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so the argument that we can act because the UN has an authorized it
art that would be a good argument if our the reason the UN in authorize it was
because
they didn't know if the
Syrian government had been responsible for the chemical weapons or they didn't
know if the chemical weapons actually
had even taken place but we know that's not the reason the UN is a gun authorize
that the reason you are when authorizes because a rush it's because I've
political reasons not cause and it's not just political list its geopolitical and
its petrol political but of
but beyond but in let me just push back on what you said as congressman Grayson
pointed out he didn't do it on this program but he did a very well in
television yesterday
the intelligence that John Kerry has shared with us
the the intelligence that was presented in the Classified reviens
and there has been on quite that has been declassified as well
suggests that members at the Syrian military
knew about the gassing that does not mean
it was ordered by the Syrian military when it does not mean that it was
ordered by Bashir
a be sure elsa el-assad but even if it was
it's not our business
well I don't I don't think I don't I disagree with that in a sense that
I think the United States does have a role and I think international law
what what is consist the role about preventing humanitarian disasters now
now if then then you've got half the world right now living on less than two
dollars a day you get two billion people right now on this planet who do not have
access to
to clean water or sanitation you have 50,000 children a day dine simply
because a dirty water
why are we not doing something about that
if that's all of our role as a humanitarian role
Tom I listen to all the time and I know that I know deep down you know
I don't know P Arnold liberals will buy this argument because you can make this
argument for everything why
it domestically why helped are the poor when there are middle class people
struggling why
owed to why invest in food still you're here you're misinterpret your year
your create either creating a straw man are due or
distorting my words I'm not sure which but by point is Michael
that if we decide that we should have a humanitarian role in the world and I
think we should
then we should have a foreign policy is designed to heal people and to feed
people
and to promote democracy but a we should not have a foreign policy in my opinion
that is designed to kill people and blow things up
unless we've been attacked and we have not been attacked by Syria
so just to make just to make my final my file play which is
that there are very good arguments not to invade Syria
are for example the oil pipeline argument she been making if our
if our actions irrational are actually
legitimate if they are to it increase our
oil or to increase your political reasons sense it's a completely
illegitimate invasion or use of force but
if our if our up actions are for humanitarian
or be really are for humanitarian reasons I think it's
still illegitimate it is still illegitimate Eve
if we are going in there because a bad guy did some bad things to his people to
is good people too is innocent
to innocent children and you know whether it's 1400 people killed by his
by poison gas
or $4.4 million refugees and and probably
the hundred thousand dad four million refugees displaced
if we go in for humanitarian purposes with
our military where does it stop I could
I could make a very good case Michael and I why would have no problem in fact
I'd be pleased to make that case
that we should be providing security
to the refugee camps in in the in the
Jordan and in Turkey we should be providing food and medicine to the
refugee camps in Jordan and Turkey
we should be doing everything we can mean you know many these refugees are
now starting to go back to Syria because the camps have become
hell holes the waters no good they're starting to have cholera epidemics there
have a I do you need is
just horrible stuff is going on there we should be
providing security and food I'm but I'm all about that %uh
time were dosed with those measures have prevented let's say the Rwandan genocide
I mean we'd I think we all agree that we should have
use military force in rwanda I do not agree with that made a big mistake
your okay now I think most I think many liberals would agree that
United States if we can do something we should I believe that had we had a
rational foreign policy in the first place
that we insist that after we know when when
when the British and in the case a rwanda the belgians
but as I recall pulled out of the region had we gone
if we were to go in if we had we gone and strengthen democratic institutions
and build schools
and help build the Institute infrastructure for both business and
democracy
the Rwandan genocide never would have happened debt over US a hundred percent
true but so it's in is
is in this world what what when when there's a genocide taking place and we
didn't take that so let's suppose let's take you know we have limited amounts of
money
let let's take that money and instead of putting it on a hot bezels
let's put it in a building those schools let's put it in a building those
hospitals
and in right now in the present emergency let's put it into building
refugee camps
I mean I was in I was in northern Uganda 1980 and 1981
literally building refugee camps I help build a refugee camp
refugees because the Academy's young people from there from the cattlemen's
region of northern
Uganda as a consequence India means man having gone through and slaughtered
every male over the age of 10
and *** most of the women and we had all these when all these little babies
and all these very young children and it was an absolute disaster and I was
literally
you know on several days driving a bulldozer we were doing where Kurt
building mass graves
because people were dying from caution cora from from from
starvation we should be doing in
not building mass graves god forbid but we should be
in there feeding those refugees
that's important work that's God's work but dropping bombs
taking out you know I just you know I
do not see how in yet asserting ourselves militarily
when we have not been attacked and we have no legal basis for
is going to advance the interests up the United States for
up peace in the world and those are my two criteria
Michael thank you for the call I understand your outrage
you know your moral outrage everybody's upset rightfully
what's the appropriate response