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On tonight's show we have Parks and Rec's Adam Scott,
from Comic Book Men, Bryan Johnson,
and Badger himself, Matt Jones.
I'm Chris Hardwick and this is Talking Bad.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
Welcome to Talking Bad.
We are therapeutically getting you through these last couple episodes.
There's a lot to get into tonight.
Heisenberg is making headlines.
Saul chose Nebraska over Belize. I don't know if we'll ever see him again.
Flynn got called to the principal's office. That didn't go well.
Ad Todd went from creepy to "Are you effing kidding me?" in just one episode.
Please help me welcome my guests, Bryan Johnson, Adam Scott
and Badger himself, Matt Jones.
So here's a very quick announcement.
I hope I am spoiling this for you. The Emmys were tonight,
and so far, Breaking Bad editor Kelley Dixon won an Emmy,
Anna Gunn for Best Supporting Actress in a Drama Series
and Breaking Bad won for Best Outstanding Drama Series. Congratulations to everyone.
That's why we're here talking about it,
because it is a damn good show.
So let us just jump right in.
Matt Jones, what is going through Walt's head
as he watches his ex-partners on television?
When he's watching the Gray Matter guys?
The Gray Matter, yeah, the Schwartzes.
I think that that's the point where he goes into...
She says the specific thing where she says, "He's such a sweet, nice guy."
And I think that's the thing in the earlier season
that made him so mad and pissed off.
He hates when people think he's sweet.
Right.
So that gave him the impetus to now be back to Heisenberg.
He'd given up at that point when he's sitting at the bar. He's, like, done.
And then he sees someone calling him a sweet, nice, you know, doormat,
and he's like, "Nope."
Yeah, 'cause I've always... Vince always said,
"Oh, this is about Mr. Chips turning into Scarface,"
and I think that definitely manifests throughout this.
Well, Vince probably knows 'cause he invented it in his head.
But I really do think that it's about a guy trying to find significance.
Yeah.
And whenever someone challenges his significance, he goes into Heisenberg mode.
Do you think he's gonna go after the Schwartzes now,
I don't.
But I think that Gray Matter is the key to everything.
I think Gray Matter, for Walt, is what kicked all of this off,
whether it was latent or not.
I think when we had the flashbacks early in the series,
like he and Skyler looking at the house
and he was in sort of Gray Matter mode in his leather jacket
and he's really cocky, looking around the house like this is maybe too small
or this is a nice temporary home for a while.
And then the other flashback when he's talking with Mrs. Schwartz,
and doing a formula up on the board, he's just like a rockstar.
And so I think him missing out on the Gray Matter opportunity is the key to Heisenberg.
And I think we saw that Heisenberg was always there.
HARDWICK: Yeah.
And so I think all of the greed and the money
is all tied in with Gray Matter.
So I think this kind of turning him back into Heisenberg
makes total sense.
Well, yeah, because he does say...
That line that you see in the commercials over and over again
where he says, "I'm in the empire business."
And that's essentially what Gray Matter is.
This sort of technology empire, but...
I think what really got him upset was, like,
"Oh, my God, I could have been on Charlie Rose."
Yeah.
I know. They basically just lied to Charlie Rose
and said he had no contribution to Gray Matter other than the name.
They lied to Charlie Rose, that's why he's pissed off.
It's weird that... It's weird that Walt's...
That he's famous now, don't you think, Bryan?
Uh, it is.
As much as any, like, villain can be famous. Like Saul said earlier,
you know, you could be like Dillinger.
But he forgets that back then, there wasn't really much going on.
There was no Internet, there was no TV,
so people, they loved to use their imaginations
and sort of glamorize villains and bad guys.
You don't really do it so much anymore.
But isn't it funny... Can you imagine that if you went away from Albuquerque
for two years and then you came back and someone was like,
"Hey, guess what? The high school chemistry teacher was a drug kingpin."
"What? Really?" "Yeah, get this.
"He killed off the guy who owned the chicken stand."
"Are you kidding?" "Yeah, guess who their lawyer was.
"The guy from TV!"
Like everyone on the show who was a major player
was always hiding in plain sight.
I'd accuse him of being on ***.
I'd be like, "You're nuts, that did not happen."
I think it's crazy that
Heisenberg has grown to this national recognition
through Charlie Rose and it also parallels
people actually watching the show in real life.
HARDWICK: That is really interesting.
Because for me, I feel like a lot of people
didn't really start watching the show till Season 3.
I mean, yeah, about a couple of years ago
when people started screaming "Badger" at me in the streets.
You're part of TV history now.
You're part of an Emmy Award-winning television show.
And you're gonna be Badger for a really long time.
I know. The... (STAMMERS)
Oh, thank you.
You really are great on the show.
So is he, and so is he.
You guys are all awesome.
No, but right around Season 3 is when I realized,
I was, like, "Oh, my God, I'm on The Sopranos.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I'm not Big *** or anything.
I'm more like the guy that used to be on Doogie Howser.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you and I were on a cartoon together on Nickelodeon.
So it's really funny to hear your voice every time we do that show.
I expect you to go, (MIMICS) "Hey, Sanjay, you wanna make some crystal?"
Yeah, yeah.
Well, the conversation about tonight's show is just beginning.
We want to hear from you guys at home.
We're gonna read your questions and comments and answer phone calls.
Tweet us @TalkingBadAMC
or have the town drunk at your local bar
call us toll-free at 1-855-535-8800.
Later in the show, Vince Gilligan's gonna deliver
his very last next week's fix,
an exclusive tease about the series finale. We will be right back.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
Welcome back to Talking Bad. I'm Chris Hardwick
back with Bryan Johnson, Adam Scott and Matt Jones.
I want to give you guys a quick timeline of this episode
'cause we jumped ahead a bit.
This episode ends right where the last one left off.
The first time we see Jesse...
Where we first see Jesse, he's right when he arrives at the Nazis' camp.
Skyler's at the DEA office a couple of days later.
Walt stayed at the vacuum repair shop for just a couple days.
Walt's trip across the country took three days.
The second Jesse scene is after being at the Nazi camp for a week.
The Nazi camp? The *** brotherhood? I don't know.
And Walt spends three to four months in New Hampshire
and he leaves a couple of days before his birthday.
So if you guys remember the flash-forward that we saw,
we're assuming it was on his 52nd birthday
so we believe that this episode
ends a couple of days before that one picked up.
So that's where we're at right now.
Let's talk about Jesse for a sec.
That poor kid has been punched in the face so many times.
Why can't he catch a break?
And what do you think it was that botched the escape, Adam?
You know, it was crazy watching it.
I thought he was going to die when he was up against the fence,
'cause I just figured, what other option do those guys have?
And Jack has been wanting to kill him, and weirdly,
Todd has saved Jesse now, twice,
HARDWICK: Yeah.
And seems to really care for him,
and is very gentle with him,
when he's not just beating the hell out of him.
HARDWICK: Right.
It's really, really strange.
I guess it's the barbed wire and the security camera
HARDWICK: They probably got him.
Yeah, the Todd thing is really funny because he...
The Andrea thing tonight was so upsetting,
'cause I watch a couple hours before we do the show,
and it happened and I had to stop watching for a second
because I did not... I didn't really...
I understand what the plot point was in the show,
but it really upset me a lot.
How did you feel, Bryan?
I mean, if I were Jesse at this point, I would...
If I made my escape, I would never date another girl.
Jane dies, now Andrea dies.
I mean, how do you ever recover from something like that?
He might not be thinking about dating at the moment.
(ALL LAUGHING)
But do you think it was Walt or Jesse that's responsible for...
What do you guys think? Let's go down the line.
Honestly, I think it's Jesse's fault.
Yeah.
So, with the botched...
Yeah, I do.
With the botched escape, the reason why he didn't get out
is 'cause he never thinks with his head.
He's the heart and Walt is the brains, right?
So he does everything very impulsively
and he just does whatever he feels at that moment.
So, at the moment, with Andrea,
he wasn't thinking correctly and he just ran away
so they brought him to the house,
and the reason why she's dead is 'cause he's weak.
And I know it's a terrible thing to say, but...
HARDWICK: You're supposed to be his friend, Badger.
(ALL LAUGHING)
But everything that's bad that's happened to Jesse
is because he's weak and Walt is strong.
And that doesn't mean it's not evil, but...
HARDWICK: You agree with that, Adam?
Well, I think that everything is...
I mean, everything that's happening is ultimately Walt's fault.
We can throw a blanket over everything that's happened.
If you'd have really parsed it out
in really, kind of, individualized... Yeah.
This is Jesse's fault because he screwed up his escape.
But him being there...
The association with Jack and those guys in the first place...
Yeah, but Jesse could've walked away so many times,
and he didn't 'cause he wanted to be hardcore.
Because... Well, not only that, but he loved Walt.
He was like his dad.
HARDWICK: You know who has the highest body count?
Vince Gilligan, the silent assassin.
Yeah, it's his fault.
He smiles at you and then he murders everyone on the show.
"Vince, you've taken so many people away from me."
We have a caller.
What's your name and where are you calling from?
Hi. I'm Sebastian from Des Moines, Iowa, and my question is,
what career path do you think Saul's gonna take now
with his new life in Nebraska?
(LAUGHING) What career path is Saul gonna take?
I think he probably hit it on the head.
Yeah.
He was, like, "I'll be managing a..."
A Cinnabon.
I think that's shooting too high.
I think he's gonna start at assistant manager
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
I think a used-car salesman.
In this day and age, though,
those Saul Goodman commercials would be huge on YouTube.
Someone would spot that guy and they would know that that was Saul Goodman.
***.
(LAUGHING)
Thank you, Sebastian from Des Moines, Iowa, for calling.
"Do you think Walt regrets..." This is from Trey on Facebook.
"Do you think Walt regrets going into the *** business now that..."
He keeps saying it's for his family,
"This is for you, this is for the family,"
but I feel like the family thing to do would be what Saul said, which is,
"You're probably not gonna live that much longer,
"just turn yourself in and set your family free,"
but he just won't do it. What do you think, Bryan?
I really believe that...
Walt's mind is scrambled at this point.
I don't know if the toxins or the fumes got to him, but, like you said,
he said, so many times, "I'm doing this for my family."
Everything shows the opposite,
that he's doing it for himself and his own ego.
And now he's just been living like Jack Torrance style
in the mountains, all freaking out.
Coming up, Vince Gilligan has an exclusive look at next week's series finale,
so we'll be right back with some of that.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
Welcome back to Talking Bad. I'm Chris Hardwick.
Whether they're cooking at 72% or Heisenberg levels,
the show's colorful characters have always been the key elements
that make up Breaking Bad.
So sit back, relax, and respect the chemistry.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
Welcome back to Talking Bad.
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don't forget to go to BBaddict.com
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I'm back with Bryan Johnson, Adam Scott and Matt Jones.
Really quickly, just... I kinda jumped off-topic off of Todd,
which I'm still...
I think Todd is, in his mind, just like...
He's kind of a pragmatist in the sense that he only kills people
when he feels like they're in the way of something that needs to get done.
He seems, like, cold, and I kept calling him "*** Spock"
because he's this weirdly logical...
I don't obviously agree with what he does, but I mean...
'Cause he does... He could just kill everyone if he wanted to.
Yeah. I think if you watch his reaction
when they're watching Jesse's confession tape
and he starts talking about what Todd did to the kid on the motorcycle,
his reaction is amusement and pride. That's what I saw.
HARDWICK: Like, "He's talking about me."
Yeah. Like, "Look, he's talking about me on the TV."
And he's...
And he's kind of proud that his uncle's there to witness...
"Yeah, see, I've done good.
"We have to take care of this problem, but this is something..."
And it kinda makes sense for him to keep Jesse alive,
because he's the only one that can get the ***
of the purity that they needed.
SCOTT: Yeah.
It seems like he makes these weirdly horrible but logical decisions.
Why do you think he didn't just kill Skyler?
'Cause he respects Walt so much.
I think he has this weird thing, I was just saying,
that he thinks, at any moment,
him and Jesse and Walt will all be friends again,
and they'll go have a beer and hang out.
Like, I really don't think he sees that much of a problem
Yeah.
It's just kind of a bump in the road in their relationship.
Like when Hank was killed and Walt had that
moment on the ground when he was crying,
and you see that Todd is really uncomfortable
and is feeling something, but you're not quite sure what it is,
and it doesn't seem like he was quite sure what it was.
HARDWICK: Yeah, he definitely has...
Whatever thing that humans are supposed to feel
because they were hugged as babies, Todd didn't have that thing.
Um, do you think Skyler would give up any info, Bryan,
if she had any info on Walt?
Uh, absolutely not. No way.
HARDWICK: You don't see it even at this point?
No, because she's... To Todd, she's, um...
HARDWICK: No, to Todd or to the authorities...
You give it to the cops and Todd finds out the kids are dead.
So I think she places too much value on the kids
to talk to anybody at this point.
Plus, she has to be appreciative that Walt made that call, and...
HARDWICK: Yeah, she should really be a little more grateful
She kinda should be.
She must be psyched.
I mean, she's really excited.
No, but this is a question from...
Don Adams wants to know, uh,
"Walt left Skyler high and dry.
"Do you think she regrets not coming with him when he asked?"
You know, I was talking about it,
I was saying that I think Skyler is the definition of denial.
You know what I mean? So if she had said something out loud then it doesn't...
If she doesn't say something out loud, then it didn't happen.
HARDWICK: Well, that's interesting.
So now that... She would never say anything about it
or talk about what happened,
'cause she doesn't want to admit that she ever did any of these things.
Because, I mean, her husband was dealing *** for, what,
three seasons, and she didn't know?
That's denial. You know what I mean?
Yeah.
But I also feel like, that she, in a lot of cases,
made some of the hardest decisions on the show
to sort of keep, at least for Flynn,
the appearance of, like, "We're still a normal family."
So we'll talk a little bit more later,
especially in the after-show, the Internet version,
when we have a little more time to talk.
You guys probably remember that we have these amazing posters
all over the set from Breaking Bad Art Project.
We change them every week.
Well, we commissioned a new one called Breaking Bad Upon the Mount,
(APPLAUSE)
It's a limited edition of 300. It's going on sale at BreakingBadStore.com
tomorrow at noon, Eastern.
And while you're there, you can buy their official merchandise,
(LAUGHTER)
This is like... "This Heisenberg necklace. You got two minutes left."
No, you can buy it forever,
and everyone in the studio audience is getting one as well.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
And this art is all so awesome.
The artist, Scott Campbell, is amazing
and I own two of his pieces, so you should check that out online.
Coming up, Vince teases next week's series finale.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
My name is Walter Hartwell White.
This is not an admission of guilt.
Are we in the *** business or the money business?
I'm in the empire business.
(SCREAMING)
(EXPLOSION)
"34, 59, 20, 106, 36, 52."
"34, 59, 20, 106, 36, 52."
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
Welcome back to Talking Bad. I'm here with Bryan Johnson, Adam Scott and Matt Jones.
I'm staring at this giant, weirdly uncut pizza right here,
in the middle of the table,
and it just reminds me of the scene
Mmm-hmm.
And how such a different show,
we're in now, in the moments where it's like,
"Oh, I'm a drug dealer, but I just threw a pizza on the roof."
Like, stuff got crazy.
There's one week to go before Breaking Bad disappears
like I called the vacuum repair guy.
So I present to you our final exclusive tease from Vince Gilligan himself.
Please enjoy next week's fix.
Hi, I'm Vince Gilligan, and now, sadly,
there is only one episode left
in the final season of Breaking Bad.
And it is time for next week's fix for you fans.
Our last episode is titled "Felina,"
and as some of you have already figured out,
that's an anagram for "finale."
And I got one word for you with this episode.
"Wood-working."
Or is that two words? Anyway, one episode left.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
Oh, he's wearing a black shirt!
What does it mean? Well, you can't say anything,
so you just have to sit there silently
Okay.
Bryan, what do you think's gonna happen? Adam, what's going on?
What do you think's gonna happen?
(SIGHS)
I think it's gonna fade to black, like Sopranos.
I mean, what else could you do?
What other resolution could be...
Is it gonna fade to white? (LAUGHS)
Oh!
I think it's gonna just be surprising and upsetting,
and weirdly satisfying.
It's just hard to see a show like this go
when you've connected to it so much.
It's just not gonna be there for us anymore.
Well, I keep going back to what Vince Gilligan keeps saying,
HARDWICK: Right.
...and that M60 machine gun is just about as big as
(LAUGHS) That's true!
SCOTT: Yeah. The ricin.
Who do you think the ricin's for?
I agree.
Or maybe himself.
I don't know.
I didn't even see that coming.
I hope not.
But he's gonna...
I mean, like, by all... By everything we understand,
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was...
The whole... Everything that's gonna happen next week...
Uh, we're gonna deal with it.
Well, I'll tell you. You know what, stick around, because we have...
On the Internet tomorrow, we'll do a 15-minute conversation.
We'll talk about all this.
Next week is a huge, huge show for us.
We're gonna have an entire hour with Vince Gilligan,
your favorite cast members, past and present.
Some surprises. You definitely will not wanna miss this.
We're gonna be on right after the Breaking Bad finale,
and we're gonna be coming to you from Aaron Paul's event
at Hollywood Forever Cemetery,
which is a beautiful cemetery here in Los Angeles.
We do a lot of events there, here as Los Angelenos.
It benefits Kind Campaign, so go to Omaze.com/ BreakingBad.
Check out how you can still enter to win a trip to the finale event.
Thank you so much for watching Talking Bad.
My guests were Bryan Johnson.
(APPLAUSE)
Adam Scott. His new film A.C.O.D. in theaters October 4th.
Matt Jones' show Mom premieres tomorrow night on CBS.
Right now, stay tuned for an encore presentation of Breaking Bad.
Go to AMCTalkingBad.com to check out the highlights from tonight's episode
as well as an all-new 15-minute bonus segment.
We're about to record that in a sec.
I am Chris Hardwick. Thanks for watching us tonight!
Oh, one more of these!
I'm at Nerdist. Good night!
Have an A1 day!
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)