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[Josh] Levels. Hi TV. I'm here in the Mojave Desert
this week we're gonna be talking about one of our favorite subjects,
The Second Amendment
and your Second Amendment Rights.
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Uh, That was a good take but we could go one more, right?
I don't wanna ramble ramble. I'll ramble toward the end were like,
(rambling) ... "Oh yeah, let's be friends and shoot guns" PEW !
[Cody] We came from a place of just like total disillusionment with
traditional power politics but a lot of people In our generation are there,
and were like "What kind of political project can we do knowing that we don't
actually wanna go through
the voice process. We don't contributor to traditional politics."
How can we still kind of have a game-changing project and one of the
ideas you have that same phone calls was, like what would it be like if
you could
digitally manufacturer a gun and distributor the files online wouldn't
wouldn't that kinda
pose an overwhelming challenge to the global order
ah, specifically the global gun control order kinda like how WikiLeaks had kinda
busted the patriot games.
[Josh] Have you received any death threats? [Cody] Oh yeah man but it's weird I got like the vast
majority of those death threats
uh, in 2012 before I had really even got anything printed.
What's so bizarre about this moment
,this 3D printed gun moment, was that while it was still
like a pure, raw, hypothetical, that's when like
the screech the liberal was the loudest. While they could still prevent the event
from happening,
they were threatening my life, and as I began to make progress and the pistol became
something I'd like to have an inevitability or a eventuality
uh those kinds of protests stopped. [Josh] Yeah I just
I just think it's funny how killing is bad except if it's for whatever they believe
in. [Cody] I mean it's one of the oldest stories in the book like
none of it has to make sense to them. It's just anything to preserve their sense of
control of history
the the direction of material and ethical progress like it's
it's very much like a religion and as long as you think of it that way and think of them that way
you're gonna be better off. [Josh] Yeah I'm interviewing
a anti-gun groups tomorrow and I'm just... [Cody] I hope you ask for something about
because some people have thrown the 3D printed question in some of these
like anti-gun town halls like a grenade,
I want you to ask them what they would do now in that situation knowing that you know
giving the hypothetical that within a year two years anyone can print
all the major components of a handgun off. What do you do ?
[Josh] Whats your idea success with what you're trying to do. [Margot] Well let me tell you a little bit
about us first and then I could tell you what we consider
success. We are not anti-gun
so I think that's important for everyone to know
but we are all about gun
safety and
reasonable gun legislation and what we consider
a success is a reduction in gun violence.
[Josh] Have you heard about like the whole 3D printing phenomenon?
and Cody Wilson? [Margot] Yeah [Josh] I think it's hard to stop the progression of Technology
through legislation. [Margot] Yeah I mean we're always a step behind.
I always joke about how
you know and joke meaning like "HaHa"
not "haha funny",about how no matter what
laws we try to put in place, the radicalized
gun owners and organizations, and I do you refer to them as radicalized because
so every time there's some legislation passed
that's perfectly reasonable and that
you know ninety percent of gun owners even agree where
they're going to be groups that try to circumvent the law
[Josh] Since government's are made up of people who have the capacity of being
just as evil and corrupt as a normal citizen how can we trust them
as only one would have access to guns?
[Margot] Well we're not trusting them to be the only people with access to guns
because we're not opposed to gun ownership. We don't view
police officers at evil I think what concerns me most about your question
is...it has
a point of view which everybody is allowed to have but is
contrary to one of the ways our country works as a society
[Josh] Well you mentioned, um, you know people who are
radicals. Do you see a connection between those types of people and would you say
people who just don't trust the government. [Margot] That's such
a political question and...really... [Josh] Was it? Was it?
[Margot] yeah it was and I... [Josh] Sorry. [Margot] No no that's okay and,
you know we try to not be political but
There is a distinct movement among
some to undermine
the government by...
fostering this belief that it's
untrustworthy et cetera. It's
a minority, a very small minority,
uhm, but it does foster
radicalized gun ownership. [Cody] I've said it before and I'll say it again, gun control is
an effective
fantasy. Its story that a group of people,
a marginal marginal groups of people in American political discourse,
tell ourselves and try to tell other people. And its
it's less achievable now than it has ever been.
But yeah there's a real antipathy at the higher levels of power for the idea that
you could own the means
actual effective military resistance
to anything they might try to do and I mean if a scares them so deeply. I mean
it plagues their bureaucratic regulatory imagination, like that at every available
opportunity
there's a program on a shelf to try to
just cut away at the corners of your ownership of
assault weapons and military power weapons. And then of course they've
ensconced themselves in a ring of these same weapons,
that the police have, that their private security has, that their
paramilitary you know corporate partners have. I mean
they are behind a wall of these guns. Uhm, and so obviously there's a real tension between
us having them and them having them. [Margot] In the scheme of our
overall country's population it's a very small movement.
Uhm, if people look at it they could really see that the proponents
of that distress are really doing it in their own self-interest
and maybe people haven't figured that out yet. Is it empowering
you to
solve a problem peacefully or is it empower you
to end the problem without discussion? [Cody] The balance of military hardware is of course in
the government's favor but
uh, this might sound perverse perverse but, the experience in Afghanistan & Iraq should give you some
cause for optimism because the way the situational transfer works
toward asymmetry and asymmetrical warfare has proved quite successful
for some of these insurgents, you know, ideological factions over the middle east
The greatest military on Earth has been over there for 10 years just pounding away
and it's going to leave effectively, uh,
with with not much gained, right? It's going to leave and those people will still be
in power so
I think, that like, even though I think it's unlikely that they'll be armed civilian
resistance scenario in the United States any time soon
it's not going to take a lot of people, and its not going to take much more hardware
then we've got now to effectively keep the government in check.
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