPPRESS VOTING, AND DID
SUPPRESS VOTING, AND DID SUPPRESS IT.
SUPPRESS IT. WE ALSO HAD OTHER ALLEGATIONS OF
WE ALSO HAD OTHER ALLEGATIONS OF REPORTS OF UNIFORMED SHERIFF'S
REPORTS OF UNIFORMED SHERIFF'S OFFICE ASKING LATINO VOTERS TO
OFFICE ASKING LATINO VOTERS TO SIGN THE PETITIONS OF THE
SIGN THE PETITIONS OF THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR
REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR SHERIFF.
SHERIFF. KIND OF A WIDE VARIETY.
KIND OF A WIDE VARIETY. AND ALL OF THIS IS EVIDENCE,
AND ALL OF THIS IS EVIDENCE, SWORN UNDER OATH, AFFIDAVITS
SWORN UNDER OATH, AFFIDAVITS THAT WERE PROVIDED.
THAT WERE PROVIDED. WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THEY DO TAKE
WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THEY DO TAKE SOME SORT OF ACTION AND
SOME SORT OF ACTION AND INVESTIGATE THIS CONDUCT.
INVESTIGATE THIS CONDUCT. >> IF I REMEMBER BACK TO THE
>> IF I REMEMBER BACK TO THE ELECTION, PARTICULARLY THE
ELECTION, PARTICULARLY THE MARICOPA COUNTY ISSUE AND THE
MARICOPA COUNTY ISSUE AND THE DATES, THE FOLKS AT THE MARICOPA
DATES, THE FOLKS AT THE MARICOPA COUNTY VOTING OFFICE AT THE TIME
COUNTY VOTING OFFICE AT THE TIME SAID CLERICAL ERROR, AND THEY
SAID CLERICAL ERROR, AND THEY ATTEMPTED TO FIX THE HONEST
ATTEMPTED TO FIX THE HONEST MISTAKE.
MISTAKE. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU BELIEVE THAT EXPLANATION.
BELIEVE THAT EXPLANATION. >> WELL, NO, NO, THE FACTS SPEAK
>> WELL, NO, NO, THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, ONE INSTANCE,
FOR THEMSELVES, ONE INSTANCE, PERHAPS, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE
PERHAPS, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE, OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS,
MULTIPLE, OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS, DIFFERENT KINDS OF DOCUMENTS YOU
DIFFERENT KINDS OF DOCUMENTS YOU HAD REPORTS THAT WENT ON AIR,
HAD REPORTS THAT WENT ON AIR, SUGGESTING IT WAS A FELONY, FOR
SUGGESTING IT WAS A FELONY, FOR A VOLUNTEER TO DO THAT.
A VOLUNTEER TO DO THAT. AND IT TOOK TIME AND RESPONSE TO
AND IT TOOK TIME AND RESPONSE TO FORCE THE ELECTION OFFICIALS TO
FORCE THE ELECTION OFFICIALS TO ISSUE CORRECTING STATEMENTS
ISSUE CORRECTING STATEMENTS ABOUT THOSE SORT OF THINGS.
ABOUT THOSE SORT OF THINGS. THEY WERE ALL DESIGNED IN A WAY
THEY WERE ALL DESIGNED IN A WAY TO SUPPRESS VOTER TURNOUT.
TO SUPPRESS VOTER TURNOUT. AS YOU RECALL, SHERIFF JOE WAS
AS YOU RECALL, SHERIFF JOE WAS FACING A VERY VIABLE CANDIDATE.
FACING A VERY VIABLE CANDIDATE. THERE WAS TREMENDOUS COMMUNITY
THERE WAS TREMENDOUS COMMUNITY OPPOSITION TO SHERIFF JOE IN THE
OPPOSITION TO SHERIFF JOE IN THE LATINO COMMUNITY.
LATINO COMMUNITY. AND THERE WERE HUNDREDS AND
AND THERE WERE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF VOTERS GATHERING
HUNDREDS OF VOTERS GATHERING BALLOTS.
BALLOTS. NOW OF COURSE, THIS ALL LED TO
NOW OF COURSE, THIS ALL LED TO -- WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
-- WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ELECTION, THE COMMUNITY OUTRAGE
ELECTION, THE COMMUNITY OUTRAGE ABOUT THESE VARIOUS INCIDENTS.
ABOUT THESE VARIOUS INCIDENTS. AND THEN YOU SAW THE LEGISLATURE
AND THEN YOU SAW THE LEGISLATURE IN THE LAST SESSION CHANGE THE
IN THE LAST SESSION CHANGE THE LAW NOW MAKING IT A CRIME FOR
LAW NOW MAKING IT A CRIME FOR ANY POLITICAL ORGANIZATION TO
ANY POLITICAL ORGANIZATION TO HAVE VOLUNTEERS COLLECTING
HAVE VOLUNTEERS COLLECTING BALLOTS.
BALLOTS. SO CLEARLY THERE IS A COMPONENT
SO CLEARLY THERE IS A COMPONENT TO THIS.
TO THIS. THE EFFORTS ARE LEGISLATIVE
THE EFFORTS ARE LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS WHICH APPEAR TO BE
EFFORTS WHICH APPEAR TO BE DESIGNED TO SUPPRESS THE
DESIGNED TO SUPPRESS THE COMMUNITY OR THE POLITICAL
COMMUNITY OR THE POLITICAL ORGANIZATIONS.
ORGANIZATIONS. >> AND WE JUST SPOKE WITH
>> AND WE JUST SPOKE WITH SECRETARY OF STATE KEN BENNETT
SECRETARY OF STATE KEN BENNETT ABOUT THIS WEEK'S SUPREME COURT
ABOUT THIS WEEK'S SUPREME COURT RULING ON ARIZONA'S ID LAW.
RULING ON ARIZONA'S ID LAW. HOW DOES THAT RULING, IF AT ALL,
HOW DOES THAT RULING, IF AT ALL, PLAY INTO YOUR COMPLAINT?
PLAY INTO YOUR COMPLAINT? AND WE STILL HAVE ONE VOTING, A
AND WE STILL HAVE ONE VOTING, A RULING COMING DOWN IN THE NEXT
RULING COMING DOWN IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
FEW DAYS. HOW DOES ALL THAT PLAY INTO YOUR
HOW DOES ALL THAT PLAY INTO YOUR COMPLAINTS?
COMPLAINTS? >> WELL, THE SUPREME COURT
>> WELL, THE SUPREME COURT RULING ON THE INTERTRIBAL RULING
RULING ON THE INTERTRIBAL RULING DOESN'T AFFECT IT, BUT DOES SHOW
DOESN'T AFFECT IT, BUT DOES SHOW LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS THAT WERE
LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS THAT WERE DESIGNED TO SORT OF RESTRICT
DESIGNED TO SORT OF RESTRICT VOTES, REGISTRATION FOR VOTING.
VOTES, REGISTRATION FOR VOTING. EXCUSE ME, SO WHAT THE SUPREME
EXCUSE ME, SO WHAT THE SUPREME COURT DNA CASE, ARIZONA, THE
COURT DNA CASE, ARIZONA, THE FEDERAL FORM WHERE YOU DECLARE
FEDERAL FORM WHERE YOU DECLARE UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT
UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO VOTE AND YOU'RE A
YOU'RE ABLE TO VOTE AND YOU'RE A CITIZEN, THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH.
CITIZEN, THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH. ARIZONA, YOU CAN'T GO OVERBOARD
ARIZONA, YOU CAN'T GO OVERBOARD AND ADD ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS
AND ADD ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS TO THE FEDERAL FORM.
TO THE FEDERAL FORM. SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT IT, PER SE,
SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT IT, PER SE, IN THAT DECISION, BUT IT DOES
IN THAT DECISION, BUT IT DOES REFLECT THE LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS
REFLECT THE LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE TO RESTRICT
THAT HAVE BEEN DONE TO RESTRICT VOTING.
VOTING. THE SECOND PART, SECTION FIVE OF
THE SECOND PART, SECTION FIVE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, WILL
THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, WILL REMAIN FEDERAL LAW.
REMAIN FEDERAL LAW. MY COMPLAINT FOR THAT SHOWS THAT
MY COMPLAINT FOR THAT SHOWS THAT THERE ARE STILL INSTANCES OF
THERE ARE STILL INSTANCES OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENINGSTRICT
THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENINGSTRICT ARIZONA HAS A LONG HISTORY OF
ARIZONA HAS A LONG HISTORY OF DISCRIMINATION AND INTIMAIDATIO,
DISCRIMINATION AND INTIMAIDATIO, THAT IS ONE REASON WHY WE ARE
THAT IS ONE REASON WHY WE ARE STRICT IN THE VOTING LAWS, THIS
STRICT IN THE VOTING LAWS, THIS SHOULD SHOW THE SUPREME COURT
SHOULD SHOW THE SUPREME COURT NOT SO FAST, SECTION FIVE SHOULD
NOT SO FAST, SECTION FIVE SHOULD REMAIN LAW, WE NEED PROTECTION
REMAIN LAW, WE NEED PROTECTION IN ARIZONA AND ELSEWHERE,
IN ARIZONA AND ELSEWHERE, BECAUSE OF THESE LAWS THAT
BECAUSE OF THESE LAWS THAT RESTRICT VOTING.
RESTRICT VOTING. >> ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU,
>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU, VINCE FOR COMING IN AND
VINCE FOR COMING IN AND EXPLAINING THESE LAWS.
EXPLAINING THESE LAWS. >>> THANK YOU.
>>> THANK YOU. >>> WE TURN OUR ATTENTION TO THE
>>> WE TURN OUR ATTENTION TO THE FIRE SEASON, FIRES NEAR PRESCOTT
FIRE SEASON, FIRES NEAR PRESCOTT HAS BURNED MORE THAN 5,000
HAS BURNED MORE THAN 5,000 ACRES, THE DOSI FIRE WAS HUMAN
ACRES, THE DOSI FIRE WAS HUMAN CAUSED, THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO
CAUSED, THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENED.
DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENED. THERE ARE TWO OTHER FIRES THAT
THERE ARE TWO OTHER FIRES THAT BEGAN IN ARIZONA, THE HALF WAY
BEGAN IN ARIZONA, THE HALF WAY FIRE ON THE SOUTH RIM OF THE
FIRE ON THE SOUTH RIM OF THE GRAND CANYON BURNED MORE THAN
GRAND CANYON BURNED MORE THAN 200 ACRES BUT NOW, OFFICIALLY
200 ACRES BUT NOW, OFFICIALLY CONTAINED.
CONTAINED. AND THE THOMAS FIRE IN SOUTHERN
AND THE THOMAS FIRE IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA BURNED ACRES IN THE AREA
ARIZONA BURNED ACRES IN THE AREA A.
A. IN ALL, A DOZEN FIRES HAVE
IN ALL, A DOZEN FIRES HAVE BLACKENED THE ARIZONA LANDSCAPE
BLACKENED THE ARIZONA LANDSCAPE SO FAR THIS YEAR.
SO FAR THIS YEAR. TEN YEARS AGO, THE ASPEN FIRE
TEN YEARS AGO, THE ASPEN FIRE DESTROY THE HUNDREDS OF HOMES
DESTROY THE HUNDREDS OF HOMES AND BUSINESSES IN THE CATALINA
AND BUSINESSES IN THE CATALINA MOUNTAIN NEAR TUCSON.
MOUNTAIN NEAR TUCSON. IT ALSO BURNED TENS OF THOUSANDS
IT ALSO BURNED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF FOREST LAND, EVEN
OF ACRES OF FOREST LAND, EVEN TEN YEARS LATER IT IS STILL
TEN YEARS LATER IT IS STILL POSSIBLE TO SEE THE SCORCHING
POSSIBLE TO SEE THE SCORCHING FROM THE FIRE.
FROM THE FIRE. WE GO TO MT. LEMON TO SEE HOW
WE GO TO MT. LEMON TO SEE HOW THE FOREST IS RECOVERING TEN
THE FOREST IS RECOVERING TEN YEARS LATER.
YEARS LATER. >> TEN YEARS AGO ON A BEAUTIFUL
>> TEN YEARS AGO ON A BEAUTIFUL SUMMER DAY ON MT. LEMON, A HIKER
SUMMER DAY ON MT. LEMON, A HIKER ON THE ASPEN TRAIL DROPPED A
ON THE ASPEN TRAIL DROPPED A CIGARETTE.
CIGARETTE. >> THE ASPEN FIRE STARTED ON
>> THE ASPEN FIRE STARTED ON JUNE 17th, 2003.
JUNE 17th, 2003. AND IT WAS REPORTED AT ABOUT
AND IT WAS REPORTED AT ABOUT 3:00 IN THE AFTERNOON BY OUR
3:00 IN THE AFTERNOON BY OUR LEMON ROCK LOOKOUT.
LEMON ROCK LOOKOUT. IT STARTED OUT JUST ON THE OTHER
IT STARTED OUT JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MARSHAL PEAK THERE.
SIDE OF MARSHAL PEAK THERE. AND SO WITHIN MINUTES WE HAD
AND SO WITHIN MINUTES WE HAD RESOURCES ON THE WAY.
RESOURCES ON THE WAY. THE FIRE WAS ONLY A MILE FROM
THE FIRE WAS ONLY A MILE FROM THE TOWN OF SUMMER HAVEN.
THE TOWN OF SUMMER HAVEN. SO EVEN THOUGH THE WINDS WERE
SO EVEN THOUGH THE WINDS WERE BLOWING AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCES
BLOWING AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCES LOCATED THERE, RESIDENTS WERE
LOCATED THERE, RESIDENTS WERE EVACUATED AND FIREFIGHTERS
EVACUATED AND FIREFIGHTERS PREPARED FOR THE WORST WHICH
PREPARED FOR THE WORST WHICH CAME THE VERY NEXT DAY.
CAME THE VERY NEXT DAY. >> AND ABOUT 12:20, THE WIND
>> AND ABOUT 12:20, THE WIND SHIFTED TO THE NORTHEAST,
SHIFTED TO THE NORTHEAST, TOWARDS SUMMER HAVEN, KICKED UP
TOWARDS SUMMER HAVEN, KICKED UP TO ABOUT 60 TO 65 MILES AN HOUR.
TO ABOUT 60 TO 65 MILES AN HOUR. AND THEN YOU COULD SEE IT, CAME
AND THEN YOU COULD SEE IT, CAME OVER THIS RIDGE HERE, AND THEN
OVER THIS RIDGE HERE, AND THEN IT MOVED QUICKLY AROUND SUMMER
IT MOVED QUICKLY AROUND SUMMER HAVEN.
HAVEN. >> PHIL MACK AND HIS WIFE OWN
>> PHIL MACK AND HIS WIFE OWN THE STORE THERE IN SUMMER HAVEN,
THE STORE THERE IN SUMMER HAVEN, HE WAS COOKING FOR THE FIRE CREW
HE WAS COOKING FOR THE FIRE CREW WHEN THE FIRE RAINED DOWN, HE
WHEN THE FIRE RAINED DOWN, HE SPRAYED HIS HOME, AND THEN LEFT.
SPRAYED HIS HOME, AND THEN LEFT. >> YOU SAW THE SMOKE GROWING AND
>> YOU SAW THE SMOKE GROWING AND GROWING AND ASHES COMING DOWN.
GROWING AND ASHES COMING DOWN. IT WAS SOMETHING I NEVER
IT WAS SOMETHING I NEVER EXPERIENCED AND HOPEFULLY NEVER
EXPERIENCED AND HOPEFULLY NEVER WILL AGAIN.
WILL AGAIN. JUST NOT KNOWING AT THE TIME WE
JUST NOT KNOWING AT THE TIME WE LEFT, I SUSPECTED IT WOULD BURN
LEFT, I SUSPECTED IT WOULD BURN DOWN, BUT YOU ARE ALWAYS HOPEFUL
DOWN, BUT YOU ARE ALWAYS HOPEFUL MAYBE IT DIDN'T.
MAYBE IT DIDN'T. >> WELL, THE FIRE ACTUALLY
>> WELL, THE FIRE ACTUALLY BURNED UP AROUND SUMMER HAVEN,
BURNED UP AROUND SUMMER HAVEN, THERE WAS SO MUCH TURBULENCE,
THERE WAS SO MUCH TURBULENCE, THAT THE EMBERS WERE IGNITING
THAT THE EMBERS WERE IGNITING THE OTHER BUILDINGS THERE IN
THE OTHER BUILDINGS THERE IN SUMMER HAVEN.
SUMMER HAVEN. >> IT WAS JUST BURNED DOWN, EVEN
>> IT WAS JUST BURNED DOWN, EVEN THE COIN COLLECTION WAS SMALL
THE COIN COLLECTION WAS SMALL BLACK DOTS.
BLACK DOTS. IT WAS HARD TO DETERMINE WHAT
IT WAS HARD TO DETERMINE WHAT KIND OF COIN IT WAS.
KIND OF COIN IT WAS. IT WAS A VERY HOT FIRE.
IT WAS A VERY HOT FIRE. >> WILDFIRES ARE COMMON AND EVEN
>> WILDFIRES ARE COMMON AND EVEN NATURAL IN ARIZONA'S SKY ISLAND.
NATURAL IN ARIZONA'S SKY ISLAND. BUT FOR A CENTURY, THE ATTITUDE
BUT FOR A CENTURY, THE ATTITUDE WAS TO PUT OUT EVERY FIRE.
WAS TO PUT OUT EVERY FIRE. ONLY IN THE PAST FEW DECADES
ONLY IN THE PAST FEW DECADES HAVE IS SCIENTISTS BEGAN TO
HAVE IS SCIENTISTS BEGAN TO UNDERSTAND THE ECOLOGICAL ROLE
UNDERSTAND THE ECOLOGICAL ROLE OF FIRE.
OF FIRE. >> HISTORICALLY, WHEN FIRE
>> HISTORICALLY, WHEN FIRE BURNED MORE OFTEN IT KEPT THE
BURNED MORE OFTEN IT KEPT THE UNDER STORY OPEN.
UNDER STORY OPEN. AND THE TREES DID NOT BURN.
AND THE TREES DID NOT BURN. THE FIRE BURNED THROUGH THE
THE FIRE BURNED THROUGH THE GRASS AND REALLY DIDN'T CARRY UP
GRASS AND REALLY DIDN'T CARRY UP THROUGH THE CROWN OF THE TREES.
THROUGH THE CROWN OF THE TREES. THE SCIENTISTS THINK OF ALL
THE SCIENTISTS THINK OF ALL VEGETATION AS FUEL.
VEGETATION AS FUEL. HISTORICALLY, WHAT WE SAW WAS
HISTORICALLY, WHAT WE SAW WAS FIRE BURNED THROUGH THE
FIRE BURNED THROUGH THE MOUNTAINS FREQUENTLY THROUGH THE
MOUNTAINS FREQUENTLY THROUGH THE FORESTS AND GRASSLANDS, BUT IT
FORESTS AND GRASSLANDS, BUT IT BURNED PRIMARILY IN THE GRASS.
BURNED PRIMARILY IN THE GRASS. AND GRASS IS A REFINED FUEL.
AND GRASS IS A REFINED FUEL. IT BURNS QUICKLY AND NOT THAT
IT BURNS QUICKLY AND NOT THAT HOT.
HOT. >> THIS IS PART OF OUR FUELS
>> THIS IS PART OF OUR FUELS TREATMENT AREA, WE'RE DOING
TREATMENT AREA, WE'RE DOING FUELS TREATMENT IN THE FORM OF
FUELS TREATMENT IN THE FORM OF THINNING DIFFERENT PLACES ON MT.
THINNING DIFFERENT PLACES ON MT. LEMON.
LEMON. AND THIS IS ONE AREA, BECAUSE WE
AND THIS IS ONE AREA, BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR ORGANIZATION CALLS UP
HAVE OUR ORGANIZATION CALLS UP HERE.
HERE. SO THE POINT OF THIS PROJECT IS
SO THE POINT OF THIS PROJECT IS TO MAINTAIN SOME OPEN CANOPY
TO MAINTAIN SOME OPEN CANOPY SPACE, WITH THE INTENTION OF
SPACE, WITH THE INTENTION OF SLOWING THE MOMENTUM OF A
SLOWING THE MOMENTUM OF A WILDFIRE.
WILDFIRE. AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT
AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ASPEN FIRE.
HAPPENED WITH THE ASPEN FIRE. >> BUT WHEN THE BRUSH GETS
>> BUT WHEN THE BRUSH GETS THICKER, THE FIRE CAN MOVE UP
THICKER, THE FIRE CAN MOVE UP INTO THE CROWN OF THE TREES,
INTO THE CROWN OF THE TREES, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED AROUND
WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED AROUND SUMMER HAVEN.
SUMMER HAVEN. >> THIS PHENOMENON OF FIRE
>> THIS PHENOMENON OF FIRE JUMPING AHEAD OF ITSELF IS MORE
JUMPING AHEAD OF ITSELF IS MORE COMMON WITH BIG FIRES, WITH
COMMON WITH BIG FIRES, WITH CROWN FIRE, WHERE IT IS CREATING
CROWN FIRE, WHERE IT IS CREATING -- LITERALLY CREATES ITS OWN
-- LITERALLY CREATES ITS OWN CLIMATE ABOVE THAT FIRE.
CLIMATE ABOVE THAT FIRE. THE HEAT IS SO GREAT IT IS
THE HEAT IS SO GREAT IT IS CREATING CONVECTIVE LIFTING AND
CREATING CONVECTIVE LIFTING AND CARRYING BURNING EMBERS AND
CARRYING BURNING EMBERS AND LEAVES AND ENTIRE BURNING
LEAVES AND ENTIRE BURNING BRANCHES WILL BE CARRIED UP IN
BRANCHES WILL BE CARRIED UP IN THE AIR COLUMNS.
THE AIR COLUMNS. AND THEY COULD BE CARRIED MILES
AND THEY COULD BE CARRIED MILES IN SOME CASES.
IN SOME CASES. >> CROWN FIRES MAY CREATE WHAT
>> CROWN FIRES MAY CREATE WHAT IS CALLED A MOSAIC EFFECT, WHERE
IS CALLED A MOSAIC EFFECT, WHERE SOME BUILDINGS BURN AND OTHERS
SOME BUILDINGS BURN AND OTHERS DO NOT.
DO NOT. WHILE SOME SECTIONS OF SUMMER
WHILE SOME SECTIONS OF SUMMER HAVEN WERE UNTOUCHED, PHIL
HAVEN WERE UNTOUCHED, PHIL MACK'S STORE UNFORTUNATELY
MACK'S STORE UNFORTUNATELY BURNED DOWN, ALONG WITH 322
BURNED DOWN, ALONG WITH 322 RESIDENCES, SEVEN BUSINESSES AND
RESIDENCES, SEVEN BUSINESSES AND FOUR OUT-BUILDINGS.
FOUR OUT-BUILDINGS. CROWN FIRES CAN ALSO CLEAN THE
CROWN FIRES CAN ALSO CLEAN THE SOIL, CARRYING OFF THE VERY
SOIL, CARRYING OFF THE VERY SEEDS NEEDED TO GROW THE
SEEDS NEEDED TO GROW THE FORESTS, AND THEY CAN CAUSE
FORESTS, AND THEY CAN CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR WATERSHEDS.
PROBLEMS FOR WATERSHEDS. >> YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS GOING TO
>> YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS GOING TO BE COMING DOWN THE WATER SHEDS
BE COMING DOWN THE WATER SHEDS WAS THICK ASH, POOR WATER
WAS THICK ASH, POOR WATER QUALITY.
QUALITY. SO IN THE CANYON, WE HAVE AN
SO IN THE CANYON, WE HAVE AN ENDANGERED FISH.
ENDANGERED FISH. WE WORKED WITH THE ARIZONA GAME
WE WORKED WITH THE ARIZONA GAME AND FISH DEPARTMENT TO SHOCK THE
AND FISH DEPARTMENT TO SHOCK THE CREEK AND REMOVE A LOT OF THE
CREEK AND REMOVE A LOT OF THE CHUG, AND PUT THEM IN A
CHUG, AND PUT THEM IN A DIFFERENT FACILITY WHERE THEY
DIFFERENT FACILITY WHERE THEY STAYED A WHILE.
STAYED A WHILE. AFTER IT WAS OVER, THE SYSTEM
AFTER IT WAS OVER, THE SYSTEM FLUSHED AND IT TOOK SEVERAL
FLUSHED AND IT TOOK SEVERAL YEARS TO GET TO THE POINT TO PUT
YEARS TO GET TO THE POINT TO PUT THE FISH BACK IN.
THE FISH BACK IN. >> THE UPPER ELEVATIONS OF MT.
>> THE UPPER ELEVATIONS OF MT. LEMON ARE CONSIDERED UNIQUE.
LEMON ARE CONSIDERED UNIQUE. SO IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO GET
SO IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO GET TREES FROM ANYWHERE TO REPLACE
TREES FROM ANYWHERE TO REPLACE THOSE KILLED IN THE ASPEN FIRE.
THOSE KILLED IN THE ASPEN FIRE. >> THERE HAD BEEN A HIGHWAY
>> THERE HAD BEEN A HIGHWAY PROJECT HERE, AND WE WERE
PROJECT HERE, AND WE WERE GROWING PLANTS FROM SEEDS THAT
GROWING PLANTS FROM SEEDS THAT WE COLLECTED.
WE COLLECTED. SO WE WERE ABLE TO PULL A LOT OF
SO WE WERE ABLE TO PULL A LOT OF THE PLANTS THAT WERE GROUND
THE PLANTS THAT WERE GROUND READY AND START TO PUT THEM IN
READY AND START TO PUT THEM IN PLACE WHERE THE WATER SHED
PLACE WHERE THE WATER SHED NEEDED PROTECTION.
NEEDED PROTECTION. >> IN SOME PLACES THE PLANTS ARE
>> IN SOME PLACES THE PLANTS ARE GROWING, ELSEWHERE, THE OTHER
GROWING, ELSEWHERE, THE OTHER TREES ARE TAKING OVER, CHANGING
TREES ARE TAKING OVER, CHANGING THE WAY THE LANDSCAPE LOOKS AND
THE WAY THE LANDSCAPE LOOKS AND THE CREATURES THAT LIVE THERE.
THE CREATURES THAT LIVE THERE. IN SOME AREAS THIS POSES A
IN SOME AREAS THIS POSES A PROBLEM, IN OTHERS, A
PROBLEM, IN OTHERS, A POSSIBILITY FOR SURVIVAL.
POSSIBILITY FOR SURVIVAL. >> THEY NEED THE OPEN FIELD OF
>> THEY NEED THE OPEN FIELD OF VIEW TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM
VIEW TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM PREDATORS, ESPECIALLY MOUNTAIN
PREDATORS, ESPECIALLY MOUNTAIN LIONS.
LIONS. AS THE BRUSH GET THICK, THEY
AS THE BRUSH GET THICK, THEY EITHER LEAVE OR THEY'RE KILLED.
EITHER LEAVE OR THEY'RE KILLED. AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED HERE
AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED HERE IN THE CATALINAS.
IN THE CATALINAS. THE ASPEN FUR BURNED IN THE
THE ASPEN FUR BURNED IN THE AREA, AND REALLY OPENED UP THE
AREA, AND REALLY OPENED UP THE WOODLANDS AND THE BRUSH ON THE
WOODLANDS AND THE BRUSH ON THE HILL SIDES, AND THE GAME AND
HILL SIDES, AND THE GAME AND FISH DEPARTMENT THINKS THE
FISH DEPARTMENT THINKS THE HABITAT IS SUITABLE AGAIN, AND
HABITAT IS SUITABLE AGAIN, AND THEY'RE REINTRODUCING SOME BIG
THEY'RE REINTRODUCING SOME BIG HORN.
HORN. >>> THE FIRE BLEW BACK UP AGAIN,
>>> THE FIRE BLEW BACK UP AGAIN, SCORCHING NEARLY 85,000 ACRES
SCORCHING NEARLY 85,000 ACRES ALONG THE WAY.
ALONG THE WAY. DIGNITARIES SUCH AS SENATOR JOHN
DIGNITARIES SUCH AS SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN AND PRESIDENT BUSH WERE
MCCAIN AND PRESIDENT BUSH WERE THERE.
THERE. TEN YEARS LATER IT IS HARD TO
TEN YEARS LATER IT IS HARD TO SEE SCARS FROM THE FIRE,
SEE SCARS FROM THE FIRE, ELSEWHERE, RESIDENTS HAVE
ELSEWHERE, RESIDENTS HAVE RETURNED AND REBUILT WHAT THEY
RETURNED AND REBUILT WHAT THEY LOST.
LOST. >> PEOPLE ASK AREN'T YOU WORRIED
>> PEOPLE ASK AREN'T YOU WORRIED ABOUT BURNING DOWN AGAIN?
ABOUT BURNING DOWN AGAIN? NO, I REALLY AM NOT.
NO, I REALLY AM NOT. I DON'T THINK IN MY LIFETIME AND
I DON'T THINK IN MY LIFETIME AND MY KIDS' LIFETIME THERE WILL BE
MY KIDS' LIFETIME THERE WILL BE A FIRE THAT BIG IN THE VILLAGE
A FIRE THAT BIG IN THE VILLAGE OF SUMMER HAVEN, BECAUSE IT
OF SUMMER HAVEN, BECAUSE IT CLEANED IT UP.
CLEANED IT UP. WE ARE NOW A FIRE-WISE COMMUNITY
WE ARE NOW A FIRE-WISE COMMUNITY WHICH WE DIDN'T USED TO BE.
WHICH WE DIDN'T USED TO BE. >> AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, THE
>> AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, THE FIRE SEASON IN ARIZONA IS WELL
FIRE SEASON IN ARIZONA IS WELL UNDER WAY.
UNDER WAY. MICHAEL CHIHAK SAT DOWN WITH
MICHAEL CHIHAK SAT DOWN WITH KRISTI LUND, TO DISCUSS THIS
KRISTI LUND, TO DISCUSS THIS YEAR'S PROSPECTS FOR WILDLAND
YEAR'S PROSPECTS FOR WILDLAND FIRES.
FIRES. >> MICHELLE FIDDLER, THANK YOU
>> MICHELLE FIDDLER, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
FOR JOINING US. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. >> I WANT TO ASK BOTH OF YOU,
>> I WANT TO ASK BOTH OF YOU, STARTING WITH YOU, MS. LUND,
STARTING WITH YOU, MS. LUND, WHAT THIS YEAR'S FIRE SEASON IS
WHAT THIS YEAR'S FIRE SEASON IS EXPECTED TO BE LIKE IN THE WAKE
EXPECTED TO BE LIKE IN THE WAKE OF A SEASON LAST YEAR IN WHICH
OF A SEASON LAST YEAR IN WHICH WE SAW THE THIRD LARGEST ACREAGE
WE SAW THE THIRD LARGEST ACREAGE EVER BURNED NATIONALLY.
EVER BURNED NATIONALLY. >> WELL, THE ACREAGE BURNING
>> WELL, THE ACREAGE BURNING LAST YEAR WAS MAINLY NORTH IN
LAST YEAR WAS MAINLY NORTH IN ARIZONA, WE HAD A COMPARATIVELY
ARIZONA, WE HAD A COMPARATIVELY MILD SEASON.
MILD SEASON. RIGHT NOW THE SEASON FOR FIRE
RIGHT NOW THE SEASON FOR FIRE DANGER, THE SYMPTOMS ARE CLOSE
DANGER, THE SYMPTOMS ARE CLOSE TO WHAT THEY WERE LAST YEAR.
TO WHAT THEY WERE LAST YEAR. GIVEN THAT, WE'RE ALWAYS
GIVEN THAT, WE'RE ALWAYS PREPARED FOR THE WORST.
PREPARED FOR THE WORST. WE'VE NOT HAD CUTBACKS IN
WE'VE NOT HAD CUTBACKS IN RESOURCES, WE'RE ADEQUATELY
RESOURCES, WE'RE ADEQUATELY STAFFED AND HAVE PEOPLE COME TO
STAFFED AND HAVE PEOPLE COME TO HELP US FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
HELP US FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND WE ALREADY HAVE FOLKS FROM
AND WE ALREADY HAVE FOLKS FROM MONTANA DOING THAT ALREADY.
MONTANA DOING THAT ALREADY. >> AND MS. FIDLER, HOW DO YOU
>> AND MS. FIDLER, HOW DO YOU SEE IT FROM LAST YEAR'S POINT OF
SEE IT FROM LAST YEAR'S POINT OF VIEW?
VIEW? >> YES, I THINK WE'RE SEEING
>> YES, I THINK WE'RE SEEING POTENTIAL FIRE DANGER HERE IN
POTENTIAL FIRE DANGER HERE IN THE SOUTHEAST PART OF THE STATE.
THE SOUTHEAST PART OF THE STATE. IT IS EXPECTED TO EXPAND
IT IS EXPECTED TO EXPAND STATEWIDE AS WE CONTINUE INTO
STATEWIDE AS WE CONTINUE INTO JUNE.
JUNE. >> AND MS. LUND, ARE THERE
>> AND MS. LUND, ARE THERE SPECIFIC PARTS OF THE STATE?
SPECIFIC PARTS OF THE STATE? MS. FIDLER MENTIONS OTHER PARTS
MS. FIDLER MENTIONS OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE.
OF THE STATE. ARE THERE PARTS OF THE STATE
ARE THERE PARTS OF THE STATE MORE VULNERABLE THAN OTHERS?
MORE VULNERABLE THAN OTHERS? >> MAINLY IT HAS TO DO WITH THE
>> MAINLY IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FUELS.
FUELS. AND DOWN HERE IN THE SOUTHEAST,
AND DOWN HERE IN THE SOUTHEAST, WE DRY OUT EARLIER, WITH THE
WE DRY OUT EARLIER, WITH THE LONG-TERM DROUGHT, OF COURSE A
LONG-TERM DROUGHT, OF COURSE A LOT OF THE FUELS ARE DRIED.
LOT OF THE FUELS ARE DRIED. IT DRIES QUICKLY, AND A LOT OF
IT DRIES QUICKLY, AND A LOT OF BRUSH, ANYWHERE YOU'RE IN THE
BRUSH, ANYWHERE YOU'RE IN THE GRASS AND BRUSH IT IS FAR DRIER
GRASS AND BRUSH IT IS FAR DRIER THAN IT IS IN THE TEMPERED AREA.
THAN IT IS IN THE TEMPERED AREA. >> MS. FIDLER, LET'S TALK ABOUT
>> MS. FIDLER, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GRASS, THE BUFFALO GRASS A
THE GRASS, THE BUFFALO GRASS A PROBLEM HERE IN THE SONORA
PROBLEM HERE IN THE SONORA DANGER, HOW DOES IT INCREASE TO
DANGER, HOW DOES IT INCREASE TO THE FIRE DANGER?
THE FIRE DANGER? >> HISTORICALLY, THE DESERT
>> HISTORICALLY, THE DESERT VEGETATION WAS VERY SPARSE AND
VEGETATION WAS VERY SPARSE AND SPREAD OUT.
SPREAD OUT. THE BUFFALO GRASS IS A
THE BUFFALO GRASS IS A CHALLENGE, BECAUSE IT CONTINUES
CHALLENGE, BECAUSE IT CONTINUES TO FUEL THE GRASSES IN THE AREA.
TO FUEL THE GRASSES IN THE AREA. IT TENDS TO GROW IN MORE
IT TENDS TO GROW IN MORE DISTURBED AREAS, CLOSER TO THE
DISTURBED AREAS, CLOSER TO THE WILD LAND INTER FACE WHERE THE
WILD LAND INTER FACE WHERE THE WILD LANDS BUMP UP TO LANDS AND
WILD LANDS BUMP UP TO LANDS AND HOMES AND COMMUNITIES.
HOMES AND COMMUNITIES. IT IS A PROBLEM IN THE TOWNS
IT IS A PROBLEM IN THE TOWNS ALONG THE AREA HERE.
ALONG THE AREA HERE. SO WE ARE ENCOURAGING FOLKS TO
SO WE ARE ENCOURAGING FOLKS TO GET TO KNOW WHAT BUFFALO GRASS
GET TO KNOW WHAT BUFFALO GRASS IS, HOW TO IDENTIFY IT AND LEARN
IS, HOW TO IDENTIFY IT AND LEARN HOW TO PULL OR SPRAY IT TO HELP
HOW TO PULL OR SPRAY IT TO HELP TO PROTECT THEIR OWN HOMES.
TO PROTECT THEIR OWN HOMES. >> MS. LUND, YOU MENTIONED THAT
>> MS. LUND, YOU MENTIONED THAT RESOURCES ARE NOT AN ISSUE NOW,
RESOURCES ARE NOT AN ISSUE NOW, BUT WE HEAR THAT NATIONALLY WITH
BUT WE HEAR THAT NATIONALLY WITH THE FEDERAL BUDGET CUTS THERE
THE FEDERAL BUDGET CUTS THERE HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS.
HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS. DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT IF IT IS
DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT IF IT IS A REALLY BAD SEASON YOU MAY RUN
A REALLY BAD SEASON YOU MAY RUN INTO THOSE TYPES ISSUES?
INTO THOSE TYPES ISSUES? >> I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT AT
>> I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT AT ALL, PARTLY BECAUSE WE'RE FULLY
ALL, PARTLY BECAUSE WE'RE FULLY STAFFED, ACCORDING TO BUDGET AND
STAFFED, ACCORDING TO BUDGET AND PREPAREDNESS PLANS, ALSO THE
PREPAREDNESS PLANS, ALSO THE SOUTHWEST TENDS TO COME INTO
SOUTHWEST TENDS TO COME INTO FIRE SEASON BEFORE OTHER AREAS
FIRE SEASON BEFORE OTHER AREAS IN THE WEST, SO AS I MENTIONED
IN THE WEST, SO AS I MENTIONED WE HAVE CREWS COMING IN FROM
WE HAVE CREWS COMING IN FROM MONTANA.
MONTANA. WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WHERE WE
WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WHERE WE CAN WORK BACK AND FORTH WITH
CAN WORK BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM, THEY STILL HAVE SNOW THERE
THEM, THEY STILL HAVE SNOW THERE WHEN WE'RE IN FIRE SEASON HERE.
WHEN WE'RE IN FIRE SEASON HERE. SO WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE FOLKS
SO WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE FOLKS COMING IN.
COMING IN. BECAUSE WE START TO BURN FIRST,
BECAUSE WE START TO BURN FIRST, WE HAVE THE LUXURY, IF YOU WANT
WE HAVE THE LUXURY, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, TO HAVE THE
TO CALL IT THAT, TO HAVE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO US.
RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO US. BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE HAS
BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE HAS ACTIVITY.
ACTIVITY. WE CAN PULL RESOURCES
WE CAN PULL RESOURCES NATIONALLY, AS WE DID, FOR
NATIONALLY, AS WE DID, FOR EXAMPLE IN 2011.
EXAMPLE IN 2011. >> THE CREWS FROM MONTANA COMING
>> THE CREWS FROM MONTANA COMING IN, MS. LUND, WHAT ARE THEY
IN, MS. LUND, WHAT ARE THEY DOING?
DOING? WORKING ON PREP WORK?
WORKING ON PREP WORK? >> THEY ARE, WE'RE IN PREP
>> THEY ARE, WE'RE IN PREP SEASON, SO WE'RE FINISHING UP
SEASON, SO WE'RE FINISHING UP FUELS PROJECTS, DOING CAMP
FUELS PROJECTS, DOING CAMP GROUND PATROLS, TALKING ABOUT
GROUND PATROLS, TALKING ABOUT BEING SAFE WITH THE CAMP FIRES
BEING SAFE WITH THE CAMP FIRES AND SIMPLY BEING OUT PATROLLING
AND SIMPLY BEING OUT PATROLLING FOR FIRES AND BEING READY FOR
FOR FIRES AND BEING READY FOR IMMEDIATE SUPPRESSION.
IMMEDIATE SUPPRESSION. >>> AND I WANT TO ASK YOU, THE
>>> AND I WANT TO ASK YOU, THE ANSWER MAY SEEM OBVIOUS, BUT
ANSWER MAY SEEM OBVIOUS, BUT WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO REMIND THE
WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO REMIND THE PUBLIC ABOUT STOPPING FOREST
PUBLIC ABOUT STOPPING FOREST FIRES.
FIRES. >> I'LL STEAL MICHELLE'S ANSWER,
>> I'LL STEAL MICHELLE'S ANSWER, WHEN PEOPLE GO OUT TO PUBLIC
WHEN PEOPLE GO OUT TO PUBLIC LANDS WHERE YOU CAN GET
LANDS WHERE YOU CAN GET INFORMATION ON FIRE RESTRICTIONS
INFORMATION ON FIRE RESTRICTIONS THERE, WE ASK EVERYBODY TO BE AS
THERE, WE ASK EVERYBODY TO BE AS -- CAREFUL, BE RESPONSIBLE WITH
-- CAREFUL, BE RESPONSIBLE WITH FIRES IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO
FIRES IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE FIRES.
HAVE FIRES. MAKE SURE THEY ARE COLD DEAD
MAKE SURE THEY ARE COLD DEAD OUT.
OUT. >> AND MS. FIDLER, DO YOU HAVE
>> AND MS. FIDLER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
ANYTHING TO ADD. >> LIKE KRISTI SAID, KNOW BEFORE
>> LIKE KRISTI SAID, KNOW BEFORE YOU GO.
YOU GO. CHECK ON THE CURRENT CONDITIONS,
CHECK ON THE CURRENT CONDITIONS, BUT ALSO JUST BE AWARE,
BUT ALSO JUST BE AWARE, FIREWORKS ARE NEVER ALLOWED ON
FIREWORKS ARE NEVER ALLOWED ON PUBLIC LANDS HERE IN ARIZONA.
PUBLIC LANDS HERE IN ARIZONA. IF YOU HAVE A CAMP FIRE YOU WANT
IF YOU HAVE A CAMP FIRE YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU DROWN, STIR AND
TO MAKE SURE YOU DROWN, STIR AND REPEAT UNTIL IT IS COLD TO THE
REPEAT UNTIL IT IS COLD TO THE TOUCH.
TOUCH. >> AND THAT IS AZ WEEK FOR THIS
>> AND THAT IS AZ WEEK FOR THIS WEEK.
WEEK. MICHAEL CHIHAK WILL RETURN FOR
MICHAEL CHIHAK WILL RETURN FOR NEXT WEEK.
NEXT WEEK. I'M CHRISTOPHER CONOVER, THANK
I'M CHRISTOPHER CONOVER, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
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