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washington bureau chief for the huffington post of ryan graham welcome
to the program ryan
uh... so well let me let me start with these speeches last night
uh... because i was
completely be followed by these uh... these dual um...
i guess uh...
speeches i guess ur
or
uh... dresses by below first president obama
he came down that that red carpet what's i called as a chinese man theater
yugioh okay so he walks down the red carpet it comes at the end
he is speaking um... as if
to us actually not is that has not been following this it seems at all
is that an accurate assessment mean both he and bone there seem to be
talking about this as if this is just sort of come out
gate deluge think altogether
you're looking at that location on wed
and how it should be raised uh... a political pollsters uh...
badly hurt you if you're right on that both of them uh... talk that the people
like they were kept just showed up for a quick sunday school
and so and let me ask you this that what disappoint president obama came out and
he was very much he embraced um...
uh... bainer here
he and he specifically blamed
essentially didn't and name it but the key party caucus in the house
he said the words balanced approach six times over the course of whatever his
five or seven minutes twelve minutes uh... address
and uh...
what what what what's it going for here
well-kept you know it almost looked like
uh...
and i hope to dictate but looks like
he was setting
failure
guilty when he was drunk and make it clear to the american people that get
this whole thing goes down
it's not his fault
uh... he what he wants seems like you want the sound like the reasonable guy
low look at what i've offered a balance balance balance balance
and they refused to take it and so uh...
one that should go down openly
and in fact they were going to be a dialogue right after me and uh... he
uh... they are almost made his case for
right i mean in in he's responsible but the one thing that that that
that sort of mystifies me on this
and it almost suggests to me that he may be making another speech
is that he came out and he kept talking about revenue increase its right he
wanted a bouncer approach rather increases in cuts but earlier in the day
uh... harry reid came out with a proposal that had two point seven
trillion dollars in cuts
and no revenue increases and the white house said that they could live with
that
wide right why do you bring that up in these he basically skipping some of his
powder dry to come back in in five days in say okay today uh... uh... is is the
disaster day we're willing to take uh...
two point seven trillion in cuts and they still say no
we are really uh... speech only make her
in the context of the up people because you're right at the time line doesn't
make sense in the morning
pete said he had come up on ok with uh... that would just deal that would be
all packed up on all cut
no revenue
and then in the evening he he goes back to pushing pushing for this grand
bargain voted
the like pat buchanan is framing
uh... you know who gets blamed
for this thing going down
and uh... then uh... there came up he didn't talk any any specifics to
um... and basically just he seemed to be talking to a completely different
constituency he's worried about a revolt in his own party isn't
god
and talk to an entire
nation when you're only audience
at the eighty some hot tea party folks
in your car kits like why not just meet them in the basement of capital and can
speak directly to them and i i get the answer to that effect she'd want empathy
pennies he's
not be asking them behind close doors with the system this is the message that
he's taking to the
appealed to the entire country so
uh... but you know it was kind of scary little talk to the gate because you'd be
a bit hardest
how those tunes
side cuba obama then followed by david hale
how in a couple of days goes to her to be reconciled he'd really struck a flag
in the crowder
yeah and he also he also uh... broke the first uh... rule of addressing the tea
party on national t_v_ aren't you supposed to speak into a camera to the
right
of the one that sent it filming you
drawer called or or we don't look directly into the camera day that was
the most disconcerted thanking them reviews that it'd party people is little
more directly into a camera
butter
now but is this a function of the fact that he came out with his plan which is
um... which i wanted to delineate the the read plan and a bit about uh... the
bainer plan for me
but my understanding is
that was more or less rejected by uh...
uh... the house tea party caucus
without
you know it's not that not enough for them
they don't want uh...
uh... if you could i get off your trillion dollars in cuts and the promise
of a vote
on a constitutional amendment that they want
you know but without the whole government cut down they want others
cocked pistol meant to be part of the constitution you know by next tuesday
died so anything short of that
uh... you know it is
in something that they're going to reject them and their and bigger
basically tactic
uh... and then if you'll read comes back with this
here's your two point seven trillion dollars in cuts
two point five trillion dollar increase the debt periods every creed abhor
and there
you know so they're in the position of looking crazy for not taking it
an important firework work there seems to wondered about that and that's
starting to become more apparent today
by uh... by cochran regarding the president
for not leading and saying look we're leader
we're the ones that are
presenting plan
that means that you have to go forward
with his plan
and coat dr
uh... went back thursday there could be both
american know-how
on on the house plan ed because you have to do that because the don't put out to
me marbles in that bag about angle leader
then it goes over the panic
where kept squashed
gunnery practice here
reasonable looking
legislation
and that's up to the house
to either uh... happen or not pass it
and that put all the old come out
and in washington but the laptop standing
but the one that
usually becomes law
and so bainer
biet by his covered bragging about how is the leader
had been forced to leave
and
the people that are behind him or the ones that are probably going to be able
to a push their bill
over the over that
over the finish line so
you know he kinda screwed himself here bio
by getting too far out in front of the profit
ultimately got outlook malcolm poplar failed cab right before i get out but
that's not the way it seems to be
the calcutta i want about one hour break down the actual two different plans
because there's some very subtle differences uh... when you look at it
from a from from afar but if you get get closer they're they're they're pretty
significant differences
but basically what you're saying is that because
uh... that this is sort of like uh... the reverse of the the tic tac toe i
play with my daughter
uh... in this case because he goes first
um... it's gonna be
uh... it's gonna be back on the house at the end of the day it's going to be back
on the house to reject or accept
a bill that could come out of the senate which would be harry real reads bill and
is the house
basically they'll take the last vote before defaults is that basically what
it comes down to
yet and that the position that if you read that you want to be and and and we
probably predominately diplomats are legislative
and parliamentary tactician and
and if you go down to work later on that point well i mean to be fair uh... we
don't know yet mcconnell help to right not to be so we don't know if the bainer
or is been sober the whole way and it we can only imagine i think that there was
sober he might be you might be doing a little bit better so i don't make it a
judge in a bitter on anybody let's let's add up breakdown breakdown for me
uh... harry reid to plan
uh... he's got it's two point seven trillion dollars a cuts
what where do the cuts come from
thing
cut did not come
uh... from social security or medicare
uh... or other entitlement program that they are right or medicaid or gourmet or
medicaid right
they come from
uh... discretionary spending and they did make one guy on their way
uh... to getting to through a trillion some dollars
then they factor and uh...
you know if they're not interest
lapping that bill nichols intolerant about four hundred billion
is not like that and an attack on what about a trillion or so
savings from i wasn't going to war a little bit left over the next decade
right and filled with that you get the
two point seven program
okay so you gotta a trillion and predicated on the ending of afghanistan
in iraq wars
uh... you get there four hundred billion off of the savings on interest because
you're not borrowing uh... the money
and then uh...
uh... another one point three or so
um... who comes from uh...
three trillion three hundred billion comes from cutting out friday night on a
while we've been doing that
though the whole fraud thing that that should never be
a line item in any bus which he describes i'm concerned
you know we have a yahoo abroad lobbied better very strong washington story
there are no one of you in the bottom became governor of uh... uh... of
florida is my understanding
uh... right
uh... but okay so we cut that out
and then he also hasn't you one of the first day if not the first to report on
this
he has the inclusion of the super congress
but it's slightly different than uh... bainer super congress
breakdown read super congress
but robo-cup to prepare a combo woodwork and somewhere where where you have
uh... twelve but at the twelve-member bicameral body where you've got
folks from the fact that throughout the tropics democrat
six republican
and you would need seven votes for them to pass legislation
that legislation would bring
abdul ram through congress
abstract in a matter of days
it couldn't be amended opportu how they could just be voted on
don't what you've got
uh... the leadership's behind this trip
at the fair complete her and i think a little bit my understanding is that
there's there's no filibustering to see the right and the senate
the big back we are not solve the problem lol dolly or group of you've
been hearing
i'm talking about uh...
filibuster traditional and whatever
whatever addy relay that will apply anymore knelt down to the key difference
between there was a good buy one more liquefied one more thing to do when you
talk about legislation you're essentially talking about cuts
and a lot of people are concerned in in the idea is that uh... these cuts
they could be social security
they could be medicare they could be medicaid they could be anything
essentially
and they are not subject to a filibuster
behar uh... they're not subject to amendments and he it really is there'd
there too important elements one he's who sits on that uh... this this uh...
this high commission of the super congress
and then the other part the difference between reed and uh... mainers plan is
and
compared with the allied default
now three
either would it
uh... extend the debt ceiling past the past the election
so you wouldn't have to monkey around with this
with this debate again
uh... bear however would only
offer out about a trillion
slightly and change uh... inc reproductive which mean perfect six
months
sometime uh... after that a year from now
we have to come back to this debate and he pulled me away
photography could vote on rate in the deputy campus is the first passed
the recommendation the legislation that recommendation is that the legislation
that comes from
super congress so
that would be
uh... the patent situation to will magnify text
exponentially don't you know if you don't pack their now would you have to
have a fat chocolate biology natural but right now we cannot amend it but you
don't after you cameras repair
that's that's a status date
massive massive different sending one is that there's a pair of tremendous in the
bangor plan there's a lot of leverage here
to pass this thing not only is the threshold lower abut there there's a
tremendous amount eleven leverage on the band i think
on uh... on reads proposal there is no leverage
and so um... you know they could they could say we're gonna cut x_y_z_
uh... but you need just basically in upper dom vote
tech washes thing in the senate
or you would need altered
uh... democrat
on the superconductivity reputed to anything if they did that in the best
situation
people will be the resolve and work in the residual asian
they would just be a bunch of wasted
uh... meetings and you still parties uh... right okay so
so that's a big difference and and despite that fact
the uh... the republican uh... banners caucus as beverage acted
right thing i would like to
in the past have been copier kal that have been used to *** active
uh... you know the greenspan uh... mentioned back in what a three-year
that up
expended are the wife of hostile to curitiba you're making tweaks and
written contract with america
i get something that they that they don't like the for example of something
that that didn't work for them because it involved
some tiny amount of of tax increases so
yet uh... took down the department uh... uh
that's a big the trigger or not
um... then we've got some people are a number thirteen we have had reservations
about
or training there
uh...
younger super legislative body
because your great-great talker huge demand
two thousand i'm too doesn't have a closed-door meetings and guardedly
optimistic out here
all you need to do is call the super congress
the uh... superstar congress is on the relegated to the poison pill
uh... elastin
uh... walker
sometimes we have technical difficulties inhabitants north was in my thoughts
pals
real question is that willie into some hit the bottom up so i can use
uh... city
i and i had a little bit of technical difficulties and i opera
uh... so so collette the superstar congress and that's the point of telling
can never they can never exist
uh... bubbly let me ask you this eric it because
m i consider myself someone who is not in any way hesitant
new uh...
to classify
uh... recall republicans and particularly tca a tea party people has
completely bat *** crazy
even with that understanding
do not understand why they are rejecting the bainer planned because it you know
you can look back at uh... that uh... greenspan commission
all they did was essentially raise taxes
on
not on poor people but on the hard-core people in our class people uh... them
and uh... they could they could
you know they can always reject this they have the majorities in the house
um... you know uh... if this
uh... superstar commission that came up with this
what what is their endgame here i mean is this are we at the point now
where there is absolutely
no cohesion on the republican side whatsoever i mean
there is no bullying there is nothing it's simply every man for himself at
this point
yet talking to you
uh... atop house republican eight very early are in this in this congress n
and he kept talking about that stuck with me that was uh... he said you know
where
we're in a position where we can get
tremendous in unprecedented confessions
from democrat which reached
see it before it
look at the question structure are we going to be able to persuade
ark restaurant to pick them
and that's always been uh... but always been the tension i think part of what's
happening is that
uh... the game depression republicans has really
the lines
that the republican been watching that have been using for years
uh... really
internalized
that via leaf in washington why do you
that the game is rigged
uh... you know you can't make a difference north that where are you look
at the weather watch at work to petra thatcher
and that no they showed that pearly ong let me rejected beat up
contract but if you remember that
uh... that they were told
look this is just particularly little provisions of the just three oh three
month extension please we need to fix it
really big deal destructive
and the pressure but no we don't trust you
but you know this neighborly internal auditors distrust of institutions that
the republicans greeting for a couple decades now
an appendix comment on the route now
uh... being a cancer and the party or take a look
this is an amazing deal you're not going to get and i think i don't have to know
if we don't believe you
it's it's it's like they all have rabies it's like literally you have a rabid
raccoons you put a plate of food in front of it it just sort of like thinks
it's loop
i mean a big bird it it's it's it's bizarre well let me ask you this um...
and because if that's the that's needed to me the most under-reported story here
is that this is not unlike what happened with immigration i think uh...
agus four years ago now where this sort of the the elective oral
of the the the lies in the red meat they'd been feeding the electoral base
they've created these these these frankenstein's
and uh... they're even lasts sort of like uh... uh... kal hearing then
frankenstein in some respects but where where does anybody know where the
republican presidential uh... hopefuls are on this
videotape and a great much are
respect
the depression have much respect his presidential hopeful that they have for
the leadership that which is an
offer you a very very little
uh... that because i feel that they would vote little incentive for the use
candidates
to weigh in here
i think yeah i mean it seems
you get this would be the like that the number one i mean this is the most
relevant thing for these guys right i mean uh... if they're going to be a
default ameen what's gonna happen uh... presumably in a year if you're president
or year and a half if you're president and this debt ceiling thing comes up
will partner uh... arab st foul joel always date
protections that the cheap
should bow to get the paper clean no matter what
associate
depicts staking a little out on the far right column
no i don't know what a president bachmann with dua ka
she had the raise the debt ceiling um...
colosio and do it we don't pretend like this never happens
rabbit
exactly
uh...
and you know that the other attempts have no taken extreme positions but
you know what was the out where they pay that they'd like
uh... you know they want these pipes a prosecutor
but not yet been out at the table and they don't have to vote so it kind of
him
don't you just get you a sharper
for them to be and what will be because they know that what they've heard of him
doesn't have that much topical
alcoholic folks
see them settled at the next president
and uh... you don't know that
block to deal with it
all right well or close their opportunity to get it just a clean debt
ceiling fan
right so what's the white house and where do we think this goes i mean
uh... we need is your sense that there's not going to be a deal at all
dared
their concerns are
very strong talk about it there's no deal uh... i think it though
administration that rates would find some way
to avoid default uh...
i don't i don't know how literal about working from an atomic arms of the
author and do that but
at the time tether
dot that was a little car
everything that you could just fighter necessary clause
embattled fenway park
awakened to if you know opal bomb puro
uh... suspending habeas corpus but but i think that
there did it do you can check that
uh... the alpha patted
before before the house won't cut like the chapter anger will lose
the boat because democrats are going up
opulent rally against it
right and
thinner to thin eluded them up part of a dome conference he could actually
not get his going through the house
eb at which
point deal
no return call candace brahma tables
debug even if you don't get it through the fed will then quickly squash it
uh... with mcconnell help
warpath rar
two point seven trillion dollars in cuts them
evento and then it'll be up to the house
and the that that'll be banners moment where do you have to decide swallowing
help
armed or put it on the floor
and try to packed with democrats and republicans working together
or do i want to keep it from the floor
now what he could be earlier put it on the floor
but because of the democratic thing to do and boating against if i think that
this terrible
but i'm gonna put it on the floor and that allow
good folks
under seems to have charter whip up
don't fail hundred hundred ten
republican votes in a hundred and ten
you've got a quote from the and then you've got it and then he hoped for
there's no verbal does
comptroller i mean is that is if you put it on the floor he's done as speaker the
house is any
i mean to you we will be around i don't want is net cantors i mean isn't that
cantors wet dream right there amin isn't that what he's waiting for the bill goes
from the senate the mcconnell and
with the reid bill uh... with mcconnell's blessing goes from the
senate to the house
uh... and day nears says i'll put it on the floor put it up to a vote on the
vote against it
and uh... the uh... all of uh... the tea party caucus votes against it
some of the moderate republicans that if there are any i don't know if there are
any enough basically dealing with the democrats to pass it
it passes in kantor basically become speaker
all right
but you know when you lay out applaud bought they thought the pothole that of
the the the fragile realized that
uh... they didn't have they don't have it and they can certainly catch
overthrown um... but there i mean is that there's no shortage of club members
of his
convert or um...
you know we were work would be happy to see that happen
but there are there other to who recognize the value of having
uh... bear up their i'm going to be
they'll let him stay there for awhile um...
before brought him over border
uh...
and and and you know if if it's hard to cut
riot you're right i mean then that matter
that painters
are huge problematic
one final question for you on the fourteenth amendment
has the office of legal counsel weighed in on this i know that we've heard from
geiger i know that we've heard from
from uh... the administration but as the officer legal counsel waiting because it
all to millie
that would be the
to the fig leaf if i'll bomb a had to come on uh... t_v_ again walk down the
red carpet
and say look we've tried everything
it hasn't passed
and uh... the justice department is told me that it is uh... it is my obligation
constitutionally as an undergraduate here it's my obligation constitutionally
to invoke the uh... uh... the
uh... fourteenth amendment for closing fourteenth amendment i have to have to
do this
well pat
i think that uh... the closure kept could collapse the more likely something
like that is uh... steve said in college park the other day
i asked about this
and you get that about where you go um...
he's said
our people have looked into it which i
soon
mean probably work out what they have a comment to one another
uh...
on whether or not p_p_o_ has actually dropped a memo or what the fed
yelled mike my political
but that means
but that the winning argument that was a strange properly but it's not an
argument
bracket the power struggle joking he later that is what i'm doing that
the professor's kim
go ahead and argue with outdoor type expert older side they'll have experts
on their product and becomes a power struggle over whether it was actually
try to impeach the president
over overpaying
elsewhere
i think that the political
argument that he wins hands down
i agree with that i will run grant thank you so much i i know i can still on and
i said i would but i appreciate it states
edward clutter
it's it's it's just uh... this is where justin just one of those is among the
most bizarre periods of politics uh... uh...
in the in in years and years as far as i can tell is so strange
so straight up to a and made up
it did see it is just
bazaar it is like uh...
it is a layer is in layers of theater and uh...
uh... north negative
frankly i think you so much for joining us