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SCOTT SHAFER.
>>> NEXT ON "KQED NEWSROOM,"
WHERE THERE'S SMOKE, THERE'S
VAPOR.
THE DEBATE OVER E-CIGARETTES
HEATS UP.
>> WHEN YOU INHALE IT, A LITTLE
LIGHT GOES ON AS IF IT'S LIT.
>> HYDROGEN CARS GET A BOOST IN
CALIFORNIA, BUT ARE THERE ENOUGH
STATIONS TO FUEL THEM?
>> I DRIVE A VERY RARE CAR.
THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL ON LEASE
HERE IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA.
>> PLUS, TELLING THE STORIES OF
COMMUNITIES THROUGH SKETCHES.
ACCLAIMED ARTIST WENDY
MacNAUGHTON WITH HER TALES OF
THE CITY.
GOOD EVENING.
WELCOME TO "KQED NEWSROOM."
I'M THUY VU.
SMOKING ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES
COULD SOON BE ILLEGAL IN MOST
PUBLIC PLACES IN SAN FRANCISCO.
>> BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT TO SHOW I HAD A BANANA
FLAVORED ONE. .UL
HERE'S A PEACH FLAVORED ONE.
BUT I KNOW THAT OTHER FLAVORS
FROM BUBBLE GUM, GUMMY BEARS,
AND OTHER FLAVORS ARE NOT
TARGETED AT ELDERS.
THEY'RE TARGETED AT TEENS AND
YOUTH.
>> THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
VOTED UNANIMOUSLY THIS WEEK TO
INCLUDE E-CIGARETTES IN THE
CITY'S STRICT ANTI-SMOKING LAWS.
A SIMILAR MEASURE IS BEING
CONSIDERED IN SANTA CLARA COUNTY
NEXT WEEK.
E-CIGARETTES ARE GETTING
POPULARITY ESPECIALLY AMONG
TEENS PROVIDING NICOTINE BUT
INSTEAD OF PRODUCING SMOKE, THEY
EMIT A VAPOR.
SUPPORTERS SAY THEY OFFER
SMOKERS A LESS HARMFUL
ALTERNATIVE.
OPPONENTS CONTEND E
CIGARETTEMAKERS ARE TARGETING
YOUNG PEOPLE THROUGH MARKETING
JOINING ME NOW FOR A DISCUSSION
ABOUT E-CIGARETTES ARE MICHAEL
MULLINS, FOUNDER AND CEO OF
DIGITAL CIGGZ, RACHEL GRANA AT
UCSF, AND MARISA LAGOS, "SAN
FRANCISCO CHRONICLE" REPORTER.
HOW DO THESE CIGARETTES WORK AND
WHY DO LAWMAKERS FEEL A NEED TO
REGULATE THEM AT THIS TIME?
>> THESE ARE LITTLE TUBES,
MICHAEL WILL SHOW YOU ONE LATER,
THAT HAVE A CARTRIDGE IN THEM
THAT INCLUDES NICOTINE AND SOME
OTHER CHEMICALS.
WHEN YOU INHALE THEM, IT IS LIT
UP OR I'M SORRY, HEATED UP.
NOT AS HOT ASSAY A COMBUSTIBLE
CIGARETTE BUT ENOUGH TO THE EMIT
THIS VAPOR OR AEROSOL AS
RESEARCHERS ARE CALLING THEM
NOW.
AND ESSENTIALLY, THE BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS SAID WE'RE SEEING
USE OF THESE EXPLODE AMONG ALL
SORT OF LEVELS, AND THEY WANTED
TO BASICALLY PROTECT PEOPLE,
ERIC MARR THE SPONSOR SAYS HE
STILL FEELS THEY'RE POLLUTING
OTHER PEOPLE'S SPACE WAS
DANGEROUS CHEMICALS AND THEY
REALLY -- CITIES AROUND THE
NATION AND COUNTIES HAVE POINTED
TO THE FDA'S LACK OF REGULATION
OF THESE AS SORT OF A REASON TO
STEP IN.
ALTHOUGH ARGUABLY, YOU KNOW, THE
CITY MIGHT BE DOING THIS
REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE FDA SAID
BECAUSE OUR SMOKING LAWS
SUPERCEDE ANY SORT OF NATIONAL
LAWS.
>> SO THESE E-CIGARETTES ARE
ESSENTIALLY PRETTY NEW, AROUND
FOR ONLY THE ABOUT SEVEN YEARS.
RACHEL, YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES
AT UCSF DID A STUDY ON THE
MARKETING OF THESE DEVICES.
WHAT WERE YOUR KEY FINDINGS?
>> WE FOUND THAT THE PRODUCTS WE
DID AN ANALYSIS OF THE ONLINE
WEBSITE MARKETING.
AND WE FOUND THAT THE PRODUCTS
ARE BEING MARKETED IN WAYS THAT
MIGHT APPEAL TO KIDS.
THEY'RE BEING MARKETED WITH
FRUIT, CANDY AND EVEN ALCOHOL
FLAVORS.
AND THERE'S ALSO MARKETING THAT
FEATURES CELEBRITIES.
INCLUDING ON TELEVISION.
AND TELEVISION HAS BEEN CLOSED
TO TOBACCO CIGARETTES SINCE
ABOUT THE 1970s.
SO PEOPLE MIGHT BE SEEING
SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE
SMOKING ADVERTISED ON TELEVISION
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THEIR
LIVES.
>> WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF THIS
MARKETING, DO YOU THINK, AMONG
YOUNG PEOPLE?
>> I THINK IT COULD BE APPEALING
TO YOUNG PEOPLE.
AND WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT DATA
FROM THE CDC SHOWS THAT E
CIGARETTE USE AMONG YOUTH HAS
ALSO RISEN ARE RAPIDLY FROM 2011
TO 2012, IT DOUBLED.
THAT'S VERY CONCERNING.
>> I THINK THE SAME CDC STUDY
FOUND ONE IN FIVE MIDDLE
SCHOOLERS WHO TRIED E-CIGARETTES
SAY THEY HAD NEVER TRIED A
CIGARETTE BEFORE.
MICHAEL MULLINS, YOU OWN THREE
STORESES IN SAN RAFAEL AND SANTA
ROSA THAT SELL THE DEVICES.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE VARIOUS
ARGUMENTS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE
PRODUCTS THAT YOU SELL?
>> WELL, THE SAME KIND OF
ARGUMENTS AND CONCERNS HAVE BEEN
GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME
NOW.
ONE OF THE ONES I HEAR OVER AND
OVER IS THE FLAVORS.
YOU KNOW, FLAVORED, THEY GOT RID
OF FLAVORED CIGARETTES.
SO YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE.
BUT ONE THING THAT PEOPLE SEEM
TO FORGET IS THAT I'M AN ADULT.
YOU KNOW, I'M IN MY LATE 30s.
I LIKE FLAVORS, TOO.
I LIKE CHOCOLATE.
AND I LIKE PEACH AND I LIKE ALL
THOSE FLAVORS, TOO.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT BECAUSE
YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S
SOME REGULATION THAT NEEDS TO
HAPPEN.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOME GOOD
MANUFACTURING PRACTICES THAT
NEED TO START HAPPENING, AND I
BELIEVE THAT ROLLING THESE KIND
OF PRODUCTS IN WITH TOBACCO
RULES AND REGULATIONS IS NOT THE
ANSWER.
I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A
CLASSIFICATION ITSELF FOR THIS
PRODUCT RATHER THAN JUST A
TOBACCO PRODUCT.
>> I THINK ON THE CITY LEVEL, IT
WAS SORT OF AN ISSUE OF
EXPEDIENCY.
THE CITY WANTS TO TREAT THESE
LIKE TOBACCO PRODUCTS BECAUSE
IT'S EASIER BECAUSE THEY CAN
SAY, DON'T SMOKE THESE WHERE YOU
CAN'T SMOKE CIGARETTES.
SAN FRANCISCO, QUITE FRANKLY,
IT'S EASIER TO SAY WHERE YOU'RE
ALLOWED TO SMOKE THAN WHERE YOU
AREN'T.
IN YOUR OWN HOME AND CURBSIDE
ARE THE ONLY PLACES THAT ARE
REALLY LEGAL.
YOU CAN'T SMOKE IN PARKS, AT BUS
STOPS, YOU CAN'T SMOKE IN PUBLIC
BUILDINGS AND BUSINESSES.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THE BOARD
OF SUPS REALLY STUCK THEIR TONE
TO THE DEBATE OR IS THIS A
TOBACCO PRODUCT.
I DO THINK THEY DEFINITELY
TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE ISSUE OF
KID USE AND THE FACT THEY SENT
SOME NEWS OUT BEFORE THE VOTE
AND SAID IT WAS EASY TO BUY
THESE.
>> RACHEL, IS THERE ANY CREDIBLE
EVIDENCE THERE ARE HARMFUL
TOXINS AND CHEMICALS IN E
CIGARETTES?
>> BECAUSE THE PRODUCT IS
UNREGULATED, THERE'S NOT A
PUBLIC ACCOUNTING OF EXACTLY
WHAT'S IN THE PRODUCT.
SO USERS MAY BE EXPOSED TO
THINGS THEY'RE NOT AWARE THAT
THEY'RE GETTING.
WHAT WE DO NOPE FROM RESEARCH
THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CONDUCTED TO
DATE ON THE E CIGARETTE LIQUID
AND THE AEROSOL IS THAT THERE
ARE SOME TOXINS FOUND IN THE
VAPOR AND ALSO NICOTINE
EXCUSE ME, AEROSOL AND ALSO
NICOTINE.
SO PEOPLE EXPOSED TO THAT MAY BE
EXPOSED TO THOSE TOXINS AND
NICOTINE SO A LOT OF THE
PRODUCTS.
>> IN THE SAMPLES THAT YOU
SAMPLED.
>> NOT MYSELF BUT OTHER
RESEARCHERS HAVE CONDUCTED
ANALYSES OF CROSS BRANDS, YEAH.
>> CORRECT.
>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS,AL.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE HEALTH
CONCERNS AND CONCERNS ABOUT
MARKETING TO YOUNG PEOPLE.
ARE THERE BENEFICIAL USES OF E
CIGARETTES?
I MEAN, ARE THEY -- DO THEY
GREATLY REDUCE THE RISK OF
TOBACCO RELATED DEATHS AMONG
SMOKERS OF REGULAR CIGARETTES IF
THEY WOULD SWITCH TO THIS AS AN
ALTERNATIVE?
>> I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT WITHOUT
NET SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE IF YOU
WERE TO PUT 20 PEOPLE IN A ROOM
AND HAVE THEM SMOKE CIGARETTES
FOR 60 YEARS AND PUT 20 PEOPLE
IN ANOTHER ROOM AND HAVE THEM
USE E CIGARETTES FOR 20 YEARS,
THAT THE PEOPLE SMOKING
CIGARETTES WOULD PROBABLY PASS
AWAY OR HAVE HEALTH CONCERNS.
IT'S NOT A CURE-ALL.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A SMOKING
CESSATION DEVICE.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S A LESSER OF
TWO -- MUCH LESSER OF TWO EVILS.
>> THE FOLKS AT UC SUBPOENA F
WOULD SAY THAT.
STAN TOLD ME THESE ARE .1 AS BAD
AS CIGARETTES.
WE THINK THEY'RE TERRIBLE SO
BEING .1 LESS ISN'T GOOD.
I KNOW PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO USE
THEM TO HELP QUIT AND ENDED UP
SORT OF USING THEM IN SCENARIOS
WHERE IT WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO
SMOKE A COMBUSTIBLE CIGARETTE.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE
REASONS THAT A LOT OF THE
MANUFACTURERS ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT THESE REGULATIONS IS THAT
THEY HAVE BEEN MARKETING THEM AS
A SORT OF WAY AROUND
ANTI-SMOKING LAWS, RIGHT?
YOU CAN LIGHT UP IN AN OFFICE.
YOU CAN LIGHT UP, YOU KNOW, AT A
CLUB, WHEREVER.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE
OF THE REASONS THAT IS AND OTHER
PLACES WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF
INDUSTRY PUSHBACK.
>> I'M SORRY.
>> GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
>> THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN
CONCERNS IS THAT ALSO ONE OF THE
CONCLUSIONS OF THE ANALYSIS OF
THE MARKETING THAT I FOUND IS
THAT THEY'RE EXPLICITLY MARKETED
TO GET AROUND SMOKE-FREE LAWS
AND AS A CONVENIENCE OR JUST
LIKE SMOKING BUT WITHOUT THE
NEGATIVES.
SO WHERE IT IS CONCERNING IS
THAT IN THE -- IN THE CROSS
SECTIONAL STUDIES WHICH MEANS
WHEN YOU LOOK WHO'S USING E
CIGARETTES, MOST USE IS AMONG
CURRENT SMOKERS.
THAT REPRESENTS WHAT WE CALL
DUAL USE.
THEY'RE USING E GUARETHS AND
REGULAR CIGARETTES.
A CONCERN IS THEY MIGHT KEEP
SMOKING AND NOT MAKE QUITTING
CIGARETTES A LONG-TERM AND SHORT
TERM GOAL WHICH IS WHAT YOU
WOULD SAVE YOU FROM THE DEATH
AND DISEASE.
THE GOAL SHOULD IT BE TO QUIT
ALL TOE PACK COULD USE
CIGARETTES AND DUAL USE OF BOTH
PRODUCTS IS A CONCERN.
>> IT'S A BIG MARKET, $2 BILLION
IN SALES LAST YEAR AND SOME
ANALYSTS HAVE SAID IT COULD
EVENTUALLY EXCEED THE $80
BILLION TOBACCO MARKET.
CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT A LOT
OF LAWMAKERS ARE WATCHING.
THE SAN FRANCISCO BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS HOLDS ITS SECOND
VOTE NEXT WEEK AND IT IS
EXPECTED TO BE SIGNED INTO LAW.
THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US, MA
RIS SASS LAGOS, RACHEL GRANA AND
MICHAEL MULLINS.
AFTER MORE THAN A DECADE OF
PUTTERING LONG, HYDROGEN POWERED
VEHICLES MAY SOON BE KICKING OFF
IN CALIFORNIA.
THEY EMIT ONLY WATER VAPOR FROM
THE TAIL PIPE.
GOVERNOR JERRY BROWN RECENTLY
SIGNED LEGISLATION TO FUND MORE
HYDROGEN REFUELING STATIONS AND
MANUFACTURERS LIKE TOYOTA ARE
COMING OUT WITH NEW CAR MOD DID
HES.
STILL THE VEHICLES HAVE A LOT OF
CATCHING UP TO DO WITH OTHER
ALTERNATIVE CARS ALREADY ON THE
ROAD.
SCOTT SHAFER NARRATES OUR STORY.
>> LIKE MOST PEOPLE, BILL
HOLLOWAY COMMUTES TO WORK,
DRIVING 75 MILES FROM HIS HOME
IN ALAMEDA, CALIFORNIA.
BUT THEN AGAIN, MOST PEOPLE
DON'T MAKE THEIR COMMUTE IN A
HYDROGEN FUEL CELL VEHICLE.
>> I DRIVE A VERY RARE CAR.
THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL ON LEASE
HERE IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA.
>> THIS RARE CAR USES HYDROGEN
INSTEAD OF GASOLINE AND EMITS
ONLY WATER VAPOR INSTEAD OF
HARMFUL POLLUTION.
>> THE ECONOMY OF THIS MERCEDES
IS GREAT.
I AVERAGE 58 MILES PER KILOGRAM
OF HYDROGEN, THE SAME AS 58
MILES IN GAS.
I PICKED THE HYDROGEN CAR
BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO DRIVE ONE
OF THE EARLY MODELS AND I'M KIND
OF A GEEK.
>> CARMAKERS HAVE SPENT MORE
THAN A DECADE AND INVESTED
BILLIONS TO DEVELOP THE
TECHNOLOGY.
CATHERINE DUNWOODY, EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE CALIFORNIA FUEL
CELL PARTNERSHIP, THINKS THAT
INVESTMENT IS ABOUT TO PAY OFF.
>> HAVING BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS
NOW FOR 15 YEARS AND SEEING THE
EVOLUTION OF THE TECHNOLOGY, YOU
KNOW, THESE GUYS ARE SERIOUS.
THEY REALLY SEE THE FUEL CELL
VEHICLE AS THE FUTURE OF
AUTOMOTIVE TECHNOLOGY.
>> IN 2014, HYUNDAI WILL RELEASE
A NEW FUEL CELL SUV IN
CALIFORNIA.
FOLLOWED BY NEW MODELS FROM
TOYOTA AND HONDA IN 2015.
BUT EVEN WITH THE ROLLOUT OF
THESE NEW HYDROGEN CARS CAN,
DRIVERS MAY HIT A ROADBLOCK WHEN
IT'S TIME TO REFUEL.
>> MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT ABOUT
THIS FUEL CELL CAR AND IN
GENERAL IS THERE'S NOWHERE TO
FILL THEM UP.
>> FOR NOW, THERE'S JUST ONE
PLACE HE CAN GO TO REFUEL HIS
CAR IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA.
AT THIS STATION IN EMERYVILLE
OWNED AND OPERATED BY AC
TRANSIT.
12 OF ITS PUBLIC BUSES RUN ON
HYDROGEN.
AT THE HYDROGEN PUMP, FILLING UP
IS SIMILAR TO FILLING UP AT A
REGULAR GAS STATION.
>> IT ONLY TAKES FOUR OR FIVE
MINUTES TO FILL THE SAME AS A
REGULAR GASOLINE CAR.
I HAD TO MAKE NO ADJUSTMENTS AT
ALL.
>> ON A PER MILE BASIS, IT COSTS
ABOUT AS MUCH AS GASOLINE AND
LIKE GASOLINE, HYDROGEN IS
FLAMMABLE BUT DISPERSES QUICKLY
IF IT LEAKS BECAUSE IT'S LIGHTER
THAN AIR.
>> I NEVER WORRIED ABOUT THE
SAFETY OF THE HYDROGEN.
THE HYDROGEN THANKS ARE BURIED
IN THE MIDDLE IN THE SAFEST
PLACE IN THE CAR.
>> THE THANKS ALSO STORE
HYDROGEN AT HIGH PRESSURE, A
RECENT INNOVATION THAT HAS
DOUBLED THE DRIVING RANGE OF THE
CARS SAYS TED LIPMAN DIRECTOR OF
THE SUSTAINABILITY RESEARCH
CENTER.
>> WHAT'S VERY DIFFERENT NOW IS
WE'RE ABLE TO STORE A LOT MOF
HYDROGEN ON THE VEHICLE BECAUSE
WE'VE GONE TO HIGHER STORAGE
PRESSURES, 250 OR EVEN 300
MILES.
>> MOST BATTERY ELECTRIC CARS
CAN ONLY TRAVEL 80 OR SO MILES
BEFORE NEEDING RECHARGED.
A FUEL CELL CAR ALSO NEEDS
ELECTRICITY TO POWER THE MOTOR
BUT HERE IT'S MADE ON BOARD FROM
HYDROGEN.
>> HERE IS A FUEL CELL STACK
VERY SIMILAR TO THE TYPE YOU
WOULD SEE IN A FUEL CELL POWERED
CAR.
EACH CELL HAS A SPECIAL MEMBRANE
MATERIAL IN THE MIDDLE THAT
SPLITS THE HYDROGEN MOLECULES
INTO PROTONS AND ELECTRONS.
THE PROTONS ARE NOW IONS THAT
CAN GO THROUGH THIS MATERIAL BUT
THE ELECTRONS CANNOT.
>> SO THE ELECTRONS GO AROUND
THE MEMBRANE AND GENERATE
ELECTRICITY.
OXYGEN BINDS WITH THE ELECTRONS
AND IONS TO PRODUCE WATER AND
HEAT, THE ONLY EMISSIONS.
BUT LIKE ELECTRIC CARS, FUEL
CELL CARS STILL NEED A FUEL
SOURCE.
>> HYDROGEN FUEL CELLS VEHICLES
CAN BE ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES.
THE ONLY WAY IS TO USE A
RENEWABLE SOURCE FOR THE
HYDROGEN.
THAT COULD BE SOLAR POWER OR
WIND POWER.
>> STILL MOST HYDROGEN GENERATED
IN THE U.S. IS WITH METHANE, A
NATURAL GAS.
>> EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SOME CO2
PRODUCED FROM THAT PROCESS, IT'S
STILL ABOUT 50% LESS THAN
BURNING GASOLINE IN THE
COMBUSTION ENGINE.
>> IN OCTOBER 2013, CALIFORNIA,
OREGON IS, NEW YORK, AND FIVE
OTHER STATES PLEDGED TO PUT MORE
THAN 3 MILLION ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLES ON THEIR ROADS BY 2025.
WITH THE NATION'S LARGEST CAR
MARKET AND ITS TOUGH AIR QUALITY
STANDARDS, CALIFORNIA IS
CRITICAL TO THE SUCCESS OF FUEL
CELL CARS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE
THE CARS REQUIRE TO TAKE OFF.
>> I CAN'T GO ON A LONG TRIP.
IF THEY HAD MORE
FUELINGIZATIONS, THEY WOULD HAVE
MORE CARS THEY COULD SELL.
IF THERE WERE MORE CARS, THEY
WOULD HAVE MORE FUELING
STATIONS.
WE HAVE A CHICKEN AND EGG
PROBLEM.
>> SO IN 2013, GOVERNOR JERRY
BROWN SIGNED A NEW LAW THAT
PROVIDES $20 MILLION A YEAR TO
BUILD AT LEAST 100 HYDROGEN
REFUELING STATIONS IN CALIFORNIA
BY 2024.
19 NEW STATIONS ARE ALREADY IN
DEVELOPMENT.
>> THE STATE FUNDING HELPS
OFFSET THE RISK TO THESE SMALL
AND MEDIUM SIZED BUSINESSES TO
MAKE THIS INVESTMENT TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH HYDROGEN FUEL
TECHNOLOGY.
>> BUT JAMES SWEENEY, A Aiw= STANFORD
UNIVERSITY EXPERT ON ENERGY
POLICY QUESTIONS THE USE OF
PUBLIC DOLLARS TO HELP BUILD
HYDROGEN STATIONS.
>> THE STATE WANTS TO BUILD
HYDROGEN FUELING INFRASTRUCTURE
WITH NO KNOWLEDGE AS TO WHETHER
THERE'S GOING TO BE A
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF VEHICLES#ç
THAT WILL USE THOSE.
IT'S A RECIPE FOR RISKING
TAXPAYER FUNDS FOR WHAT MAY BE A
TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY.
>> THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME
CALIFORNIA HAS TRIED TO PROMOTE
A VISION OF A HYDROGEN HIGHWAY.
>> ALL ACROSS OUR HIGHWAY
SYSTEM, HUNDREDS OF HYDROGEN
FUELING STATIONS WILL ARE BUILT.
>> ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER'S PLAN
RELIED ON PRIVATE INVESTORS TO
BUILD UP TO 100 STATIONS BY
2010, BUT THE PLAN FAILED.
>> I THINK THE ORIGINAL PLAN
TIMING WAS AMBITIOUS AND I THINK
THAT THE CARS REALLY HAVE COME
SO FAR SINCE THE 2004 PLAN WAS
ESTABLISHED.
>> EVEN SO, WILL DRIVERS CAN
CHOOSE HYDROGEN WHEN ELECTRIC
CARS AND OTHER CLEAN VEHICLES
ARE ALREADY ON THE ROAD?
>> REALLY DRIVES JUST LIKE IN HE
OTHER CAR.
GAS PEDAL AND A BRAKE.
THERE'S AN EMERGENCY BRAKE IF
YOU NEED IT.
>> HAVE FUN.
>> WHEN PEOPLE GET TO TEST
DRIVES THE CARS,
THEY'LL.IMPRESSED BY THE
PERFORMANCE HOW SIMILAR THEY ARE
TO CONVENTIONAL VEHICLES.
>> WHILE DRIVING THEM MAY BE
EASYa2$ IS, BOTH ADVOCATES AND
CARMAKERS KNOW THEIR SUCCESS
DEPENDS ON BUILDING MORE
REFUELING STATIONS SOON.
>>ING IF SAN FRANCISCO COULD
TALK, WHAT WOULD IT SAY?
THAT'S THE QUESTION AT THE HEART
OF A NEW ILLUSTRATED GUIDE BY
ARTIST WENDY MacNAUGHTON CALLED
"MEANWHILE IN SAN FRANCISCO, THE
CITY IN ITS OWN WORDS."
SHE HAS BEEN SKETCHING,
OBSERVING AND INFORMALLY
INTERVIEW BAY AREA RESIDENTS FOR
YEARS AND ALSO ILLUSTRATED BOOKS
THE TRUE STORY OF LOVE,
DESPERATION AND GPS TECHNOLOGY.
SCOTT SHAFER SPOKE WITH HER
EARLIER.
>> WENDY MacNAUGHTON, WELCOME.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I THINK OF THIS AS KIND OF AN
ILLUSTRATED LOVE LETTER TO SAN
FRANCISCO, YOUR BOOK.
AND YOU DESCRIBE YOURSELF AS A
GRAPHIC JOURNALIST.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT AND HOW
DOES IT RELATE TO THE THIS BOOK?
>> I USE PICTURES THAT I DRAW
AND WORDS OF THE PEOPLE WHO I
TALK TO TO TELL TRUE STORIES
ABOUT THEIR LIVES.
>> AND SO YOU'RE LISTENING TO
PEOPLE AND TALKING WITH PEOPLE
AND SORT OF TAKING COMPOSITES OF
THE THINGS THAT YOU HEARD ON THE
STREETS AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY?
>> EXACTLY, I SPEND ANYWHERE
FROM A DAY TO A WHOLE MONTH WITH
A GROUP OF PEOPLE WRITING DOWN
EVERYTHING THEY SAY, GETTING TO
KNOW THEM AND ALL THE WHILE
DRAWING, THEM, WHAT THEY'RE
DOING, LITTLE SNIPPETS OF THINGS
WE MIGHT OVERLOOK.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAY IN
THE BOOK IS SAN FRANCISCO IS A
CITY OF DIVIDING LINES, CULTURE,
LANGUAGE, SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS.
HOW DID YOU BRIDGE THOSE
DIVIDES?
>> WELL, THE PLACES THAT I
LOOKED AT WERE THE COMMUNITIES
THAT I DIDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW
VERY MUCH ABOUT.
IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING FOR ME
TO TALK TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND
FIND THAT IN SAN FRANCISCO, THAT
THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT CITIES
GOING ON AT ONCE.
I HAD AN IDEA OF MY SAN
FRANCISCO, BUT THIS POINTED OUT
MANY OTHERS THAT ARE GOING ON AT
THE SAME TIME.
>> YEAH.
THE -- DESPITE THE DIVIDING
LINES, THERE ARE PLACES IN SAN
FRANCISCO WHERE THERE'S KIND OF
COMES TOGETHER FOR ONE REASON OR
ANOTHER.
SICK VIC CENTER IS ONE OF THOSE
AND THE MAIN LIBRARY IN
PARTICULAR.
TELL US WHY YOU CHOSE THE MAIN
LIBRARY AND THE TIME YOU SPENT
THERE AND WHAT YOU SAW.
>> I SPENT ABOUT A MONTH IN THE
MAIN LIBRARY AND SO MANY PEOPLE
COME THROUGH THERE, IT IS REALLY
A CENTER OF THE CITY IN SO MANY
DIFFERENT WAYS AND WHEN I WENT
IN THERE, I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING
TO BE ONE STORY BUT IT TURNED
OUT TO BE A VERY DIFFERENT ONE.
IT'S THE ONLY PLACE IN THE
COUNTRY AT THE TIME THAT HAD A
FULL TIME SOCIAL WORKER AND THEY
DO SO MUCH GOOD FOR THE CITY.
IT'S INCREDIBLE.
>> THERE'S ACTUALLY AN
ILLUSTRATION OF THE SOCIAL
WORKER IN THE BOOK.
LEAH.
WHAT DOES SHE DO THERE?
>> SHE WORKS SO HARD.
SHE HAS DEVELOPED A HOMELESS
OUTREACH PROGRAM.
SHE REACHES OUT TO PEOPLE WHO
COME AND USE THE LIBRARY FOR A
PLACE TO BE, A PLACE TO REST.
TO DEVELOP A JOB RESUME.
AND SHE'LL HELP THEM GET
RESOURCES TO SUPPORT THEM AND
SHE'LL ACTUALLY SOMETIMES HELP
THOSE PEOPLE GET JOBS WITHIN THE
LIBRARY DOING OUTREACH
THEMSELVES.
>> AS I SAID, AS THE A
CROSSROADS THE LIBRARY.
YOU'VE GOT STUDENTS.
IT'S KIND OF AN AFTER SCHOOL
PROGRAM FOR KIDS IN SOME WAYS,
UNEMPLOYED FOLKS LOOKING FOR
WORK, THE HOMELESS.
WHAT'S ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS
YOU OVERHEARD AS YOU WERE THERE?
>> YOU HEAR IT ALL.
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A QUIET
PLACE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR ALL
THAT MUCH.
I HEARD PEOPLE JUST TALK ABOUT
HOW MUCH IT MEANT TO THEM.
ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THEY
USE IT.
>> YEAH.
AND THERE WAS ALSO CHARLES WHO
YOU PROFILED I THINK, A FORMERLY
HOMELESS PERSON WHO ALSO WORKS
THERE WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT
I THINK?
IT'S REALLY A SOCIAL SERVICE HUB
AS MUCH AS A LENDING PLACE,
ISN'T IT?
>> EXACTLY.
>> NOT FAR FROM THERE IS FIFTH
STREET AND MISSION AND SIXTH
STREET AND MISSION WHICH IS,
ASSAY, A BLOCK AWAY BUT A
UNIVERSE AWAY.
>> YOU HUT.
>> DESCRIBE THOSE TWO BLOCKS AND
HOW THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
>> FIFTH STREET, WELL, THEY'RE
BOTH PRETTY TRANSIENT PLACES.
A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING THROUGH
AT ALL TIMES IN A VERY DIFFERENT
WAY.
FIFTH STREET YOU HAVE PEOPLE
GOING TO WORK, TO AND FROM
LUNCH, STUFF LIKE THAT, A
PARKING GARAGE RIGHT THERE.
SIXTH STREET HAS ONE OF THE
LARGEST CONCENTRATIONS OF SINGLE
RESIDENT OCCUPANCY HOTELS.
>> A LOT OF SOCIAL SERVICES.
>> SO YOU HAVE TWO VERY
DIFFERENT WORLDS JUST A BLOCK
APART.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS YOU DID IS
ILLUSTRATED THE DIFFERENT THINGS
FOR SALE ON THE TWO STREETS.
QUITE DIFFERENT.
>> VERY DIFFERENT.
BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REALLY
WONDERFUL HIGH END COFFEE SHOP
AND A REALLY YOU KNOW GREAT
CORNER STORE BUT THEY DON'T
REALLY SELL ANYTHING TO EAT
THERE.
>> YOU KNOW, SAN FRANCISCO IS
ITSELF AT A CROSSROADS IN A WAY.
WE HAVE THE CIVIC CONVERSATIONS.
SOMETIMES IT'S MORE AN ARGUMENT
GOING ON ABOUT THE COST OF
LIVING HERE AND THE TECHIES
COMING IN.
I WOULD THINK THAT PART OF SAN
FRANCISCO MIGHT BE A PLACE YOU
COULD PICK UP ON SOME OF THOSE
TENSIONS, DIFFERENCES BETWEEN
PEOPLE.
WAS THAT THE CASE.
>> IT'S AMAZING IF YOU JUST
STAND ON THE STREET CORNER AND
JUST LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE SAY
AS YOU WALK BY, THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE CONVERSATIONS ON
FIFTH STREET WHICH MIGHT BE
ABOUT GETTING TO WORK AND BEING
VERY BUSY ARE DIFFERENT THAN
WHAT YOU HEAR ON SIXTH STREET
WHICH MAY BE HOW YOU DOING,
WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU'RE HANGING
OUT ON THE
>> YOU PROFILED MUNI, SPENT TIME
ON A BUS ANOTHER PLACE WHERE
PEOPLE INTERACT OR DON'T
INTERACT BUT AT LEAST CROSS
PATHS.
AND YOU PROFILED A DRIVER AND
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU POINTED
OUT WAS THE RITUALS THEY HAVE AT
THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY.
>> UP AT THE CRACK OF DAWN AND
GOING THROUGH GETTING THE BUS
READY, CLEANING IT OFF, MAKING
SURE IT'S IN TIP TOP CONDITION.
HE GETS ON THE BUS AND HAS THIS
INCREDIBLE OVERVIEW OF SAN
FRANCISCO.
HE CUTS THROUGH SO MANY
DIFFERENT PLACES.
>> HE SEES IT ALL.
IF YOU RIDE AROUND ON THE
DIFFERENT ROUTES, YOU DO GET TO
SEEP A LOT.
>> YOU TAKE NOTE OF THE NUMBER
OF TIMES PEOPLE SAY HELLO AND
THANK YOU.
>> NOT VERY MUCH.
>> GIVES AWE APPRECIATION FOR
HOW TOUGH THE JOB IS.
>> YEAH, AND HOW VERY PATIENT
THOSE PEOPLE ARE.
>> WELL, YOU ALSO PAID A VISIT
TO GOLDEN GATE PARK AND WHAT
EVERYONE THINKS OF AS THE
BUFFALO.
>> ARE NOT BUFFALO THEY'RE
BISON.
>> WHAT DID YOU FIND OUT THERE?
>> WELL.
>> BUTTERCUP.
>> BUTTERCUP.
THEY HAVE AMAZING NAMES.
EVERYONE HAS A NAME AND
DIFFERENT PERSONALITY.
AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A
LONG TIME.
MOSTLY THEY'RE QUITE HAPPY.
>> YEAH.
I GUESS YOU COULD DO THIS KIND
OF THING ANYWHERE.
IN LOS ANGELES, SACRAMENTO, SAN
DIEGO, NEW YORK.
DO YOU FEEL NA YOU'VE CAPTURED
OR WOULD YOU CAPTURE SOMETHING
DIFFERENT IN THOSE PLACES OR ARE
URBAN CENTERS SO SIMILAR IN A
WAY?
>> I THINK THERE ALREADY
SIMILARITIES IN THEIR DIVERSITY.
THERE'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND
STORIES TO TELL IN EVERY CITY
AND I WOULD LOVE TO CAPTURE
MORE.
>> MEANWHILE IN SAN FRANCISCO,
THE CITY IN ITS OWN WORDS, WENDY
MacNAUGHTON, THANKS FOR COMING
IN.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> TO WATCH HER AT WORK IN HER
STUDIO, PLEASE VISIT
KQED.ORG/ARTS.
>>EN ADJOINING ME NOW FOR A LOOK
THE AN OTHER NEWS STORIES WE'RE
TRACKING IS SCOTT SHAFER.
>> HI.
>> AN UPDATE ON SOMETHING WE
REPORTED LAST WEEK.
WE TALKED TO STATE SENATOR ED
HERNANDEZ ABOUT HIS PROPOSAL
THAT WOULD HAVE REPEALED PARTS
OF PROP 209, A MEASUREe4íz THAT'S
THE LAW THAT BANS AFFIRMATIVE
ACTION INCOME PUBLIC COLLEGE
ADDS MISSIONS.
THIS WEEK A COMPLETE TURNAROUND.
JOHN PEREZ REZ PULLED IT.
WHY.
>> SINCE IT PASSED THE SENATE IN
JANUARY WITH THE DEMOCRATS
BARELY PASSING IT,
ASIAN-AMERICANS GROUPS HAVE
ORGANIZED AGAINSTGFd@ THIS AND FEEL
THINGS AREN'T BROKEN, WHY FIX
THEM.
42% OF ADMISSIONS TO UC BERKELEY
ARE ASIAN-AMERICAN.
THEY WERE CONCERNED IF ANYTHING
CHANGED AND AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
WERE ALLOWED TO BE USED FOR
ADMISSIONS, THEY WOULD BE THE
USERS.
THREE ASIAN-AMERICAN SENATORS
WENT TO SPEAKER PEREZ AND SAID
PLEASE PULL THIS OFF THE DOCKET.
WE DON'T WANT YOU TO VOTE ON
THIS.
WE DON'T WANT IT ON THE BALLOT
THIS YEAR.
>> THE THREE SENATORS VOTED FOR
IT IN JANUARY.
WHY THE CHANGE OF HEART?
>> I WOULDN'T SAY THESE ARE
PROFILES IN COURAGE.
THEY SEE THE POLITICS.
ARE DIFFICULT FOR THEM.
THREE OF THESE FOLKS ARE RUNNING
FOR OFFICE.
THE SPEAKER JOHN PEREZ IS
RUNNING FOR CONTROLLER, LELAND
YE FOR SECRETARY OF STATE AND
TED LUE IS RUNNING FOR HENRY
WATCHMAN'S CONGRESSIONAL SEAT.
THE LAST THING THEY WANTED WAS
TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A
CROSSFIRE BETWEEN HISPANIC
GROUPS AND ASIAN-AMERICAN GROUPS
AND WANTED IT TO GO AWAY.
>> ANOTHER BALLOT MEASURE BIT
THE DUST THIS WEEK, AS WELL.
BY RON UNZ TO RAISE THE STATE
MINIMUM WAGE TO $12.
WHAT HAPPENED?
NOW HE'S SAYING IT'S UNLIKELY TO
MAKE IT ON THE BALLOT?
>> HE WAS HOPING TO GET MONEY.
YOU NEED ABOUT A MILLION BUCKS
TO GET SIGNATURES.
HE SAID I DON'T THINK I'M NOT
GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET MONEY
FROM ANY WEALTHY REPUBLICANS OR
ORGANIZED LABOR.
HE SAID IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING
TO HAPPEN.
THERE WASN'T THE MONEY TO DO IT.
>> CAMPBELL HARRIS, OUR STATE
ATTORNEY GENERAL THIS WEEK
ISSUED A REPORT ON TRANSNATIONAL
CRIME WHICH FOUND CALIFORNIA IS
THE TOP TARGET FOR CRIME
SYNDICATES IN CHINA, AFRICA AND
EASTERN EUROPE WITH $30 BILLION
IN MONEY LAUNDERED GOING THROUGH
CALIFORNIA EACH YEAR.
WHY THE TARGET AN HERE IN
CALIFORNIA?
>> WELL, THIS IS A HUB OF
INNOVATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF WEALTHY PEOPLE
HERE.
WE HAVE A $2 TRILLION A YEAR
ECONOMY.
SO YOU SEE A LOT OF INTERNET
HACKING.
YOU'VE GOT DRUGS COMING ACROSS
THE BORDER THROUGH SAN DIEGO.
YOU'VE GOT IDENTITY THEFT.
ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
IT'S A RICH TARGET RICH
ENVIRONMENT AS YOU MIGHT SAY
JUST BECAUSE OF WHO LIVES HERE,
THE KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE
HERE, TRADE SECRETS AND ALL
THOSE THINGS.
SO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS GOING
TO MEXICO NEXT WEEK WITH OTHERS
ATTORNEYS GENERAL FROM OTHER
STATES TO DEAL AND TALK WITH THE
MEXICAN AUTHORITIES ABOUT THESE
THINGS.
>> IT'S WIDELY BELIEVED SHE'LL
RUN FOR GOVERNOR IN FOUR YEARS.
>> BURNISHING HER CREDENTIALS.
>> FOR ALL OF OUR COVERAGE,
PLEASE GO TO KQED NEWS.ORG.
>> I'M SCOTT SHAFER, THANKS FOR
JOINING US.
>> AND I'M THUY VU.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.