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[Clapping] So... [clapping] thank you Jerry I want to open the floor up for questions
uh I'll also observe I'm not sure we can kind of bring it up on the fly we've been capturing
twitter feed over the course of the conference so we will be archiving this conference in our institutional repository
we are happy to share a copy of that with OSU as well uh so we will have speaker talks that will be not just capturing the video, but I believe
believe also they'll be OCRed so we will have the text we'll have the slides we'll have the twitter feed.
So we have kind of the beginning of a set of data here that we can mine on this topic so that aside uh again I want to
I want to throw the floor open for questions uh both for the speakers in terms of what they talked about
and collect your observations uh relative to in your mind how we go forward.
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So doctors Maylayer and Droegemeier do you think the time has come to start talking about developing a campus Open Access policies at OU and OSU?
I think it's certainly something we can begin the process of doing I don't know about at OU at OSU
a policy like that is probably going to take um you know years uh,but uh certainly we can begin to engage with uh with uh
the faculty and with the administration on the development of policies
and there are great models out there for what kind of policies we could we could potentially use. So...
Yeah I think that's exactly right uh I think they are needed and it's something I think OU in particular needs to do,
and I think Rick has been thinking hard about this um I think with the increasing clarity that we're seeing from the federal government
about requirements in terms of scholarship I think that's gonna help motivate the creation of that at all levels in the university
uh just if not for anything else other than for compliance but I think we have to think of it obviously much more broadly than compliance
but think of it on the flip side of scholarship how can an Open Access policy that softly done really help
unlock potential for like what Jerry talked about in terms of making things available not only in data but also in publications.
A publication OA policy will be easier than the data policy.
Data policies can be very challenging, but uh we absolutely need to begin working on that.
If one looks around the country at other institutions that have achieved if you will a policy uh my observation is that those processes
took anywhere from a year to two plus years in any given institution and its been it's a process of dialogue of education of uh finding faculty champions etcetera
so that may sound like a long time and will be a long time until you take the first step and so in my goal coming out of of this conference is that in fact,
we begin to take those first steps. Some of the first steps are number one we have got to find faculty champions
uh secondly we've got to build the the sort of knowledge confidency if you will all of us individually in this area
so that we can talk with credibility uh with confidence and with passion I believe as we interact with faculty members.
We need to have an institutional repository up and running. At OU, we are uh sort of moving into a second generation
a platform based on um Dspace and that in fact is one of the things that Carl Grant is our new uh associate dean
and CTO had in his plate uh as he arrives. I know this is something that OSU has been working on
uh for a period of time and in some ways there probably ahead of us and so
we'll use our sense of competition uh in a positive way here. We need to catch up with OSU.
Certainly the question of rights um as we talk to faculty members and every time I have an opportunity to talk with an individual faculty member
I say if you do nothing else please understand that you can give away almost everything
when you're desperate to publish except for the preservation rights hold on at least to the preservation rights
so that where ever you publish if that vehicle dies your work will still live on.
You're able to drop it into the institution who can light it up in the event that where ever it resides it dies.
We need to really start to build the fibers that more deeply connect us in terms of collaboration.
We need abbacy. We're not going to get to sort of a state where we've got policies that are actually
meaningful without a whole kind of abbacy uh process behind it.
Perhaps not lastly but last on own list we're going to need visibility
a great deal of visibility um that visibility doesn't happen by somebody in uh
public relations function sort of running an ad in the paper or throwing a website up.
The visibility happen with the people in this room who get out
and talk it up and demonstrate and bring people to the table connect people as Lorraine talked about to one another.
Who connect the scholars to scholars who are doing this work and all of a sudden that starts
to have a multiplier effect. So all of those things need to begin to happen to achieve uh the state of A.
there's a policy in place, but B. it's got some meaning and actually starts to drive behaviors in the way that we'd like to see.
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Joyce Summer [inaudible] from the OU Health and Sciences Center,
um I'm just wondering we certainly have to make lots of efforts with various institutions within the state has there been any discussion
behind the scenes to start educating our legislators perhaps so that they may be a potential source for
advocacy and are aware of the process and all of the challenges that go behind this because certainly this is something
that would elevate this state and um give them a leg up. Jerry do you want to comment on that?
Well I think that certainly uh advocacy with the legislators is important
I think the idea is to get more funding from them probably uh not not uh going to be very successful there, but
you know the other uh uh aspect that uh we haven't talked about here yet
um uh goes back to educational resources uh and Open Access educational resources as Mark talked about yesterday
where um you know we can not only uh impact on uh the educational process in our institutions but we can also expand
that out into um learning opportunities at our regional four year institutions possibly back into the K-12th uh system uh
and I think everybody uh that you would talk to in Oklahoma City would be on board with the idea that anything we can do
to enhance uh the educational system in Oklahoma and the educational process beginning back at Pre-K levels uh
and going forward is going to be something they would support.
So uh I think there's a lot of opportunities to push button with legislators with um uh the governor's office,
and other you know political and even business uh uh elements in the state in terms of the advocacy of what you're talking about.
I would just quickly add that another dimension is the growth of jobs and wealth in the state,
and I think that if you look at private companies that look to relocate or to start up their first
and foremost looking for human capital. That is the number one thing. If you don't have the work force that they need,
and I'm talking about a start up as well as you know a bowing company coming to Oklahoma
that is really key. The education is really important as well which ties in to that um and all that goes along with that which would be for example,
the output of institutions and things like for example data repositories that might be of value to a particular company
especially in this world of analytics I mean that is going to be so important going forward
and I think we're just beginning to see um see the value of proposition in that.
And it spans a spectrum of insurance companies to risk management companies to energy to whatever.
So you think about Oklahoma you know what could we do in terms of a state that would have
a repository specifically geared toward the business of energy which is a huge issue.
Lots of decisions in energy these days are being driven not only by the science technology recovered in exploration
but their being driven by by business processes that really are not something that are really taught
in the engineering domain they are taught in the business domain.
There again is a boundary kind of a crossing that I think this sort of fits into legislators think about the economy
and think about jobs, and they think about growth that's what as well as education and that is what would speak to them I think.
And following on the business aspect we've got you know tremendous uh networking capability in the state uh and
high performance computing capability in the state a lot of our business community is not aware of that.
of how they can benefit from that and so that outreach is very important.
The other dimension to touch on in terms of um legislative attention um and is this question about
gosh its its costly to send one child to you know to get a degree or advanced degree uh in the country
there's a spot light on that certainly concerned about the cost of higher education in this state
um referencing back to Mark's talk so one of the things that we're thinking about at OU among the different things
that drive up costs are certainly the costs of text books so how can we use Open Access resources in a way that the faculty can
bundle that up and drive down the cost of textbooks by using uh Open Access materials.
I'm delighted to report to you um that within the last month or so that I received unsolicited
um funding uh from the university to create a new position in the library supporting open educational resources um this is enormous.
Number one it provides us with an opportunity to really bring things to the faculty's attention that they were unaware of just huge.
Secondly it puts the library right at the center where it needs to be in terms of where this whole dialogue is going as a real enabler
partnering with faculty members faculty excellence etcetera in ways that I believe truly will be transformative.
So I think there are things that we can do that are very proactive,
and it's all of these things together it's not any one it's all of these together that
that start to build a picture that will capture legislative attention.
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As an OU faculty member, I would like to mention one other driver that I haven't heard mentioned but would be a powerful incentive for people to want to contribute.
Particularly at OU where it is difficult to read my colleagues work on other campuses due to the fact that our libraries are set up the way
that they are in an Open Access environment it would be so much more easy for me to access that information
and work collaboratively without having to go through interlibrary loan which of course is very well done here
I have no complaints but it would be a better world for collaboration if we were moving in this environment.
I would just add to that that in a world of increasing emphasis on interdisciplinary research uh the ability to read your colleagues
information publications from right across the campus is more and more important and even that can be limiting sometimes difficult.
I've certainly had the opportunity to um to speak with faculty members both at OU uh Norman
who scratch their heads and say it's not just the people in Oklahoma City
that are interesting in health science literature how do I get access to that and vice versa.
Um our colleagues at OU Tulsa are saying we don't have a large budget how do we take advantage of things
and so we've got to think about that question really as the hat I'm trying to wear is that's an OU enterprise um challenge
to take that one step further and stand back as we think about competitiveness in the state
and the cost of education etcetera and start to say again as we build more connective fiber and tissue between our institutions
how can we how can we leverage this problem in a way where some of it is uh heavy lifting is done at OU
some other parts of the heavy lifting are done at OSU uh other parts perhaps at the University of Tulsa.
I think there's lots of opportunity for us to say
we may not have a gigantic work force, but there's other ways to try to achieve that end.
Pat Weaver Meyers at Samuel Roberts Noble Foundation and as you organize this particularly with respect to data management
I hope you'll think about the research institutes in the state MLRF and Samuel Roberts Noble Foundation Research Institute
because their facing all of the same problems and collaborating with them could potentially
be a resource that um is not only you know a potential avenue for monies that are a result of collaborations
but also uh you know just the synergy of it can come from that and so I hope you will be knocking on our door and I certainly will go down there and uh raise the roof a little bit.
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Hi I'm Breanne I am a [inaudible] student myself as is this whole table um I was wondering,
so you have these digital online repositories um usually university specific if I go to the OU catalogue
I'm not going to be able to see what is contained in the Kansas digital repository
am I right in that? It just seems that Open Access is only access if you're in the right place to an extent.
Uh yes and no. uh yes in the sense that uh today actually going to the OU site I'm not sure
if you looked at the catalogue that would get a kind of comprehensive picture of all the resources that we have
least a seamlessly as might be desired so step one in my mind and is um at the institutional level
and improving the discovery layer that we have, so it's more integrated you shouldn't have to think about
do I need to go to the catalogue do I need to go to the IR where do I need to go?
That is first observation we ought to be able to ripple that out and say I want to look across Oklahoma um,
and there are a number of different ways than to federate far beyond that other repositories and there are a number of repositories
that have sprung up around the country, but the main specific
as well as trying to cover a broader swath of essentially harvesting repositories,
so you've got a site to go to. Easiest solution in many ways is you just expose what you're doing to Google,
and the other search engines and so people are able to get there from a variety of different paths.
Uh so having said that where we need to be I think is fairly obvious there's some work that needs to be done to get us there.
Uh there will continue to be a lot of work that's required in terms of not just sort of dropping things into an IR
but increasingly there will be higher and higher value if you will in terms of actually how that materials
described so that it is really finable and the skills that we have as a profession in terms of how
we illuminate those materials how we make them discoverable uh beyond just a simple you know author keyword etcetera
I think will become increasingly visible and valuable over time.
That's especially true when it comes to data um trying to discover today who has what questions
and some of the issues that Calvin raised trying to do that as a researcher, I've talked to any number of um people in institutions
who've said I simply gave up and decided to go out and collect I know somebody has done this work somewhere,
and I know that data set exists somewhere, but it's a lot easier just to start all over from scratch and redo it because I can't find what i need.
We as a profession we have got to step into that space uh and begin to attack that problem.
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So are you maybe thinking about um encouraging researchers to deposit large datasets here in Oklahoma
we know there are large datasets here in Oklahoma that uh are out there, but they're not accessible into an institutional repository
or an Oklahoma wide repository to make them accessible?
Uh I don't know that we're at the point of saying we've made a decision to do that. I think
where where we are is a little bit up stream or quite a bit up stream in terms of saying we're beginning discussions
to try to get our arms around some of the questions related to
what does that mean and what does it take to support that and in which cases is it most appropriate or not um
so I've kind of stepped back and said as we're asking those questions one of the things that I believe we need to do
is and Calvin in his own way is uh is very gently challenged me and my organization team task force that I put
together uh to to begin to look at the question of what are the data sets around OU that we need to get our arms around can we just identify them never mind
where they get to deposited etcetera we don't even know what's out there in the landscape,
so that is kind of a first step. I'll call that building registries we need to have registries of what exists
what are the characteristics of what exists once we do that then we're able to much more intelligently
have a discussion about where does it need to go for long term storage how is that done
who has charge of it what are their rights etcetera etcetera.
No, you are absolutely right well said well said.
Um my question is uh I know that there are actually data repositories out there that are discipline specific that are nation wide available, so
I think also we shouldn't just be limiting it to Oklahoma I mean I think there are so nationwide initiatives
that we can are we looking to try and join some of those organizations like be much more involved in Open Access week this next go round and all these other things?
[Pause]
Um I think I'm hearing two questions here one about Open Access week... I'd love for us to um really engage around I think there's two dimensions
um that that touches on the first is as I think we've talked about, and we need to get engaged with faculty
and how do we do that. That's probably a continuing process but there is the next generation which are the students and quite frankly
you know this is a no brainer for most of them and I think that point was well made yesterday um
but a number of other institutions have had great success in terms of kind of saying hey we're going to have an event around
how to making this uh well known uh for students. One of my passions frankly is, and I don't mean to um
I don't mean for this to come out negatively um, but we graduate across the united states
today we graduate a large swath of graduate students who go out into the world either in research universities
or in the corporate sector who know a heck of a lot about their particular discipline
and no nothing about what their rights are as an author and that's simply wrong.
So an OA week that begins to open up some of those questions for somebody at the very beginning of their dissertation process
to have to think through that as opposed to the very last step I'm dropping it in IR
here's my thesis oh my gosh what's going to happen to it will begin to make a world of difference.
Part of being educated part of being informed today has to be building not just an understanding about
what my domain is but how I am going to interact with the world um as a creator as an author
and the kind of rights that I have those kinds of things would be terrific to occur campus wide or across the state um,
so that's one dimension. I think the other dimension is is this faculty. The second question I think you're asking was a little bit about
data repositories you might have to restate it in a different way.
[Inaudible]
So I am going to ask my colleagues to jump in but let me be clear I don't believe anyone is proposing or conceptualizing
in any way that we're going to um in some ways duplicate at a smaller level what occurs in fields where there are established
practices and here's a resource etcetera it's more the question of we've got activity going on at our universities
that don't find their way into these more established frameworks and so how to we support that how do we preserve that
how do we encourage that and you see that especially in the humanities uh in part because what you have are incidents of people
working um in far smaller groups if not signally and so they just they don't have the resources, but it extends throughout all of the sciences and the health sciences.
I think I think when we talk about Oklahoma acentric uh you know we're talking about the work that goes on in Oklahoma
in scholarly endeavors getting that out for the world to see uh and if we put that in a repository
and you know some other part of the world that's fine as long as it gets the work out there for people
to see it and recognize it um certainly um there's no point in reinventing the wheel um resources being limiting as they usually are obviously
if we have people that can invent a better mouse trap you know that's part of the equation too
um you know there are national or international repositories out there uh that we can all agree have the correct characteristics
and the right I mean I would be all for um using that uh as long as it gets the work out there.
Yeah I think the only thing I would add is from the point of view of OU and research and data
uh I think a lot of the work that we're doing that finds its way in terms of the data set into a larger scale say repositories because the project is so large
like the Dzero for the atlas detector or [inaudible] there's a big repository there or gen bank of things like that
for genetics research where there is sort of a requirement maybe to put your results there in terms of data,
but I don't know too many people that are on campus that actually proactively go seek out some large repository uh that exists out there somewhere
and say I want to put this out there. It is more I've got it on my thumb drive,
or I've got it on my work station here and really nobody knows
it's there but me and the organization that funded it but yet it's incredibly valuable.
Rick said we sort of have to inventory that and then also really understand uh the folks that generate data
but in fact in a lot of cases it's now it's going to be everybody whether its humanities
or people who are generating massive amounts of digital data through observations or whatever.
Um that's the thing that's really daunting about this that that everybody is in this data world,
and uh a lot of folks don't see themselves as being in it and maybe don't want to be in it but are going to have to be,
so I think as Jerry and Rick said I think there is a balance here that if somebody has a repository out there
and I don't know NSF may create a repository I have no idea,
but they may say for all NSF funded research you have to put the data there now if that happens
it sort of is a defining moment you could put it other places, but it's got to go there first
I don't know if that's the case, so that don't take that as something NSF is going to do.
NIH has you know it's [inaudible] central that you have to put your journal article, and I think we will probably see something like that come out of the OSTP memo.
Data oh wow that's a whole different ball game, and I think places like Yahoo Google and amazon they are looking at this space and
saying what's the business case you know the fact that we had a discussion in the early meeting earlier this week really the way
that those companies survive Google search its all an advertising revenue so is there a model for getting advertising
revenues regard to research and scholarly data in publications if there is nobody seems to have found it yet,
but there may be a model out there sort of like um well there were various analogies given, but everybody pays a little bit to get a piece of a resource
you know and but that I think is the big thing right now is what's the financial model going to look like?
How are we going to support this? Um and there's no sense really of what is going to emerge as a meaningful model
moving forward, but I agree with you those things are out there and if they are maybe we should use them,
but I also think that institutionally part of it may be pride, but part of it is because of the ability to uh
to have the quality control that we need and maybe the assistance having an institutional repository
for things that are specifically unique to OU and OSU and that's probably what we are going to see happen [inaudible]
[pause]
Again is this on? Can you hear me? Okay it was a very stimulating couple of days all of the uh presentations we heard and Calvin
I think your presentation on data was so spot on all of the questions you asked about uh
what does it mean when we are talking about data? What does it mean when we are talking about curation
and do we have to save every piece of data or how do we make those selections very enlightening.
Um I think uh what I will take away from this conference is a road map, and I think Lorraine and people at Kansas really spelled out
a very clear road map of how we would get this done at OSU in terms of finding faculty advocates
and finding someone to you know create a position that would be working full time on building that support across campus that is really key.
Having uh a policy adopted across the campus is is key um however long it takes I think we need to back
and look at our institutional copyright policy uh we do that every several years anyway uh,
and I know that at OSU if I remember the latest version it uh basically relinquishes the universities
right in the faculty members authorship or work and we probably need to reeducate ourselves and our faculty
about the copyright the bundled rights unbundling them reserving some of the rights sharing of rights so that the university
can share uh with the faculty member the preservation rights all of those are very key, so we need to do work in that area.
The institutional repository you know we have a very good start on that it's something that we are always looking at
The institutional repository you know we have a very good start on that it's something that we are always looking at
and uh how to encourage faculty to put their materials into that IR is key is important,
and I think we've gotten some very good ideas from Mark Greenburg about how you can sell the value of the institutional repository,
so I'm very excited about that. But what I'm really very grateful for and I think that will help us to accomplish
this get us down that path that road is the collaboration the cooperation that think will go forward from this between OU and OSU
particularly our libraries um the fact Jerry and I talked about developing those policies the uh Open Access policies
and things if we know the that OU is also working on their policy and if we can work in parallel
and perhaps in cooperation that will be a big selling point on our campus.
Uh we're always asked well what are they doing at OU and we can say well we know what they are doing
and they are going down this same thing the same path that we are and maybe we can get everybody together
and can talk about that jointly. I'm very excited I think there's a lot of things uh
Rick that you're stirring up down here, and I think that we're ready to ride along with you on that.
Thank you um so with that I'd first like to thank our speakers Calvin and Jerry
I really appreciate your message which is one we all need to take to heart um
and part of the message that I heard is that is a real call for collaboration a real call to work together and take us forward.
I also want to thank very publicly um the people behind the scenes who made this conference happen my conference committee Jody Foot,
who's the the young [inaudible] chair and the librarian of the geology library here at OU.
Joanne [inaudible] who's history of science library and curator, Jaime Turner who is a serials and Eresources librarian thank you for your support.
The technology support which um thankfully many things can go wrong and thankfully it didn't uh because we had
Fred Reese here on the spot every moment Fred thank you. [clapping]
And a very special thank you and acknowledgement for our conference coordinator Sarah Robbins who's the director of public relations and strategic initiatives
my team was the maven behind the scenes that pulled the strings that made everything happen getting the speakers here getting me to pay attention
to the agenda getting the hotel staff on the spot uh and doing amazing magic Sarah thank you. [clapping]
So as, we leave I want to leave you with a challenge I honestly believe that a few people can make a difference in any are that you think about
but since we're focused on Open Access it was a few people actually three people um way back in '99 that sort of got fed up
that nothing was occurring so [inaudible] and myself sat down and issued a call which resulted in the Open Archives Initiative
so that we could begin to exchange data and now is used far beyond the library community and is actually a protocol as simple as it is um used in fields all over.
A few more of us actually four of us got fed up that nothing was occurring in Europe at the time back in 2003
and created the Berlin conference which created the Berlin Declaration in Open Access for science and humanities materials
that sprung Europe far in front of the US and we still haven't caught up. Four people, so I want to challenge every single person in this room
whether faculty member, professor, librarian, interested party, and our soon to be uh colleagues from [inaudible]
I want to challenge each and every one of you to leave this conference and have one conversation about Open Access with someone
you would not have talked about this with this prior to this this event.
I want to ask you to stretch yourselves into a space where you have that conversation in a way that you'll open up a door
both for your own learning as well as for the individual that you talked with.
If you're not comfortable that I've got enough background there's ample resources out there.
Start at the Sparc site and there's many colleagues in the room here we can all learn and grow, but we've got to take
that first step so please join me in continuing to change this world in front of us because the bottom line is it matters.
It matters for the kids who are here trying to get an education it matters for the kids in the third world who are trying to change the world as well
it matter for the planet that we live on faced with things like global warming, energy crisis and so forth it matters.
It's fundamentally what we're about so thank you for joining this conference
um I it's been wonderful and I hope you'll take something away from this and take that next step.
[Clapping]