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HARRY, THAT'S HARRY SMITH, AND
HE ASKED HER WHAT IT'S LIKE TO
BE MADONNA.
>> ARE THERE TWO MADONNAS?
>> THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 25,
BUT TO MY CHILDREN, THERE'S
MOSTLY THE ONE THAT COMES HOME
AND SAYS HAVE YOU DONE YOUR
HOMEWORK AND WHY ARE YOU WEARING
THAT AND WHY DID YOU SAY THAT
AND WHAT ARE YOU EATING THAT
FOR?
♪♪
♪ GIVE ME YOUR LOVE ♪
♪ L-U-V MADONNA ♪
♪ GIVE
>>> WE ARE BACK TONIGHT WITH A
CONVERSATION WITH MADONNA, AND
IN LIGHT OF TODAY'S NEWS ABOUT
THE DEATH OF *** CLARK, TAKE A1
LOOK AT THIS.
♪♪
>> WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO HAPPEN
DID --
>> THAT WAS AMERICAN BAND STAND.
HER SONG "HOLIDAY."
SHE WAS 25 YEARS OLD, AND WHEN
*** CLARK ASKED HER THERE WHAT
HER AMBITION WAS, SHE SAID,
QUOTE, "TO RULE THE WORLD."
OKAY.
SO SHE FELL A LITTLE SHORT OF
THAT, BUT SHE HAS DONE OKAY FOR
HERSELF.
SHE HAS RELAUNCHED AND
REINVENTED HERSELF YET AGAIN.
SHE IS, AS YOU'LL SEE, DIFFERENT
NOW.
FROM THE HINT OF BRITISH ACCENT
YOU'LL HEAR SNEAK INTO THIS
CONVERSATION TO THE FACT THAT
SHE IS OLDER NOW AND HAS DEALT
WITH MORE HIGHS AND LOWS AND
THINGS LIKE PARENTING.
HARRY SMITH SAT DOWN WITH
MADONNA A FEW DAYS BACK, AND
AMONG OTHERS THINGS, CHALLENGED
HER TO PLAY TRUTH OR DARE.
♪♪
>> Reporter: THE LAST TIME MOST
OF US SAW MADONNA WAS DURING
HALFTIME AT THE SUPER BOWL.
♪ STRIKE A POSE ♪
>> Reporter: SIMULTANEOUSLY
CHANNELLING BOTH HER INNER
CLEOPATRA AND HER INNER
CHEERLEADER, YES, SHE WAS A
CHEERLEADER IN HIGH SCHOOL, IT
SEEMED SHE HAD FINALLY FOUND A
STAGE BIG ENOUGH TO MATCH HER
BLONDE AMBITION.
♪ MUSIC ♪
>> Reporter: THE SUPER BOWL SET
A RECORD AS THE MOST WATCHED
TELEVISION EVENT IN U.S.
HISTORY, BUT MORE PEOPLE WATCHED
THE HALFTIME SHOW THAN WATCHED
THE GAME.
114 MILLION PEOPLE STAYED TO
WATCH.
WHAT DID THAT MEAN TO YOU?
>> IT MEANT THE WORLD TO ME.
IT MEANT THAT I GUESS PEOPLE
WERE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT I WAS
GOING TO DO.
AND I FELT REALLY LUCKY.
>> AFFIRMATION?
>> YEAH.
I MEAN, IT WAS A KIND OF A
MAGICAL EXPERIENCE.
ESPECIALLY TOWARDS THE END WHEN
I WAS SINGING "LIKE A PRAYER."
♪ EVERYONE MUST STAND ALONE ♪
>> EVERYBODY WAS LIT UP LIKE A
CANDLE.
YEAH.
>> YOU ALMOST CRIED.
>> WHEN?
>> JUST NOW.
>> I DID NOT.
BUT I ALMOST CRIED ON THE SUPER
BOWL.
>> YEAH?
>> I DID.
DURING "LIKE A PRAYER."
I ALMOST CRIED THEN FOR SURE.
I DIDN'T ALMOST CRY.
>> NOT JUST NOW?
>> I KNOW WHEN I'M ABOUT TO CRY,
HARRY.
YOU DON'T KNOW ME THAT WELL.
>> FOR 30 YEARS NOW MADONNA HAS
BEEN SEEK AND GETTING OUR
ATTENTION.
LIKE HER OR NOT, THE SUPER BOWL
PROVED WE CANNOT IGNORE HER, NOR
APPARENTLY DO WE WANT TO.
SO WHEN HER NEW ALBUM WAS
RELEASED LAST MONTH, ONCE AGAIN,
SHE GOT OUR ATTENTION.
IT DEBUTED AT NUMBER ONE.
>> IT'S HARD TO BE NUMBER ONE.
IT'S HARD TO SELL RECORDS.
YOU KNOW?
IT'S A A LOT OF COMPETITION, AND
I WAS EXTREMELY ELATED.
YEAH.
>> BUT IN THE SECOND WEEK IT
PLUNGED DOWN THE CHARTS LEAVING
SOME TO WONDER IF THE MISTRESS
OF REINVENTION HAD LOST HER
TOUCH.
DON'T TELL THAT TO HER DIE-HARD
FANS WHO WENT TO HER LAUNCH OF
HER NEW PERFUME AND ASKED HER TO
SIGN HIS ARM.
>> I ASKED HER TO SIGN IT, AND
SHE AGREED TO IT.
SHE DID.
>> HE THEN WENT TO THE TATTOO
PARLOR TO HAVE THE SIGNATURE
MADE PERMANENT.
AS FOR THE ALBUM'S CONTENT, THE
LYRICS SEEM TO BE A SCREAM
AGAINST HER EX-HUSBAND, GUY
RITCHIE.
>> THERE ARE LYRICS ABOUT
CUSTODY AND PRENUPS AND HOW DO
YOU END UP WITH ALL MY JACK.
DID YOU GET A LOT OFF OF YOUR
CHEST?
>> YES.
I DID.
IN A MATTER OF SPEAKING.
THERE'S A RULE OF THEM WHEN IT
COMES TO WRITING, AND THAT IS
WRITE ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW, SO --
>> I HEARD SOME ANGER IN THERE.
THE GIRL IS ANGRY.
[ SPEAKING FRENCH ]
>> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
>> I AM ANGRY.
♪ BUT I'M A BAD GIRL ♪
>> NARY A DAY GOES BY, IT SEEMS,
THAT MADONNA ISN'T IN THE NEWS.
THE TV AD FOR MEASURE NEW
PERFUME REPORTEDLY RUSTLED
FEATHERS WHEN IT WAS DEEMED TOO
RACY.
>> IS THERE A POINT IN YOUR LIFE
WHERE YOU EVER GET TIRED OF
BEING CONTROVERSIAL?
>> I THINK IT'S NOT ME BEING
CONTROVERSIAL.
I THINK OTHER PEOPLE LIKE TO GET
ATTENTION, AND THEY KNOW THEY
CAN GET ATTENTION FOR THEMSELVES
BY MENTIONING MY NAME, AND I
THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE KIND OF
STUCK ON MY NAME LIKE A NEEDLE
ON A RECORD, AND THEY JUST HAVE
TO KEEP CALLING ATTENTION TO
SOMETHING I'VE DONE.
AND IT WORKS.
>> Reporter: MAYBE NOT TIRED OF
BEING CONTROVERSIAL, BUT TIRED,
YES.
OUR CHAPTER PLAYS AT MIDNIGHT,
AND EVEN SHE ADMITS SOMETIMES
SHE THINKS ABOUT SLOWING DOWN.
>> 53 YEARS OLD, MAKING MUSIC.
DO YOU EVER HAVE A DAY WHERE YOU
THINK YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GOING
TO JUST CHILL?
>> OF COURSE, I HAVE THOSE DAYS.
I'M HAVING THEM RIGHT NOW JUST
ABOUT EVERY OTHER DAY.
I WANT TO STAY HOME IN MY BED.
YEAH.
I'M TIRED.
IT'S PAST YOUR BEDTIME, HARRY.
>> IT IS A LITTLE BIT.
>> Reporter: TURNS OUT, IT'S NOT
SO EASY MAINTAINING HER PLACE AT
THE CENTER OF THE POP UNIVERSE
AND BEING A SINGLE MOM WITH FOUR
KIDS.
>> IS IT HARD BEING YOU?
>> I IMAGINE IT MUST BE.
YES, IT IS.
IT MUST BE HARD BECAUSE I
COMPLAIN ALL THE TIME.
>> I'M SERIOUS.
>> THAT'S A STRANGE QUESTION TO
ASK ME.
IS IT HARD BEING YOU?
>> ONLY ON CERTAIN DAYS.
>> YEAH.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S HARD.
WE ALL HAVE OUR CHALLENGES.
TO BE A SINGLE MOTHER OF FOUR
AND TO WORK AS MUCH AS I DO,
LIVE MY LIFE IN A KIND OF
METAPHORICAL FISHBOWL, IT'S
PRETTY CHALLENGING.
YEAH.
BUT SO FAR I'VE SURVIVED WITH
SANITY AND HUMOR INTACT.
>> ARE THERE TWO MADONNAS?
>> THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 25,
BUT TO MY CHILDREN THERE'S
MOSTLY THE ONE THAT COMES HOME
AND SAYS HAVE YOU DONE YOUR
HOMEWORK AND WHY ARE YOU WEARING
THAT AND WHY DID YOU SAY THAT
AND WHAT ARE YOU EATING THAT
FOR?
>> Reporter: HER OLDEST DAUGHTER
LOURDES IS 15.
THEY A CLOTHING LINE AND SANG
BACK-UP ON HER ALBUM.
>> THERE WAS A PICTURE OF HER
SMOKING A CIGARETTE, AND I
THOUGHT HOW DID MADONNA REACT TO
THAT?
>> SHE WASN'T VERY HAPPY.
>> ARE YOU A TOUGH MOM?
>> I THINK I AM, BUT HONESTLY, I
DON'T THINK I'M AS TOUGH AS I
SHOULD BE.
I THINK I NEED TO BE MAYBE
TOUGHER.
IT'S HARD, THOUGH.
IT'S HARD.
EVERY DAY IS A NEGOTIATION.
CIGARETTE SMOKING I'M NOT VERY
FOND OF, FOR ANYONE.
I DON'T APPROVE OF ANYONE
SMOKING A CIGARETTE.
MOST OF ALL MY DAUGHTER.
>> BUT THERE'S A VIDEO OF YOU
WITH A CIGARETTE IN YOUR MOUTH.
>> YES.
I DON'T SMOKE.
THAT'S JUST AN ACCESSORY, HARRY.
THERE'S A DIFFERENT.
SHE SMOKED THAT CIGARETTE BEFORE
I DID THAT VIDEO, SO SHE DIDN'T
GET THAT FROM ME, OKAY?
>> Reporter: AND LES YOU WONDER
IF SHE'S ABOUT TO MORPH INTO THE
MATERIAL MOM, FEAR NOT.
MADONNA IS NOT DONE.
>> DO YOU HAVE STUFF LEFT TO
PROVE?
>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PROVE, BUT
I CERTAINLY HAVE STUFF LEFT TO
SAY.