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then as i mentioned just as we were going to break in the last segment at
their first one i'm curious
you know if you have any thoughts on this whole crystalline and we can we do
we did talk about it
last week in the context of his manifesto which i read and shared pieces
of with you on the air
and racism within the l_a_ police department
and frankly i mean
the l_a_ police to govern as a microcosm of the police
culture nationwide a
and beard
and arguably in many ways a microcosm of american society
races while alive and well an american society alive and well in police
departments all over this country even police department
they have a lot of african americans and
and so
we talked about that
we have what looks like
yelping uh... a police execution
of uh... of a suspect
may have even been
legend
it made you know and which become brings up
within the questions of of waco and ruby ridge to allen at at what point is it
appropriate to just tell somebody
as opposed to weeding them out starving them out
trying to take them alive
kind of stuff
you know what point does our impatience lied to
s as it were
and uh... actually that's very interesting
word in
mexicans and nixon misery
they burt
yet you have a dog great i just that history in the area it is a says you're
a swat officer and you have some questions uh... processes rather about
typical police tactics
yester pearl how well that that work out a lot for twenty years and we never had
anything that property please
started a fire
now to talk about black specter distraction devices they can create a
flaming output out plenty of those in structures that we do tomorrow on as we
enter with run flats record distraction devices indication that a plane and they
can start a fire uh... up stop at a few small part in in the process will also
use just yet
uh... through thirty seven millimeter uh... devices to shoot out those into
the structure which usually get the paper
but you're catholic uh... out here
which had more of a pepper spray or the c_s_ gas
that makes it extremely uncomfortable purpose septic stadium structure
but i know that we'd never and all the years i've been involved with it
we're reading
typically go ahead start a fire what do you think about
this
the idea that some suspects
have have hit a threshold where taking them alive is just like not even a good
idea anymore i mean the the the way so the december neil
church or a try to take restore alive and he killed one other guys and and
wounded another in the process i what is there
in police state of police procedures is their point where he in the field you
your does this come down from the top the decision is made
you know wanted dead or alive okay we're gonna go for the debt option
olga
indicate he'd already murdered local police officer
he's definitely willing to get into a gunfight he felt like from subject to
you know they should have been people often as somebody showed up again they
kill themselves right away sorry you know he had written deftly probably more
high-risk individual you're gonna find and i'm not gonna rip like the fire
department tried to put out the firemen are correct
officers running into a structure with somebody that willing to uh...
to go pentagon never likely they would wait for a cycle option and now if they
had an opportunity well with sniper immediately taking okay so that's earned
the question bernie since this is legitimate police
conduct
uh... and then there's some ba
some history for it in the united states
why is the same bernie net burned you know police department insisting that
they didn't intentionally killing
wind i would think they intentionally tried to put him out
i thought i don't know that that they come from occurring
but i know that if they had an opportunity to take him and he ever got
it and shooting out the window to whatever they would it take
if he has a major once he left the structure they talk about it pushed him
back and he comes out shooting they'll return fire they want him campaign right
there get would have put him back into the structure if they can versus having
about women around shooting editing people or innocent people there get
caught as rounds per pack your officers right that we have portion back to what
they could controlling which is in that structure so i can see why he would have
got forced back you know what they were purport to his report in the back and
right ambassador and i mean that either even though all the stuff has been
pulled off the police scanners
they're saying now the end of basically the fire was an accident and and uh...
you know
or was it you know that the consequence of the c_s_ gas or whatever you know one
of these as as you said one of these grounds
uh... igniting the building and uh... that it wasn't part of a plan to kill
him
and hijackers don't get why
if
u_n_ and maybe it's this you know they don't want a fuel conspiracy theories
about it you know
the because as as banks will mccall pointed out
this has made some serious allegations against him you know one of a large
pleased farms in the country and he is not now going to be alive to testify
and cracked eric
ike i don't think
you'd be able to a conspiracy like that together too
you know i a high-profile ballot this attorney block kill it would be able to
make it to get away with that kind of yeah well and beyond that i mean he had
an opportunity could you could be acting it'll always police officers
we have any standing whatsoever even stand up and testify about corruption
the l_a_ police department
uh... it seems to me that the that nobody would
it you couldn't column as a witness
on dial-up he wasn't going to take her life he had every intention of going out
killing of many people off a lot of obvious by the actions but yeah in that
case you know the fire starting lopez not going to drop it down brought
outside pans out
he killed not that i do not think or understood and our perhaps
that he had a that he and the shoot himself which yes that's that's my
understanding is that i might well see map
hero coming
you are going to go to prison uh... police officer bob if you don't ever
want to end up
i think he had every intention of going out a blaze of glory in
and i was just glad that you know in this particular case no more officers
got got killed and uh... you know he whether he was he was dangerous guy and
i think the danger skies
you know he went out again your play
yeah and no doubt about any of that hundred still baffled by why the police
departments
are not
just owning up to what happens if we are assuming that you know what what we
heard on their scanners is actually what was going down for the or why they
haven't provided at why they haven't said that you know well you know there
was some you know uh... crazy cop talking on the scanner you know or
parking spot you know i'm talkin' stuff that wasn't true some tiny we'd just i
haven't heard that work thanks a lot