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i'm sitting here next to me in the studio
uh... is
the
founder and political evangelist
for the pirate party of sweden
falk then get
popping up
articles about friday absolutely uh... rick
yet the pirate party actually has two seats in the european parliament
and uh... you know when it was first
rolled out a lot of people pull out all commodities are a bunch a
you know internet to and
rifle that free speech but let me know that's the way go whenever you have a
new political large movement that's from from grassroots level
the establishment will never taken serious and i have been with the social
democratic movement they come out with the green movement unhappy with those
we god presidency into the warmth
pub parliament in three-and-a-half years that's a record time for a new political
movement
and as the greek our parties being founded promotion as we can actually
media counted and and did the totality of the there's no fifty-six part parties
their we're in the universe six different countries have doctors are
different
parties yes we did
it so
a few confidence saying that this is the next generation re conquering andree
claiming
their liberties there's absolutely no reason
white their amount of civil liberties will when they lived about online should
be enlistment out of our parents who communicated by it
by mail a letter certainly
so the the v
the the parrot party
has as its focus what the online world as it were what about that
what about the physical world where where are you in alignment with for
example the greens
where the the other they have progressive movements assumes that there
would be a natural winds there is there there is in the disagreement or conflict
there there there is quite a bit of quite a bit of well i'm in quite a bit
of agreement i mean
there's a reason where lined with the green group in the european parliament
for instance in
we're at agreeing on meeting points although they've agreed to vote for the
house on information policy a change for us with a voting with them connecticut
everything else i mean that's going on in travel issues
right that's the way coalitions go after all
about every four years there's a new major movement that's
taking the progressive stance and i think this is us
so the new major progressive
movement in europe
is the pirate party went when you guys started this thing
and coming the black flag is your logo young of the work so i mean
when we were founded the parted carry me were all the rage so uh... it
it became quite a bit logic
to just to have a black sale as there was started as a lark wasn't me no more
serious if you were absolutely serious i mean i've done the math and realize that
okay there are over a million people who share files and swinger culture
and there were being actively dehumanized by these stab which man
so it's just one and five
rebel against being dehumanized actively pointed out is criminal
right if just one in five would say that i don't i'm not taking the ***
then we would be in parliament
we are
happens that's really gets really quite extraordinary laughing and i'm impressed
and that's offensive i i i think that that's an absolutely although i gotta
say we're not national parliament now yeah
we are in the european parliament because that it's seen as more of a nish
you can vote for specific issues in the european elections a m the parties will
go into european parliament
we are learning that in order to get into national parliament even brought on
your scope a little bit because people will vote on the more
caused by noon
shock for the establishment of hate the success for the swedish car party wasn't
just a flash in the pan
now they're succeeding in germany to where's this going
so uh... it to to expand this conversation a little bit beyond the
senseless as a sweet
right on you're very familiar with the political seen here being
you know the the founder and political event a list of the newest and most
route one of the most aggressive parties
in existence
i'm curious
uh... e in the united states people call themselves conservatives
wanted to hear with old-age pensions run by the government called social security
they want to do away with health
insurance for elderly people called medicare they want to do away with
health insurance for poor people called medicaid
they don't want to be any national health program for working people
uh... you're on your own body dry they don't want there to be going to be a
very limited uh... rights uh... payments for people who are unemployed
and in fact there are demands now that they must be drug tested every couple
weeks and that they must
do sixteen hours a week a volunteer
labor and always a things
uh... these are the conservative positions in america are the
conservatives the right wingers in sweden
angry with those kinds of positions not done the slightest tom i mean
we're in the scandinavian general and maybe use maybe even swim in particular
we are very much in favor of equality
said icye number from about two years ago this week has the lowest jeannie
coefficient in the world meaning that we have the lowest income in the co
inequalities
if i go to them got if i go to a hospital because i have the common cold
it's gonna cost me about thirty dollars a pioneer are surgery it's also the mint
cost me about thirty dollars
wong and we're taking that for granted
even the conservatives
it nobody stopped you know nobody's been omitted it doesn't happen it's not part
of the discussion it's not bad lately not an art of society
it's amazing
and and and uh... you know among all these other things and so what makes
conservatives conservatives unsweetened isn't just the immigration issue
now the demon gration age is not part of the conservative social
the social democrat discussion i mean there's this
there was a new party that are being portrayed as enough oblique that got
into
that lasts for the last election i think it's part of the year establishment's
favorite even discussed the issues them
what is part of the public opinion is basically where it
how large is social welfare
and where do we draw the line between
the univ it draws responsibility and the years and the social
network the social welfare network sources to be happening what's the space
where it is
what it's on the uh...
things like unemployment benefits sits it will be uh...
schools ahmed
the diplomats care but it doesn't come close to saying that if you're on you're
there that does just not up to her
so unemployment benefits how long if you're unemployed in sweden because
there's a recession
what what do you get and and how long it lasts and what and what uh... how would
two concerns one change that if that's something that they think of a change
picture it
if you're laid off in sweden by pump involuntarily laid off that we are
getting about eighty percent of your pay up to stealing
right forward eighty percent eighty percent you don't like it so it's up to
a ceiling so it's not
you're not getting eighty percent if you're high income or not if you're
going to right
and i think you get that for
one hundred days after which the demands on you for looking at a new new jobs
perchance quite significantly music nificantly
a get a little bit more
up to two hundred days i'm not
couldn't alikum it it would have t-shirts here shirt
but they are
but it's a fairly you did you get you to get an you do have an insurance for
getting a new job and you have a couple months to do that essentially
and and that
okay and that's not and and we have uh... you know one minute here until the
break
thought so
so what we call concern is the united states aloha with these i will be
conservatives change uh...
yeah leaders pushes for making it more
this insurance more voluntary
there are some them
there someplace for albania
a couple of uninsured
dates for him
noida double self-interest amanda
it's basically moving towards privatizing the insurance is that if
having it as part of mandatory restricted
social well for network
interesting very interesting
it's it it's really quite remarkable how the
the uh... the could be the conservative side
uh... and and the pirate party d are you taking positions on these issues or are
you still we are we're looking at i mean if you look at the uh... german pick up
a time
their strengthening the social welfare system even further looked seeing that
going post-industrial here it would win
if you're looking at japan if you're looking at what happened at what's
happening in the industry
we need less for those people to work uh... actually maine came up with
producing
just before the
want to give it to the kids are that's gonna be a large problem
so
we're we're looking at some sort of
unconditional place incumbents
basically switch for everybody
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from sweden and we'll be back with uh... with more from uh... rick santorum
political manuals for the
ira party
okay welcome back tom arbonne here with you r_j_r_
skin them
copenhagen
death stockholm
yet we were in copenhagen three days in stockholm sweden i'm sorry broad country
that's that
it's called
nakia or not i can actually is the town where we are here
and uh... with me rick uh...
being
bohringer
faltering
prompting
uh... the founder political evangelist
for the for the prior prettier sweden
and
we're
uh... are r_u_ are you making any inroads in the united states and curious
your thoughts on some of this legislation's coming out of the united
states to restrict internet
uh... ability right i'm very concerned about that it seemed that there are
the thing is here that what what do you know it's changed a lot going for the
scuffle thirty seconds here
is that it's given everybody of boys
in just like when the catholic church tried attacked the printing press in the
middle ages they yet they did that
up to and including the death penalty for unauthorized copying
there's there's there's been this privileged
the leaders of cited of that has that kilby
privilege of interpreting truth
and telling people what the truth is
mhm that privilege has been broken by the internet so very very strong
economic interests are not trying to curtail annette
it's essentially losing this privilege
so i'm very concerned when you see like
and mary can't pull politicians talking about instituting censorship
that's frankly
not the american are grew up with
men i'm talking about the stop on prior started talking about prototype eac
of others i mean
america from he has always had
freedom of speech as its flagship
and all of a sudden i'm seeing how the net is
is threatening to economic interests and all of a sudden these liberties weren't
worth them
the ink they were printed out
and and stump are there movements like uh... the uh... so poor in the united
states and the movements like that going on in europe
there have been attempts in the year you repeat parliament too
but similar things
and again and i say i'm quite proud that
our presence in the european parliament stop exactly that happening in europe
billy there there was something called a telecoms package which uh...
would enable
people to be cut off from the internet
are specific presence of european parliament
make sure that that didn't happen
the pirate
the pirate party ex-presidents yes
that's remarkable
and ends
are they are those interests funded by the but the big entertainment
corporation yes they are
is the copyright lobby which has lost a very lucrative distribution monopoly
seeing that it doesn't cost anything to distribute
distribute that bid digital information anymore
he's essentially is is it doesn't cost anything in a functioning market
you can charge for it
since these uh...
but corporations have monopoly
on distribution they're trying to uh...
clamp down on the liberties that enable us to distribute
digital information and they'll cost because it threatens
their entire business model
but my point is that
civil liberties
are at odds with your business more
is your business model that has a change you know all no entrepreneur on the
planet
has the right to say that i can sustain that sustain my business
interface of students have a different
referrals
mcfaul could falk make
six weeks from convenient
it's it means
wing of a falcon sweden's possible it's more blessed
the former political evangelist from pirate
party of sweet
will be back in just a moment
little bit more stick around
along a harmony here with you and uh... and another swedish band as a bumper
edge
shake of his good so good pick another music
the wing of the falcon
fall convenient
that's a is is uh... our guest here is the political officials from the pirate
party in in sweden
and uh... eat one of the other in a m in america
in america in america when people think of sweden the the number one
lightyears nationalize eubanks back in the nineties could you banks crash the
wearers did
grandstand you just said okay that's it screw the bankers
threw them out they lost all their money
uh... the country nationalize them and then they slowly sold them back in the
private market place of profit i guess
and you know why haven't we learned from entries about your thoughts are on the
rabbis and uh... i mean iceland in did the same thing today
allowed the banks to fail anita
if you're investing money uh... the government essentially the taxpayers
guarantee that you're not taking in a risk
there's no incentive what so ever to not go out and take all the rescue came
right
beso so it just so the banks in sweden now are in a position where he stayed
make insane loans
like the privatized banks do nice land liked the private banks the united
states did in the u_k_
if if state
play games
they're actually gonna have to pay the price circumstances
read any of its
there was this huge crisis in the nineties like you say banks essentially
went belly up in the government
bailed them out
but they'd
ball these national they bought the foreclosure essential
uh... after that but you say it's been gradually re privatized
it's been a gradually getting back into the game but i think everybody remembers
that
if you're taking risks
you got to know what you're playing that
now in the the other thing that one empty americans think of sweden other
than you know strong social safety net uh... democratic
sought the democratic socialist
society
uh... is join a sideshow
is this whole cerf or poor on wiki leaks right inside rwanda
and i realize that uh... you can talk much about that but i'd like you to
explain why chairat collide
absolutely i mean julian so it was in the its windows
those last fall and
and uh... it
he's been he's got a bit known
no further but what's also
he was also here
to sign a deal depart our party which was widely publicized where we have
offered observers bass pro bono
formulas that republican exim protected
and what we got out of that was as if it if anybody would attack with the leaks
that have been attacked prime part party first and get a subpoena against us and
i would be really yummy and election campaign trying
knight-ridder content-type in i can't speculate
on the legal case against genocide personally especially not in media
and the reason for that it is
i was
route so close to these events that happened uh... difficult trial
i'm going to be a key defense witness so therefore i can't speculate on the
merits of the case media because it would be my jacket one i'm i'm not
asking you to wham wham curious though and when we are nice when we spoke with
a member of parliament
whose twitter account was hacked by the u_s_ state department rent and
he sites worldwide famous now the the the situation
and she has introduced into the uh... icelandic legislature attend step
program the basically
uh... you guarantees internet privacy and keeps the government out not just
the government of iceland than any government if it's the dot i guess uh...
domain
and she found she thinks that can hold
is there you know
how is that and that and much of that is coming out of what happened with the
siding with the leaks and i was there was kind of a that the match that with
the candle even though the thicket of kindling even though it for some time
with the killing was
accumulating
uh... in the form the internet and
and information
how is that situation in sweden
well you know this is part policy hits privacy accountability transparency of
civil liberties on i'm talking about party right
the problem
as uh... everywhere else the as the politicians are necessarily miss
malicious pup they don't understand information policy men it's worse than
that they get their emails printed for them by secretary and if they think that
the therefore understand what the net is about
but people live their lives on line have a completely different perception of
course and if you got a sixty-year-old legislator and make them understand that
the laws they're making would be the equivalent of putting microphones under
every catfish table when they were young they would be absolutely horrified out
of their martin's but they don't realize that they are thinking is just some sort
of
way to curtail shared the illegal sharing of music online at this moment
more than that
how are you going to realize
well when i found of the car party i realized that
you can't really
ask somebody to take three weeks off of that that job in just understand the
prospective he got to make a personal for the man at the end of the day while
politicians care about is getting reelected uh... so after three years we
have stopped talking to the politicians and bypassed them talk directly to the
voters challenge the politicians on election day and that changed narrative
that's interesting and so the narrative
the narrative here in sweden has changed is that this is going to win their has
absolutely no we didn't get enough of the best national election like this it
would be a that's kind of a complex it
combat compaq sections so we need more
and we need a broader platform we're getting there
but we did get into the european objections and that changed the story
entirely
that's ya and and
yahoo you're a member of the you have two seats near control
what
into us women in the thirty or forty seconds we have left
what kind of power doesn't give you what what
was the night
well we did prevent the entertainment industries attempted shot people off the
net without a trial
no it's not going to happen they'd they attempt to try people off by the tens of
thousands without trial that didn't happen because because of us
we have
got andy green group which is the third largest group and you can comment on the
thirty fourth
to adult our policies right off the blueprint that's uh... so we've gone
from mister green per is there a pirate party in the united states of income
their are
in some states they they are forming i mean it's part of it as of the year but
it was a stimulus it's both
there for me
remarkable okay we're were groups sorry one camera
but reconquer
while giving them
the fourth quarter four and will stand in front of the handshake and political
rentals for the heinrich protein sweden
end of the european parliament
fake really interesting pleasure having you with