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the haze Brown is on the line with a Caesar a
blogger and writer over the Center for American Progress is Think Progress dot
word blog
a specializes in national security issues he's walking the program
basic checking back great to have you with us
um is there a media double-standard on race is on you but you
you were writing about I believe you're writing about huckabee is
rant about Muslims as uncorked animals
and you know in fact Martin I said I was in fact
you were in fact okay and yeah you can't draw an absolute
parallel between people being Muslim in being people of color although I think
probably the vast majority of them are
are do you think that that is Moon Bay know Mike Huckabee is a
used to be a preacher a Christian preacher arm
where do we where do we draw these lines in
her where you think huckabee isn't morning is really going on here
I think that a large part a problem is back
America for the most part don't know how to drive religion even religious people
like huckabee they don't know how to disgusted
is good thing when someone says that
are for example I the
perpetrators been gotti's say were likely much love me
that is true and that they were Muslim extremist
it also true and that is a factor to consider we analyzed the situation
attitude things like huckabee does and didn't say
bad all Muslims when they leave I had Muslims when they leave their Friday
prayer come out by quote uncork animals
that is shows that you don't know how to discuss these things
in a cogent manner and that hurts all of us paul also
you shows he's never been to a college football game on
I mean you know white people leave things in
like in court animals I was if you want to use that metaphor that's pretty ugly
metaphor but
on and and in fact in this contexts
there is a subtext to that metaphor that resonates for the
for the %uh the white supremacists among us for the
for the people who hang out in the the
hard right my sitch boards in
you know I i've been talking on here for a couple days but i wanna moist
articles got picked up by one of these web sites and and the way I knew it was
ya in the middle a day on Sunday all of a sudden I get like five or six emails
calling me an N word lover which is their way
above sane somebody who supports our president and
%uh you know couple a death rats and you know I just all that's kinda total
ad hominem et cetera et cetera and Western fair what the heck happened in
Lewis's of bet your
on you know and she went after the website sure enough they picked up by
Article
and arm so
anyhow you want your you want a refund that about yes sure so I mean
it does help cue give a lesser ban quality to people who are different than
you
when you it's hard to look at some where the person and he
them but if they're not a person then it makes it much
easier to do so and that's the sort of thing that comes about when you use
language
like concorde animals for example it it just makes it
easier I mean any red doesn't
the and immediately and that helps that
helps you not really connect with the idea that someone is on the other end
and so that's a problem as well that you see I
when it comes to people of units were featured really or ends in other words
before
yea a person can a non sociopathic person
can easily from Haiti people
in a in a a.m. in a it people who they don't know
they have to first object if item at the current turn them into something other
than in their own mind something other than people
and then once they've done that it's really easy for things to slip out like
other animals
right and the real shame about this is that he was
huckabee was actually had almost appoint
when he was talking about this means he may be observation that
a lot of large-scale protest demonstrations that can turn violent
often happen on Friday the Muslim day of prayer
but we doesn't really came to realize or acknowledged is the context that why
that's case
because I mean what bear Friday's
their Sunday best because they have most part the day off they're all
out at the house in can outside on the street in commute a system of
and so when they leave their too much easier to rallying organize people to do
things like
progress indicator for democracy against military rule or against extremism
which is white we saw in Egypt during the last
people and soul for Huckabee to guest
I take something like protests on Friday and then immediately go see you
did not mean that up muslims are dangerous
or they treat their days of prayer ill
bad shows a lack of understanding and inside on his part
when I would add I'm I'm old enough to remember in the nineteen sixties when
this very same kind of language was used to describe people
I who were engaged who were participating in civil rights marches
and and you know outspokenly in civil rights activity
coming out a black churches in
and it's it's it's like this it just seems to me that
this is
that the that that the underbelly of racism in this society
has never gone away it hasn't diminished we haven't you know everybody says
everything's been
all well now everything is I not so much
I don't think your thoughts on right i mean at
be the phrase has been tossed around 11 post-racial society that the entirely
true
I during his press come today way enriching online at the fact that
integration
the immigration bill passed the Senate wouldn't far behind Shin the problem
an Obama said that I don't know a single law that's all two hundred and a problem
on the family gave was
that the voting rights act helped lessen discrimination but discrimination still
exists
which is are really good true
operation to make any discrimination most def lead us to adjust their have
been
lost when the place help it out our society as a whole I feel
is much more much better about dealing with issues of race
but there are still these pockets and the institutional
%uh situations where discrimination still exists and drive the van
so what do we do about this that's a great question I mean
what the best thing we can do is raise our voices when we see the
instead happened don't let them just like I s'pose
I mean if if we all just turned a blind eye
towards where you summer first UN High Group Inc org animals
or I makes a derogatory statements in general then
it's much easier for networking propagates be seen as just tell what the
normal thing
but if we continue to speak out against it
that I think the best way to really change and the way things are looked at
yeah yeah speaking out and ends
to %uh your thoughts on the the idea reaching across
reaching out to a what we at
you know we had this this discussion really rather aggressively in the
sixties and seventies that
that lead to things like busing in lead to things like the voting rights act
like that
things like arm you know civil rights acts laws and
and and it seemed for a while there that we were really
we were really making some progress in really changing things and now we're
seen state after state is putting into place
voter suppression ID laws that largely target people of color
I were were be here in this kinda rhetoric from people like
like have River huckabee who
Eunos on national radio network way if a liberal were to say something like I
mean Ed Schultz called a woman a
a bad word once and he was you know two weeks he was off the air
I don't think that would happen right wing radio
now I i a I think that you write cost because
you have to look at who the clientele is I mean
if not no one in heartbeat audiences complaining
then no what reason would the radio stations have to pull him
I mean so bit the you do need to reduce from
summit outreach that you mention but you also have to take into
that account that I most up his base
didn't really see a problem with this comment that most people that
our convention I love the argument
more correct use of that mister AVS
both believe even had I'll what they're doing it more about voting and ivory
yeah I think your country what our Supreme Court has recently said that we
release
still need to be aggressively working in these areas legislatively
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