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>>> GOOD MORNING, FROM NEW YORK
CITY.
I'M BRIAN STELTER.
IT'S TIME FOR "RELIABLE
SOURCES."
A BIG SHOW AHEAD.
HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" UNDER FIRE,
QUESTIONS OF FAIRNESS AS A
FAMILY TRAGEDY PLAYS OUT IN THE
HEADLINES.
CHRIS CHRISTIE, THE MEDIA
SWARMING, NEW STORIES BREAKING.
WE ASKED THE REPORTER WHO GOT
THE BIGGEST SCOOP OF THEM ALL,
CAN THIS GOVERNOR STILL RUN FOR
PRESIDENT?
WHICH BRINGS US TO HILLARY
CLINTON.
SHE'S A TARGET FOR REPUBLICANS,
BUT IS HER HUSBAND FAIR GAME?
>> WOULD YOU CALL HIM AN
UNSAVORY CHARACTER?
>> YEAH, A *** PREDATOR
BASICALLY.
>> THOSE ARE STRONG WORDS AND WE
WILL GET TO THEM LATER IN THE
PROGRAM.
PLUS I HAVE CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR
JOINING US ABOUT THE OUTRAGEOUS
TREATMENT OF REPORTERS IN EGYPT
AND BILL CARTER ON JAY LENO
LEAVING "THE TONIGHT SHOW."
FIRST ARE WE ABOUT TO SEE A NEW
AND EXPLOSIVE RELACE OF NSA
INFORMATION.
HERE'S A BIGGER QUESTION, HAS
ANOTHER SOURCE COME FORWARD
POSSIBLY INSPIRED BY EDWARD
SNOWDEN?
LET ME BACK UP A MOMENT AND
CLARIFY.
GLEN GREENWALD IS THE REPORTER
WHO BROKE THE EDWARD SNOWDEN
SURVEILLANCE STORY AND WHO
HELPED SNOWDEN PUBLISH ALL OF
THE NSA REVELATIONS THAT HAVE
SHAKEN U.S. RELATIONSHIPS AROUND
THE WORLD AND REVEALED TO ALL OF
US JUST HOW EXTENSIVELY THE
GOVERNMENT IS COLLECTING OUR
PERSONAL DATA.
HE WILL BE JOINING ME IN A
MOMENT AS HE PREPARES TO RELEASE
MATERIAL WE HAVE NOT SEEN YET
BEFORE ON HIS NEW WEBSITE.
MEANWHILE GREENWALD IS PREPARING
TO COME BACK TO THE UNITED
STATES N SPITE OF THE FACT THAT
HE COULD BE ARRESTED AS SOON AS
HE LANDS.
SEVERAL LAWMAKERS HAVE SAID THAT
HE MAY BE GUILTY OF AIDING AND
ABETTING A FELON.
JOURNALIST GLEN GREENWALD JOINS
ME FROM RIO de JANEIRO.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN HEAR GLEN
BUT I THINK YOU CAN HEAR ME.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO ASK HIM MY
FIRST QUESTION.
IT INVOLVES YOUR NEW WEBSITE.
WILL YOU BE REVEALING NEW
INFORMATION ABOUT THE
SURVEILLANCE STORIES ON THE
SITE?
>> SURE.
THERE'S A LOT MORE REALLY
SIGNIFICANT STORIES ABOUT TO
REVEAL AS WE'VE SAID FOR QUITE
SOME TIME THAT CONTINUES TO BE
TRUE, AND A BIG PART OF WHY THIS
APPEALS TO US SO MUCH, NAMELY,
THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A NEW
WEBSITE, A NEW YA OUTLET REALLY,
IS TO CONTINUE AGGRESSIVELY
REPORTING ON THESE MATERIALS
THAT HAVE INFORMED DEMOCRATIC
DEBATES AROUND THE WORLD.
>>> ARE ALL OF THE STORIES
YOU'LL BE PUBLISHING STARTING
THIS WEEK BASED ON THE SNOWDEN
DOCUMENTS OR HAVE NEW SOURCE
COMES FORWARD?
>> WELL, I CAN'T REALLY TALK
ABOUT THE STORIES UNTIL THEY'RE
PUBLISHED INCLUDING THEIR BASE
ES, BUT I WOULD SAY JUST IN
GENERAL THAT BEFORE THE SNOWDEN
REPORTING BEGAN, ONE OF THE
RECOGNITIONS I THINK ON THE PART
OF THE AMERICAN MEDIA WAS THAT
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION HAS
BEEN PARTICULARLY AGGRESSIVE,
SOME HAVE SAID AND I WOULD
AGREE, VINDICTIVE, IN GOING
AFTER SOURCES AND EVEN
JOURNALISTS THEMSELVES.
JAMES GOODELL, THE FORMER NEW
YORK TIMES GENERAL COUNSEL SAID
PRESIDENT OBAMA IS MORE HOSTILE
SINCE RICHARD NIXON.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS
SOURCES NEED TO KNOW IF THEY
COME FORWARD, THEY'RE GOING TO
BE DEFENDED AND PROTECTED AND
ALSO THAT WHATEVER THEY COME
FORWARD TO REVEAL IS GOING TO BE
AGGRESSIVELY REPORTED BY MEDIA
OUTLETS AND JOURNALISTS EVEN IF
THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T LIKE IT.
I THINK JOURNALISTS KNOW THAT
ABOUT US AND I THINK THAT SOME
WILL BE WILLING TO WORK WITH US.
>> SOME SOURCES YOU MEAN?
SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE OTHER
SOURCES YOU'RE PROTECTING?
>> YEAH.
I JUST -- UNTIL THE STORIES ARE
REVEALED, I CAN'T REALLY ADDRESS
THAT.
>> IS IT FAIR TO SAY YOU'VE
HEARD FROM PEOPLE INSIDE THE NSA
OR GOVERNMENT WHO HAVE BEEN
INSPIRED BY EDWARD SNOWDEN, WHO
ARE ALSO FEELING UNCOMFORTABLE
WITH WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THE
GOVERNMENT AND ALSO WANT TO
SHARE INFORMATION WITH YOU?
>> I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S FAIR
TO SAY THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO
HAVE BEEN INSPIRED BY EDWARD
SNOWDEN'S COURAGE AND BY THE
GREAT GOOD AND VIRTUE THAT IT
HAS ACHIEVED AND, YOU KNOW, I
THINK THERE WERE PEOPLE BEFORE
EDWARD SNOWDEN LIKE CHELSEA
MANNING AND THOMAS DRAKE AND
BEFORE THAT DANIEL ELLSBERG WHO
WERE INCREDIBLY HEROIC.
I THINK EDWARD SNOWDEN WAS
INSPIRED BY THEM.
I HAVE NO DOUBT THERE WILL BE
OTHER SOURCES INSIDE THE
GOVERNMENT WHO SEE EXTREME
WRONGDOING INSPIRED BY EDWARD
SNOWDEN AS WELL.
>> AT THE SAME TIME I'VE GOTTEN
THE SENSE YOU WANT THIS NEW NEWS
ORGANIZATION YOU'RE BUILDING
WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES TO BE
BROADER THAN JUST WHAT EDWARD
SNOWDEN HAS PROVIDED DOCUMENT
WISE TO YOU.
IS THAT RIGHT, THAT YOU WANT TO
BROADEN OUT ON THIS NEW SITE
BEYOND WHAT YOU WROTE FOR "THE
GUARDIAN" AND NBC MORE RECENTLY?
>> OH, DEFINITELY.
BEFORE EDWARD SNOWDEN WAS MY
SOURCE I WROTE ABOUT A WHOLE
RANGE OF TOPICS, CIVIL LIBERTIES
ABUSES AND SECRECY ABUSES, AND
WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO
CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON ISSUES LIKE
THAT, AS WELL AS BROADER ISSUES.
WE HAVE JOURNALISTS WHO HAVE
BEEN AT THE TOP OF THEIR FIELD
REPORTING ON CRIMINAL AND CIVIL
JUSTICE ABUSES AND A WHOLE
VARIETY OF OTHER TOPICS.
TO US, WHAT WE'RE REALLY ABOUT
IS THIS JOURNALISTIC ETHOS, THAT
PEOPLE IN POWER, MORE THAN
ANYTHING ELSE, NEED ADVERSARIAL
CHECKS FROM THOSE IN THE MEDIA.
THAT'S WHY THE FIRST AMENDMENT
GUARANTEES A FREE PRESS.
WE BELIEVE THAT KIND OF
TRANSPARENCY BRINGS
ACCOUNTABILITY AND THAT'S BEEN
MISSING FROM THE AMERICAN
POLITICAL CLASS WHICH IS WHY
THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH NOT JUST IN
INEPTITUDE BUT CORRUPTION AND
THAT'S SOMETHING WE HOPE TO
CONTRIBUTE TO RECTIFY.
>> YOU'RE COMING TO US FROM
BRAZIL.
YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BACK TO THE
UNITED STATES SINCE THE FIRST
STORIES WERE PUBLISHED LAST
SUMMER BUT YOU'VE HINTED YOU'RE
GOING TO COME BACK THIS SPRING.
I WANT TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE
THERE'S BEEN CLAIMS IN RECENT
GAS DAIS FROM SOME GOVERNMENT
OFFICIALS THEY MIGHT HOLD YOU
ACCOUNTABLE AND MIGHT TRY TO
PROSECUTE YOU IN SOME WAY.
LET'S PLAY THE EXCHANGE BETWEEN
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE MIKE
ROGERS AND THE FBI DIRECTOR FROM
EARLIER THIS WEEK.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS
ABOUT SELLING OF ACCESS TO THIS
MATERIAL TO BOTH NEWSPAPER
OUTLETS AND OTHER PLACES.
MR. COMEY, TO THE BEST OF YOUR
KNOWLEDGE IS FENCING STOLEN
MATERIAL, THAT IS A CRIME?
>> YES, IT IS.
>> AND WOULD BE SELLING THE
ACCESS OF CLASSIFIED MATERIAL
THAT IS STOLEN FROM THE UNITED
STATES GOVERNMENT, WOULD THAT BE
A CRIME?
>> IT WOULD BE.
IT'S AN ISSUE THAT CAN BE
COMPLICATED IF IT INVOLVES A
NEWS GATHERING FUNCTION, BUT IN
GENERAL FENCING OR SELLING
STOLEN PROPERTY IS A CRIME.
>> YOUR BLOOD MUST BOIL WHEN YOU
HEAR THAT.
WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO THAT?
WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY'RE TRYING
TO DO BY SAYING THOSE KIND OF
THINGS?
>> EXTRAORDINARY ASPECTS TO THAT
ATTEMPT BY MIKE ROGERS TO
SUGGEST THAT JOURNALISTS SUCH AS
MYSELF ARE ENGAGED IN CRIMINAL
CONDUCT IN SELLING KOUMTSS AND
THE LIKE.
FIRST IS THAT HE'S NOT ONLY
LYING AND HE IS LYING, BUT HE
NOT ONLY IS LYING BUT KNOWS THAT
HE'S LYING.
THIS WHAT IS MIKE ROMGERS IS
NOTORIOUS FOR IN WASHINGTON,
LITERALLY MAKING THINGS UP AND
SMEARING POLITICAL OPPONENTS AND
JOURNALISTS HE DOESN'T LIKE.
HE RECENTLY DID IT WHEN HE SAID
THERE WAS INDICATIONS THAT
EDWARD SNOWDEN WAS WORKING WITH
RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE AND EVERY
MAJOR NEWSPAPER IN THE COUNTRY
SAID NOT ONLY IS THERE NO
EVIDENCE OF THAT, BUT THAT
INVESTIGATORS HAVE SAID IT'S NOT
THE CASE, THAT HE ACTED ALONE.
BUT I DEFY MIKE ROGERS, IF HE
WANTS TO MAKE THAT ACCUSATION,
TO COME FORWARD AND PRESENT
ACTUAL EVIDENCE THAT ANY
JOURNALIST HAS STOLEN -- HAS
SOLD DOCUMENTS OR STOLEN
MATERIAL OR ENGAGED IN ANY KIND
OF CRIMINALITY.
HE HAS NO EVIDENCE.
HE'S MAKING THINGS UP.
BUT THE SECOND ASPECT IS WHAT
HE'S TALKING ABOUT, THAT PROCESS
HAS ALWAYS IN THE UNITED STATES
BEEN CALLED JOURNALISM.
YOU GO TO MEDIA OUTLETS AND YOU
REPORT WHAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD
KNOW.
WHAT THIS IS, IS NOTHING LESS
THAN AN ATTEMPT TO CRIMINALIZE
JOURNALISM LIKE ALL PETTY TYRANT
TRIES TO DO WHEN REPORTERS AND
OTHER JOURNALISTS EXPOSE THAT
WHICH THEY WANT TO HIDE.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SHOULD
MISTAKE WHAT THIS IS REALLY
ABOUT.
>> YET EVERY TIME WE TALK, EVERY
TIME YOU'RE ON TELEVISION,
PEOPLE ON TWITTER CALL YOU A
TRAITOR.
WHAT IS THAT LIKE TO HEAR
TRAITOR AND HERO FROM OTHER
PEOPLE?
>> YEAH.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT'S
ALWAYS THE CASE THAT IF YOU ARE
ADVERSARIAL TO THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT THERE ARE CERTAIN
PEOPLE WHO VIEW CRITICIZING THE
GOVERNMENT OR EXPOSING BAD ACTS
DONE IN SECRET OF THE
GOVERNMENT, AS BEING TREASONUS.
LOOK AT WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT
DANIEL ELLSBERG, WHO EVERYBODY
NOW REGARDS AS A HERO, BUT 40
YEARS AGO YOU HAD THE MIKE
ROGERS AND JAMES CLAPPERS OF
THAT ERA CALLING HIM A RUSSIAN
SPY AND A TRAITOR AND ENGAGING
IN TREASON AND ENDANGERING THE
UNITED STATES.
IT'S REALLY JUST A VERY SIMILAR
PATTERN.
I KNEW A LONG TIME AGO WHEN I
WENT INTO JOURNALISM IT WASN'T
THE PROFESSION TO GO INTO IF YOU
WANT TO BE UNIVERSALLY LOVED.
IF YOU DO IT THE RIGHT WAY
YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF
POWERFUL PEOPLE AND THEIR
LOYALISTS UNHAPPY AND I'M
PERFECTLY OKAY WITH THAT.
>> I HOPE TO SEE YOU HERE IN NEW
YORK IN A COUPLE MONTHS.
>> THANKS VERY MUCH, BRIAN.
APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.
WE WILL LOOK AT THE AWFUL STORY
OF *** ALLEN AND HIS STEP
DAUGHTER AND ACCUSATIONS THAT
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" TREATED
ALLEN UNFAIRLY EVEN AS ANOTHER
NEWSPAPER DECIDED NOT TO GO WITH
THAT STORY AT ALL.
TWO REPORTERS WILL BE HERE IN A
MOMENT.
DON'T GO AWAY.
>>> WELCOME BACK TO "RELIABLE
SOURCES."
THIS WEEKEND NEW ALLEGATIONS BY
BOTH SIDES TO THE UGLY FAMILY
BATTLE BETWEEN *** ALLEN AND
HIS STEP DAUGHTER DYLAN FARROW.
THIS WOULD NORMALLY BE A PRIVATE
MATTER BUT IT'S BEING BITTERLY
FOUGHT OUT ON WEBSITES AND
NEWSPAPERS.
DYLAN'S CLAIM THAT ALAN SEXUALLY
ASSAULTED HER FIRST AROSE IN THE
1990s WHEN SHE WAS 7 YEARS OLD.
IT HIT THE HEADLINES A WEEK AGO
WHEN "NEW YORK TIMES" COLUMNIST
NICK PUBLISHED AN OPEN LITER.
SOME CRITICS AND *** ALLEN
HAVE FAULTED THE "TIMES."
ALAN DID GET HIS SAY, PUBLISHED
HIS REBUTTAL AND BLAMING FORMER
GIRLFRIEND MIA FARROW FOR
MANIPULATING DYLAN.
I LOVE HER, HE WRITES OF HIS
DAUGHTER, HOPE ONE DAY SHE WILL
GRASP HOW SHE HAS BEEN CHEATED
OUT OF HAVING A LOVING FATHER
AND EXPLOITED BY A MOTHER MORE
INTERESTED IN HER OWN FESTERING
ANGER THAN HER DAUGHTER'S WELL
BEING.
DYLAN FIRED BACK, THIS TIME IN
THE "HOLLYWOOD REPORTER" WRITING
THIS, ONCE AGAIN, *** ALLEN IS
ATTACKING ME AND MY FAMILY IN AN
EFFORT TO DISCREDIT AND SILENCE
ME.
BUT NOTHING HE SAYS OR WRITES
CAN CHANGE THE TRUTH.
HERE'S THE QUESTION I WILL LIKE
TO EXPLORE THIS MORNING SHOULD
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" HAVE
PUBLISH ED DYLAN'S CHARGES
WITHOUT A RESPONSE FROM ALAN.
"THE LOS ANGELES TIMES" PASSED
ON PUBLISHING DYLAN'S LETTER.
JOINING ME TWO REPORTERS DYLAN
BYERS FOR POLITICO AND ROBIN
ABCARIAN A COLUMNIST FOR THE
LONGS TIMES.
ROBIN YOU WROTE A COLUMN WHERE
YOU SAID NICK, THIS SPECTACLE IS
ON YOU.
YOU FEEL THE TIMES DID NOT
EXERCISE PROPER JOURNALISTIC
JUDGMENT HERE.
SPELL IT OUT FOR ME.
>> I WANT TO SAY THERE ARE NO
WINNERS THIS SITUATION AND WHILE
I THINK THAT NICK CHRISTOPH'S
WORK IS AT MERBLE I THINK HIS
JUDGMENT WAS CLOUDED BY GIVING
OVER HIS COLUMN AND HIS VERY
VALUABLE JOURNALISTIC REAL
ESTATE TO A FRIEND OF HIS FAMILY
AS HE DESCRIBED THE FARROWS.
GIVING HIS COLUMN OVER TO THIS
REALLY A CRY OF PAIN AND ANGUISH
ON THE PART OF THIS WOMAN WHO
SAYS SHE WAS ABUSED AND WHO MANY
AGREE WITH, BUT WHOSE FATHER WAS
NEVER FORMALLY CHARGED OR
PROSECUTED, I THINK HAS SEWN
MAXIMUM CONFUSION, RATHER THAN
CLARIFY, AN I'M NOT SURE REALLY
WHAT PURPOSE WAS SERVED.
>> WHY DO YOU THINK YOUR
NEWSPAPER "THE L.A. TIMES"
GRANTED ANOTHER PART OF THE
PAPER, NOT THE PART THAT YOU
WORKED FOR, BUT WHY DO YOU THINK
THEY PASSED OP PUBLISHING THIS
OPEN LETTER?
>> ANYTHING I SAY WOULD BE
SPECULATION BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE
ANY CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE
EDITORIAL PAGES BUT I'M ASSUMING
FOR THE REASONS THAT I FOUND IT
SOMEWHAT OBJECTIONABLE WHEN YOU
HAVE SUCH A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE
BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE THAT REALLY
CAN'T BE RESOLVED EXCEPT IN THE
COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION AND WHAT
IS THAT, WHAT GOOD DOES IT SERVE
ALLOWING ONE WOMAN TO CASTIGATE
THE OTHER IN PUBLIC.
NOW YOU SEE WITH "THE NEW YORK
TIMES" FORCED TO PUBLISH ***
ALLEN'S DENIAL OF MOLESTATION,
BASICALLY BACK TO SQUARE ONE.
>> DILL LAP, AS YOU KNOW I USED
TO WORK FOR "THE NEW YORK TIMES"
THAT'S MY SKIN IN THE GAME.
SOME FEEL THIS WAS MORE BECOMES
OF "THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER" THAN
"THE NEW YORK TIMES."
WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT WHAT
THE TIMES DID TO TRY TO REACH
*** ALLEN AND THEY DECIDED
TO PUBLISH THIS LONG REBUTTAL IN
THE PAPER THIS WEEKEND?
>> IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE SAKE
OF CONTEXT NOT JUST THE LOS
ANGELES TIMES THAT DIDN'T WANT
TO PUBLISH THIS IT'S "THE NEW
YORK TIMES" EDITORIAL PAGE DID
NOT WANT TO PUBLISH THIS --
>> YOU BROKE THIS NEWS ON FRIDAY
THEY RECEIVED THE LETTER AS WELL
AND DECIDED NOT TO PUBLISH IT,
RIGHT?
>> WHAT OUR SOURCES AT THE TIMES
TOLD US IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED IS
THEY WANTED TO PASS ON IT AND
ESSENTIALLY NICK CHRIS STOF, A
FRIEND OF THE FAMILY, STEPPED IN
AND SAID I'M GOING TO PUBLISH IT
I'LL PUBLISH THE FULL LETTER ON
MY BLOG AND ADDRESS IT IN MY
COLUMN AND ROBIN'S POINT IS
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, IS THAT REALLY
THE PLACE FOR THIS BATTLE
BETWEEN PLAYING OUT, THIS SORT
OF PERSONAL FAMILY DRAMA TO BE
PLAYING OUT AND NOW IT'S FORCED
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" TO ADDRESS
THIS ISSUE AND IF WE LET NICK
PUBLISH THAT PIECE WE HAVE TO
LET *** ALLEN PUBLISH THIS
PIECE.
>> IS THERE AN ARGUMENT TO BE
MADE "THE NEW YORK TIMES" SHOULD
HAVE WAITED UNTIL THEY HAD A
PUBLISHABLE RESPONSE FROM ***
ALLEN OR DOES THAT PUT THE TIMES
IN A DIFFICULT PLACE?
THIS IS A PERSON ALLEGING ***
ASSAULT, IF THE ALLEGED
ASSAULTER ISN'T GOING TO COMMENT
THAT'S NOT THEIR FAULT?
>> YEAH.
EXACTLY.
I THINK WHAT YOU SEE IN DYLAN'S
LETTER SHE IS INVITING OPINION
AND DEBATE ON AN ISSUE THAT FOR
HER THERE IS NO OTHER OPINION OR
DEBATE ON IT.
THIS IS WHAT SHE CALLS HER TRUTH
AND FACTS.
*** ALLEN, I HAVE TO SAY I'M
NOT SURE WHAT FAVOR HE DID
HIMSELF WITH HIS LONG ESSAY IN
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" THE OTHER
DAY.
I THINK A MATURE HUMAN BEING
WOULD HAVE SAID I LOVE MY
DAUGHTER, WISH HER THE BEST AND
DID NOT *** HER.
HE USED IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
ATTACK MIA FARROW.
NOW YOU HAVE THE WHOLE FAMILY
INVOLVED AGAIN, "PEOPLE"
MAGAZINE GOT IN ON THE ACT,
INTERVIEWED MOSES FARROW,
DYLAN'S FARROW'S RESPONSE WAS MY
BROTHER IS DEAD TO ME.
THIS EXTRAORDINARY SCENE OF
FAMILY DYSFUNCTION AND MELTDOWN
PLAYING OUT REALLY FOR THE
INTERESTS OF THE PUBLIC.
THE IMPORTANT THING IS DYLAN
FARROW'S FAMILY BELIEFS ARE THEY
SUPPORT HER AND THAT'S ALL
REALLY THAT MATTERS.
>> MY PRODUCER POINTED OUT
BEFORE THE SHOW THE KIND OF
THING THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE
PLAYING OUT IN A THERAPIST'S
OFFICE, SO STRANGE TO SEE IT
PLAYING OUT IN NEWSPAPER
COLUMNS.
I WONDER IF THIS SAYS SOMETHING
ABOUT OUR AGE WE'RE IN.
DO YOU THINK THERE'S A BROADER
TAKEAWAY TO ALL THIS?
>> NO.
I THINK IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU'VE
GOT --
>> VERY ISOLATED?
>> TWO PROFILE PEOPLE, ***
ALLEN AND MIA FARROW INVOLVED
GUARANTEES THE PUBLIC WILL
CONTINUE TO HAVE INTEREST IN
THEIR SEX LIVE, DISFUNK OF THEIR
LIVES, PERSONAL FAMILY MELTDOWN
BUT THAT IS THE WORLD WE LIVE
IN?
>> IF I MAY.
>> YEAH.
>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER
THERE ARE TWO OTHER THINGS GOING
ON AT THE SAME TIME THAT THIS IS
HAPPENING.
THE -- AND THESE ALLEGATION,
THESE CHARGES R NOT NEW.
THESE ARE SHE OLD.
WHY ARE THEY CROPPING UP RIGHT
NOW?
*** ALLEN IS IN THE LIMELIGHT
FOR THE GOLDEN GLOBES AND
OSCARS.
RONAN FARROW HAS A NEW SHOW ON
MSNBC, WE KNOW THAT RONAN WAS
THE ONE THAT MITIGATED THE
MEETING BETWEEN DYLAN FARROW AND
"THE LOS ANGELES TIMES" PAGE.
YOU HAVE TO WONDER WHY IS THIS
COMING UP NOW AND DOES IT HAVE
ANYTHING -- I'M NOT SIDING WITH
ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER BUT DOES
IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH AN
ATTEMPT TO TAKE DOWN *** ALLEN
AND B, WITH AN ATTEMPT TO CAST
MORE LIGHT ON ANOTHER MEMBER OF
THE FAMILY WHO HAS A NEW SHOW
COMING.
>> AS WE WRAP UP DYLAN, I WONDER
IF YOU'VE SENSED ANY IDEA THAT
THERE'S ANY REGRET AT "THE NEW
YORK TIMES" ABOUT HOW THIS WENT
DOWN.
NICK CHRIS STOF HAS DECLINED TO
COMMENT OR INTERVIEW REQUESTS IN
THE WEEKS SINCE HIS FIRST COLUMN
CAME OUT.
HAVE YOU SENSED REGRET AT THE
PAPER ABOUT THIS?
>> OF COURSE.
THE WAY I SENSE REGRET IS
THROUGH SILENCE.
I REACHED TOUT ANDY ROSENTHAL
AND KNICKS CHRIS STOF ON
WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY, AND
DIDN'T HEAR BACK FROM EITHER OF
THEM.
THERE'S CLEARLY SOME SORT OF
TENSION GOING ON OVER THAT
DECISION.
>> DYLAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ROBIN, THANK YOU FOR JOINING ME.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> MY PLEASURE.
>> IN JUST A MOMENT ONE
OF AMERICA'S MOST LEGENDARY
REPORTERS ONE HALF OF WOODWARD
AND BERNSTEIN IS HERE TO TALK
ABOUT THE CHRIS CHRISTIE
BRIDGEGAIT SCANDAL.
NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND I'LL ASK
CARL BERNSTEIN IS THIS GOING TO
BRING CHRISTIE DOWN?
YOU'LL WANT TO HEAR WHAT HE HAS
TO SAY.
>>> WELCOME BACK.
YOU KNOW THEY KEEP COMING, DRIP
DRIP INTEREST IN THE BRIDGE GATE
SCANDAL, THE GEORGE WASHINGTON
BRIDGE SCANDAL AND THE QUESTION
IS, WAS NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR
CHRIS CHRISTIE INVOLVED IN
CLOSING SOME OF THE ACCESS LANES
TO THE BRIDGE LAST YEAR TO
PARALYZE THE TOWN OF FORT LEE?
THIS MORNING THE NEWARK STAR
LEDGER'S EDITORIAL EDITOR
WEIGHED IN.
MEANWHILE, REPORTERS ARE STILL
DIGGING, DIGGING, DIGGING FOR
NEW SCOOPS AND THE LATEST, THE
MAYOR OF FORT LEE SAYS HE
BELIEVES THE LANES WERE CLOSED
IN RETALIATION FOR HIS
ENDORSEMENT OF CHRISTIE'S RIVAL
IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.
HE'S BEEN SKITTISH ABOUT SAYING
THAT BUT NOW SAYS ALTHOUGH HE
WAS NOT DIRECTLY ASKED TO
ENDORSE THE GOVERNOR HE WAS
SHOURD WITH POLITICAL FAVORS
FROM THE CHRISTIE CAMPAIGN UNTIL
THE DAY HE ENDORSED DEMOCRAT
BARBARA BONO.
THE GOVERNOR DENIED HAVING
KNOWLEDGE OF THE LANE CLOSURES
WHILE HAPPENING.
AT WHAT POINT DOES THIS BECOME
BIG ENOUGH TO SINK CHRIS
CHRISTIE AS THE 2016
PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER OR HAS IT
ALREADY?
I CAN'T THINK OF ANYONE BETTER
TO ASK THAN MY NEXT GUEST CARL
BERNSTEIN ONE HALF OF THE
LEGENDARY WOODWARD AND BERNSTEIN
STORY LEADING TO THE RESIGNATION
OF PRESIDENT KNICKSEN.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> ALWAYS DIFFERENCES WITH EVERY
SCANDAL.
DO YOU SEE SIMILARITIES IN THE
WAY NEWS HAS TRICKLED OUT ABOUT
BRIDGE GATE AND THE WAY SLOWLY
NEWS TRICKLED OUT ABOUT
WATERGATE.
>> START WITH BRIDGE GATE.
A TERRIBLE TERM UNFAIR TO
GOVERNOR CHRISTIE AND WE IN THE
MEDIA OUGHT TO ABANDON THAT TERM
RIGHT AWAY.
>> NO MORE GATES AT ALL?
>> FIRST OF ALL TRIFLIZES
WATERGATE BY CALLING EVERYTHING
GATE, BUT IN THE CASE OF
CHRISTIE IT'S PLAIN UNFAIR.
WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE FACTS YET.
LET'S WAIT UNTIL THE FACTS ARE
IN.
THE NEW JERSEY LEGISLATURE NEEDS
TO DO AN IMPORTANT BIPARTISAN
INVESTIGATION SUCH AS WAS
UNDERTAKEN IN WATERGATE AND
WE'LL LEARN MORE.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A HUGE
NATIONAL STORY ON MANY LEVELS.
NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS THAT
IT HAS THROWN THE REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTIAL SWEEPSTAKES WIDE
OPEN.
CHRISTIE WAS THE PRESUMED
NOMINEE AMONG THE COMMENTATING
CLASS AND MANY OTHERS.
HE NO LONGER IS UNDER ANY
CIRCUMSTANCES.
THIS MEANS THERE'S GOING TO BE A
HUGE FIGHT FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL
NOMINATION IN THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY, OTHER CANDIDATES ARE
GOING TO ENTER, MAYBE PEOPLE
LIKE JOE SCARBOROUGH, ROB
PORTMAN, MANY OTHERS, THIS IS
WIDE OPEN.
>> YOU THINK SCARBOROUGH WOULD
DO IT?
HE ALWAYS FLIRTS WITH THIS
STUFF.
DO YOU THINK HE WOULD RUN FOR
PRESIDENT?
>> I CAN'T BE INSIDE HIS HEAD.
I THINK THAT HE CERTAINLY WOULD
THINK ABOUT IT AND IF HE SAW
THERE WAS A WAY AND A PATH THAT
WAS A POSSIBILITY THAT HE
PROBABLY WOULD.
>> YOUR POINT IS NOW THERE ARE
THESE PATHS OPENING UP.
>> THIS CAN GO ANYWHERE.
>> RIGHT.
>> CHRISTIE WAS THE IDEAL
CANDIDATE MOVING TO THE CENTER,
SOMEBODY WHO SUPPOSEDLY COULD
WORK WITH DEMOCRATS, WHO HAD
GOTTEN A LOT ACCOMPLISHED IN HIS
STATE, VERY POPULAR, SO-CALLED
TRUTH TELLER WHO GOT RIGHT OUT
THERE AND SAID THINGS OTHERS ARE
AFRAID TO SAY AND NOW WHAT WE
HAVE IS AN IMPLOSION OF SORTS.
>> SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T THINK
HE'S TOO THOROUGHLY DAMAGED TO
BE THE NOMINEE.
WE DON'T KNOW YET?
>> I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY HE WILL
BE THE NOMINEE.
IF HE'S GOING TO BE THE NOMINEE
HE HAS TO PROVE THAT THIS WAS
ALL INVENTED AGAINST HIM.
THAT HE REALLY HAD VERY LITTLE
TO DO WITH THE AURA OF HIS
OFFICE, THAT MADE THIS POSSIBLE,
IN OTHER WORDS HIS TOP AIDES,
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER HE SAID
CLOSE DOWN THE DAM LANES, HIS
PEOPLE CLOSEST TO HIM DID IT AND
THEY DID IT IN A CYNICAL,
HORRIBLE WAY, THAT ENDANGERED
PEOPLE'S LIVES.
THIS IS NO PRANK AS RUDY
GIULIANI HAS PUT IT.
THIS IS A TERRIBLE OFFENSE
AGAINST THE CITIZENS AND
ENDANGERING THEM OF HIS STATE.
SO UNLESS HE CAN SHOW THAT HE
HAS SOMEHOW BEEN AMBUSHED BY THE
PRESS, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH
THIS, THAT HIS ASSISTANTS WERE
INDEPENDENT OPERATORS.
>> ROGUE.
>> WHO KEPT THINGS FROM HIM,
IT'S A PRETTY ROUGH THING TO
ACCEPT FOR MOST PEOPLE, I THINK,
THAT HE'S THAT FAR REMOVED AND
IF HE'S THEN SHOWN TO BE THAT
FAR REMOVED HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
THE HELL WAS GOING ON IN HIS
OFFICE, THEN THAT'S ANOTHER
PROBLEM.
IF -- WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S
GOING TO HAPPEN IN AN
INVESTIGATION.
HE MIGHT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
BEING THE GOVERNOR OF NEW
JERSEY.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
>> HERE'S A TWITTER MESSAGE FROM
A VIEWER WHEN I SAID WE WERE
GOING TO BE ON WITH ME TODAY.
WITHOUT MORE PROOF THAN WE NOW
HAVE, IS THIS WHOLE CHRIS
CHRISTIE THING STARTING TO FEEL
LIKE PRESS OVERKILL?
>> NO.
BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT
HAPPENED AND WE HAVE VERY LITTLE
EVIDENCE, HARD EVIDENCE, SO FAR
THAT HAS BEEN MADE PUBLIC.
THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE HAS FAILED
TO MAKE IT PUBLIC.
THERE ARE MANY SUBPOENAS OUT
THERE.
THE GOVERNOR COULD OPEN UP HIS
BOOKS IF HE WANTED TO SAY THIS
IS INVENTED BY THE PRESS.
I'LL GIVE YOU EVERYTHING WE'RE
GIVING TO THE INVESTIGATING
COMMITTEES.
HERE IT IS.
COME ON IN, REPORTERS, COME ON
IN, EVERYBODY.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT KIND OF
WILLINGNESS TO OPEN UP THE
IDEA -- LOOK, JUST LIKE IN
WATERGATE, THERE ARE THOSE WHO
ARE GOING TO SAY LET'S MAKE THE
CONDUCT OF THE PRESS THE ISSUE
HERE, NOT THE CONDUCT OF THE
GOVERNOR AND HIS OFFICE.
>> ISN'T THAT ALWAYS THE WORLD'S
MOST BORING STORY MAKING THE
PRESS THE STORY?
>> IT WORKED IN WATERGATE FOR A
GOOD WHILE.
WE WERE KIND OF OUT THERE BY
OURSELVES.
KNICKSP TRIED TO MAKE THE
CONDUCT OF "THE WASHINGTON POST"
THE ISSUE NOT THOSE OF HIS
ASSISTANTS.
AT A CERTAIN POINT IT STOPS
WORKING IF THE FACTS ARE
COMPELLING ENOUGH AND IF THE
REPORTING IS GOOD ENOUGH.
SO FAR THE FACTS ARE COMPELLING
AND THE REPORTING IS PRETTY
GOOD.
>> PRETTY GOOD.
WE'RE ABOUT TO TALK IN THE NEXT
BLOCK ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON AND,
YOU KNOW, THE PRESUMED CANDIDATE
FOR 2016 AND HOW RAND PAUL HAS
BEEN CRITICIZING HER HUSBAND
CALLING BILL CLINTON A ***
PREDATOR.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S A FAIR LINE
OF ATTACK THAT WE'RE HEARING IN
ALL OF THESE INTERVIEWS RAND
PAUL HAS BEEN DOING SOME.
>> I'VE WRITTEN THE STANDARD
BIOGRAPHY OF A WOMAN IN CHARGE
OF HILLARY CLINTON, CAME OUT AS
SHE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT
THE LAST TIME.
LOOK, THERE WAS SOMETHING OF A
CO-PRESIDENCY IN THE CLINTON
YEARS AND IF SHE WERE TO BE
PRESIDENT, IT WOULD BE ANOTHER
CO-PRESIDENCY IN SOME WAYS.
SO BILL CLINTON'S ACTIONS, IT
SEEMS TO ME, ARE PERFECTLY FAIR
GAME, PARTICULARLY THAT HIS
PRINCIPAL DEFENDER INCLUDING HIS
LEGAL DEFENSE, DEFENSE IN
IMPEACHMENT WAS HIS WIFE,
HILLARY CLINTON.
SO IT'S FAIR GAME.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE OUGHT TO
REMEMBER THAT HE, CLINTON, IS
ABOUT THE MOST POPULAR POLITICAL
FIGURE IN THIS COUNTRY TODAY FOR
ALL KINDS OF INTERESTING
REASONS.
I'M NOT ONE, INCIDENTALLY, BASED
A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT I'M HEARING
AND A LITTLE BIT OF INSTINCT
ACTUAL NOTIONS I'M NOT CONVINCED
SHE'S GOING TO RUN FOR
PRESIDENT.
I THINK THE CHRISTIE THING MIGHT
HAVE MADE IT MORE LIKELY BUT
SHE'S LOOKING AT EVERY ASPECT OF
THIS, INCLUDING HER HEALTH,
HUSBAND'S HEALTH, THEY BOTH HAVE
TO BE HEALTHY IF SHE'S GOING TO
UNDERTAKE THIS RUN.
SHE'S NOT GOING TO UNDERTAKE A
RUN IF IT LOOKS TO THE CLINTONS
AS IF THERE'S A BIG CHANCE SHE
COULD BE BEATEN.
IT'S NOT A SURE THING SHE'S
RUNNING.
AND PEOPLE I KNOW WHO KNOW HER
WELL, AND THERE ARE VERY FEW WHO
SHE TALKS TO ABOUT THIS
QUESTION, IF ANY, BESIDE HER
HUSBAND IN TERMS OF WHAT SHE'S
REALLY GOING TO DO, BUT THERE
ARE SOME DOUBTS AMONG THOSE WHO
KNOW HER WELL SHE'S REALLY GOING
TO DO THIS AND SHE'S NOT GOING
TO MAKE A DECISION UNTIL WE GET
MUCH CLOSER TO THE EVENT.
>> YES.
IT IS ONLY FEBRUARY 2014.
CARL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
BEING HERE.
>>> WHEN WE COME BACK, I WANT TO
TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT
THAT, ABOUT RAND PAUL AND WHY IS
IT IN INTERVIEW AFTER INTERVIEW
HE KEEP BRINGING UP BILL
CLINTON'S LAST SCANDALS.
THAT PHRASE *** PREDATOR IS
IN A LOT OFS PRESS THIS WEEK.
COULD IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO
WITH HIS OWN HOPES.
>> IT'S NOT ENOUGH AND THAT IT
ISN'T D IFFERENT.
>>> WELCOME BACK.
WHEN BILL O'REILLY INTERVIEWED
THE PRESIDENT LAST WEEKEND THE
PRESIDENT HAD SAGE ADVICE FOR
FOX NEWS.
>> HERE'S WHAT YOU GUYS WILL
HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, WHAT ARE YOU
GOING TO DO WHEN I'M GONE?
>> I THINK WE ALREADY KNOW THE
ANSWER.
HER NAME IS HILLARY RODHAM
CLINTON.
A FEW HOURS AFTER THE
PRESIDENTIAL INTERVIEW CLINTON
HAD A FUN AT FOX NEWS' EXPENSE
ON TWITTER.
IT'S SO MUCH MORE FUN TO WATCH
FOX WHEN IT'S SOMEONE ELSE BEING
BLITZED AND SACKED, #SUPER BOWL.
FOX NOT THE ONLY VOICE OF
OPPOSITION TO OBAMA AND WOULDN'T
BE THE ONLY VOICE OF OPPOSITION
TO A CLINTON CANDIDACY EITHER.
RAND PAUL KEEPS BRINGING UP BILL
CLINTON IN INTERVIEWS AND KEEPS
PLAYING THE LEWINSKY CARD.
LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAID TO NEWS
MAX.
>> WOULD YOU CALL HIM AN
UNSAVORY CHARACTER?
>> A PREDATOR, *** PREDATOR
BASICALLY, REPETITIVE.
>> STRONG STUFF, VERY STRONG
STUFF, CONTROVERSIAL STUFF.
IN SEVERAL INTERVIEWS WE'VE
HEARD PAUL CALL IT A PACKAGE
DEAL.
I WANT TO SEE WHAT OUR GUESTS
THINK.
IS IT FAIR TO USE BILL TO GO
AFTER HILLARY.
SALLY KOHN, CNN'S POLITICAL
COMMENTATOR WILL CAIN FROM THE
LEFT AND RIGHT HERE.
YOU HEARD CARL BERNSTEIN SAY HE
THINKS IT IS FAIR GAME TO BRING
UP BILL CLINTON'S PAST.
DO YOU AS WELL?
>> I THINK IT'S FAIR GAME.
I GET IT FROM THE DEMOCRATIC
SIDE OF THE AISLE.
I GET BILL CLINTON AGAIN, THIS
IS 20 YEARS OLD.
HOWEVER, I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK
THIS IS A POLITICAL MANEUVER OF
RAND PAUL'S BEHALF.
IT'S ABOUT HYPOCRISY.
THE REPUBLICANS HAVE ENDURED
THIS FALSE WAR ON WOMEN AND
AFTER A WHILE YOU CHOKE ON THE
HYPOCRISY OF BILL CLINTON BEING
THE SPOKESMAN, THE KEYNOTE
SPEAKER OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
IF YOU ASK MOST AMERICANS
REGARDLESS OF PARTY AFFILIATION,
HERE IS YOUR PERSON PUTTING THIS
MESSAGE OUT THERE, CARDBOARD
CUTOUT, NO PARTY AFFILIATION OR
NAME, MOST LOOK AT THEM AND GO
THE GUY THAT HAD AN AFFAIR WITH
AN INTERN IN THE WORK PLACE THIS
IS HYPOCRITICAL.
>> SALLY?
>> YOU HAVE A LEGITIMATE POLICY
DRIVEN WAR ON WOMEN THAT
REPUBLICANS, INCLUDING RAND
PAUL, WHO IN THE SAME REMARK
SAID, I THINK WOMEN ARE WINNING
I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT MEN
ARE GOING THROUGH IN AMERICA WHO
REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE WAGE
GAPS, PRESSURE ON SINGLE MOMS,
WORKING MOTHERS ALL THESE THINGS
THAT REPUBLICAN POLICIES MADE
WORSE AND THE ATTACK ON ABORTION
AND CONTRACEPTION AND THEY WANT
TO DEFLECT FROM THIS WAR ON
WOMEN, THIS IDEA THAT WE CAN DO
THIS SUGGESTING THAT THE
DEMOCRATS HAVE ALL THESE
CANDIDATES AND POLITICAL LEADERS
WHO ARE PERSS SO WE DON'T TO
TALK ABOUT REPUBLICAN POLICIES
AS THOUGH THERE'S AN
EQUIVALENTSY BETWEEN THOSE.
>> DO YOU SEE NO HYPOCRISY OF
BILL CLINTON?
THE PAN WHO HAD AN AFFAIR WITH A
20-YEAR-OLD IN THE OVAL OFFICE?
NO HYPOCRISY.
>> I DIDN'T LIKE THE AFFAIR WITH
LEWINSKY AND STILL DON'T.
I DON'T LIKE WHAT SPITZER DID,
DON'T LIKE WHAT ANY OF THEM HAVE
DONE.
TO EQUIV CATE THAT WITH THE
POLICIES THAT REPUBLICANS ARE
CONTINUING TO PURSUE TO MAKE IT
HARDER FOR WOMEN TO CONTROL
THEIR BODIES AN ECONOMIC JUSTICE
THAT'S WHAT RAND PAUL IS TRYING
TO DEFLECT AWAY FROM.
>> I WONDER IF THE PRESS IS
GINING THIS UP MORE THAN
ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY WANT TO
BRING THESE STORY BACK INTO THE
NEWS.
>> CONFLICT MAKES FOR GOOD TV.
>> WE SAW THAT WITH BILL
O'REILLY AND PRESIDENT OBAMA
LAST WEEK.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> I THINK IN THE END WE HAVE A
TRUE AND REAL POLICY DIFFERENCE
THAT ON WHETHER OR NOT WOMEN
SHOULD BE ABLE TO ASK SOMEONE TO
PAY FOR THEIR CONTRACEPTION,
WHEN LIFE BEGIN, NOTHING TO
AMOUNT TO A WAR ON WOMEN AND
WHEN YOU DO THIS YOU EXPECT THIS
KIND OF REBUTTAL.
EXCUSE ME, BILL CLINTON IS YOUR
SPOKESMAN.
>> LET'S BE CLEAR, THE
REPUBLICANS GOT THIS TRAINING,
RIGHT.
THEY RAN TRAININGS FOR THE
REPUBLICAN MEN RUNNING AGAINST
WOMEN.
BECAUSE THEY NEED TRAINING ON
HOW TO RUN AGAINST WOMEN WITHOUT
SAYING OFFENSIVE THINGS.
CLEARLY I GUESS THE NEW ARSENAL
IN THE TOOLBOX THAT RAND PAUL IS
TRYING OUT IS, LET'S NOT
ACTUALLY HAVE A SENSIBLE
RESPECTFUL DEBATE WITH WOMEN
RUNNING FOR OFFICE ABOUT THEIR
POLICIES AND THEIR IDEAS LET'S
ATTACK THEIR HUSBANDS.
I'LL GO THAT RATE RUTH.
COME ON.
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE
OBAMA/O'REILLY INTERVIEW.
SOME ARE CALLING IT
DISRESPECTFUL.
DID YOU FEEL THE TONE WAS
APPROPRIATE?
>> NO.
IN 2011 --
>> SHOULDN'T THE PRESIDENT BE
ABLE TO TAKE --
>> IN 2011 O'REILLY
INTERRUPTED -- THIS IS WHO BILL
O'REILLY IS.
HE'S AN AGGRESSIVE INTERVIEWER.
I HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH
BILL, RESPECT HIM, IN 2011 HE
INTERRUPTED THE PRESIDENT 48
TIMES.
THIS TIME HE BE SOME COUNTS 42
TIMES OF A 2,500 WORD INTERVIEW.
BILL O'REILLY SPOKE 1,000 OF
THOSE WORDS.
MORE OF A DEBATE THAN IT IS AN
INTERVIEW.
>> THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT GREAT.
>> IT'S ON TV, RIGHT?
>> HE'S AGGRESSIVE AND ONE OF
THE BEST INTERVIEWERS.
NO REASON TO CURRY FAVOR FOR
BILL O'REILLY.
I DON'T WORK AT FOX OR KNOW THE
MAN.
THE NUMBER ONE TOOL OF
POLITICIANS IN AN INTERVIEW IS
FILIBUSTER.
SPEAK AS LONG AS YOU CAN, EXPOSE
YOURSELF TO AS FEW QUESTIONS AS
POSSIBLE.
BILL O'REILLY MOVES IT ALONG
MAKES IT A CONVERSATION, MAKES
IT A BACK AND FORTH.
YOU GET SOMETHING OUT OF HIS
INTERVIEWS --
>> I HAVE TO GIVE HIM CREDIT HE
COVERED HIS OWN INTERVIEW FIVE
NIGHTS IN A ROW.
ONE MORE TOPIC THE OLYMPICS
GOING ON IN SOCHI RUSSIA AND SAW
IN THE OPENING CEREMONY, NBC
EDIT OUT PART OF THE
ANTI-DISCRIMINATION STATEMENT
FROM THE HEAD OF THE IOC.
LET ME READ PART OF WHAT WAS
TAKEN OUT.
YES, IT IS POSSIBLE TO STRIVE
EVEN FOR THE GREATEST VICTORY
WITH RESPECT FOR THE DIGNITY OF
YOUR COMPETITORS.
YES YES, IT IS POSSIBLE EVEN AS
COMPETITORS TO LIVE TOGETHER
UNDER ONE ROOF IN HARMONY WITH
TOLERANCE AND WITHOUT ANY FORM
OF DISCRIMINATION FOR WHATEVER
REASON.
DID NBC MAKE A MISTAKE EDITING
THAT PART OUT OF THE OPENING
CEREMONIES?
>> THEY MADE A MISTAKE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AHEAD OF
TIME.
>> WE AGREE.
>> WHETHER OR NOT IT'S AN
INTENTIONAL MISTAKE.
>> I DON'T.
I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONE OF
THE MOST BORING ASPECTS NOT ONLY
THE OPENING CEREMONIES BUT THE
SPEECH BY THE IOC PRESIDENT.
HE DID TALK ABOUT TOLERANCE,
DIVERSITY.
THEY DID CUT OUT THE MOST
POINTED ASPECT BUT DON'T THINK
THEY WANT TO.
>> THIS IS THE GAYEST OPENING
CEREMONIES IN THE HISTORY OF THE
OLYMPICS EVER.
THIS IS NOT THE MOST INTERESTING
MOMENT.
YOU HAVE THIS SUBTEXT OF NBC
TAKING HEAT AS THEY SHOULD BE
FOR BROADCASTING THESE OLYMPICS
THAT ARE HAPPENING IN A COUNTRY
THAT HAS THESE INCREDIBLY
VICIOUS ATROCIOUS ANTI-GAY LAWS
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T THINK
WE SHOULD BE HAVING THE OLYMPICS
THERE AT ALL.
THEY HAVE THAT HEAT CUTTING
THIS, INCIDENTAL, ON PURPOSE, IT
CERTAINLY IS A CONVENIENT WAY TO
AVOID HAVING TO TALK ABOUT IT.
>> NBC SAID IT WAS FOR TIME
REASONS.
BUT THE FACT THAT THE QUESTIONS
GET ASKED SHOWS WHY.
SALLY AND WILL, THANK YOU FOR
BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> AFTER A BREAK, CHRISTIANE
AMANPOUR JOINS ME.
SHE IS ANGRY AND YOU WANT TO
HEAR WHY.
STAY TUNED.
>>> WELCOME BACK.
WHEN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
EGYPTIANS FILLED TAHIR SQUARE
DURING THE ARAB SPRING MANY
DREAMED OF DEMOCRACY BUT THE
LATEST NEWS COMING OUT OF CAIRO
IS TROUBLING.
EGYPT'S MILITARY LEADERS HAVE
FORMALLY CHARGED 20 JOURNALISTS
WITH AIDING TERRORISTS.
CHIEF INTERNATIONAL
CORRESPONDENT CHRISTIANE
AMANPOUR SAYS JOURNALISTS
EVERYWHERE SHOULD BE ANGRY ABOUT
WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
I SPOKE WITH HER A SHORT TIME
AGO.
CHRISTIAN, THANK YOU FOR JOINING
ME.
>> MY PLEASURE.
>> THE HEAD OF AL JAZEERA
ENGLISH SAYS THAT THIS CURRENT
SITUATION IS A THREAT TO
JOURNALISM ITSELF.
DO YOU AGREE IT'S THAT SERIOUS?
>> LOOK, I REALLY DO AGREE.
LOOK, WE HAVE AN UNPRECEDENTED
NUMBER OF JOURNALISTS IN EGYPT,
FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, WHO HAVE
BEEN CHARGED WITH, GET THIS,
TERRORISM.
I MEAN, GIVE ME A BREAK.
IT IS THE LAST REFUGE OF AN
AUTHORITARIAN DICTATORIAL REGIME
WHETHER IN EGYPT OR WHEREVER IT
IS WHO DOESN'T WANT THE TRUTH
TOLD.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IN EGYPT IS
THAT JOURNALISTS, WHETHER THEY
BE FROM AL JAZEERA, CNN, BBC,
OR, INDEED, EGYPTIAN JOURNALISTS
ARE BEING FORCED INTO PARTISAN
POSITIONS.
IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW SLAVISHLY
THE MILITARY GOVERNMENT LINE IN
EGYPT, YOU ARE DEEMED A
TERRORIST.
IF YOU TRY TO BE OBJECTIVE IN
YOUR COVERAGE, YOU ARE DEEMED A
TERRORIST.
I MEAN, IT IS TERRIBLE WHAT'S
HAPPENING THERE.
IT IS SILENCING THE TRUTH.
>> TO HEAR CHARGES OF AIDING
TERRORISTS THAT MUST HAVE A
CHILLING EFFECT ON THE
JOURNALISTS STILL THERE TRYING
TO COVER
THAT STORY.
>> EXACTLY..
THAT'S WHY THERE IS LITTLE
OBJECTIVE JOURNALISM COMING OUT
OF THERE.
I SAID TWO CAMPS BUT IT'S ONE
CAMP RIGHT NOW.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FORCED TO TAKE
SIDES IN ORDER TO BE SAFE AND
NOT TO GO TO PRISON.
WHEREVER YOU LOOK, JOURNALISTS
ARE IN THE CROSSHAIRS MORE THAN
I HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED.
>> WHY DOES IT MATTER THAT
JOURNALISTS ARE IN THE
CROSSHAIRS?
>> WELL, IT MATTERS A LOT
BECAUSE AS THOUGH WE MAY BE
VIEWED AS PESKY, UNWELCOME
INTRUDERS, WHETHER IN WESTERN
DEMOCRACIES OR IN DICTATORSHIPS,
WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO GO OUT
THERE WITH A MISSION TO TELL THE
TRUTH.
IT IS ACTUALLY AS SIMPLE AS
THAT.
WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO UNCOVER
CORRUPTION AND INJUSTICE AND TRY
TO TELL THE WORLD WHAT IS GOING
ON.
WE ARE THE EYES AND EARS, THE
EYEWITNESSES TO WHAT IS GOING ON
IN THE WORLD AT THE TIME.
>> ONE OF THE AL JAZEERA
JOURNALISTS IS IN PRISON,
MOHAMMED FAMI.
USED TO WORK AT CNN.
DID YOU EVER CROSS PATHS WITH
HIM?
>> I DID.
HE'S DONE A LOT OF PRODUCING
WORK FOR ME, MY PROGRAM, AS WELL
AS WHEN I WAS ON THE GROUND IN
EGYPT.
AND AGAIN, FOR 38 DAYS, HE WAS
HELD IN JAIL ALONG WITH SOME OF
THE OTHERS, AND WAS NOT CHARGED.
NO ACCESS TO FAMILY OR LAWYERS.
HE APPARENTLY HAS AN INJURY IN
HIS SHOULDER, AND HE HAS NOT
BEEN ABLE TO HAVE ANY MEDICAL
CARE.
BY ANY STANDARDS, THIS IS A
VIOLATION OF EVERY LAW AND OF
ALL DECENCY.
AND THIS IS JUST A JOURNALIST.
IT IS NOT SOMEBODY OUT THERE
WITH A WEAPON OTHER THAN HIS
CAMERA AND HIS PENCIL.
AND IT IS JUST UTTERLY
UNACCEPTABLE, AND THESE PEOPLE
MUST BE RELEASED.
OUR GOVERNMENTS, PARTICULARLY
THOSE WHO HAVE MAJOR DEALINGS
WITH EGYPT AND UPON WHOM EGYPT
RELIES OUGHT TO BE READING THE
EGYPTIAN AUTHORITIES THE RIOT
ACT OVER THIS.
>> CHRISTIANE, THANK YOU FOR
PUTTING THE SPOTLIGHT ON THIS
FOR US.
>> THANKS, BRIAN.
THANK YOU.
>> KNELL CARTER UP NEXT WITH
LENO TO FALLON.
>>> WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
HERE'S A QUESTION -- WHY IN THE
WORLD WOULD ANY NETWORK FIRE ITS
NUMBER-ONE STAR TWICE?
TALKING ACT JAY LENO AND NBC.
THIS WAS HIS LAST WEEK HOSTING
"THE TONIGHT SHOW."
I TALKED TO THE GUY WHO
LITERALLY WROTE THE BOOK, BILL
CARTER OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES,"
ABOUT WHAT WENT WRONG.
WELCOME, BILL.
>> NICE TO BE WITH YOU, BRIAN.
>> NBC TRIED THIS ONCE BEFORE.
A FEW YEARS AGO YOU WROTE ABOUT
THIS, IT BACKFIRED SO BADLY.
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY'RE TRYING
THIS AGAIN?
>> IT REALLY IS THE SAME
MOTIVATION, WHICH IS FIND
ANOTHER GENERATION OF HOST.
AND I THINK THEY JUMPED THE GUN
ON JAY THE LAST TIME.
THEY SAID WE'LL GIVE YOU FIVE
MORE YEARS.
>> THAT WAS 2004.
>> BY THEN HE'S BOUND TO BE
WRAPPING UP, MAYBE HE WON'T BE
NUMBER ONE ANYMORE.
BUT HE WAS.
THAT SORT OF DEFIED
EXPECTATIONS, SO THEY WERE
STUCK.
THEY'D ALREADY GUARANTEED THE
SHOW TO CONAN AND THEY WERE IN A
BOX AND WENT AHEAD WITH THIS
CRAZY IDEA, WHICH WAS INVENTED
BY YOUR PRESENT BOSS,
MR. ZUCKER.
TO PUT HIM IN PRIME TIME.
IT WOUND UP NOT WORKING.
>> IS THERE A DIFFERENCE WITH
JIMMY FALLON VERSUS CONAN
O'BRIEN?
IS JIMMY BETTER THAN CONAN WAS?
>> BETTER IS RELATIVE.
PEOPLE LIKE A COMEDIAN FOR
CERTAIN THINGS.
I THINK BOTH GUYS ARE FUNNY.
CONAN ALWAYS MADE ME LAUGH.
JIMMY MAKES ME LAUGH.
THERE'S A FEELING AT NBC THAT
FALLON IS A BROADER TALENT, HAS
A BROADER APPEAL.
WE'LL SEE IF IT'S TRUE.
THEY CERTAINLY FELT CONAN COULD
DO IT.
HIS PEOPLE WOULD TELL YOU IF HE
HAD MORE TIME HE WOULD HAVE DONE
IT.
I THINK THERE'S MORE CONFIDENCE
AT NBC THAT FALLON HAS A BROADER
BASED APPEAL THAN CONAN DID.
>> MAYBE THEY'VE LEARNED FROM
THE MISTAKES FIVE YEARS AGO?
>> HOW DO YOU LEARN UNTIL YOU
SEE WHAT HAPPENS?
WE DON'T KNOW.
WE CAN'T TELL.
I THINK THEY FEEL MORE CONFIDENT
THAN THEY DID.
BY THE WAY, JAY WAS YOUNGER THEN
TOO.
HE WAS 59.
NOW HE'S 63.
IT DOES SEEM LIKE A TIME FOR
MAYBE THAT DECISION TO BE MADE.
I CAN REMEMBER ANOTHER TIME
NUMBER-ONE GUY WAS TAKEN OFF,
WALTER CRONKITE WAS NUMBER ONE.
THEY FORCED HIM OFF THE AIR
BECAUSE HE HAD HIT 65.
IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.
>> WAS THAT THE RIGHT CHOICE IN
RETROSPECT?
>> ACTUALLY, DAN RATHER DID WIN
FAR WHILE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT CERTAINLY HAS
ALWAYS BEEN A DIFFICULT DECISION
TO MAKE WHEN DOES A GUY NEED TO
BE REPLACED JUST BECAUSE OF HIS
AGE, NOT BECAUSE OF HIS APPEAL
OR TALENT.
>> LET'S PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE
BEING NUMBER ONE.
SO HARD TO GET TO FIRST PLACE
AND ONCE YOU'RE IN IT, YOU WANT
TO HANG ON AS LONG AS YOU CAN.
>> YES.
THE ONE THING YOU CAN SAY ABOUT
JAY IS THAT WAS HIS GOAL TO STAY
NUMBER ONE AND HE DID IT ALL THE
WAY TO THE END.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS HE
GETS CRITICISM FOR CERTAIN
THINGS ABOUT HIS ACT, YOU HAVE
TO SAY HE SUCCEEDED AT WHAT HE
WANTED TO BE, THE TOP GUY IN
LATE NIGHT.
>> FOR NBC, WHY NOT WAIT UNTIL
HIS POM LAIR TI STARTS TO WANE?
>> WHO SAYS THAT WILL EVER
HAPPEN?
I THINK THEY DIDN'T NO -- DIDN'T
MAKE THE MOVE AFTER HE STARTED
TO SLIDE BECAUSE THEN YOU LOSE
THE AUDIENCE.
JOHNNY WAS NUMBER ONE WHEN HE
LEFT.
THAT WAS ON HIS OWN TERMS BUT HE
WAS NUMBER ONE.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE
MOVE BEFORE THE GUY STARTS TO
FADE.
>> MAKING TELEVISION NETWORK
EXECUTIVE LIVE SOUND VERY
DIFFICULT.
>> IT'S NEVE EASY, BUT THEY'RE
WELL PAID.
>> YOU'RE THE WORLD'S AUTHORITY
ON THIS.
YOU'VE WRITTEN TWO BOOKS ABOUT
LATE NIGHT.
IS THIS A GOOD MOVE?
>> I THINK IT IS.
I THINK FALLON IS A GOOD TALENT,
THE RIGHT TALENT.
JAY HAS SAID THE SAME THING.
I DO THINK HE'S THE RIGHT GUY.
>> HE HAS BEEN VERY GENEROUS TO
JIMMY IN INTERVIEWS.
>> HE WAS GENEROUS TO CONAN.
HE'S NOT GOING TO SAY SOMETHING
FOOLISH.
I KNEW AT THE TIME JAY WAS
UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
I THINK HE'S MORE COMFORTABLE
WITH THIS BECAUSE OF THE TIMING.
WOULD HE STAY IF HE WAS ASKED?
OF COURSE HE WOULD.
HE NEVER WANTS TO STOP WORKING.
BUT I THINK HE RECOGNIZES THIS
MAKES SENSE, THEY'VE DONE IT THE
RIGHT WAY, HE'S SUPPORTIVE OF
FALLON AND I THINK FALLON HAS A
VERY GOOD CHANCE TO BE THE
NUMBER ONE GUY.
>> THAT'S ALL FOR "RELIABLE
SOURCES."
"STATE OF THE UNION" WITH CANDY
CROWLEY STARTS RIGHT NOW.