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diane stark state and federal agents as i hear great guest for you guys former
u_s_ army colonel andrew basic he's also law firm washington rules and marcus
after permanent war
occur along the way it works
i could have munition all we've recieved coming on hope
i think a lot of path a permanent war war why is
and and what your case for re put it that way
and i think the basic argument is uh... if you want to be seen
why we have been in iraq
and why we are in afghanistan
rather than siding the
mistake so
one administration or the back
bushel pharma
you need to go back to
period right after it the cold war
and recognize that at that time
united states committed itself too
a particular approach to national security policy
ended it adheres to that approach down to the present day
although it may once have worked
in terms of
heaping update from
protecting our prosperity
it no longer does
indeed adherence to that national security contented
today
is making that left safe
squandering car are uh... our economic well-being wises
let's grew up with
well be open to the national security confronted her at the moment the
abortion that
the world gotta be organized and let them saved and that's our job
and secondly that the way to do that is through a particular
approach to using military power
namely
that united states should maintain a global military presence
that we should configure our forces not to defend the country
but the create instruments of power projection
and that
we should marry that present on the part projection capabilities
together to support
a policy of global interventionism
i acting that would be that
quite clear
since nine eleven
adhering to that
uh... paradigm
uh... i is
and citing greater anti americanism
particularly in the islamic world
amit it costing us
enormous the month of treasure
that we've simply can no longer afford to wait
panels they are met
i don't think you have people got together and you know smoke-filled room
and said okay
well let's just start more more war so you and i can make more money inside
defense contractor companies but that would be
but there is also their actions one of leading to the policy you're talking
about whether it's funny think-tanks or sending lobbyist and
maybe most importantly
employing generals and colonels after they retire so that everybody eventually
has the same mindset
as the defense contractors which is towards good for business up there might
be unfair they're already thing that makes a lot of sense i think you're
being little bit unclear but your point is not entirely wrong it certainly not
my argument
that fact in the late nineteen forties
a bunch of nefarious people got together smoke-filled room instead
how can we screw america an order to
pour money in the direction of big corporations
i think given the circumstances that existed
backlit say in nineteen forty seven and nineteen forty eight
the terms of the national security consensus
that hai
given the world depicted them
might have made sent
but we don't live in the world of nineteen forty five
there is no soviet empire that threatens us
we no longer if this it economically in the world in which
we've got all the money and when they called stuff
and the rest of the world comes to us uh... supplicant
so if it's a different world today
the problem i think is that
the pattern of behavior tab which in the nineteen forties
became frozen
came to be habitual
and and over time
come to benefit
big corporations admirals and generals
institution comprising the national security state
and therefore it could be a
deviant petition the benefit from the status quo
are unwilling to permit any critical scrutiny
uh... in are committed to preserving it even though
that national security consensus at those suggested
no longer serve the interests of the country at large but solicits tussles
exactly what i said earlier should the comic reluctant democrat or for eighteen
years just about of course professor
by professed varied of that
but that's almost exactly what i think i think they're is in a smoke-filled room
but it becomes this kind of consensus
because
and it's not just a simple is money yes you're right amusing trench positions
they never changed there's the bravado va politicians say hello
armitage trauma go towards our all those things are factors but i think the most
nefarious factor is that
enact immediately for a reason that he becomes institutionalize not that they
make a conscious decision to do this
is that when they buy
and i'll say that that way they've by the generals made by the crowds they say
all right give your do you know a good boys and girls and you'll give me
defense contracts one your
in inside the pentagon
once you get out of you to give it a lot of money but if you're not a good word
girl you're not going to get paid a lot of money again i or every don't think
you're wrong i think it is
overstated a little bit here fifteen photographs
i mean i i think i_d_c_ somebody like general petraeus
honestly
and truly
believed that you did in the interest of the united states of america
persevere in afghanistan's it's war
on the others site of the planet which is now the longest war in our history i
think he is absolutely
depict wrong
but i don't question
they've been his own mind he's doing the right thing
what i would pay is that
as a member of an institution that is
committed to this national security contempt of
general petraeus
and others like him
really
have a great
difficulty
in stepping outside of the frame of reference
that they are used to
and therefore being able to take a critical look
at a status quo
have mom has become counterproductive
notes like after me
at the college professor
to consider the possibility
sending young people to residential
universities and colleges where they pay a ton of money
so ask me to consider that might be better way through
educate young people
i mean i a m in this institution i believe in the institution i'm the last
person to ask too
first-order questions about american higher education which is sort of rely
on the military's ourselves or military
is protect part of a problem at all that good thank you
group b_
one of the unintended consequences of the end of the draft
and out there for the celebration of the american military at the
you know that that
the best among us
is that we did the people
to take her to washington
to do for two people like general petraeus
patella what what makes them
uh... so we also
uh... i think had predicted
are falling down and our responsibility
to demand that sort of accountability from from washington
uh... that uh... washington ought to be required to deliver i was an important
orson
discussion so
professor basement
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