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so l talking about and health care reform here what
what what's the what's happening lately
well if you know the article that i wrote probably i was just about how
healthcare is obvious to the number one issue on capitol hill right allen's
probably for good reading bus sue because of that there are other things
that uh... a lot of other priorities that's congress wants to address at arts
dean push a little bit to the back burner
and so wild that health care debate goes on there's a real there's a real cost of
that step down
philippine quick lime attend legislation like the financial regulatory overall
which i think you were just talking about a few minutes ago
in other thing together potential negative impact on capitol hill because
come all the private health care
so i've you know if it's a tricky balancing act for congress i think they
they
still to their priority but they got to keep their eye on some other issues as
well
cn elsa
as al is i was reading your piece i was getting worried that that was going to
be an excuse for a lot of people to say hey we have other priorities
look but you know let's move on
because i'd as you can tell from earlier pete segment that i did
they don't really trust the
motivation of the senators and congressmen
so is there any chance that this is some sort of tactic to you know scuttle
health care reform
uh... well i think i'm going to whose whose banker eight ok yesterday for the
republicans were
are criticizing the emphasis on health care saying that the president
refocusing on off afghanistan
and i think they're clearly provoked a strong possibility that there could you
not to delay tactics but
somebody the other guy if you know they uh... it's a good faith worried public
him over starts but a lot common transportation and really want to move
bills
that here i don't think you got trying to go healthcare if you try to point out
that you know very fat there's a quote delayed by an affair with another thing
a bit about the much-debated disagree at all with
with health care plan
when you have max baucus taking you know what his track on a modern on there's a
they're caught author an applicant you've got to worry about ideal
hundred-percent him experts and
given that you know that some of the players are john carryanne
mostly local issue his motivations on healthcare does when you're done in fact
as you point out to be able to get it done a little quicker right so they can
move on other things but that lisa larger point of innocent why can't you
just do all this stuff and don't mean to be simplistic
but the hostages pass anything it wants are almost
uh... at their leisure or and that i know this pile up in the senate but
up isn't what i'm trying to get isn't it
conservative democrats that are bottling everything up enough republicans
considerable guns
literally don't have a say with sexy democrats in the democratic nearly six
senators and democratic caucus
you know that
separate question that these certainly seemed to be the case it doesn't even
death
you know with forty both the republican convict rubble and a couple times down
but know they are not
at the democratic caucus was with adding up on the twenty eight they would really
be able to move towards more quickly with some of the things insights i mean
harried was a real leader
and he said
look here's where imbue would have opened downloads on everything and eats
one hundred-percent okay to be a democrat vote against some of these
things you know my cap and trade that's
a reasonable position at a really but it's a reasonable position making you
vote no but here's what you're not allowed to do if you're in the
democratic caucus joined republican filibuster
marry by it
i don't think they can continue like that and i i i i frankly don't think he
likely to for some reason the was just the way it works but they are not found
negotiable on television
middle hitler etc
that that predatory quote but what happened
well it's all the question is why does that work that way because you and i
both understand the rules of the senate and we know that
could work exactly as we just outline right if you had a leader who cared to
do it that way and then you could have your of oh and i think haven't read my
flat loose of on up-and-down vote
okay have but you would disagree with you would have your vote on on that
issue you would have the vote on health care and all and although the wasiyu
mentioning your article
of so that leads me to believe that harry
does not want to go down that path and the reason he doesn't want to lose
because people in this caucus a no-no i'd get paid by a lobbyist
and not in a lot of these tell me too slow all this down to try to kill as
much of this change as possible
it's not the reality of what's happening in the senate
well bom them i think
that more indicate some computer issues bands and others
you know print print on transportation it if anything about the operative word
the trucking industry lobbyists are actually pushing to get this dot that
they want this bill passed
and uh... they are not getting their way but on something like the regulatory
before me
there clearly lobbyists are you know pushing again for the president proposed
and what does those democratic leadership on but they also
yeah i mean they're going to put your site but it also cut for class
says it does so i hear is a you know and and that's why we're having this
conversation so here's a kid anyway the disco listeners and viewers him
uh... tell which fills a get done and then tell you about
we'll see if that's how it turns out
it might guess is that they saw what you're saying here that the
transportation bill will get done no problem
because the lobbyists are in favor of it so he had made a little while but you
will definitely get done
whereas the ones that are being oppose the financial industry regulation health
care reform with the public option
cabin trade they will take as oval office longer and will be watered down
and perhaps not done at all
yet at the and although in connection with that with the exception of cap and
trade
will get done and kevin could make it down as well but i think that it it
really it
it what form they take it not too much whether they happen at all i mean at
this point pathetic example transportation bill that have to pat
there has to be a transportation bill
exit at all in the details right now
what money is going well and how much
so uh... yet though i mean you're right enders says there's going to be
the canadian interesting paul that the other thing of what happened at the
alchemist prioritize because her later they're going out there going to catch
up with health care a couple one coming out then
i don't know right now what would it be an open house
alright al final question for you do you think that the press is not do hard
enough job before you know
but challenging the senators and these congressmen nearly enough
because we take them at their face value when they say although they wanted to
know
look into a little bill a little bit more right you know
or whatever it might be
that we
pretend that what they're saying is true what we all in fact no it's not true at
all
a great motivation certainly for the corpus democrats for almost all the
republicans
is that the
care most about the people who pay their protects the lobbyists
well pretty predictable but i think that it it
spirit left room for some senators and others are there are a lot of people
in congress who are working on deficient in that day and uh... article at the
time you buy this is uh... i think that the public you too
um... it uh... it but it but you get there and i think that it is a
sent a very difficult to strike but there's just this scent of another ship
sometimes and i felt that
is very hard to overcome and i i am par that is due to the rolled over to pick
up and the fact that there are that that makes it so easy for ample senators
percolating
uh... man from a vicious does uh... a lack of leadership and uh...
about leadership it really is just come down to hear the president or as
majority leader or the speaker defects are telling me personally interesting to
move on that
and done so far expert on healthcare that haven't necessarily been there gem
canceled c_n_n_ probably a little too much for the purpose of this interview
and was in this context that
it's
i feel that every story written about
these issues should have an explanation
of who pays the congressmen and senators
because without that explanation then their readers just smack in the four
full view of the picture
well addie and i i think
that he was perhaps more complicated and that you're right for some people there
certainly by revolving-door culture of people going from congressional offices
too
lobbying firms but you have someone you know like barney frank of the
congressman that we read about a lot like i think it pecan some pretty
trumped up to prevent that from happening in his uh... and his office
though do you know it it
picked up it's more complicated and i think they're all sort of in a pot of
lobbying no no no no that's not title agree with that but i want cover both
sides
whereas mathematics and stories that i read
ninety eight out of our news stories i read doesn't cover that side of it at
all
face with the politicians they face value you should think that that's
important i am not dismissing it and i think the daredevil partitions like
bernie sanders who are and russ feingold and i can name a couple others ron paul
on the republican side
will you know our artist about what they say
but you gotta cover both sides of the whys that you don't did not
you're not gonna full picture but that's interest in this context it's not as
just because you're strong about senators and congressmen who do want to
get things done
are frustrated by product
but yesterday at the very tricky but the man w what you're talking about those
are part
our truth excited at the vet do you think they really do
are confronted with a bit if the president of the republicans were
combined
absolutely alright al thanks so much for joining us on the disregard for your
time