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This is Sunday, May the 6th seminar, some very interesting information from Jacque and Venus.
And, i'm only going my interpretation of addiction.
I would say any human beign brougth up under a condition of particular sounds,
they don't remember most sounds, unless they are related to something.
If a bird makes a particular sound, and they eat that bird,
and then it tastes good to them, that value system.
Then they listen from that bird more than any other bird,
because is the reinforce system, is that clear so far?
Addiction is anything that you tend to repeat
and if you hear the word 'taboo'
which means forbidden you might can hurt, or kill, or die,
if you enter certain glass.
So, that word may cause people to stay away from certain things.
They could be adicted to stay away of certain things, do you understand that?
Automatically, they stay pull their children away,
if there addiction or condition surelly happens.
So, if you find yourself, or if you even did,
singing commercials, you know, to for back forward
If you ear the offer enough, you will sing it. And you don't really know that you are singing it.
Music is also addictive.
Eventually, if you hold a radio walking down the street around the time,
you building an associative system that tends to repeat itself.
How do you find addiction?
First of all, i want to you know that addiction could be anything.
It could be addicting to smelling flowers,
flowers you can't help but sniff.
It can be an addiction do you do it often enough,
if the association can be ofthen enough or frequently used
that would say the person, automatically,
don't even know that they sniff
if they are being doing often enough
the man that smell flowers once a year
so addict they and smell it.
That's why we sing commercials,
or we see stricted time denied
grandmothers repeat it over and over again.
They may be addcited to slogan or words,
but they are not addicted in the same sense,
as having done over four hundred times,
as saying two and two is four all day long,
because it eliminated their assotiations.
As almost the same, a long period of time of repeating something
it is not unlike an addiction,
get out of the house, it's burning.
That is a strong conviction, because they know that the house will kill you if you don't get out.
So, you're addicted to the when the house is on fire gets the people out,
you don't care about, you just watch the fire,
but it depends on how often people would like hurt by the fire.
So, you're locked on things when saying,
different agrees of intensity,
depending on your connection.
If your child burn in fire you lost in the fire,
then, the word fire has a different meaning on the average person.
So, what you are addicted to depends on your association with it.
Now, how do you change addiction?
First way to change it is not to become addicted to anything,
Meaning, don't keep listening to music,
if you do, you will be hummingly you like it or not,
or you will be making any noise associating with these pleasure to you.
There are people were buying those songs of song birds.
I find birds very annoying, because they don't sing long enough,
they just make
over and over again, and no variations on it. So i find them painful.
But lots of people loves the sounds of birds singing.
they are not singing, they are making certain sounds.
Why do i say that they are singing?
Because to us, it sound like singing, but very painful to me,
rather than painful lion or tiger roars i leave the area,
because something i hear in the hoods, i leave the area by association
i don't know what believe or not unless uncount is pleasured.
How can you break addiction again?
Long time addiction, when the body is automatically responding to it,
or you feel you can live without it, or you think certain person.
There are people that lives,
when lives of best friend dies because they can't live without them.
that becomes addicted to a person when you can't live without.
The more friends you have, it's easier to live without a certain person.
But you all own live will never go anywhere
and they have being killed, or missing, or kidnaped, then they will live in pain,
but you have many associations, many people that you know that pleasure
you less become that addicted any one person
So, you avoid addiction, avoid super dependency,
and also you have all your problems solved
that puts issues on a morning
and feed you with spoon seven years old, or ten years old,
you become addicted
brings a food over became addicted to that performance,
and it is very difficult to you to break that if occurred of a long period of time.
So, in order to break addiction, don't go get in involved repetition too long in period of time.
However persons already addicted exposed in other things,
so these other things become more important to them.
So, it's religion and you get addicted to it.
And so, more things you are exposed, less problem is your addiction.
also, unless do you understand that?
it's easier, but it's long term it's harder,
because the association system is almost like uncontrollable to do something.
And what i say about addiction is try to is try to avoid repetition of words that has very little meaning,
and try to avoid repetition of an unhealty dependency. You know what that means?
You smoke cigars, and even environment that smokes cigars, is very hard to break that habit.
But when if you first get that, it's lets say i'm addicted, i became hurt fisically, i cough,
even if gets a reason to walk out, otherwise that will be resent to working out, to say get an alergy against that.
Is like saying, hey, i don't like you guys smoking, that is an attack, and they receive that as an attack.
So, it depends on how you put it. Again, i repeat, in order to avoid addiction,
stay away from long continued practice and exposure on any system.
Now, there are useful addictions, taking the depressing every morning when you get into stretching, that is useful addiction,
it doesn't hurt you, it does you good,
so, you can be addicted to useful things, like somebody expose to go like that,
if they can get good addict they will avoid being hit,
so, that is an useful type of avoidance.
Addiction is not avoidance when you became addicted, you are less able to avoid.
It's hard a person not to listen the music when he hears it, if you are addicted to it,
like turn it off because i don't want to be addicted to it.
As a kid i found myself singing television commercials.
Now, what what the hell i might singing?
Any human being tends to repeat any sound system repeated over again.
When commercial whatever it's a song song, whatever it's a proverb, anything else.
So, if you get it in a habit of trying to change people by short quotations,
like "state in time a say is denied", "a bird in a hand is worth to tend to bush".
If you get used to that, you stop thinking.
But if you use once a year or months, it's not addiction.
How can these individuals select what is an addiction?
You ask yourself, what use is that?
Suppose that tell you that a bank control America,
and the government only interested in the American interest.
Now, if you have an investiment in this country,
it is important to you give up investment freely,
which is highly improbable, because you get addicted to the institutions,
and you find say you let's share resources with the world,
and you say, no, i got all the resources i want, right now,
i don't want to share with the world. Okay? i can't undestand that.
But, if you can do this, and if you can convince people that will be better off,
five years from now, eight years from now, they might be able to do that.
The probability is very low, unless you have a pitch,
like a, i think in the next four months you receive results. That is also good.
So, you would say, four years now you will be able to get anything you want.
And i would say, look, right now, i got a car
a cabin cruiser, a beautiful wife and three kids. Why should i surrender that?
Unless it's falling apart, and you can see it.
And even if they live in a house you see riots occuring in America,
might get back to agree, when riots appearing, marching people,
and they pleased being shot, and i think, falling apart,
then, your home is not that secure anymore.
You can convince people that the way things are going, they will lose what they got.
And that's hard to do unless on those social conditions are occurring.
And they are occuring too late in the mean of the current changement.
Meaning, if you take some roof guy before it get now,
that would be heavily invested on the stablishment point of view.
So, the way you deal with that, you say,
what is this doing for me, and what is that in result be,
and try to think it out the best you can
then make a decision, the decision you make will force you upon everything you know,
as everything you do is in rest now,
your decisions are based on what you have being exposed to.
So, to avoid certain addictions, trying to find out,
how you might benefit by another system
or you be home in another system comes in.
Now if you live in many country cities, they give up judge, put in jail, and maybe assassinated.
So, there is not about give up decision
if they fear people arrived killed them anyway,
take them out, do you know what i mean?
Do you talk about related to this
where you said everytime you or you say religions
even know it is a repetition burn a pathway.
Yes, yes, that's true, but you sing a song, it's just the same old pathway,
it's a new one refering to the old one.
Whenever you say 'how are you madam'?
you mean should be mrs. Josephine,
when you say 'hi madam' again, it may mean mrs. Burnstine, do you know what i mean?
Some other person, so it is a different association with the same words.
Now, you can go ahead and invent your own words with everybody,
because everyone will talk to people anymore, and you wont know what they are you talking about.
So, you have to communicate, and you must use a language, as it is conventionally used, even knowing that doens't mean anything.
You have to do that until you turn memoron. As you turn memoron, you could use a special language with that person.
You can take language and do what you want, but that's how you work with left of that.
More things, so, it's the same sort of thing, there even are thousand telephatic schemes if you know how to deal with.
I told you if you take this couple and put it about four o'clock, unless it is top filled.
Four o'clock means Kennedy, and six o'clock is about here, you know? So, six o'clock means president Johnson
Would you like some chocolate? That means Kennedy, and it makes all kind of things,
and the average person tends to listen to the language as used.
You say when the most people from a long time, and wouldn't you feel that form of communication
would be a good addiction to have because it shortens up,
you don't really need to carry out some other words you have that connection with somebody.
As long as you understand what are you doing, as long you must understand what is going on.
But you think that is the right way, that is the truth, as one can say.
As it is to say it is a stablishment for you, but we start to walking on, that is the truth through the only way.
I would say that the only way you're going to avoid war is by sharing the earth resources, i can't mention another way.
Unless somebody come out on the cloud and say no more war. But, i can't imagine any other way. That's all i'm saying.
So, unless we share the earth's resources with everybody,
and if we can find a way to do that, to convince everybody, they will join it,
but if they will be skeptical of you, they wouldn't join you.
So, i think most of the people will not joining, all it takes is three or four nations to join,
and then we became such a powerful liverage, i think then these will follow.
And what if these tools to, not attack people, but you know, saving your own prescription drugs,
or they are drinking now you, or they have wrong addictions,
what or if they metaphysics people can count about,
what are approaches without attacking them, let them understand, hey, it's an addiction, there...
Well, i would say other points of view others than your own, not at all.
Under seven days, that's it, get off. That you can do it, but it's not worth it.
And a person says, well, i believe in this particular method Lebowski, you know what i am talking about?
He had lots of views on metaphysic essays, you see, only missing many ideas.
About an idea with different considering in the way you think, but there are, i'll try to understand them.
That's good if you can anything like that, but you get, no, no, method Lebowski came directly from divine inspiration, if they come back very hard wired, get off.
But when they say i guess other ideas. But when they listen to you, remember that they are listening, that they are training the method Lebowski,
they can only hear in that way, and you can interpret in different ways,
because they say they never thought on that, that is the point, that means broke the bond.
If person says "let me think about it", and they come back talking about free will, you know, and you try to take away from free will, remember,
it's taking away the identity of the person, they lose their identity, because overall you are the person making the choices.
And if you take that way from people, without replacing something.
You get something for in criticizing the government, or criticizing the police department.
If you have no control over that, and can't do anything about that, leave it alone.
Until you build enough of following to affect control.
And if you can, i think alcoholics anonymous have saying something
about go on and give the power to accept the things i cannot change,
you know, and changes the things i can.
Well, your hability to change things will grow, when you say i can't,
that's now, what is more a lot of things by getting better tools,
and if your tools are not going any better, you call people down, or get any people, or you say i need no tools.
That is harder to do, okay? See if we have other things.
Now, there are other types of addiction. Chemical addiction is very different.
If you were in narcotics long enough, if you smoke long enough to change the body's chemistry,
so it needs that sensation of marijuana or whatever you smoke.
That is an addiction if you're on it long enough.
I know somebody sleeps on the LSD one, inside a date, they couldn't give a redirect,
they couldn't fault coming over, and i wanted to sleep, and it did not affect them
maybe it's the only, whatever they sleep great number of different circumstances i don't know what are they about,
open the is fine, but i don't know.
I can't say certain things about myself.
As far as when people says me, Jacque, what do you really like?
I say, as you asked Roxanne, you asked Joel, or you ask Pheenee, or you ask Mike,
and you get a different picture, you know.
So, i can't tell you what i like, i can't even tell what i observe of do to, the extent of the what i do able to.
And about what i do, i would say, why do you do that, it doesn't seems like you,
beating up kids for no reason at all, you know him, you beat up this kid,
i said that kid gave me a before you came to us with a picture.
You put your and lead it. But if you don't check it out, you may be sure that you don't project if is the child ***, you know?
And give yourself a chance to explain that way, and with that sort of explanation,
you have to wait, until they do another things that are contradictory.
And people would contradict themselves many times,
because they, in many different situations, we don't always understand the reason for certain people reaction.
When i saw these girls squeeze again in their, when everybody is doing it
i found that it might be something wrong, or might some people rejecting a terrible taste, on that got umbrella.
So i tried it. I got the taste like it clear. But i only lived on the sweets.
And that were discuss you, is your interpretation of the event.
It's very hard not to project. It's not easy. You know?
It's almost an automatic process. Any other question about addiction?
Chemical addiction is much more difficult, because it alters the bodies and the decision making systems.
And also alter your feelings without something, without a drug or something that you need.
Or you needing encouragement not from everybody, but from person you respect.
If you get encouragement from the principal of your school, you are doing a very good job,
and maybe will be all right, but if you get encouragement from some person that you don't even respect at all, it doesn't work.
So, it's your attitude, that habits on everything that happens, unfortunatelly.
Evolves on free atitude, you know what that means?
Unfortunatelly. It's very hard to set back and be objective. Clear your mind of your background.
Very difficult to do. So if i behave in a way, or see me beating a snake or something, say why are you beating that snake,
or say the fire put out the fire, you know what it is,
but here, the other person, now, before you acusing him of anything, it's very hard to be that objective.
I would say what they call a lonelier, you know that people like that?
that are loneliers that don't associate with many people, they make their own enforcements.
It's called ego, or it's called for that person, stainability, and make their own ego.
That why God put me here and help the world, and make they feel good.
When you say God, then you say put they on make trouble on the world.
Otherwise they will gonna beat you up, there will be a reaction to those words you're dealing with.
So when you people find out people reacts strongly to certain words,
say how do you interpret those words, you wanna ask them.
That is terrible you don't believe in God, everybody believes in God.
Is there a belief in something, and there are people like that, you must be allowed for that.
If you are surprised by what that people say, you need to fix the allowances. You fix what you think people react to.
Unless what you do is check it out so much easier.
Say why do you *** on the cat, that's why the cat is wild didn't ***, i didn't *** on the cat.
You know, what it is here is the mouth of what do you want to project.
Is the cat ***? it's very, very difficult to be objective really, it's very difficult to arrive by yourself,
like about only write biography only writed about what occurred,
i walked into the building, and there was Albert Einstein city, and then he said what can i do for you?
How can i build? And how will not report being surprised by their city in the comuna, you know?
Because you have no business supposing what do you will sitting in.
But you sure ask them. So, you don't go feeling a nonsense.
I give you a extremelly tablet to avoid, nothing was there as extreme as i could.
So, no one can write about themselves, it's pretty fairminded, openminded, no one can be openminded.
You mean you any kind of value system. So, you have to take a people with a fixed set,
which you say in order to survive, and have the attitudes to go in the world, and a living is a right way to do it.
That is fix attitude, but you accomodate attitude,
to accomodate anything that suits then that all with everybody else you don't want to work with those people.
This is how to get you. I don't know anything else i can help you out.
Chemical addiction is much more difficult.
If you can device a chemical, that neutralizes the addict of chemical,
you have to study the other benefits they have also, the useful and the not useful effects.
Now, if the person prioritarely tries to find their life or there are clarity over a long period it goes in line,
you have to decide what do you want to go inline and take their live in these decisions,
you might be based on your background, and that is what to do with your background. But you will conclude.
Do you feel that today, a lot of people that do have addictions, and then they get away from?
Patriotism is unhealty addiction, because it kind of shuts your mind of to other nations.
And let's say if children brought up with that demonstration only,
it's a much better system, because they can't get off when they say, it's very hard to get off what they see.
Addiction is anything that brought up to reactive, strongly, what would be drugs, habits, music, anything,
that in degree which will be stronger with drugs.
You could always put a radio down and learn new things, but with addiction,
the kind of addiction was induced by drugs,
seems to change your physiological response,
like alcohol, man would kill for it.
When you put alcohol in a bottle painted in white, so that is milk on it.
You see? I knew people that are addicted, and what they did to conceal that addiction from their friends,
or whiskey in the cup just like coca cola, because people find out other people will try to take over,
and keep you away from liquor.
And let's say there is a little go on do you work, but you can if you're addicted, and people will take it away from you.
And makes it almost impossible for you. That's why government treat these senders,
give you a little bit of narcotic, a little bit of some alcohol, and narcotic in the tobacco, to quietly smoking.
But that is one way, but it isn't the good way. I don't consider it a good way.
And there is a lot of work to be done in that field.
Don't forget pills are a good products, they give you a pill, and that is all you want.
And then, the negative effects are not considered so much.
And it is good for the doctors too, because these guys says i don't want results and nothing happens,
and so they take these pills, and you don't want to smoke.
Drugs are imediate relief, but not in the long life.
If you become addicted to pills, and then the doctor says that you have to have structures you don't take these pills,
you know he does more than i do, but i can't tell everybody.
I have to listen to some form of statistical evidence.
I also much confidence that i used to have in doctors.
When i was i kid i thought that i knew everything.
I don't feel that it's good doctor.
And what it's good or bad, depends on the negative account.
Distract people on being involved in singing all day long, or dancing all day, or playing violin all day,
and then, the brain feels the sound, and less the other information.
I can't see anything in music except controlling the sound, and that gives you some feeling of confidence.
When you can make whatever of this sound you want to make, and you have much more control, you feel good,
but you violate on an alliance when you are hungry, or you have no food, or give you nothing.
So, unless you say it's a nothing thing, it mean in relation to survival, you can live as long when playing your violin,
and not when you have a such bad attitude, so, no misunderstanding,
whatever addiction you have may be useful, but not, it's a nothing thing.
Like dancing might move you around when you tend to do nothing, so, that's good, when compared to a person does nothing.
But what i'm saying is, if you do things like grow food, bend down, water the plants, something like that,
is a something thing, make your flowers blown, etc., that you want.
All right, so, let's start on the questions, and like Andrew said,
for this one we will have my self and Vixi answering these questions.
What would be on The Venus Project ask to you Jacque not able handle it anymore?
Well, these are one of the things that we are needing to learn that how what is about The Venus Project,
deeply on this stand as we can, so we can stand and teach everybody just as well Jacque were teaching us,
this is why so much emphasis is being put on educating ourselves.
It's not going to stop when Jacque is not around anymore. For sure we will going to missing him, tremendously,
but you know, the more that us are capable of sharing the information carrying up the better, so it's up to us to do that.
Yes, and keep in mind that Roxanne is to be alive, and she is comparativelly quite young,
she was working with him for about thirty five somewhat years directly,
should be best next thing, i suppose, as far as dealing to these ideas and transitions,
and we also have Joel and Larry living there with them and learning everyday,
we have Andrew, and we have, as you can see, this channel, us,
so, as i think, like Vixi says, he is focused on educating ourselves as best as we can, and each other.
That is the direction were made to be focused now. Because we do, in essence, keep carrying these ideas unregardless whatever happens to individuals.
Absolutelly, absolutelly.
The main need is, first of all, education, but we need people to build step up and throw up,
being able to do radio interviews, being able to do generalized interviews, creating movies and media,
for all different types of phonographics and cultures around the world,
and be able to design and product 3d designs helping out the multiple teams that are in The Venus Project set up right now.
Essentially why you see the people were very active with The Venus Project, that is why we are doing over doing this, set up across the world,
and my estimation is there are millions, if not billions of people that have this type of mind set,
this logical and clearly obvious, they just have to know that they are not alone, and that's why we create media,
that's why we create presence enough to differerent countries around the world,
and that's why we are trying to get this education out there.
And, that is all about education, all about setting up how we are going to live up to the future.
Yes, thinking that it's going to stop in a second around anymore, it's a very old way of thinking.
Yes, i struggle with, i would love to do another to do, get anywhere close to 50% of what he were able to do in his life so far as doing experiments,
and doing a lot of education, and testing, and going in a different situation but, that would taking me to the next fifty years just doing nothing but that.
I also have the other side of my mind that struggles with, well, need to find ways other people know this basic information,
because they, instead of Shawn, would like to taking this forward into next level.
So, i struggle going forward and just focus on study struggle on having others involved for success.
Okay, next question.
In the book called Site The Last, Jacque catches grow up with the around four or five other intellectuals.
What happened with these other man? Do they even become aware and contribute with The Venus Project?
Jacque would ask about it himself.
There is no information about that, at all, years before come back.
They have lectures and what they got these layered in boxes of lectures,
Jacque a big box from somebody to back them.
The next question is, do you have a transitional solution for technological unemployment before Resource Based Economy was attained?
Have you considered government some board in such of transitional idea?
That again spoken about, do you have some idea, Shawn or Andrew?
Generally , the focus of The Venus Project is a governments or entities that have control over resources,
because that will be faster transition toward actually building the first city.
So, the media, the lectures, everything, is guided towards educating public,
and convincing those who actually have these access to these resources necessary to do this.
As far as transitional solution for technology unemployment, no, i don't have direct answers for that.
Next question. What is the best way for us to arrive up the decisions during the transition?
For example, as we are implementing the waste implementing the RBE and TVP city designs?
Well, i would think same way as everything would be able to do with the scientific method to see what will be the best way to do things,
taking in account the resources in the area, and the demand of the population that is,
and then using scientific methods to decide the best way to share them out and so on.
Well, arriving in a decision for the best way to plan, to implement RBE to city designs,
it's, unfortunatelly, it's however we gain access to the necessary resources to do so, is likely how we arrived to that decision at that time.
When a situation arrives this, then we will be able to make plans, really.
But i think we can do this, or i think we can do that test, and using scientific knowledge was already proved on.
Yes, and we have complete access to the entire global resource system,
imagine that and distribute we can really achieve arriving into decisions. But during the transition, it's all confusing.
Is anybody else contributing to this answer?
We don't have the lecture about how to arrive to the first decision, as it is,
the first access we have to the first resources, so we will build the first city.
Yes that really is the hability to arrive the decisions is directly relevant to,
or referent to the system we are living, the environment we are living in.
Our hability to arrive in decisions on what is the best place to manage resources,
what is the best place to distrubute the resources between countries, etc., etc.,
we can't do any of those things until countries decides in those projects.
So, we don't arrive in decisions we are in framed reference we are available to us,
so, you know, in things like laying in a different project we got resources for,
or we got those resources to do, those kind of things will arrive into decisions, and try out different things,
will works carries out who doesn't go beyond this and etc.
Yes, can use the Google Map, or something like that, nobody decided to use this, we just decided to necessarily.
Yes, it's what i, no need to change it.
However, something else shown us might be better able to try that.
Absolutelly, i mean someone comes learn and say i found a better idea for something to use instead of Google Motor Elevator
and try if it would, etc., and implement that, it doesn't
mean it will be a model in other area.
This comes down it the whole idea of what people say
to what to extend the efficiency of resource based economy.
Do we say we get the maximum efficiency regarding the cost of the rest of reward, that is not efficient.
If you're making so efficient, but it costs you a huge ammount of resources, so, might be not that efficient.
It's really not that efficient if we waste resources like this.
So, we would take for example, an existing training system that goes around the world,
would be increased in 1% of efficiency,
a huge cost of resources both human and physical resources,
it wouldn't be effective or efficient to actually do that, so, no,
it comes in a point when you work with those works, and it's working, and people benefit it from the system,
then you can go in that system, you don't need constantly upgrade things.
It will be a level of sense of what is efficient.
It is often said that in the future, if you see psychology will be replaced by behaviour science,
it isn't this another form of behaviourism?
Well, the same is get confused between behaviourism and behavioural science.
Behavioural science is the science of understanding behaviour, is the methodology we used to work out,
and determine what are the causes observed on behaviours are.
And then, so, actually work on producing environment that shapes behaviour in a different way, so that is behavioural science is.
Behaviourism doesn't take into account the genetics of human beign,
that could cause propensities of anger, could cause propensities towards depresions and things like this.
Behaviourism is just to say...
Sorry, else, the difference with behaviour science and behaviourism is now the realise the concept the genetic sort of things, environment solid things.
Behaviour of the human being is very much made up in a mixture of the two.
So, that is the difference between behaviourism and the behaviour science.
Well, in this question, Jacque is really doing, which deals with something like psychology or behaviourism,
is doing two things: first of all is doing a critique of the current stablishment of psychology and how the institutions teach,
both learnings is not effective but cross the board, is in everybody individual,
and the huge buck of, whatever is wrong with people, and at least restless syndrome,
this particularly in the whole field, and he wanted this to be replaced with something like a more semantically correct things on the behavioural science.
Behaviourism isn't "ism", so you can not properly critique that as a work,
that behavioural science is a better formulated semantics type of that field.
Is that confusing at all?
It was hard, that is great, thank you.
Is it okay to light to people when trying to introduce TVP to them?
Something like you did when you joined the Klu-Klux-*** to make them listen to you by the similar way of values?
I don't see that is lying, because you didn't say anything that is not true.
This mean necessarily that, if you like something else, and if you lose credibility,
you have to present to in the way that they learn themself, the thing that i remember about Klu-Klux-***,
so, as he swown the, he got the audio to listen to, and then they, theirselves,
make their own decisions about who it was that speaking,
and their own projection making they think and educated write guy to be a criminal, or colleague or something,
so, it's not a question of lying, is a question on presenting things in a clever way,
so the people, so they give they face by the answer.
Is that clear that i make them understandable, that make sense?
It have made sense.
And Jacque, he uses a label as a method of getting into, and being able to search in values,
and you can interpret that, actually why is that for these examples is misleading,
but it was the only method of this procedure and getting in there, and changing the value system.
And in many cases, i see that as absolutelly true, when people were set value systems, how do you get around that,
and his was able to find some methods that works,
and he was using and giving us those examples.
So, in essence, yes, yes, it's okay.
Okay, the next question is, do you think the entertaining the academic career in their solid societies,
and using the academic career to influence and promote ideas from Venus Project
it's a good way to go there to the society?
Well, i don't see why not.
Absolutelly, because we need the media to eventually turn around in this brain washing machine that it is nowadays,
to be in the positive influence, and helping people to come to realize it when happening.
I heard him answering a question similar to this, it was in essence of, well,
if you are, do you have a choice about how to going to be educated,
educate yourself in something would be useful, and that would be very broad,
but there is another point of sort of engineering, chemistry, this type of scientists, architectural design, this sorts of things,
that would actually help you build the first city,
so, that is the way he is, i heard him explaining.
But, in essence, if you're not interested in these things, something like social sciences, is definitelly useful,
and we are trying to media that is across the board, talks to every demographic on earth.
Every culture, every language, as you can imagine,
has a huge, huge tasking, and we need people who is strong on these areas.
Jacque, how many hours do you sleep? Should have one.
Next question. If all victims of culture, and the idea is to abolish culture, then what is the alternative?
About knowledge, culture is not the idea.
The idea is to change the culture, so we change different senses through the values we learn.
Which nowadays is considered to be knowing about art, and looking in a painting on a wall,
and what you see is five or six blocks of colours on a piece of canvas.
So it's making more relevant to what is really educational,
not what is a money making system.
So we wouldn't really anymore. We will be students of culture.
Was someone possible definition culture is that,
it's your own personal set of endoctrinations,
and yes, we do want in a sense about its that,
if you want to open everybody out to other possibilities, we don't want to be endocrinated,
your country, and your villages set of values or politics, or world use,
because those can also be dangerous, and try to open up the mind,
to see many, many other cultures not in our possibilities,
and if there is no world mind, there is no culture,
it just removes your own personal culture.
Something else to consider there is, in facts of Shawn said is,
if you would like to be in your culture resource based economy,
consider this, one or another guy would solve were an nazi,
and his son doesn't believe on this ideas about this nazi party,
and whatever you go into the national party, and here as well it is, as long as it seems on the very similar lines.
Now, we would be okay if they wouldn't keep their culture.
We would be okay for the muslims take their culture.
And all point you would say, unless we talk about culture, then nothing would be even changed,
And that's the problem, culture is tied you into a certain values generally empty to someone else values,
and you always can have conflict with that.
So the idea is eventually will be evolve top of cultures, individual and nationalistic cultures,
to a global culture of people moving forward,
evolving and learning about what is relevant to the world that they are living and how that benefits them.
Yes, like those description of vague from past generations seems pretty accurated.
Another question this Jacque is going to answer,
if there is a gang doing differently?
I think that answers that come years ago, didn't he?
Did he? Can you memorize that?
I'm pretty sure if you can change one thing, it would be started earlier.
Okay, next question.
Why are you backing the container of the candidates of the presidency, never mind his ideals?
Isn't it in discordance of objective with The Venus Project?
I'm not sure that if The Venus Project is backing in the campaign of presidents or candidates,
it's this particular president or candidate who supports The Venus Project,
and on the website, it is actually, since as they are, supporting the organizations,
not that Venus project is supporting them.
So i hope that is clear.
Yes, generally there is million people coming in e-mail to Roxanne, or The Venus Project,
with their own ideas of how they want to support The Venus Project, and their own values,
and if they are with straight accordance with The Venus Project, what does Roxanne and Jacque do in the time they screwd up,
but they said, that's nice to do what you can, but please, keep learning about the Venus Project.
So, you have to be a little bit nice about this sort of thing,
but, as far as this one, yes, there is no direct support of other campaign,
it's just this kind of preson is, and support of the resource based economy,
so, it's kind of opposite direction.
If you were twenty years old today, would you change anything on your daily routine,
another question, anybody else can say something on this?
Obviously not. Okay. Next question.
Is there any of you on where we can audio material 1970's available in your online store?
Yes, from Roxanne and Joel, the deal is, as far as i know, what i said a couple of times is that,
they just received a big large box of lectures to the last month or so,
and they play this instead of higher quality than the other lectures from the 70's and 80's,
bit it takes time, they just released the movie, and they are dealing with things in the daily basis,
so it takes time for the transfer for digital, and then also transfer,
whatever, i mean, it could be hundreds of recordings, and they have to choose,
which ten, or sixteen, or twenty to put on there. So it is going to take some time.
What did you learn from bsdna?
No, i can't answer this directly, i avoid any reference to that,
and how they didn't agree a couple of things,
but he definitively had a vision to it, spoke to him, and i just, i forgot the details, i was only screwed up.
Next question. If free will does not exist, wouldn't that mean we should not held around for crimes?
Well, if we understand what the free will thing is,
what is, we don't really have free will as condition, by our experiences,
by our nation, by what we learn from children at school, from our parents, and everything,
then in a way, i suppose we answer account for a crime, however obviously,
these people come be allowed to walk around losely in this society as we live today,
they will needed to be helped
and if they are really violent they have to be separated from society so they can be held in a safe place.
So, to be held acount in your safe, it's your fault, you doomed this, and no one would say not.
Yes, definitely to that, really.
Would be like to be in the past.
Or if i can stand.
Thank you guys, that fortunatelly is about crime, how it depends, as Jacque says, it depends on environment,
and depends on what we, how we define crimes in the sense of how we strongly feel
that we are not responsible about what we do in a, if we see the bigger picture.
I am graduated in a criminal attorney, and i completelly agree with Jacque,
when he is saying that all the judges and all lawyers will be criminals
considering criminals in a new society, in a sane society,
because judges can not judge preson based on just one event on their life,
they have to see the movie, this whole life in beginning,
how person actually get in that situation which we consider as criminal behaviour,
and that sense, nobody is responsible for that,
but we have to understand what is make other people commit as we called crimes, and this is a very big issue.
Another thing that Jacque actually often said about it,
if the guy committed the crimes and watched, the third, offense, and going in jail for twenty years,
it is just give him a fight watch is give them five watches,
and then keep one year there for fifty thousand dollars, for example,
give them free health care, give them security and stuff like that,
so, their crimes and health, this is very, this is not the simple issue that can appear,
just judge or not judge for somebody did something wrong,
it depends on the situation, depends on the environment.
Yes, in a small sense, Jacque would say,
yes this question, if free will designs this,
when that meant we should not be accountable for a crime,
in that sense of, if you are product of the environment, that would be, no,
and so, those ideas to improve the environment of point where,
theoretically can reduce 99% of the crime, and that is The Venus Project.
Jacque, do you see a situation in the future where decision will be made by routine?
What i don't see any objection freak that here,
but this is something that he said a lot,
what sort of the decision would need to be taken by vote.
Because, for example, if you take that example of the bridge being made,
if it becomes evident that the bridge is needed in the city, then where is that supposed to make? You know?
Would be made in places most needed, and materials being the most adequate?
And what we need to be, the need to vote on it.
So, i have to be able to do such a decision situation need it.
Perhaps people could vote on what the design could look like, or colour, but that is about it.
The design would be designed to be the most efficient, to be the most efective use of resources,
to know waste resources on nonsense like the for the last we can put on buildings just to make it pretty, to what you consider it's pretty.
Like a person when walking around London buildings,
and i think that they look absolutelly discusting, horrible waste of resources, and they even have not a look of them.
That is a personal thing, people would bought up presonal ideas of what they think looks nice,
what you may look nicer, may look competelly different to someone else, so,
we have to come away from these swallowed centered egos atitude to the what looks great,
what do you think things to be, and what is nonsense those ideas has no relevancy to the reality we are living,
we are almost changing values and behaviours
to start taking into account what is the best ways to save in this resource in this project.
What is the materials to use on this project?
Was the minimal design we can't do to get the maximum efficiency, or maximum benefit from their structure, etc., etc.,
then they come the kind of values can be advocated in The Venus Project,
and there are those values will be determined whatever something gets build, how it gets built,
what resources is it used and how is it distributed.
Okay, but how about the colour?
This is a superficial issue. This is the kind of the values we are getting to start moving away from these superficial values,
to have no barrier on the reality we are living.
Best we can is what i know almost things that i wanna go at template,
to build the resource based economy, one by one, is absolutely minimal ammount of resources,
and maximum ammount of taking care of the humans interact with that all.
And actually, considerations such as like a colour, in first version, probably we get beyond the colour.
Well, taking in the cities, that will be so much in there that we will have done, travel about the history of the world.
One time, in fact we were involved in one time, many scarce in another time,
things like the colour, reasonable things that are very changable anyway, i don't thing that help those values in the future.
The efficiency and the economy of resources ecologically economy is concerned, will be beautiful to us.
Building that is efficient, clean, doesn't cost any side effects in the environment,
that is what we will consider to be beautiful in the future,
and i think that of being pink or green or so, and etc., etc., will be kind ahead.
Well, colour will not be an issue, i think a question was asked a couple of time why designs colour of buildings are white,
and i remember Jacque responded because it was designed for the tropical area,
but for example in the north, it can be at different colours,
so the can absorb the heat or actually in the buildings they can change colours,
it depends on the time of the year, so it can be more efficient.
Yes and they further will take so, to generate their energy and so on,
so, you know, this kind of thing could be involved with the chosing the colour,
but not in respect of the effect, better than another colour.
Okay, how do you introduce TVP concepts best in the university?
Principals, scholars, and who is the best people to go in the university?
Features on the seems. I guess it depends on who you have a contact in the university.
If you know there are a principal there, and then talk to them.
If you know something there is a student and has a contact the relationship of the scholar, then go through there.
Then, depending on the age, depending on subjects they are studying, focus the talk and the concepts on that,
for example, if you a talk to architects, the focus on that we are talking about now,
the logic behind the design, the sustainability, and so on, using the best materials and the most efficient ways, and so on.
There is a group of godness talking about ecological farming, and vertical farming, and things like this.
Go to what they can relate to.
Just doing a presentation of our lecture at the college itself should cover both of those,
because it seems obvious to show up, sometimes the professors shows us that should cover that,
and then you can move on from there.
If a sustainability project means to be built to increase productivity on the resource based economy,
but diminish the quality of life, 35% of the population live due to lack their resources,
by what formula determined who unfortunated the 35% are?
That takes a couple of minutes. Yes.
But i have to put in some, this is a really complex question,
and there are some simple questions to have to have to other and have some things.
But essentially, he determine the carrying capacity from whole earth, based on standard of living,
and there is an equation you can have to this,
this is about how much arable land, fresh water, and air supplying, with education and shelter.
Based on currently seven billion people, i estimated that giving itself at a decent standard of living,
and a really good standard of living, which hired on we have now, there we can hold hundreds of billions,
and if you are smart on it, and we have to control over that system, or we will stop.
But in essence, you will see this type of statistics projected,
you will see if there will be statistics sustaining what sustaining one billion people,
as we are aproaching fifty billion people on earth. I'm sorry, i'm not doing that by trillion.
As we are aproaching fifty, then everybody on earth will be realising this, as we exceeded one hundred,
and standard living will go down.
I believe, i think, actually, that people will make decisions to have less children in that case,
because they want to maintain their standard of living, and we were creating buffer zones for ourselves,
when this 25% is that is actually occurred, or we would have enough extra resources to build and care something like this,
without diminishing the quality of life.
Yes, i caught really think that happening, because it mean that you wouldn't take in care all of
the education of the people in regards of birth control, you know?
People will be producing more values of what is introduced at that stage.
That's billions, so that seven billion people on earth, i'd like to create my own to demonstrate that the earth can actually sustain much more.
There are all kind of different statistics and numbers that goes into the equation,
but i think that we would be smart enough when everybody on earth that has decent level of education,
and everybody on earth have access to all information at all times, we can forecast,
see these things coming, and then, make better decisions about our lifestyles,
whether you have more children or not, whether we maintain the equilibrium of fifty billion people on earth,
so we can maintain this standard of living, and until we populate another planet,
we should probably maintian fifty billion, and this is what changes decision making.
Some couples may have some would have two, what would be a sustainable thing.
Or someone have three and someone have one, so, i think all these stuff works and so,
how if everybody has a decent education and if everybody has access to all information.
Next one. Religion tells if whatever son kills his brother out of jealousy,
when they have all the world from themselves,
which destroys your idea about the human nature to religious people, which make them stop listen to us.
How would we reply to that?
That is very competititve because shows conditioning that,
i think we need to be coming from another way.
Well, sometimes, maybe makes sense to point out on all the stuff in the bible,
it says, for example, the woman should be submissive to a man, and should be in silence and obedient.
And when you see still the people in the junk solution bible and do with that,
and you can start build something, build understand what actually from this.
I think that we all have a strenght, so we say there are people that are stronger answering some sort of questions,
and that there are teams to develop methodologies on answering this type of questions.
So, the person that they are talking to is a completelly rejected by their answers.
It means probably should be answering several questions, because these stuff tends to frustrate me,
and i so will not be able to answer this type of question.
But, there are people there are much more stronger in that area,
so those people who can have the both types of media,
so this would be the most inteligent method we can go about it.
Now we have probably a long conversation that is.
Anyway. Next question. Do you think human society will envolve into something similar to TVP,
but not exactly what you are intending it?
Similar meaning not all aspects but some aspects, if we are not doomed?
Well that is oppinion from Jacque, i guess, or for many of us,
and i would repeat what we said before, it comes, so tell the future.
I kind of disagree in the sense of what we can't project forward,
based on kind of events, and previous events, to get an idea of whatsoever we are going.
I would say that if you look at the way capitalism is formed,
if you look at the way that socioeconomical systems of the world have being formed out in the last hundreds of years,
are we to say we are not moving into resource-based economy naturally.
I think if anything can getting having be forms of totalitarism,
where government will push harder, harder and harder,
to take that on these things, to take this on the way they are, manipulate the systems to benefit them at most.
This is why education is such a big thing within The Venus Project, to educate everybody.
No matter where you are in the standard system as far in the economical system was concerned.
We are in the related go with your bank, what if the police or whatever.
Everybody need educate into to what is relevant in this world benefit at most, but we are not really ahead for.
So, no, i personally don't think the way the resource based economy,
i said all the evidence in the world around of what, and the way these associated systems are going,
push and indicates that very well, and it's not the direction naturally headed in.
I think there are optimism about it might in assault i guest,
yes, it quickly answers those questions i think that the answer is,
yes, TVP is not a mandate, you don't have absolute cities that looks like,
it seems these most efficient methodology go about it
and seems that person along this mind set,
or arrive the same type of design, same type of efficiencies,
same working in conjuction with the resources on earth.
But, generally i made a statement way back,
i think two things are unevitable, resource-based economy is inevitable,
will happen if, and the other thing is inevitable is human self destruction.
So, if you keep that in a transgarden today,
i think we will find the way we really master ourselves up to a way we can live on our own,
but the other inevitability is resource based economy,
and that this work is to do is try to make resource-based economy out the way safe from self destruction.
It's just what we give to world, isn't it? in time.
As Jacque says, if you do nothing, nothing will happen.
So, if you want to live in a resource-based economy,
it's really down to us make it happen,
and to get everyone, that we can, on board with these ideas,
educating under these ideas, and spread these ideas around the world.
Then you go and see what is happening. That is what we want to see how it go.
In essence, most of us, even here, are in condiction to sid down and wait for another way to do something,
and that is what we will torture, we all have to step to, we all have to find our initiative and do something,
otherwise, as Jacque says, nothing will happen.
Get to take yourself out of the comfort zone,
because you were conditioned to wait for something else to do something for you, you can't.
Exactly. Now, a report from Jacque, maybe from someone else that he got it from,
not itself is self activating, and everything that is upon the resident process
and in the same way that we are acted upon by all that environment and everything that can be learnt from yourself on environment for others,
and so, we can shape directly if once we got these small hatch from the stick we put from the system, you know,
which Jacque did for us, he stretched his nail of, this fingers nails of up to the show, i think,
why i find that what just i can't put it off, so we are those ones who can do the rest of the work and move it forward.
And nothing itself is self activated, so we have to put work into it.
That all before he said, if we don't do nothing, nothing will happen.
That is a great image there, scratching the nail, that is a really good image.
Someone developed that uniquely, upon at The Venus Project.
Yes, maybe.
Okay. Jacque, what do you think about this statement that we must become to change we want to see in the world?
Well, again, i can't speak to that, because that was supposed to, whatever i can, but, i think it is very true,
but in the same time, i don't think we should be too introspective in the way that some people
can do something on this individuality cames because it becomes into an ego thing,
but yes, we have to work on ourselves, this is why it changes the world.
Yes, exactly.
Yes, i agree. We need you both, you do too much in respective and no actions at all.
And yes, you do great, but the world as a whole as a whole is not a group.
Exactly. Addiction. Wouldn't be the rehabilitation clinic a good idea for the seminar TVP way of thinking,
the good response from people could make the system even more well known?
Does that mean go into rehabilitation clinic and get people there,
to turn around to The Venus Project way of thinking? is that what the question means?
No, the rehability in real drug addicts.
Ah, all right, and Jacque already did this. He did already help a lot of people on accomodations,
and they do, so what i understand they still keep in touch with them nowadays,
case of the incurrence, seeing what is going on, and then now, and tell on the people get on addicted and took from drugs.
So, yes, why not, but i don't know if it would be necessarily anymore plan to go with them in any of the other plans that we got,
but it could be pretty interesting, why not?
Specifically considering like, is this a good demographic to go after, like a low hanging through which people talk about
these people might to be more opened to these ideas specially if you take care on some of their addiction.
If that is yours focus on your internet, probably decent thing to do,
but generally i think there are probably more global effort to take before these energies.
I think those momentum to way are like, could be advertisement for The Venus Project if we have like,
facilities i think, maybe, also other ways of mention like this,
not only account with addicts menu, yes, other areas that we could reach into,
that just run good and we have good outputs of that, and speak confident with our work,
and so, this can be a good advertising for Venus Project. So, it's correct.
So, i think there are many ways that The Venus Project could, yes, could do things to show people some works,
this can be understood a kind of experiment that we could do on our behavioural sciences and scientific stuff,
but i think this is only an option if we have like a really only flow of resources and financing for that and stuff,
i think before this point, when we have enough people waiting in lane,
this sort of speak and the direction that it handles, that we want to work, we want to work, when everybody for Venus Project, but,
we don't have to think to give to them, i think then this can be an option, but before that,
we should focus every means of financing resources that we have to mean of we can have so,
they can be reached, and to that, i think these options could be drafted.
Maybe the big issue of TVP is to get may people educated in one version,
it's not too circular, the way we have educated people to get to learn the best as possible,
well, if we, no?
We need to have educated people to get to work in the best way possible,
i don't see any other direction that we are going in.
Yes, since we don't have access to the resources to literally build these cities and these resource based economy around the world, so people can touch it,
we need people able to think in the abstract, and to be able to think in the abstract acurately,
you do have to have a certain level of education, and the tools to build to do so, so yes, i takes in the education to do so.
I mean, with this question, imagine the opposite. Is it anyway possible to get through the resource based economy without education.
And the answer to that is obviously no.
Something else considered with that is to retrying to sell products essentially to the world,
that products would be in resource based economy.
In order to one resource based economy after, first of all,
understand what it is and how it will benefit you.
And that requires education. And it requires changing values, and existing culture values that most people share around the world,
of consumerism and capitalism, and social dominant systems are prevalently all around the world.
You will try to sell something to a different value system, and they want buy,
this is why there are so much trouble getting in front to people,
because you are dealing with different set of values, and which ones they are educated below these values more rewarding values that would benefit them.
That takes time, you know?
It took time for every single one around here,
and get the way we are now, without understanding The Venus Project,
and the various fields that are interrelated with that,
from behaviourism for example, the technological side of things, the social side of things, political side of things, etc., etc.,
The whole everything is a long process, you allways know, from your own education in this area.
So, yes, until we can get through to enough people,
and sell these ideas through them, in a way that they can understand them and benefit them,
that is, will really need to put people in emphasys.
Next question, how can someone work directly on The Venus Project complex?
At this time, we don't have the resources to take anybody else,
the place became from people, and you know that has buildings and the resources to givie it for people,
and they have no people right now.
So, at this point, there is no way to do so, to work directly with The Venus Project Complex,
Roxanne would point us into the board, which is basicly every saturday, and you can e-mail and said all that up,
and she also point into website getting in about the project team, core design, support area, and so.
All of this online stuff is where you should point into.
What if they discuss it anyway, it is just like, you know, and thevenusproject.com on this question
or we asking in another time as we are here.
Jacque, what chemicals will be used for washing toes, washing hair and etc.?
I have no idea.
Anybody else there?
I think i didn't see normal there regular so. He doesn't do anything extreme as far as he is living,
as far as eating and washing, it's more as normal stuff, normal so, it looks normal for me.
And i would buy. Apple pie?
There are some examples on apple pie.
All right.
Next question. Is there enough time to improve ECO EOC consulting in the comference,
so can we ask any of credited organizations in these links,
to send Jacque as representative to all the speech of all 20?
So, will be something that Jacque answer that.
Yes, as far as time we heard this last week,
and Jacque or someone else would see an e-mail directly about this,
because speaks whatever about this and anything.
Okay.
Next question. What do you mean about turning around?
Well, Jacque means by turning around, is when he helps somebody to see things from different angle, basicly changing the values,
how can see way thinking is the way that is not helpful and to the world,
and turning their thoughts around, to becoming a more relevant way of thinking with different values.
Yes, it's all i guess from changing somebody from there dogmatic types of things like ***,
from thinking that anybody other than any race is added,
and Jacque was there able to turn them around in essence,
and making they think more boarder spectrum, and that is a positive thing.
Whenever a thing is provided for you in TVP, what would be the points to get in the education?
Well, there will be a need for education obviously,
we can't carry on looking after the world if we don't understanding how it works,
we can carry them along each other if we are not educated, so, we definitely need education.
I think it is provided in the sense of goods and services,
but we still need to give to societies through our knowledge,
so we have no knowledge we can't have a society.
So basicly, we need an education to carry on helping the society.
It's the question in it's that incentive, and there is many, many, many videos on this, many studies on this,
and most of them prove then the set is not based on get any gain, or gain many things.
I will provide couple of links will help you to work out, almost fully work out answering this.
But i give you an example, in a place like even in America,
when eve daily, you know, you have to do this, so, brainwash and all kind of things in these media,
people still have incentive to volunteer like there are 27% of population is about to volunteer their time,
so, and that is, what kind of incentive is that, so, educating yourself for mastery,
being one of the absolute, i think that is though,
and send o fire these people is mastering their profession, so.
I think there is so many things that people can go through.
Okay, what about the muslims? Yes, there will be free muslims as well. Muslims can be as apple pie.
Any question for the recipe again? Because i think it answers the question to most people.
Yes, okay, those drugs i believe will erradicate addiction,
i don't know what they are legalizing drugs weel, do anything other than take away the monetary incentive,
well, and erradicate addiction is education, which is, you know, the wonderful recording incentive of questioning out this question.
What is the addiction of its scarcity, the monetary system,
but legalizing, i don't know, i really don't see what they can go through.
Yes, i'm going to jump on that. The thing is, if you legalize, it depends on the countries, of course,
but the countries which is legalize drugs moisture right now,
they are doing it a lot better in terms of addiction of their,
percentage of their drug addiction in the, over the population,
you can check the middle line, and you will find enough information about it on the web,
and you always see if you criminalize something like it was bootlegs in the 30's, in America,
if you try to express that, you just go underground, and do the own thing,
but as far as i could understand, and directly if i'm wrong,
in The Venus Project, Jacque explained that, in a sane society,
you will not not use drugs,
we are not going to have any means to use it when you use drugs, or when you try to get away from the reality,
and The Venus Project propose the reality a lot better than we have right now, which give us a lot more opportunities,
and lot more ways to participate in the reality,
and advance ourselves, so it will not be a for ourselves for that matter.
I think there are also differences in the timeline that we can view in this direction, and many directions that we can about,
it's a big difference when we can talk about the transition phase of th RBE, or if we talk about like more advanced RBE,
maybe go already to a free generations that we global RBE,
considerable advance in way the people view the recreation used to whatever they want to do on it,
and yes, just keep that in mind also,
that differences between first stage of RBE compared to very advanced state model in the future.
So, for an example, what i mean about this, right now, there might still be people want to use certain things
as just as recreation aspect of their lives,
so the, yes, just keep it away from that might not be the understand state,
if people want to see something, they will find the way to use it,
so, education is the best way, more to the future people not even think about creating these substances that used to for it,
but as they still exist, and most people are not that much educated,
they might stand around, because people actually want it,
and they should be educated about this use that is not helpful
and how they can have increased that helpful issue.
Next question, i think have a very large and wide to do it,
which can take for long time to go anyway,
how can you explain TVP is to ignorant people.
First of all, ignorant people are people that not received certain information,
and are condictioned, they are ignorant because they have not get knowledge, then it lacks education.
If you consider ignorance as being, for example, rude or impolite,
then that it's a result of consequence of their education and their environment,
i think each case has to be treated as it is, and try to get on some topic which they resignates with them,
which is the fact that they don't like the food of the supermarket, and there is the fact they got no money,
and trying to explain without necessarily starting conversation about TVP,
but simply slowly, slowly, that which seems to realize what is wrong with them, what is wrong with the world,
and then putting out solutions.
But you have to do a break after enough each person comes after to you.
Okay, what if we are not, like,
most of the experts in these areas, you know,
and that is afected where most people would be realized that material that The Venus Project makes.
For example, the latest one, just see the movie Paradise or Oblivion.
And if unfortunately is not translated yet to your language then,
assist a team and translate it to your language, you can then present to those people.
And that is why i estimate that most of us here, specially even across the world,
we are not strong on addressing people yet, but we could work on it,
but until that point, use TVP material until it can make sense.
Thanks to the plant of the linguistic team there, Joel.
Okay, moving on. What do you think about the elections and greed in France?
Well, what do you think about any election? This will not make any difference, it's the same.
Right, or left, central, or whatever, they all called behind the back banks and corporations,
so it doesn't matter who gets in, people are not going any happier.
The only think i can see positive about it just about help people to lose more and more things inefficient,
and realize that they have proper solutions.
All right, in the short term, it might be slighter less people perception,
but in the long term, they will repeat exactly the same mistakes, whether ten years, fifty years, or hundred years, it will still repeat.
If they are still using the same biased system, things like capitalism ownership, the opposite of the resource-based economy, and same things still occur.
And that is another thing we are about to do is, put other options in the peoples mind,
and as system collapses, and what if they do, a person needs to have the opportunity,
just the opportunity to make that choice.
Right now, people in general do not have the opportunity, they only have one choice to make.
It that is the return of the same thing capitalism.
If we do nothing more than just giving them another choice,
so they have two things to choose from, i think we done a very good of.
Last question on the last. Jacque, so let me bring this up,
this is someone from the group of people that have access to you creative ideas along with us, computer files, blueprints and so on.
I understand you need to keep some ideas private.
Yes, Roxanne has access to everything that Jacque worked on his life,
so he continues to work on the project once he is gone.
When i was five, i stated to learn a chinese game called Go game.
What it does? It allows me to foresee ten steps in ten different directions.
Back and forth, connecting dots, reorganization of patterns in game, in life, in people organization.
I have seen videos from Jacque talking about problem solver.
I'm still observing what The Venus Project is, and i would like to know beside out in, what can people do or don't do.
What is getting away from the new system to take over the old system?
Okay, i think this post is very, very new, to The Venus Project,
and the thing that could be done would be look at the website,
and stare on that, because there is a tremendous ammount of information on the web,
so, once it's relevant, look at the activism teams as well,
and then you can perhaps see, when you consider on be helpful on the teams, i hope that can have sense too.
Another question here, is once i have a question,
would be an advice to build a miniature TVP,
if i have the resources ready, maybe a village size, like schools, hospitals and etc.,
TVP doesn't want to, The Venus Project doesn't want to build,
not a miniature TVP, they want to build the whole city.
An experimental research city, where they can show all the wonderful things we can have with technology existent for the world,
they can invite people from all of the world, just ordinary people, that live in different countries and so on,
so they can come along and see what is exactly what we can have technology the future could be.
So, wouldn't be a village size, would be a city.
It will be a sort of university city where people would be learning as well,
and they will be designing the next city based on what they discovered on the first one,
and they can be improved so on and so forth.
Always doing the best that they can, and say the technology available at the time.
Yes, if you that system resources, and things on that sort,
that definitely in contact e-mail at thevenusproject.com ,
and get an e-mail contact, or we ask that question next week.
This out to there is a critical thing that everybody needs to understand,
and there is no such thing, this is a low tech resource based economy,
this is not really based on what resource based economy is.
It could not do the resource based economy as designed by Jacque Fresco over the last fifty years.
In a low tech solution you could not have what is eco village construction set,
that is not the resource based economy, order to do a resource based economy in a smooth scale
on such as, for example, a village size it said, or whatever it was, it's got in the magnet,
we are talking about hi tech automation, so be out to provide for the nature of people,
much more rated for the what we are able to do, probably,
so, the resources to do such as,
such as small city or community, would be higher than that so low tech.
When you're teaching these resource based economy,
the resource based economy, by definition,
is global, is take with that and then you are good to go.
But also taking in consideration, we don't have access to the world resources,
so we do have to focus on what can we attain to as far as resources goes as this point,
and then we make a decision based upon that.
But, when you're teaching generally, just remember resource based economy by definition is global.
I think we answered all the questions, except those we have to leave to Jacque.
Which was so many there.
Yes, apparently they are not coming up, please come back next week, we ask them, and the same thing over again.
Yes, thanks everybody for being here, i'm waiting to see you forward next week, on May 13 2012. Bye to everybody in house.