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Hello everybody. You can contact me at Twitter at JF. Today I am going to talk about the
history of hack tons and what a hack ton is. And that way when (Inaudible) why people attend
them and what they're expecting at a hackathon. So the agenda is what you can see here on
the screen. What is a hacker? Talk about what a hackathon is and the history that lead up
to the hackathon and then the culture and then the motivations for the people that attend
and then the basics for running the hackathon and should you run it and then the tips on
what you would want to think about running a hackathon. This is really sort of a lead
into the ones for Ethan and Ali that will be able to give more advice on how to run
a hackathon as part of a Government agency. So what is a hacker? This is something that
I believe is a great starting place. The main reason that I want to cover this is because
the nature of this word has been changing over time. I am sure that you remember a hacker
was somebody that you wanted to avoid and somebody that took information and, you know,
did what was not a person that you wanted to associate with and that's changed recently.
I think in large part because of a website called hackers news. It's ran by Paul Graham,
and this word has always been a little bit am biggous and it's -- there's a will the
of different definitions of it. The -- of all the definitions of what a hacker is my
favorite is the one that I put up here on the scene. Somebody that enjoys playful cleaverness
or the combination of the two. I think that's why it's had some part and the reason that
I bring this up is because I see people that run a hackathon and don't want to call it
that. Really I think that it's best to embrace that word and keep it there. You're not going
to have people that are going to compromise and show up at the events. Maybe one or two
will come every ten to five events but everyone then because of the culture and the nature
of the event the people that come are going to be focuses on the programming. Now to talk
about what is a hackathon. This picture that you see up here on the screen if you don't
see it it's just a bunch of people all faces blowing and the light from the laptops and
all sitting around a table.This is as I am designing them what I want to create. Hackathons
do come in all sorts and shapes and sizes. As they get larger they can not have a living
room table with people around it, but I think that's the right environment to work towards.
And so as you see on the screen it's a bunch of people getting together and sharing their
love of program and learning and their ideas with each other and people can do this at
home but it's much better to be in a room with people that are excited about their ideas
and changing the world as these people are around me. I am going to sort of be talking
about what the motivations are. Before we get into more O of why people run these, I
think that a great history to understand is sort of how we ended up at hackathons. It
might seem like a great idea but if you go back a couple of decades you will see that
the it's not something that's not new but (Inaudible) the general scene of people that
would go to the parties is called demo scenes and in the 80s before we had these nice portable
laptops that we had, we had the big monitors that was 50 pounds and then to a giant tower
that was big and bulky and people that wanted to get together would have to strap the monitor
into the car seat and they would all go to get together at these events and in the early
days the people would make the demos, so the challenge that people would try to over come
was you how to get a really neat looking working on the computers that were not anywhere as
powerful as the ones that we have today and then even then a lot of people would give
themselves a bigger challenge of trying to make these really neat demos with a little
code as possible and so what you found was that you had a bunch of people getting together
that you really would be gathering ashed like this shared goal of making this neat demo
and showing it off to all of their friends and then from there I think that they sort
of shifting as the computers were powerful and able do a lot more you would see people
gathering together and not just showing off their programming skills but to play games
with each and so this is where I got my start in the 90s by playing video games. So it looks
like very much like this was a bunch of youth waisting their time but it was a lot of ways
that the communities started to get built because people lugged them together and learned
how to network them so that they could play the games and then when somebody's computer
would have a difficulty then people would gather together and over come that and that
people could play those together and as this community started to get older the game started
to be less fun and turned out that this was the history that I did and all of my friends
got together and played the video games. He still liked it with computer but into programming
now so let's make a party and instead of playing the games we're writing the software. That
was how I get involved in the hackathons. So knowing of this history really helped me
understand that what I am doing is not new but it was nice and I could look back and
see how people did it in the past and did I together and that helped to form a lot of
the hackathons that I helped to build. Another thing that really informs on how I designed
them and what I think of them organizing them and even attending is this cultural context
that a lot of programmers most programmers are part of whether they know it or not and
it's really best described in this book called hackers by Steven and this is several decades
old and it was surprising how relevant it was especially in this, you know, in the terms
of the hackathons what really was true was this I post that a lot of hackers have. I
have this up on the scene and these are sharing openness, free access to computers and world
movement. What instructed me was how hackathons are the physical manifestation of these things
and especially in the contest of this webinar the ones that I think that really stand out
are sharing, openness and world improvement. I think that any of us that are involved in
the Government can get behind those especially with a lot of these open initiatives that
we're having but world improvement is something that I think rings true for all of us and
it was really neat seeing how this was something that was this author saw that still exists
today. So we wanted to briefly touch on what these are and how they are involved in the
hackathons. I think a common thing they think about when I think of why hackers do what
they do is really all of us -- everybody that identifies as a hacker -- we're not really
competing against each other but the computers that are really these sort of honorary devices
that are getting in the way of these things that we want to do. We have to collectively
struggle against them and getting our way and not doing what we want to do and anybody
that using a computer understand that and who has not had a frustrating day with their
computer, so a big part of that is to help over come these issues that these computers
give us and an important part is sharing. Since we're competing with the computer, it's
important to share our knowledge, code, share our best practices and hand in hand with sharing
is this next depot and that's openness, so sharing is a lot easier when you're open to
everything that you do. I think a real big success story of these software movement because
we have software like Lynn Nix, fire fox and all of these different programs there are
the result of this culture of sharing and openness and it's really helped to improve
the roles in general. Then the next thing here is decentralization. This comes from
a view of any type of knowledge puts that information at risk and this effect that people
had helped to inform the design of the Internet and that's not a centralized system. A lot
of people that are hackers were into the phone system and saw what would happen when you
had a centralized system so when the design came out, a lot of people understood this
and they decentralized and had things designed in a way that's not focused on a single source
where all the information or control reside. As far as hack athons go you will see that
and there's no single organization that will run ahackathon. Everybody will run their on
and there's no central coordination and that's the thing reflected and the things that people
run. Now the free access to computers sounds maybe a little bit hippy of a thing but I
think what you will see here a lot is that a lot O f people that use the computers have
their lives improved by the use of computers and the frustration for me is when I was younging
it was hard to get the access and when I did it changed my life for the better so getting
people the access is something that I believe in. The most resent in this is the computers
called a raspberry pie. The pie is if you have not heard of it it's a 25-dollar computer
and there's a 25-dollar and then the $30 computer. It's a full blown computer and it was designed
in England with helping school kids get access to computers. So rather than giving somebody
a used computer if it works or not, you have a full blown computer about the size of a
pack of cards and you plug in a TV or mouse and you can play games and write software.
It's a great device. I bout three of them and they're so much fun for projects and my
daughter is using them too. If people show up and it's nice to have them jump on and
have the computer and check it out. And then you will see a lot that were done around this theme
and I think that my favorite is the space app challenge and that's the random act of
kindness and it's using your (Inaudible) to make the world a better place. So again a
lot of what is so exciting is that to me these ethics have been for decades ins this culture
and as you're Billing it and thinking about them, these are great things to keep in mind
because this is why people get together and this is what bridges them rather -- so why
do people run and attend hackathon? Well if I was to name three things it will be number
one to meet others and be part of a community that talks openness and the sharing that I
was talking about earlier. Before program it's where we're not against each other but
a computer. One of the favorite things on what is programming and I tell people that
sitting in front of the computer and being wrong all day. A lot of times I can lean over
and ask somebody and instead of me taking four hours to solve it'd the person next to
me can say go to this website and it's this, and I am done. The next two kind of go hand
and hand but it's -- you will find that a lot of people that are involved with computers
use them for their day in and day out job. A lot of times we will want to try something
new but we really cannot convince the boss at work that using some technology is going
to be appropriate for the time at work but a hackathon is appropriate for that and then
they can help you not only learn but help you get through all of these road bumps and
so now you can go back to work with a much more affective strategy and tell your boss
that you used this over the weekend and would it not be great if I did this at work and
that's more convincing and I think that this is something cool being able to say I know
that this is better and more convincing and just a great place to learn new things and
share ideas with others. So wrapping up here we're talking about coming from if any of
this stuff sounded or if you're not in your head and you're like yes this sounds like
not guilty that I want to do. If you want to build a community of people around a culture
of openness and sharing and improving the world, then by all means you should run a
hackathon. I feel like there's a lot of places within the Government that these values are
important to what people do and for building a community with that involves hackers and
thinkers and people that are really excited about technology, hackathons are a way to
start building that kind of community. So as I said before Ethan and Ali will give a
much better concrete tips, so I just wanted to give the very like a very high level goals
or kind of ideas on how do a hackathon. Of all the different resources that you will
see if I was to only pick one and there are so many good ones but if one that I really
like is this one called the hack day manifest toe. It's just chalked full of all the act
Times that you would need and the how to of all the details of running the hackathon.
If I had known about this, I would have been running this and this is from all the lessons
of running all hackathons and I have ran close to 100 and there was nothing that I could
add to this event. I was nodding my head saying that this is great. So a great place to start
but as I said Ethan and Ali will have much more specific and better advice, and then
lastly for any hackathon I think that there's three must haves and the top prity and most
important thing that you can have at a hackathon is amazing Internet access. You're going to
have people in the room and they need to have great Internet access. It's easy to forget
this as you're thinking of all the different things but without great Internet access,
a hackathon is nowhere great as it could be and finally the other things to remember is
places for people to sit and work and then, you know, when you're thinking of meals and
drinks you want to make sure that you're getting good food that will help keep people active
and awake and then making sure that you have plenty of water and caffeine as well. If you
have any questions, I am happy to answer or anything about hacking culture or running
a hackathon or advise or tips, feel free to e-mail me. You can find me on Twitter and
all of my contact information is here, so with that thanks everybody for listening and
I look forward to hearing what Ali and Ethan have.
>> All right. So I guess this is where I step in. This is Ethan McMahon. Can you all see
the slides and respond back to me for a second? >> I can see them.
>> Great. Great. So I am going the talk about a single instance of a hackathon that EPA
ran with American university with the environment challenge. We wanted to raise awareness of
all this great Data that EPA has and we wanted to engage internallally the oners so that
therm partners in the process of getting the Data out from this agency into the hands of
the people that can use the Data whether they be researchers or developers or whatever.
And we asked people to make apps that use EPA's public Data and without any prize money
and without a steeler cast of judges we still got 38 submissions and six of those were from
students and we had a great form at the end to celebrate their successes and to ask where
to go from here and this was just a wonderful experience. A couple of things to note was
a challenge and we also reached out to the public and we had -- we asked the public what
kind of ideas would you like to have people make into app? We kind of have the -- we asked
for people that talked about the demand side and market side for the environmental apps
and just to go with one of the themes the reel ethic was the world improvement ethic.
They wanted to work on apps because could help to make the world a better place. So
if we go to the next slide we were lucky and grateful to have American university as a
partner and Dave Johnson has done a lot of hacking on his on and familiar with the word
and written word code line and the university efforts to clean the campus and then had a
nice space for us to be in a nice green building. We held it on labor day weekend in 2011 and
had only nine developers that participate and I will get back to that later. It's a
little smaller turn out than expected. We used social medias before and as a result
we got five apps still kick start from that number of developers and we really had the
staff available and one last thing is not all on the floor these people were developers
and some them are designers or user experts and I guess with our subject matter it kind
of rounded out what you see with this. You don't want one kind but diversity so that
you have people approaching problems
and a little bit before and during the event and then the next slide -- slide five you
can see how you see this stream video on the right and you can see someone drinking coffee
and that's appropriate at these hackathons and on the left we had IRC and real time chat
where people were saying I am looking for this kind of Data and then the great thing
is having all the subject matter is that someone is saying I am looking for this and within
minutes there's someone that says here is the Data and then if there's something that
I don't understand on to what the Data means, there's someone on hand to say this is what
it means. That really speed up the process for developing. A lot of timings if you a
developer but you're working in a subject where you're not an E pert and no one is an
expert in everything it's great to have it on hand where you can ask these questions
and get feedback. Then if we move to slide six, we have the Data and developer form at
EPA and after the event we posted some pictures and talked about what we did and what was
done there. So next slide. Slide seven the success factors is a lot of planning as Joel
eluded to and beforehand it's good to show that you have the social media channels all
ready because you're going to have to deploy them during the event and so on. And finally
you have to provide the Data and ideas before the event as well. The ideas are important
because we hay section that said these ideas are already implemented so if you want to
work on it, you can see what others have done and not reinvent the wheel. During the event
it's important to have the experts there. The food and drink is important and you have
to keep on engaging to keep the process moving and make sure that people don't stuck and
keep making process. Some lessons learned on the next slide slide E is don't hold an
aevent when people are not available. It turned out the calendar was free on labor day weekend
for that building for a reason and that's because a lot of students were back where
their first weekend of the year, and it was the first weekend of college football, so
we had a lot of competition and next time we will pick a different kind of a date where
we can get more participants. You have to clarify who provides the space, food, experts
and make sure that the IT issues are all ironed out so that it goes smoothly during the event
and then you have to do all of these tools even if you set them up to reach a border
audience like the people that are not in attendance. You have to have the pieces fitting together.
It would have been nice to say that these are the five projects that someone is working
on and set up a stub in our discussion form and say post ideas about that and we will
-- we will get people working in real time all tot on any of these open active projects
and so one thing before I close here is that I want to mention that EPA is merging the
larger effort by engaging with the app user community and we have actually got a website
called my green apps apps. It has over 230 existing environmental apps and a place for
people to like them, so basically we're crowd sourcing people's preferences and you will
know these are the ones that convert into apps, so that's what we're doing as a follow.
And then finally on my last slide is for furtherer information and you can contact me here and
I will forward to speaking with you during the question and answer period. Thank you.
>> All right. Can everybody see my screen? Are we good?
>> That looks good Ali. Thank you. >> Okay. Great. Thanks. Hi everybody. (Inaudible)
he has done in EPA and our resent hackathon everybody was asking for the Data and he was
a champion of helping to get the Data to the people and we really appreciate working with
people like that. Like I said my name is Ali and I am the project manager for the space
apps challenge and I am going talk about what we accomplish and some specifics about community.
Community is really the thing that makes me excited about mass collaborations, and so
I want to share our perspectives about this. This was from the space apps events that happened
in Oklahoma just last month and I loved that they put up these small signs about what motivated
people. We found that this is why people come to mass collaborations because they want to
be the change and not the person that says I wish that the Government did this or that
but be the person that contributes toward making that possible. So it embraces (Inaudible)
I will make a note heresy loved what Joel was talking about what is a hacker. We told
the story differently and maybe many of you are familiar with pa poll low 13 and that
event in 1970 you will remember the scene in the movie where mission controllers come
into the room and bump a big box of items on the table and say that we need to make
this fit into this using what we have here on the table. Time is short. We have limited
resources and we have a specific problem to solve. So we cast the stories of hackathons
in that way. We do focus on software development but include hardware projects, individualsization
and things that we feel in that same NASA tradition and the problem solving to make
things for effective. We want to address big questions. We're pig ledged to have big questions
to answer. We want to tap people outside of the payroll, so my company here and many others
can testify that we have some amazing servants that are making a difference and we want to
tap those people outside of the Government that have skills, ideas and perspectives that
we lack. So hackathons give us a form to engage with those people and tap their resources
as NASA we have found that so many people grew up wanting to explore space and we have
that about to tap into the inner part of people. We're compelled as a approach because it gives
us a way to work together with other agency, cultures and partners that are nontraditional
to create the come peeling solutions. Last year we had 25 cities and 2,000 people and
we hope to do you believe that to 50 cities and 5,000 people. The record largest hackathon
was 6,000, and this year totally the event just seemed to take off. People were coming
from all parts of the world to say that we really want to be a part of this. We want
to show off the countries skill or communities skills. We think that these challenging matter,
so we're going to hold an event too. We ended up with 83 locations in 44 countries and on
line. You can see the map there. We're also proud to be on all seven continents and in
space. We went for 83 consecutive hours. We started in Friday and it went all the way
to around Hawaii. Most events were 36 to 40 hours on a local event level. We had had 58
challenges and you will kind of see several of them listed there. We began so as a note
of background last year we took public submissions challenges. This year we decided to focus
on challenges that extended the breath of NASA's mission. So we included every mission
and mayor office and. Every major mission and group contributed a group and challenge
and then obviously we worked with the partner agency like EPA and I event happened to be
on earth day and then the Legos challenge was by a university to put together and so
we collected with the other organizations that would bring thing toss the table that
we would not and enable them to work in that safe way. We had 474 partners. One of the
most important partners was the U.S. department of states. Technology is a big value of diploma
city, so many of the embassies came forward and wanting to host hackathons. I think that
most of you would find that their interest would support a lot of the kind of work that
you would do. In the end we had 9,147 new explorers that submitted 770 solutions. We
were excited because we scaled the number of solutions Biosyn and that told us that the process of training local leads
was becoming more affective and we were getting better work out of the events. So I am going
to the pause here and make a few notes on the topic that I was asked to focus on and
that was the focus of community. Community is the flat form for invasion and collaboration.
Communication grows first and foremost by working together to accomplish a goal. And
so hackathons are a great form for doing that to come together and share their ideas and
resources and encourage the locally invested people to bring their communities along as
the con transcribe ewe yachter.The agency provides strong local support and we invision
these leaders that create the event for the local community. That's been an affective
model for us because it empowers them to connect with each other around the challenges and
gives an experience across the natures and discipline. The most members of the community
then have an opportunity to later become a local lead in the subsequent year and then
we focus on developing those local leads where it becomes a regional management approach
and enabling the event to scale on the resources while retaining it's vision. I will say that
this year we had a group of local leads and we had 182 individuals serving in that capacity
and space app for example was ran by a set of senior university students and it was ran
by the local national weather office afill lit and then the team (Inaudible) led their
event and then there was one in Paris France that was ran by an unconnected group of volunteers
and an event in Rome that was a collaboration between the European space agency and the
local U.S. embassy. We did this year have the first enhouse event that we ran at the
Kennedy space center that was ran by a set of civil service to invite people and that
was a great stepping out. We did not do that. Kind of getting different types of leaders
gives you a diverse response back into the community. I think this is my most important
part that I would make. Technology enables the community to grow virtual around ideas
and shared opportunities rather than just physical proximity. It enables them to connect
and their Data and work together effectively and to communicate ideas effectively enough
that they can build from it. It's really the Internet that enables the collaboration to
happen and the tools that prevent that sharing idea. We were excited this year that more
than 1/3 of the projects that at least one team member at a different location. So we
encouraged because part of the missional value was really that interconnected commune can
I. It was exciting to see that happen. Right now we have managed that mostly on social
media and watching out for it and being responsive to stories about people's projects and encouraging
them to apply for internships and other opportunities and creating other space theme and all based
on that original communities commitment to collaboration. We have had a number of project
teams and teams that did not win who have continued to work on their projects and package
them up and sent them over to us and say give us feedback. For us it's not about the competition
but we really want to see this work help make exploration more effective, safer and more
to help meet to goals that we have for it. It's exciting for us to see that community
motivation. And the last note that I will make is mass notes will allow you and your
agency new access into pockets of invasion all over the world. Truly effective collaborations
don't produce just events but products and they do makers and explorers. That's part
of our standard of success in going forward. I will just close by showing a few of the
projects that concern excited about. This is the first weather app and the way of thinking
of this team is why did we not care about mar shop weather. If we can give them a weather
app that they would need and put mars information there, then we're bringing space to where
you are. That's the kind of thinking that we want to encourage. Not just to create something
but to find ways to inject technology in the ways that you are already and use. This is
not something that NASA has done a lot of so we have utilized hackathons for API development
and a number of hardware projects thawer excited about and there's an article and so we had
teams that took that Data and translated it and built these lite displays and they're
really beautiful. This is the back side of it and they built the light displays to help
people with that Data and make it meaningful to them. We had more traditional outreach
that told a beautiful story about the plan Tory exploration. This is one that's highly
prioritized right now and how can we visualize that in a way that will help to shape our
approach. So we're excited about and both about the technology we shall tail to develop
but this on going community of technologist, educators, artists and finding ways to tap
their expertise and help us better. So that's what I have to share. I am looking forward
to questions when we're done. >> All right. I will kick off with the questions.
I just got done reading a short hackathon so I will start with you Joel. What do you
think about Kevins assertion that it takes three to four months to plan a good hackathon?
And would you also talk about how to advertise and promote your hackathon? And sure. So I
have not read the article but the three go four months to plan it I really think in my
experience the most time that you give for the planning, I guess the quality of event
tends to correspond to the amount of time. I have not planned something two or three
months out. I can only imagine how neat they would be if I had that time. I usually try
to give myself a month to get everything together and the execution of them is simple but the
time that you need or what I have found is that the elite time tends to correlate with
the amount of people that show up, so if we give ourself a month to -- if we announce
it a month out we tend to get a lot of people so for the house we will have about 500 people
show up and this is because we have the list of about 1600 people that we notify and if
we announce a week out, we will get 50 to 100 people and so yeah, if based on somebody
elses experience three to four months is what you you need, I would agree with that and
then how to announce. Basically I will try and announce on as many channels as I can
the way that it started was that it started small and we basically made a mailing list
that people could call in and that just grew over time but as Ethan said you want to partner
with a local group. From what I have seen as I have traveled around the United States
is that there are different people in each location that understand their community better
than anybody else and tend to know that this is the mailing list that you want to advertise
on and this is the Facebook group that you need to let know about this. That's what I
will do and I am announcing these events and trying to get the local community leaders
that can invest in the events because in some places you just put something on Twitter and
other places you might need to have a local mailing list and then a blog and it's different
for each place. I know how to do the bay area and I know that stuff well but I cannot speak
for anything beyond that. >> Do you have any commenting on the aspect
like Kevin recommended if you're having it on a college campus, make sure that you put
up some fliers and things like that. >> Right. I think that's helpful to put it
fliers but you have to use any and all methods. You can not do enough. So for our -- you would reach out to the computer science
students or spaces that they work on or electron thetics and topically you're going want to
reach out to the people that address the topic that you're interested in, so we would reach
out the the environmental science folks as well and also because they're college students
and that's where they live. You have to find the department shares and have them be the
Dodd casters for you. I am sure that Ali can talk about this on a larger scale on how important
it is to have local heros. >> I totally agree with what Ethan is saying
and if you scale your vent like we had to, we made this one of the number one questions
that we use to take applications from local leads so from the very beginning when they
come to us and say that they're interested, we said what communities are you connected?
How old you invite people? Where are you going to find the kind of people that need to come
to your vent and we really used that as kind of a test to find who would be our most affective
leads. >> Okay. That's very helpful. Before we close
out we have a question from Lisa and another question that I will ask if they're not any
others but Lisa is more for the government folks and she is asking about tying it to
the agency objectives and the mission objectives and NASA and having a theme. So what advise
would you have for people on that as far as getting a focus for the hackathon.
>> Sure. Well, from the EPA perspective and from the single environmental hackathon. That
cover issues water issues, land issues and human health issues and all the things that
are centric and that provided some guidance. I guess restraints ask this is the topical
area at a high level that we're concerned about. Ask then we had the ideas that they
would like to have made into apps. Ideally you would have support from another party
to the water office at EPA would say we think this idea is a great one and it would support
the activity and mission and help the state and so on and we're really -- we want some
focus and energy to go in this direction and we will be there to help you as well. We did
not do that as much as well. I think some guidance is good and it's blue skies with
some limitations because you can not support development of everything. You can only support
development in areas that you have the expertise in. So one last thing is if you can get that
mission oriented poses of the kind of the direction of the hackathon, that's good because
that builds your base within your on organization, so that is good too.
>> Totally agree with what Ethan just said. We're lucky that we have a great mission that's
broad, so just like what he said and tied it back. We did the same and tied I back to
the space act and then it direct NASA from congress to use the Data and expertise to
affectively to make a better world and so while we're very limited in how we can do
that in the normal work of our agency with buckets and priorities and missions and operations,
hackathons are the one place that we can really hand that Data and get them to do that. This
year we really did try to tie the projects to the office and admission because we wanted
to stay on focus but we wanted to do that to get their buy in. We wanted to demonstrate
why this model was going to help them and that we're not over here on the side doing
the education and I love education outreach but it's not what a hackathon is that we're
really providing you technology and project development that's a direct contribution.
So keeping it on track is important for that. I think that's what I would add.
>> Okay. Ethan you have inspired me and the head of GSA has 6 priorities so I am thinking
how we can have an event or hackathon around those. For the last question I was going to
go back to Joel because this was your panel but talk to us about after the hackathon and
you don't just go that's over. That took a lot of work. What do you have to do to do
after the hackathon to get it going and keep in touch with everybody?
>> Well -- I guess the thing that you have to do is wow there's a lot of stuff that you
have to do and it's around building a community and so I think that it's keeping in touch
with people. What I do when I am down with an event is see the pictures and tweets and
blog posts that might have come out of the event and then I think really for me the most
important part for me running an event oar get the mention a lot is doing a most more
Tom afterwards.Using that is what has enables us to keep us from doing what we have. And
then there's a will the of stuff that I do to kind of keep them in touch with the local
community so maybe not directly about the hackathon but trying to keep my finger on
the pulse of what's interesting to the community and keep that in mind as the future events
because the whole reason why I run these is to sort of give back to the community so trying
to build events around or keep in mind what people are finding so that manifests itself
for me and then the talks that we will have I will try to invite people to come and talk
about something that people have found interesting. I guess that's the advice that I would give
there. >> Okay. Soy think that I encourage everybody
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