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INDIVIDUALS --
>> WHAT I'M SAYING --
>> YOU DENT GIVE THEM THE RIGHT.
>> THE GOLD STANDARD IS A FATHER
AND A MOTHER.
THAT'S WHAT WAS ORDAINED BY
NATURE AND NATURE'S GOD.
>> MARRIAGE WAS NOT ORDAINED BY
NATURE.
MOST MAMMALS DON'T COUPLE.
I THINK BEAVERS AND ELEPHANTS OR
SOMETHING.
>> HAVE YOU NOTICED ANATOMICALLY
THERE'S A GOODNESS OF FIT
BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.
>> NO ONE IS ARGUING THIS IS HOW
YOU PROCREATE BUT MARRIAGE IS
ABOUT LOVE AND COMMITMENT AND
THE --
>> NO, MARRIAGE IS ABOUT FAMILY.
MARRIAGE IS ABOUT FAMILY.
IT'S NOT ABOUT LOVE.
TWO SISTERS CAN LOVE EACH OTHER
GOP PEOPLE --
>> MARRIAGE IS NOT ABOUT LOVE?
ARE YOU MARRIED?
>> THAT'S AN ODD IDEA IN WESTERN
HISTORY.
THE IDEA TWO PEOPLE SHOULD GET
MARRIED --
>> HOPEFULLY PEOPLE DO LOVE EACH
OTHER.
MARRIAGE IS ALSO BASED
HISTORICALLY ON DUTY AND
COMMITMENT.
>> IT'S ABOUT LOVE.
THE DUTY, THE COMMITMENT,
THOSE --
>> THAT'S GREAT.
IT CAN'T BE THE CONDITION.
OTHERWISE YOU CAN SANCTION ALL
THE KINDS OF THINGS I'M TALKING
ABOUT.
>> BILL, FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A
LOT HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO
DISCUSS THEM, BUT I THINK WE
WANT TO COME BACK TO A FEW BASIC
PROPOSITIONS.
IN ARIZONA, THERE WAS NO LEGAL
FORCE MAKING BUSINESS OWNERS DO
BUSINESS WITH GAY PEOPLE THEY
DON'T WANT TO.
SO THE LAW FUNDAMENTALLY WAS
UNNECESSARY.
THE GOVERNOR SAID IT.
THAT'S WHY SHE VETOED IT.
THE BIGGER PROPOSITION IS, WHY
DO YOU WANT TO DISCRIMINATE
AGAINST GAYS.
YOU SAY WE DON'T AS INDIVIDUALS,
ONLY THE MARRIAGES BOTHER US.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> BUT THAT'S THE SAME THING
BECAUSE THEIR RIGHT AS AN
INDIVIDUAL IS TO MARRY.
YOU DO NOT OWN MARRIAGE.
IT WAS NOT DEVELOPED BY
CHRISTIANS.
IT IS A CIVIL SITUATION.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> SECULAR.
>> THE CATHOLIC CHURCH --
>> THEY HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS.
>> THE CATHOLIC CHURCH GOT ITS
IDEA ON SEXUALITY FROM JEWS.
>> YOUR IDEA THAT MARRIAGE IS
BETTER BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN
IS REALLY ABOUT BEING ONE VERSUS
TWO, LOVE VERSUS NOT HAVING
LOVE.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
>> I HAVE CHRISTIANITY, JUDAISM,
MUSLIMS, I HAVE MORMONS, MOST OF
THE WORLD WHO REGARD THIS IDEA
AS BEING BIZARRE.
THAT TWO MEN SHOULD GET MARRIED.
THIS IDEA THAT TWO MEN SHOULD
GET MARRIED BECAUSE THEY ARE IN
LOVE WITH EACH OTHER, I DON'T
KNOW.
>> YOU SAY LOVE IS IMPORTANT TO
MARRIA
MARRIAGE.
>> LOVE IS A CONDITION OF
MARRIAGE IS VERY NEW.
IF PEOPLE WERE -- HOPEFULLY --
MY DAUGHTER GOT MARRIED LAST
JULY.
HOPEFULLY SHE'LL STAY HAPPILY
MARRIED.
>> I CAN'T EVEN -- I DON'T KNOW
WHERE TO START THAT LOVE IS NOT
A CONDITION OF MARRIAGE.
I MEAN, REALLY.
>> DUTY AND COMMITMENT.
>> OF COURSE, BUT THEY GROW FROM
IT.
AND THE LAST POINT IS THIS.
YOU ARE IN A TOUGH SPOT.
HERE'S WHY OTHER THAN JUST
SITTING ACROSS FROM ME WHICH IS
ALWAYS NOT PLEASANT.
HERE'S THE PROBLEM.
THESE CHRISTIANS WHO ARE MORE OF
THE EXTREME WHO TAKE THE BIBLE
AS LITERAL INTERPRETATION OR
THEY ARE FOLLOWING A SPECIFIC
PASTOR, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN
RIGID BELIEFS.
YOU HAVE A LEADER IN YOUR
CHURCH, THE POPE.
AND HIS MESSAGE THAT IS DRAWING
SO MUCH ACCLAIM, BRINGING SO
MANY PEOPLE BACK TO YOUR CHURCH
IS SO DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE YOU
ARE OFFERING UP.
I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR OP ED
COMING UP THAT SAYS THAT WHEN
THE POPE SAID WHO IS IT FOR ME
TO JUDGE GAYS HE WAS
AASSUMPTION THAT WERE SEEKING
GOD.
YOU CAN BE GAY AND SEEKING GOD.
HE'S SAYING LOVE, NOT INCLUDE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT LAW IS
ABOUT AND THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU
ARE SAYING.
>> I DO BELIEVE PEOPLE OUGHT TO
LOVE GAYS AS WE WOULD STRAIGHTS.
I AM ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT.
AND DISCRIMINATION AGAINST GAYS
IS WRONG.
I THINK THE INSTITUTION OF
MARRIAGE --