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antoinette have jana hampshire on but haven't equally spirited discussion
probably eyes she's from firedoglake of course and he's been absolute
champion in fighting for the public action
and for strong health care reform
uh... and also some finance reform cases floats in lumber has the upper my plaid
and patty bank
uh... sex repellents starts or swiss
it kind of a side note here before we get to the main attraction
of the
no this fact
you wrote in a on your website that i was amazed by gomes expel the put out a
report
in that stocks or
insurance company stocks in arise by fifty nine percent
in ten years
if there is no public option
but they're going to fall
by thirty six percent if they're is a public option
over the next ten years
you think that's a lynch pins everything do you think that's a wise
the corporates amira
nelson et cetera
have made the public option there do or die battle
absolutely pagers etc i don't think it did common factors they placed it with a
car that kid that means that the public options really can be good at
controlling path
and they'll and they get insurance company but not believe that that you
have heard from what the bronwen fading thereafter
you know their market market dominance
that that goldman facts but i don't like that out and they expect it without it
back immunity with market manipulation
it's it's it's
mhm you know it though it was in particular article but they've been they
meant it
you know an indiana court canyon tenure there stock they're talking
there's no way you can know what will be in ten years but there
their projection art that act they would get that back queen creek that he did
that
the that that the health care bill without public option was very good
the healthcare industry said they had health insurance industry
and that they have a public action that not that bad
so i i think that people are great saying that the public out there
wouldn't be that much
arts yet
that that kind of attitude to take a look at that
yet because
people who want to kill bubbling up so mightily women are all over the board
you know if you said
well look if you look at something like that you see out of her private industry
and then he'll turn around and say well i think the c_b_o_ says the public
options or cost more than private insurance so it's like the fact industry
when he said both thinks right
and he's
do you think the i'm in this kind of a softball believing the media has done a
poor job in covering how the score because democrats
uh... actually don't care about the deficit at all
and
and don't care about lower premiums despite their claims but in fact there
are obviously protecting these insurance companies are panama
yeah i don't know if you can't get bike you know where at the at that that the
reputation for being moderate center at
they were warhawk that would consider the festival position
and mel b that lead in order to revise that's correct
after everybody who went to over with anxious to go to war packed with proven
wrong including joe lieberman
and direct finals of the world are consider it that you know you are you
are wrong to be right
by defensible class
these acrobat on everything you know that they take money from corporations
from walmart they vote against the
in the windfall profit pack
that blanche lincoln did uh... their fear bad they're just bad all around
and faithful have and the cash coming their way from corporate donation
and nobody thirty things because it is not the clearest possible at that
meeting
so it's a lot of course is the question of what we do with us
harry has said that uh... he will not go through reconciliation
and these four land to linkedin
nelson and lieberman are saying no that's a word or probable must read them
of so
and then you have centers of the and serb rather 'n-roll mbira saying okay
wall will do a filibuster
without a public option so
what we do
well ectopic
it's important to analyze how this will affect people in individual political
careers
henry did that thirty eight percent approval and not the state of nevada
and for the show what with building last week i can tell part he was going to
fight for the public option right
and so now they're not in his power to be able to go with majority rule
majority in the fat
want about what option fifty one at said that they would vote for it
if you're going to elect because the procedure because that would get
something he controlled of maturity leader
three or four corporate democrat
the health care bill at on behalf of wellpoint timber crap and in fact gift
right but you've got to be up for reelection in uk twenty ten and at that
something he wants going out on add that in newspapers
that you know he basically may be used by insurance
from a company that he's basically delta a monopoly sales
because i have been melted in exchange for a cloture vote satin they have to be
at the entrance campaign fact is the
not buckingham acting internet tripwide
so interviews tanker going to be forced to buy insurance from many people had no
competition because we really didn't want to asking about the democratic
process in the senate
more than willing to fight for that
thinking home after work
but that kinda bad
well and i apologize ap email letter very powerful thing adequate move on her
back
you know if the influence that that is that they have the ability to
communicate with people quickly
akron for money tell them what they think about a particular issues
and barely know email email lived five equaled dollars i think hillary
clinton's read through that
for allot of money to pay off of her
perhaps campaigns
you know midlet five means i think that you got your lift building that means
you're going to put a couple of petitioners i find it poll
provider reading then you get what they read mail addressed that you can go out
and raise money out of that more or methods to them
and that with what he really was doing and convict urban boat we're sending out
wake up
parent no question that will have the public option of just what kind of a
public option interven that to us
and that very tame days i'm at you know hardball quite well you know we don't
have the fifty votes i do you know
we don't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good
so they're leaving real photocopier
using right now that as things stand that they're going to herb
buckle and go back and the date that this was a ploy by a read type of apollo
duction there in the first place so you can say hey look i gave it a shot and i
built my email list
and then one push comes to sell their goal right back to the shirt
i mean like they did with the or during two thousand and
what hank you are aware
suspects
and so it now do you have hope you have hope that uh... somehow we have a
reconciliation um... the through the progresses there are there are real
progress of the senate item in share brown oz
as bernie sanders feingold questionable on this busy tears but the procedure
when you put on the second
but the of hope that we can actually get in the reconciliation
and put it that way
i have hoped that carry reba till it will keep watching not take
responsibility
action that will take the public option out
through the very interesting article by brian dealer in talking point for them
out
about how would be have the opt-out came to go into effect on the first place
and brian reported that there was a meeting at the white house
where the white house today rereading out you're the one who get the combine
these bills
how we want you to take it out and he really got i don't want takeout
nagel we don't want the president to take the hit picking up a good luck
really compete on the internet mayapuri i'm not going to take back it
and so that was when he reread if i had to keep it in and
behavior tried earlier downloaded faith or with that you know deprived of the
administration is going to happen
you know we're all gonna make the decision collectively and we online you
want that
made it clear that now if this is your trekking they're going to wear that
and felt they tried on modern everybody electorally bergman pop alone and i
would birth
if you know fml composite the bottom line is it a read and brock obama allow
the country to be led around the nose i killed ingram and they're going to have
to wear it and they want to keep thing that over and over again sorry there you
can't get away by blaming the punch outs your lack of ability to control that was
what got us here in the first place terry
you get to where that
he keeps not wanting to do that thing that
they could try to find somebody that is things
you know i get grief all the time from some of our listeners that we're not all
in that without even most of some of our listeners in our viewers
we you know if you are not nearly as nahi he's
always so i just got an email today on this
in the same thing that i've heard a million times out he's always said that
he's in favor of the public option i don't know why used to
he's not
and in the end he's going to do the jet i might rick and get the public option
in there
or those people completely deluded
boarded a have any hope of being right that obi-wan actually is just playing
this out and that he's you know using some sort of g jitsu to your visit out
once they're opened ok isro quito thing in that in the end he's going to fight
for the public option
uh... why performed out happened to have any information
but anyone ever in my months and months about
working on the fact that indicate that the federal peridot left
say it was
skate out though that the fed make me do it
so wiped down side is there in creating the conditions that make it easy for him
to do it
split you know that brian bugler store that you just referenced in the case of
the white house is a new model
depended on him want the public option they told mary to take it on their press
when he did
well armando alone
trying to get triggered in january and rob mandela trying to get triggered
again in july in the wall street journal and i'm an organization with a look at
that rate it triggers rom and i want to hear that he is a person is negotiating
for the white house
aristede no way around
contract
and left you are trying to argue that of barack obama is ended for that night
that i mind trick not aware of what the white house chief of staff who is in
charge of negotiating health care for the white house is doing
then you one would have to conclude
he supporting romano if the printers since it was a niche enhancer
firedoglake dot coms
and she's been covering this probably better than anyone else in the country
if you ask me and so i want to go to reconciliation home
now some senators say hey listen except the real procedural problem there but
it's not distant he's e okay which is different view on boats and it's over
that you can't get rid of pre-existing conditions do that you might have split
the bill but if we split the building that houses the split the bill and that
it might not be doable because of that now do you think there's a legitimate
concerns or do you think that's another ruse because they've stopped want to do
it
well explain the bill mean they would happen separately now who's going to
vote against getting rid of predicting condition anti-republican i don't really
think that at and matt
the one thing that everybody for even the republicans bypass a hard time out
but he gets back
that the bend the one thing that ever to predict resign
here that couldn't get the reconciliation but that the part that
date of the content of part of the public option uh... enough at sabotage
that would seem so what's up lieberman and then they'll send hoover's from
saying hey you know what you're splitting the bill on the dummy
nam filibustering both
because idon't want his foot the bill
opt you know that gave airtight but again you're talking about part they're
relatively non-controversial document at the top of the popular
battles the outside except
aguilar i'd i think i think you would find them you felt that the tuition by
the public would be tremendously campus
um stepping out the public option part of it
get taking up the reconciliation the only fifty one votes there are fifty one
votes
that the only hope for the public option at this point if you're going to let joe
lieberman football though ha their any hope at all you think that they're
actually going to get the sixty democrats to bribes and cajoling and
regular horse-trading et cetera
and i what i mean by brides of course is political bribes your louisiana gets
this arkansas gets that setup
to hold all of them
with the opt-out public option that's been the bill now any chance that at all
it would take around game came here from the outside i think maybe alle eight
prague primary challenge do one of the whole that fashion everybody apc
possibly
that you know it that agc other than that i think that that you know you're
probably looking at the chelation where reconciliation is believed to be on the
help ordinance violate as you know obama sting so it's a
from what we've read and that is a new story out today about how he really
liked this article that landed because that article makes the case
that that the public option is not that big a deal detaining cost what really
can contain costs
are these panels that are any parents
figure out how to incident doing debased medicare
do result space medicare
now look i think there is
there could be tremendous value in that yeah
uh... do you think that that
is com deluge of a point to the white house has without might actually bring
significance containment
maybe we shouldn't like if you had to kill the bill that you shouldn't feel it
does that actually could give you the cross today we're looking for
i don't think that c_b_o_ found that it would adn
you know trap
that they are wrong were wrong everybody's wrong
but i don't think that you know use go didn't faze aquifers put all our faith
in the thing
when pickup we we did rediff cross our fingers and click our deal together and
npm and help
but possibility going to work right
dot but we really need for the american people perfect people you know
daddy don't thing down in arkansas tiki government healthcare clinic
poor people there was no legs people there
who had been diagnosed with peachtree cancer seven years ago who'd never been
able to see a doctor i mean they're people who reshaped either have to ask
for health care
you know the people that we're talking about
even the people that work you know we're trying to get help to so but habe and
political will here and fight for something that we think is really going
to help them rather than just trying to get the political win
or you know
hope that backing up the
these panels will be able to deliver
what we what we know what bulwark did what but before the house defended
fraction even of what is needed fish
shadow of what is needed to water it down anymore if the traffic d
president obama's kids
effect in there
and and fight at least for what we have to and not let joe lieberman leave the
country around by them
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