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I'M TALKING TO DAVID CARR AND
DAVID SIMON OF "THE WIRE."
WE HAVE PRISM THAT VACUUMS UP
APPARENTLY ALL DATA AND ALLOWS
ACCESS TO ONLINE ACTIVITY,
BASICALLY YOUR CALL, HOOVERS UP
YOUR CALL RECORDS, PRESUMABLY AS
WELL AS HITTING KEYWORDS.
DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS?
>> WELL, WHENEVER I FEEL
SOMEBODY'S HANDS UP MY SKIRT I'M
ALWAYS SORT OF INTERESTED IN
WHAT EXACTLY THEY ARE TRYING TO
FIND UP THERE.
PEOPLE SAY WELL, IF YOU HAVE
NOTHING TO HIDE, WHY WOULD IT
BOTHER YOU?
IT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD TO HAVE
PEOPLE'S HANDS UP YOUR SKIRT
UNLESS YOU INVITE THEM, AND I DO
THINK YOUR GOVERNMENT -- IF YOU
TAKE THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
THAT CAME IN WITH THE PROMISE OF
BEING THE MOST TRANSPARENT
ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY,
PROSECUTED SIX, NOW SEVEN TIMES
ON THE ACT, THEY ARE FOND OF
BEING SECRETIVE ABOUT THEIR
SECRETS, AND I REALLY THINK IT'S
TIME -- I'M SAD THE HOUSE ALMOST
GOT THERE BUT NOT QUITE, TO
SHINE SOME LIGHT IN THERE AND
JUST LET US AT LEAST KNOW WHAT
YOU'RE UP TO.
YOU SAY ALL YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS
META DATA.
WHAT DOES META DATA MEAN TO YOU?
>> HOW MUCH DOES IT MEAN TO YOU,
DAVID SIMON?
YOU EXPRESSED SOME LESS OUTRAGE
OR LESS --
>> I THINK I'M BEING PRECISE
ABOUT WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT
AND NOT.
YOU JUST CONFLADED PRISM WITH
PHONE META DATA AND THEY ARE
DIFFERENT PROGRAMS SUBJECT TO
DIFFERENT LAWS AND ULTIMATELY,
PHONE META DATA WAS NOT PART OF
PRISM.
PRISM WAS PART OF THE INTERNET
AND CAPTURING THAT TARGETED
OVERSEAS ALLEGEDLY.
YOU KNOW, THEY AREN'T LOOKING --
THEY AREN'T AUTHORIZED TO LOOK.
WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING, IF
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A MOMENT IT'S
BEING MISUSED, THAT'S ANOTHER
BALL OF WAX BUT RIGHT NOW WHEN
YOU TALK ABOUT PHONE META DATA,
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO ME
EFFECTIVELY IS ALL OF A SUDDEN
AFTER 30, 40 YEARS OF THIS STUFF
BEING LEGAL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT,
WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR
NOT, SUDDENLY, IT IS -- WE'RE
GOING TO APPLY A DIFFERENT
STANDARD OF THE FOURTH
AMENDMENT.
I CAN'T GET MY BACK UP ABOUT
THAT.
YOU CAN'T SHOW ME A SINGLE