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>> MEMORIAL FADES AWAY AND NEW
ABORTION LIMITS SURFACE AT THE
STATE HOUSE.
THIS IS "COLUMBUS ON THE
RECORD."
OUR PANEL JOINS US TONIGHT.
>> FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS OR SO,
THE MAYOR HAS USED TAX MONEY AND
PRIVATE MONEY TO SPRUCE UP THE
DOWNTOWN RIVER FRONT, THERE'S A
MILE LONG PARK, NEW BRIDGES AND
A FOUNTAIN, LOOKS NICE, NOW THEY
ARE MOVING UP RIVER AND THIS
PLAN MAY BE A LITTLE MORE
CONTROVERSIAL.
AS FIRST REPORTED IN THE
DISPATCH, CITY LEADERS ARE
CONSIDERING TEARING DOWN VETS
MEMORIAL AND BUILDING A NEW ARTS
CENTER ALONG THE RIVER.
ANOTHER MEMORIAL WILL BE BUILT,
IT JUST WOULD NOT BE AN ARENA
AND THERE'S TALK OF PUTTING A
SMALL COLUMBUS ZOO DOWNTOWN, THE
MAYOR WILL NOT TALK ABOUT
SPECIFICS BUT SAID THEY ARE
WORKING ON SOMETHING.
>> IT WILL BE A TRUE MEMORIAL TO
OUR VETERANS AND THAT THE GOAL
IS TO REINVIGORATE THE WEST
PENINSULA OF THE RIVER.
AND IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT WORLD
CLASS TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE
GENERATIONS TO COME, THAT IT
WILL BE ONE OF THE BEST PLACES
TO LIVE, TO BE AND TO BE A PART
OF.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE
IDEA?
>> I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA,
AND BY THE WAY, WE SHOULD
MENTION THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN
A FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE
PART OF THE CITY OR INVESTORS OR
BUT FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES,
ANYONE ELSE.
IT APPEARS THAT THERE WILL BE A
$50 MILLION INVESTMENT THAT WILL
INVOLVE THE RAISESING OF VETS'
MEMORIAL AND THEN MAYBE A
SEPARATE PROJECT ON THE SOUTH
SIDE, FOR THE ZOO.
SOME SORT OF AN INTERACTIVE TYPE
OF PROJECT AND CONNECTING ALL
THREE THINGS AND THERE WILL BE
AN ART BUILDING OF SOME SORT
OVER WHERE VETS IS NOW, AND THEN
EVERYTHING CONNECT BY A SKYWAY,
A WALKWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT.
IT'S, I THINK, SOMETHING THAT
WILL HELP BRING UP THE
PENINSULA, THE WEST SIDE.
>> THAT IS AN UNDER UTILIZED
PORTION OF THE RIVER.
YOU THINK OF THE MILE ON THE
EAST SIDE OF THE RIVER, THEY
HAVE DONE A LOT OVER THERE, BUT
THE WEST SIDE, YOU HAD COSI
DEVELOPMENT, AND THE PENINSULA,
THEY HAVE THE BUILDING ON THE
BIG FRONT LAW, BASICALLY.
>> AND THE CITY HAS BEEN
RENOVAING AND BRINGING UP
FRANKLINTON TOO.
SO IT'S A WAY TO IMPROVE THE
DOWNTOWN IN A SHORT PERIOD OF
TIME.
>> IT'S A TOUGH ONE THOUGH.
>> I THINK, I WAS GOING TO SAY,
IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT TO TOUCH
SOMETHING LIKE VETS MEMORIAL
THAT IS A TOUCH STONE FOR
VETERANS AROUND OHIO AND CENTRAL
OHIO AND I THINK YOU ARE GOING
TO HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME, JUST
BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S
ASSOCIATED WITH VETS SO THE
MAYOR HAS TO COME UP WITH A
PROJECT THAT WILL SOMEHOW
SATISFY THE VETERANS
ORGANIZATION.
IT'S AN ALL POWERFUL GROUP.
>> I CAN SEE YOU DOING THAT.
AFTER ALL, IT'S AN ARTS COMPLEX,
YOU CAN HAVE HEART THAT HONORERS
VETERANS.
YOU CAN DO THAT.
THE KEY WILL BE, HOW DO YOU GET
PEOPLE TO COME DOWNTOWN?
WE HAVE SOME ART DOWNTOWN, AND
SOMETIMES IT'S THRIVING AND
OTHER TIMES IT'S NOT.
AND SO, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED TO
CONSISTENTLY DRAW PEOPLE IN AND
THE BIG QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE
CITY GOING TO DO TO DRIVE PEOPLE
IN THERE?
>> AND MARYANNE MENTIONED AND I
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY
BELIEVES THERE'S GOING TO BE NO
MEMORIALIZING OF THE VETERANS,
THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING.
>> WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO?
LIKE THE GROUPS HAVE THAT HAVE
BEEN USING THE VENUE AT THIS
POINTS.
>> WE HAVE PLENTY OF PLACES, AND
THE PLANS DO INCLUDE OR AT LEAST
IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED THAT IT
WILL BE AN AMPHITHEATER OR A
SMALLER AUDITORIUM.
BUT 4,000 SEATS FALLS IN THE
MIDDLE OF THINGS.
>> THE SYMPHONY HAVE BEEN
LOBBYING FOR THEIR OWN VENUE.
WE HAVE THE OHIO, THE PALACE
THEATER AND THE SOUTHERN THEATER
DO WE NEED ANOTHER ARTS CENTER
DOWNTOWN?
>> MAYBE NOT, BUT MAYBE A
AMPHITHEATRE FITS IN.
>> HOW ABOUT A ZOO DOWNTOWN, DO
WE NEED A ZOO DOWNTOWN?
WE HAVE TWO OTHER ZOOS.
>> IT WILL BE A DIFFERENCE
>> BUT AN ANIMAL ZOO.
CONCEPT, YEAH.
>> ULTIMATELY THIS WILL BE
FUNDED THROUGH SOME PRIVATE
MONEY.
>> YEAH.
>> BUT THROUGH SOME TAX MONEY,
IS THIS THE PROPER USE OF TAX
MONEY?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, IF IT DRIVES
PEOPLE INTO COLUMBUS, IF IT
BRINGS IN BUSINESS AND I THINK
THERE'S A CERTAIN ARGUMENT THAT
CAN BE MADE THAT THE RICHNESS
AND THE INTEGRITY OF YOUR
COMMUNITY DEPENDS ON THE
STRENGTH OF YOUR ARTS AND
DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU HAVE TO
OFFER.
IF WE HAVE GOOD SCHOOLS, IF WE
HAVE, YOU KNOW, VIBRANT ART
COMMUNITIES IN DOWNTOWN
COLUMBUS, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT
HELP WHEN YOU ARE TRYING
CONVINCE BUSINESSES TO COME INTO
COLUMBUS.
>> IT'S AN INVESTMENT AND
APPARENTLY LES AND ABIGAIL
WEXLER ARE GOING TO FRONT THE
MONEY.
>> ARE WE GOING TO RENAME
COLUMBUS?
THERE ARE FOLKS THAT LIVE ON
STREETS THAT NEED TO BE REPAVED
IN POOR NEIGHBORHOODS IN
FRANKLINTON, SOUTH SIDE, EAST
SIDE.
THEY SEE ALL THIS BEAUTIFUL
STUFF DOWNTOWN THAT IS TERRIFIC
AND THEY SAY, OKAY, WHEN ARE YOU
GOING TO FIX MY STREET?
>> I THINK IT'S THE TAX BASE
DEVELOPING, AS THE CONSEQUENCE
OF THIS INVESTMENT, AS JOE
SUGGESTED.
I THINK THE MONEY WILL BE THERE.
>> I GUESS, I MEAN, HAVING
WATCHED COLUMBUS AND HAVING
LIVED IN COLUMBUS FOR MANY
YEARS, THERE'S ALWAYS THE NEXT
BIG IDEA, IT'S LIKE ONE OF THESE
SITUATIONS WHERE IT'S THE NEXT
BIG IDEA.
WHETHER OR NOT IT WILL BE
HELPFUL OR NOT, I WAS HERE WHEN
THE MALL WAS TORN TOWN, AND NOW
IT'S A HUGE CITY PARK.
YOU HAVE LOTS OF LAND, IT'S NOT
LIKE YOU ARING LOOKING FOR
ADDITIONAL LAND.
>> THAT IS WHY THEY MAY BE
WANTING TO KEEP IT UNDER WRAPS
TO FLUSH OUT THE DETAILS AND
SHOP IT AROUND AND REALLY GET
THE PITCH RIGHT.
>> BUT, YOU HAVE TO ADMIT THAT
THE RIVER IS, THAT IS ALWAYS
GOING TO BE THERE AND THE CITIES
HAVE LEARNED, YOU KNOW, THE HARD
WAY, SOMETIMES THAT YOU HAVE GOT
TO PROTECT THAT RIVER FRONT AND
DEVELOP THE RIVER FRONT.
>> AND DON'T FORGET THAT THEY
ARE NARROWING AND FIXING THE
RIVER, IT MAKES SENSE TO DEVELOP
THE OTHER SIDE.
>> NEXT TOPIC, THE SEPARATION OF
CHURCH AND STATE HAS BEEN A
DIFFICULT BALANCE, BUT LATELY IT
HAS COME UP IN WORKPLACE
DURING THE HEALTH CARE DEBATE,
DISPUTES.
THERE WERE FIGHTS OVER FORING
RELIGIOUS EMPLOYERS TO OFFER
BITTER CONTROL.
AND NOW THE ISSUE HAS BEEN
RAISED OF WHETHER A TEACHER CAN
BE FIRED FOR VIOLATING THE MORAL
CODE, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FIRED
A WOMAN WHO ADMITTED TO HAVING
SEX WITH A SAME SEX PARTNER.
AND ANOTHER TEACHER IN
CINCINNATI WAS FIRED FOR HAVING
A BABY THROUGH ARTIFICIAL MEANS.
THERE A HE IS NO -- IT'S NOT
PRAYERS IN SCHOOL, IT'S THE
TEACHERS AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE
THAT IS THE FIGHT IN SCHOOLS.
>> CHURCH AND STATE, SEEMS LIKE
IT'S CLEAR.
BUT WHAT WE FOUND IN THE LATEST,
WITH THESE TWO INCIDENTS, IS
THAT IT COMES DOWN TO THE
DETAILS OF THE SPECIFIC
SITUATION AND THE CINCINNATI
COURT FOUND THAT UNDER THE
CONTRACT, THAT THIS TEACHER WAS
ON, SHE DID NOT MEET THE
QUALIFICATIONS OF THE
AND THAT IS WHAT THEY RULED ON,
MINISTERIAL EMPLOYEE.
WHETHER THE CHURCH HAS THE RIGHT
TO OVER STEP THE FEDERAL LAWS.
>> NOW THEY WILL BE REWRITING
THE CONTRACTS TO MAKE TEACHERS
>> YES.
>> AND THEN YOU HAVE TO THINK,
MINISTERS.
WHERE DOES THAT STOP?
IS THE JANITOR A MINISTERIAL
EMPLOYEE, OR THE SECTOR THE
COACH?
IT SPURRED THIS MERGER
DISCUSSION DESPITE BEING SO MUCH
ABOUT THE DETAILED SITUATION.
>> AS SOMEONE WHO IS A CATHOLIC,
I CAN TELL YOU THAT I FIND THIS
INCREDIBLY DISAPPOINTING AND I
THINK THE CHURCH HAS BETTER
THINGS TO DO THAN THIS KIND OF
ENFORCEMENT AND I ALSO BELIEVE
THAT UNDER THE SPIRIT OF THE NEW
POPE, POPE FRANCIS, THIS IS NOT
SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS HIGH
ON HIS PRIORITY LIST.
I DO THINK THAT WE HAD
PREVIOUSLY A VERY CONSERVATIVE
POPE IN POPE BENEDICT AND
PERHAPS THEY ARE TOING THOSE
TEACHINGS -- THROWING PEOPLE OUT
OF THE CHURCH AND THEIR JOBS
BECAUSE OF THE PRIVATE BEHAVIOR.
>> I WAS WONDERING BECAUSE I'M
THE PRODUCT OF CATHOLIC SCHOOLS
AND BEEN A CATHOLIC ALL MY LIFE,
I'M SORRY, BUT I DID NOT KNOW
THAT ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION WAS
NOT PART OF THE CHURCH.
>> OH, YES, WELL BIRTH CONTROL
IS.
>> I THOUGHT THAT THE CREATION
OF LIFE IN THE ABSENCE OF A
RELATIONSHIP -- I HAD TO LOOK IT
UP AND NOW I UNDERSTAND THE
THEOLOGY BEHIND IT.
I DID NOT KNOW, HOW MANY
CATHOLICS DO NOT AND THIS YOUNG
WOMAN, WAS NOT CATHOLIC.
>> AND I THINK THAT -- THAT'S
THE WHOLE THING HERE.
I MEAN, I HAVE A LOT OF CATHOLIC
FRIENDS, I AM NOT CATHOLIC AND I
HAVE FRIENDS THAT DO NOT FOLLOW
SOME OF THESE TEACHINGS OF THE
CHURCH THAT YOU ARE TALKING
ABOUT AND I THINK IT'S HARD, YOU
KNOW, TO DRAW LINES.
IT'S HARD FOR THE PUBLIC TO DRAW
LINES, IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE FROM
THE OUTSIDE TO KNOW, EXACTLY
WHAT IS IN CATHOLIC FAITH AND
WHEN THEY GET EMPLOYED BY A
CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OR SCHOOL OF
SOME SORT, I DO NOT THINK THEY
NECESSARILY THINK OF IT IN TERMS
OF WHAT DOES THE CHURCH THINK
ABOUT MY BEHAVIOR IN THIS
>> BUT THE SUPPORTERS ARGUE IT'S
PARTICULAR AREA.
A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION, WE
SHOULD BE SEPARATE AND BE ABLE
TO ENFORCE OUR CODE ON OUR
EMPLOYEES, JOE, BUT THERE'S
WORKPLACE RULES AND CIVIL RIGHTS
LAWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT
EMPLOYERS HAVE TO FOLLOW.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
WELCOME TO REPRESENTATIVE
DEMOCRACY, AND A CONSTITUTIONAL
REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY.
>> IT'S HARD TO BALANCE THAT
>> AND THE SUPREME COURT IS
THOUGH.
HAVING TO ADDRESS THAT.
THE REASON THEY ARE TALKING
ABOUT THE MINISTERIAL
BEEN A RULING BY THE SUPREME
DESIGNATION, BECAUSE THERE'S
COURT THAT PROVIDED AMMUNITION
FOR THOSE CHALLENGING THE
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN EMPLOYEES
AND THE CHURCH AS AN EMPLOYER.
WHERE THAT WOULD LEAD US, I
THINK, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS.
I MEAN --
>> I AGREE.
BUT I SO BELIEVED THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH TO BE BETTER THAN THIS.
WE NOW HAVE A POPE WHO BAPTIZED
CHILDREN OF *** MOTHERS AND
WENT OUT OF HIS WITH A AND WENT
INTO THE VILLAGES TO DO SO.
WHEN OTHER PRIESTS REFUSED TO DO
AND THIS IS A NEW ERA.
THAT.
>> HE CAME OUT STRONGLY AGAINST
SAME SEX MARRIAGE YEARS AGO IN
ARGENTINA, HE HAS A BIT OF A
TRADITIONAL HISTORY THERE TOO.
BACK TO THE CINCINNATI CASE,
THIS WAS A JURY VERDICT AND THIS
IS CINCINNATI.
VERY CATHOLIC.
CONSERVATIVE.
CAN WE READ ANYTHING INTO IT
THAT THE FACT THAT THE JURY
RULED AGAINST THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH IN THE CASE.
>> BEFORE IT WENT TO THE JURY,
THE TRIAL JUDGE HAD ALREADY MADE
A PRETRIAL DECISION THAT THE
MINISTERIAL DEFENSE WAS NOT
GOING TO BE USED BY THE SCHOOL.
SO I THINK THAT WAS PART OF IT.
BUT IT WAS AN INTERESTING
DECISION, BECAUSE SHE SUED THE
TWO SCHOOLS AS WELL AS THE ARCH
DIOCESE AND THEY DID NOT HOLD
AGAINST THE TWO SCHOOLS BUT THEY
DID AGAINST THE ARCH DIOCESE.
>> ALL RIGHT, CONSERVATIVE
REPUBLICANS HAVE INTRODUCED
ANOTHER ABORTION RESTRICTING
BILL AT THE STATE HOUSE, 35
HOUSE MEMBERS WANT A NEW LAW
THAT REQUIRES A 48-HOUR WAITING
PERIOD BEFORE THE ABORTION AND
REQUIRES A WOMAN TO UNDERGO A
ULTRASOUND EXAMINATION AND
DOCTORS WILL BE REQUIRED TO TELL
PATIENTS THAT FETUSES AND
EMBRYOS CAN FEEL PAIN, THEY HAVE
TO TELL THE PATIENT HOW MUCH
MONEY THEY MAKE AND HOW MUCH
WHAT IS THE MOTIVATION OF THE
THEY MAKE FROM ABORTIONS.
SUPPORTERS HERE?
IS IT SIMILAR TO THE HEARTBEAT
BILL LEGISLATION?
>> ABORTION IS LEGAL IN THIS
COUNTRY.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE SUPREME
COURT WILL NOT REVISIT THAT ANY
TIME SOON T THE STRATEGY IN THE
STATES IS TO MAKE IT MORE
DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN ABORTIONS.
TO REDUCE FUNDING.
TO PLACES THAT PROVIDE ABORTION
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE
SEEN IN MANY STATES.
ALONG THE LINES OF THE HEARTBEAT
BILL, THIS IS IN THAT LINE.
>> THE HEARTBEAT BILL DID NOT GO
FAR.
DOES THAT HAVE A BETTER CHANCE
OR IS IT STILL -- SOME OF THESE
ARE THE 48 HOUR WAITING PERIOD,
YOU CAN ARGUE.
BUT MOST WILL AGREE THAT EMBRYOS
CANNOT FEEL PAIN, THAT SEEMS
EXTREME.
>> I THINK IT HAS A CHANCE, MORE
THAN A CHANCE THAN THE HEARTBEAT
BILL, THE REASON IS WE ARE
COMING UP TO AN ELECTION NEXT
YEAR.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAKE UP OF
THE OHIO HOUSE AND SENATE, IT'S
REPUBLICAN DOMINATED AND A LOT
OF THOSE REPUBLICANS COME FROM
SAFE DISTRICTS.
AND SO, IN THEIR DISTRICTS, WHAT
THE PEOPLE IN THOSE DISTRICTS
WANT THEY HAVE ELECTED VERY
CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS THEY
WANT THEM TO BE CONSERVATIVE ON
THIS ISSUE.
SO, I THINK AUTOMATICALLY YOU
HAVE THAT GROUP THEN, I ALSO SEE
IT BEING VERY CONTROVERSIAL
THOUGH.
AND IT COULD HAVE A -- WHERE IT
COULD RUN INTO TROUBLE IS WHEN
YOU HAVE MAINSTREAM, A LOT OF
MAINSTREAM REPUBLICAN PEOPLE OUT
THERE THAT COME OUT AND SAY,
WAIT, THIS GOES TOO FAR.
THEN YOU WILL HAVE THE INNER
BE A PROBLEM.
BATTLE, THAT IS WHERE IT COULD
>> I'M NOT SURE JOHN KASICH
WANTS THAT BATTLE.
IT WAS INDICATED LAST YEAR AND
EVEN, EVEN ALREADY, TODAY I GOT
A FUNDRAISING E-MAIL FROM THE
OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
SO IF THIS IS STICKS, IT'S GOING
TO BE A DRIVING ISSUE IN THE
AND I DON'T THINK --
ELECTION.
>> AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER --
ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY TO GO AFTER THE
CATHOLIC VOTE AND THEY CONTINUE
TO GO AFTER THE CATHOLIC VOTE
WITH THESE KINDS OF ISSUES.
THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS PART OF THAT
LEGISLATION IS TO SAY THAT WOMEN
HAVE INCREASE IN BREAST CANCER
WHICH AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY
RATES.
SAID IS INACCURATE.
I DO NOT THINK THAT GOVERNMENT
CAN START FORCING DOCTORS TO
TELL PATIENTS THINGS THAT ARE
NOT TRUE.
THAT IS WHERE THIS OVER STEPS
>> MIKE, WHEN YOU ASKED JOE,
THE LINE.
WHETHER SHE THOUGHT THE BILL HAD
A CHANCE, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT
WHETHER IT WAS CONSTITUTIONAL.
>> DETAILS, DETAILS.
>> I AGREE WITH JOE, I THINK IT
HAS A CHANCE OF PASSING AND
BEING SIGNED INTO LAW FOR ABOUT
FIVE SECONDS.
BUT I DO NOT AND SOME OF THE
PROVISIONS IN THIS, IN THE BILL
ARE JUST EXTRAORDINARY.
AND CERTAINLY DESIGNED TO PUT A
WOMAN UNDER STRESS, UNDER
ADDITIONAL STRESS AND INTRODUCE
A PHENOMENAL AMOUNT OF GUILT
THAT IS PROBABLY ALREADY THERE
ANYWAY, ADDITIONALLY ON THIS
INDIVIDUAL.
>> I AGREE.
>> I DON'T THINK, I THINK FOR
THAT REASON IF FOR NO OTHER
REASON, IT GOES OVER THE LINE.
>> AND THERE'S A LAUNDRY LIST OF
THINGS THAT THE DOCTORS CAN PLAY
WITH.
YOU MENTION THE ULTRASOUND AND
THEY HAVE TO WALK THE WOMAN
THROUGH THE ULTRASOUND AND
DISCLOSE ALL SORTS OF
INFORMATION THAT THEY PROBABLY
DO NOT COMPILE ALREADY AND THE
FIRST DEGREE FELONY AND A
>> I THINK THAT IS HIGHLY
MILLION DOLLAR FINE?
THE SUPPORTERS WILL SAY, YOU
SYMBOLIC.
KNOW, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A BIG
DECISION AND THAT WOMEN SHOULD
HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THEY
NEED TO MAKE THIS DECISION.
AND DOESN'T THIS BILL DO THAT?
>> IT'S MISINFORMATION THOUGH.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
DO I THINK THAT WOMAN SHOULD
HAVE INFORMATION?
OF COURSE THEY SHOULD.
BUT SHOULD THEY GO OUT OF THEIR
WAY TO GIVE THEM MISINFORMATION?
NO.
AND IF SECOND QUESTION TO THE
REPUBLICANS THAT ARE PUSHING IT,
MEDICAID DOLLARS AND EXPANDING
IF YOU ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF
MEDICAID, WHY ARE YOU IN FAVOR
OF MORE HEALTH CARE COSTS?
>> AND I TALKED WITH KELLY
COPELAND AND SHE SAID SHE SEES
IT AS AN ATTACK ON WOMEN,
OBVIOUSLY.
SHE SEES IT AS THE LEGISLATORS
PLAYING DOCTOR.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, SHE
SAID IT'S OPPOSED TO WHAT THINKS
IS THE ISSUE TO REDUCE ABORTION.
SHE SAID IF YOU WANT TO REDUCE
ABORTION, PROVIDE THEM WITH
BIRTH CONTROL AND THE
INFORMATION THEY NEED TO NOT GET
PREGNANT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
>> SO THEY SHOULD BE SUPPORTING
PLANNED PARENT HOOD AND THEIR
>> ACCORDING TO HER, YES.
FUNDING.
>> IT HAS BEEN ACTUALLY 4 LONG
YEARS SINCE 2009 THAT OHIO
VOTERS HAD THE CHANCE TO VOTE ON
A GAMBLING QUESTION, IT WAS
NEARLY YEARLY THING UNTIL WE
APPROVED CASINOS IN 2009.
SUPPORTERS OF INTERNET CAFE WANT
TO PUT CASINOS ON THE BALLOT.
THEY WANT TO OVERTURN THE LAW,
AND OTHERS CALL ILLEGAL GAMBLING
PARLORS OUT OF BUSINESS.
IS THIS A WAY -- IS THIS THE
STRATEGY TO OVERTURN THE LAW OR
DELAY IT BEING PUT IN PLACE FOR
A COUPLE OF YEARS?
>> WELL, I THINK A BIT OF BOTH,
CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE
MAKING MONEY AND YOU KNOW,
OPERATING THESE, OR THEY WOULD
NOT BE IN BUSINESS.
BUT THE ISSUE FOR YOU IS, THIS
IS KIND OF A CRAZY AMENDMENT, IT
WILL TAKE THE LAW BACK TO WHERE
WE ARE TODAY, IF THEY HAVE A
REFERENDUM, WHICH IS TODAY WE DO
NOT KNOW IF IT'S LEGAL OR NOT
LEGAL.
MIKE DEWINE SAID IT'S NOT LEGAL
AND WE HAVE COUNTY PROSECUTORS
THAT SAY IT'S NOT LEGAL.
AND WE HAVE A COURT OF APPEALS
DECISION THAT SAYS THEY ARE NOT
LEGAL.
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE
SUPPORTERS STAND TO GAIN BY
PUSHING THIS.
BECAUSE IT BASICALLY BRINGS IT
BACK TO, ONCE AGAIN, THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE COURT
OF APPEALS THAT ALL SAID IT'S
ILLEGAL AS IT STANDS NOW.
>> BUT MARK WEAVER WHO IS
WORKING WITH THE PEOPLE THAT
WANT TO BRING IT TO THE BALLOT,
WORKING WITH THE SWEEPSTAKES
OPERATORS, BASICALLY, HE IS
SAYING THAT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO
IS TAKE IT BACK TO WHERE IT IS
RIGHT NOW AND HOPE THEY GET
REGULATION VERSUS OUTLAWING IT
ALL TOGETHER.
THEY THINK THAT IS THE WAY TO
GO.
>> THEY ARE TRYING TO FORCE A
COMPROMISE.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPE OF
REGULATION BILLS THAT WERE
INTRODUCED THAT WOULD PUT THEM
UNDER THE OHIO LOTTERY
COMMISSION AND REQUIRE THE
MACHINES TO BE CHECKED BY A
THIRD PARTY OPERATOR.
YOU KNOW, REPORTS TO BE FILED.
INSPECTORS I THINK, AND THE
PORTION WOULD HAVE TO GO TOWARD
SOME CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION
LIKE THE REST OF OHIO GAMBLING
AND THEY WOULD -- THE CAFE
OPERATORS WOULD MUCH PREFER THAT
OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT KEEPS THEM
IN BUSINESS.
THAT IS THE MESSAGE YOU WILL
SEE, NOT ONLY DOES IT SAVE OUR
JOBS BUT YOU KNOW, REGULATE US
AND TAKE A CLOSER LOOK.
>> AND OF COURSE, THE PROBLEM
IS, THAT YOU HAVE COMPETITION
THE STATE OF OHIO IS ENGAGED IN
AGAINST THE STATE OF OHIO, AND
THE BUSINESS OF GAMBLING AND
THEY WOULD PREFER TO NOT HAVE
COMPETITION FROM THESE
INDIVIDUALS.
>> AND THE CASINOS DO NOT WANT
IT FROM THEIR INTERNET CAFE.
A BIG SURPRISE, WITH 4 BIG
CASINOS OPENING UP.
>> AND -- THIS IS -- IF IT DOES
GET TO THE BALLOT AND THERE'S A
CAMPAIGN, THERE'S MONEY BEHIND
IT.
WE SAW THAT WITH THE REPORT OF
THE LOBBYIST AND WHAT THEY WERE
GIVING TO THE SENATE AND SENATE
MEMBERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S MONEY THERE.
>> THEY NEED A LOT OF SIGNATURES
AND IT HAS TO BE FROM HALF OF
THE 88 COUNTIES.
>> 90 DAYS TO DO IT.
>> 90 DAYS TO DO IT.
I THINK IT'S A TOUGH TASK.
>> ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL SEE, NOW, FINAL TOPIC,
WE ARE IN THE FINAL STAGES OF
THE STATE BUDGET PROCESS, TWO
WEEKS TO GO BEFORE THE END OF
THE FISCAL YEAR.
HOUSE AND SENATE LAWMAKERS ARE
TRYING WORK OUT DIFFERENCES
BETWEEN EACH CHAMBERS' SPENDING
PLANS, BIG DIFFERENCES REMAIN ON
TAXES AND MEDICAID EXPANSION.
THE NEW BILL SURFACED THIS WEEK,
ADDRESSING MEDICAID REFORM BUT
NO REAL EXPANSION IN THERE.
>> YEAH, NO REAL EXPANSION AND I
THINK THE PROBLEM, IF YOU LOOK
AT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE
MEDICAID, IS THAT A LOT OF THE
REPUBLICANS REALLY HATE IT.
BECAUSE THEY SEE IT AS OBAMA
CARE, AND THEY CAMPAIGNED
AGAINST OBAMA CARE AND THEY
DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT EVEN
LEANS TO.
THAT WHAT YOU ALSO SEE ON THE
OTHER SIDE IS THAT, THERE ARE
CHANGES COMING.
THE FEDS ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW
WHAT?
WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY
WE REIMBURSE MEDICAID AND THE
WAY WE DO BUSINESS.
AND IF YOU ARE NOT ON BOARD, YOU
ARE NOT GOING TO GET THE MONEY
THAT YOU HAVE BEEN GETTING IN
THE PAST AND THAT POSES A HUGE
PROBLEM FOR OHIO, BECAUSE OHIO
IS A HUGE MEDICAID STATE.
>> WELL, THIS COULD PASS WITH,
YOU KNOW, THEY JUST PUT IT OUT
ON THE FLOOR, IT'S THE
LEADERSHIP THAT IS HOLDING THIS
UP.
IN PARTICULAR, HOUSE SPEAKER
BILL BATCHELDER IS HOLDING UP
THE MEDICAID EXPANSION ISSUE,
AND YOU ARE RIGHT, IT'S THE
WHOLE OBAMA CARE SCARE CROW KIND
OF THING, IT'S BOGUS.
IT WILL HURT ALL THE PROVIDERS
AND DOCTORS AND IT WILL -- AND
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BY THE WAY
RECEIVES A LOT OF MONEY FROM
THESE FOLKS.
YOU HAVE BASICALLY A HOUSE
SPEAKER HIMSELF HOLDING IT UP.
THE VOTE IS IN THE SENATE AND
THEY ARE GOOD.
>> I WAS INTERESTED IN JOE'S
COMMENTARY, AS THE LEGISLATORS
THEMSELVES, I HAD THE FEELING
WHEN THIS CAME UP THAT IT WAS
NOT THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND
SENATE, BUT IT WAS IN FACT THE
BASE.
THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE THAT WERE
OPPOSING AND THEN THREATENING
THEM, BUT THAT IN THE ABSENCE OF
THAT, THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE A
PROBLEM ACCEPTING THE MILLIONS
DOLLARS THAT -- FEDERAL DOLLARS
THAT WOULD BE COMING IN WITH THE
EXPANSION.
>> THEY WOULD ACCEPT IT WITH
DEMOCRAT VOTES, THEY CAN PASS
IT.
IT WON'T BE A PROBLEM IN THE
HOUSE EITHER IF THEY ACCEPT
DEMOCRATIC VOTES, RIGHT?
>> RIGHT, RIGHT, THAT'S THE BIG
THING, THE DEMOCRATIC VOTES.
AND THE TEA PARTY HAS SHOWN THEY
ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE, AND THEY
ARE NOT DEAD AND THEY HAVE
ORGANIZED A GRASSROOTS EFFORT TO
MEET WITH THE LAWMAKERS AND SAY,
HEY, LOOK, THIS IS A LOT OF
MONEY.
WE HAVE A HUGE FEDERAL DEBT AND
IT'S OBAMA CARE.
>> IT'S AN ARGUMENT CONCERNING
SPENDING NOT REVENUES COMING TO
THE STATE OF OHIO.
>> YOU ARE TRYING TO BE
RATIONAL.
>> THIS IS "COLUMBUS ON THE
RECORD."
>> WE CAN START HERE, WE CAN
SAY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO
CONTRIBUTE TO THIS BROKEN
PROGRAM, AND IF OTHER STATES
JOIN US, WHICH THEY HAVE, WE
WILL FORCE CHANGE FROM THE
GROUND UP.
>> YES.
I AGREE.
THAT IS EXACTLY THE POSITION
THAT THEY ARE TAKING AND I THINK
IF THIS SAME PROGRAM HAD BEEN
ADVANCED BY A REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENT OR A REPUBLICAN
CONGRESS AT THE TIME, THEN, WE
WOULD NOT BE SEEING THIS KIND OF
UPSET.
>> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE NEED
TO DECIDE IS ONE PARTY GETS TO
VOTE, IT DISENFRANCHISES VOTERS
IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
THE VOTERS ARE SAYING THEIR
REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS DO
NOT COUNT.
>> PARTING SHOTS?
>> BACK TO THE MEDICAID, I THINK
IT WILL PASS WHEN IT GETS AN UP
AND DOWN VOTE IN THE SENT.
>> THE CITY HAS SHAKEN LOOSE THE
$90 MILLION RENOVATION OF THE
FRANKLIN COUNTY MUNICIPAL COURT,
THAT BUILDING WAS OPENED IN 1975
AND THE ORIGINAL FURNITURE IS
STILL THERE.
>> BACK IN STYLE AGAIN.
>> WHEN THIS BUDGET COMES OUT,
WE ARE GOING TO SEE SOME TYPE OF
PLACE HOLDER IN IT FOR SOME SORT
OF MEDICAID EXPANSION, BUT I DO
NOT THINK IT WILL BE CALLED
THAT, IT WILL BE CALLED
SOMETHING DIFFERENCE AND I THINK
WE ARE GOING TO VERY SOON SEE A
WORKING GROUP COME OUT WITH AN
ALTERNATIVE.
>> JACKIE?
>> JUNE 14th IS FLAG DAY, THE
ARMY'S BIRTHDAY AND THE BIRTHDAY
OF MY LITTLE SISTER, SO I HAVE
TO GIVE HER A SHOUT OUT SO SHE
WILL WATCH.
>> HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
>> THE MAYOR WAS RELUCTANT TO
TALK ABOUT THE BIG PARK PROJECT,
COULD BE THE BECAUSE THE DETAILS
ARE BEING WORKED OUT.
BUT I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WHAT
YOU ARE SEEING IN TURKEY.
ALL THE TEAR GAS, AND PROTESTS,
STARTED WITH A PROTEST OVER A
PARK, HE IS TREADING CAREFULLY
WHEN IT COMES TO DOWNTOWN,
DOESN'T WANT IT HERE.
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