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FAIR IS FAIR.
SOMEBODY HAS TO GIVE UP ALSO
SOME THAT'S REAL.
>> I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING
NEGOTIATIONS ON OINTO MANIA CARE
ON THE DEBT CEILING.
IN FACT THE HOUSE CONSERVATIVES
TOLD THE LEADERSHIP WE DIDN'T
WANT NEGOTIATION ON THE DEBT
CEILING ABOUT OBAMA CARE.
WE WANTED NEGOTIATIONS ABOUT
DEBT, FUTURE DEFICITS, ABOUT ALL
THOSE THINGS.
THIS WOULD BE A CONCESSION ON MY
PART -- I WOULD DO A DEBT
CEILING INCREASE FOR SIX WEEKS,
AND I WOULD KEEP FIGHTING ON THE
CONTINUING RESOLUTION AND OBAMA
CARE.
SEPARATE THE TWO ISSUES.
I DON'T WANT TO WORRY ABOUT THE
CREDITWORTHYNESS.
>> THAT'S INTERESTING.
YOU WOULD ACCEPT A SIX-WEEK
CLEAN DEBT CEILING VOTE.
>> THAT MEANS THE GOVERNMENT IS
STILL SHUTDOWN WHILE THAT'S
OCCURRING.
>> IT WILL BE, BUT AT LEAST WE
DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE
CREDITWORTHYNESS.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANY REPUBLICAN IN
THE HOUSE WANTS TO ACTUALLY
BRIDGE THE DEBT CEILING.
WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
THAT.
I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO
NEGOTIATE.
ON THE OTHER ISSUE, BUT WE DON'T
HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE NATION
GOING INTO CHAOS IF ANYTHING
HAPPENS.
>> I THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM
WITH LEAVING THE GOVERNMENT SHUT
DOWN BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT ON
WHAT IS HAPPENING TO PEOPLE.
THE REALITY OF THAT IMPACT.
>> BUT YOU WANT US TO SURRENDER
ON EVERYTHING.
>> NO, NO, I'M SAYING WHY --
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW THAT
YOU ALL HAVE ENGAGED IN.
I RECALL WHEN WE GOT TO THE
BRINK ON THE LAST DEBT CEILING.
WHAT DO WE DO SIX WEEKS FROM NOW
IF YOU DON'T GET EVERYTHING YOU
WANT, DO WE THEN JUST KEEP
MOVING ALONG?
YOU BRING US TO THE BRINK OF THE
CLIFF EVERY TIME.
>> BUT HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO
NEGOTIATE.
WE'RE GIVING HIM THE
OPPORTUNITY.
>> BUT THEN WHAT -- IS THERE
IF WE -- WITH THE NEGOTIATIONS,
IF YOU DON'T GET EVERYBODY THAT
YOU WANT, WHAT DO YOU WANT?
>> I JUST CAVE IN?
>> THIS IS WHY A LESSON LEARNED
IS IMPORTANT.
CLINTON AND I MET VASTLY MORE
OFTEN THAT I WE WANTED TO, BUT I
WANT TO ASK YOU THIS.
IF I COULD.
IF THE REPUBLICANS BROUGHT UP A
CLEAN SIX-WEEK DEBT CEILING,
WITHOUT GETTING INVOLVED 2349
FIGHT OVER THE SHUTDOWN, DO YOU
THINK THAT THE CAUCUS WOULD BE
WILLING TO VOTE TO GIVE US SIX
MORE WEEKS TO TALK?
>> WELL, THE CAUCUS HAS BEEN
GIVE TO GIVE A SIX-WEEK REPRIEVE
FOR TALKING WITH REGARD TO THE
SHUTDOWN OF THE GOVERNMENT.
WHY ARE WE SEPARATING THE TWO
OUT?
LET'S REOPEN THE GOVERNMENT.
WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION
ABOUT THE DEBT CEILING, I WON'T
PUT A TIME FRAME ON IT, BUT IF
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK,
I BELIEVE IN HAVING THAT
OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THESE
THINGS, TO NEGOTIATE.
IN THE SHUTDOWNS THAT OCCURRED,
THE SHUTDOWN WAS OVER A SPENDING
ISSUE, NOT 11 TIMES, IT WAS
ABOUT A SPENDING ISSUE.
FOUR TIMES IT WAS CONTRAEIGHT.
TWO TIMES IT WAS CONTRAAID,
WHICH WAS SPENDING AREAS.
IN A TAX CUT FOR THE WEALTHY.
FAST FORWARD 2013, THE -- IT IS
ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT,
AND SHUTTING THE GOVERNMENT
DOWN.
WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT,
UNDERLYING EVERYTHING, AND THIS
IS REALLY FUNDAMENTAL IN TERMS
OF A REPUBLICAN PARTY.
IT IS ROLLBACK, SOCIAL INSURANCE
THAT BENEFITS WORKING AND
MIDDLE-CLASS FAMILIES.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
>> WHAT WE SAID AT THE TIME IS
IT WAS ABOUT WELFARE REFORM,
ABOUT REFORMING THE ENTITLEMENTS
AND GETTING TO A BALANCED
BUDGET.
THE ONLY FOUR CONSECUTIVE
BALANCED BUDGETS IN YEAR