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Irune The ignorance that there is, the ignorance of the people of what is high technology,
what is progress,
of what we should be asking our authorities,
is what makes this health catastrophe in which we are getting into ;
because in Europe it's clear.
It’s here that there has been a systematic disinformation campaign by the industry
so that people assume that this is , in the first place , advance, progress, high technology ,
so, to be modern must be risking their health and second that is harmless.
Carlos We are electrical, basically.
From neurons to the fingertips.
We move a muscle based on an electrical impulse.
Beats the heart based on an electrical impulse.
We think based by electrical impulses.
And This is affected by the outside electricity
Because In the brain only micro volts are enough
to change the way people think.
Pedro What does happen with what is an antenna? .
If I have an antenna and when I give current to it up and down ,
I generate a magnetic field that is spreading into the space.
On the other side ,there is another antenna that is well and when the magnetic field reaches it , moves it
and generates an electric current in this gadget. My body works,
because it's an electrical system, it works like a radio receiver,
what does happen when my circuits resonate with external circuits?
That there is a disruption of my electrical system.
OFF 1. Starting in 1831 , that Faraday discovered how to produce electric currents by induction
and , that in 1879, Edison perfected the incandescent lamp,
began the current era of modernization:
lighting, electric motors, refrigeration, radio, television, radars,
appliances, power lines, transformers, substations,
telephone repeaters, cordless phones, wifi, Bluetooth
and a large etcetera are generating electromagnetic fields.
These artificial fields, together with the radiation reaching us from space and the ones that
the earth itself generates (telluric networks),
they do that our habitat is turned into a studding of waves and
radiations that shape an enormous spiderweb that ,
though ,invisible our eyes, it exists.
This phenomenon is known as electromagnetic pollution ,
electroesmog or electropollution.
Pedro Today there are cables for all the sides.
This quantity of cables that we have filled up to the head-board of the bed,also.
We put cables, bulbs a series of devices
and now we enter any room and there is, then, a radius alarm clock,
there is a television, there is a sound system, there is the mobile phone,
there is the loader of the mobile, there is … things that 50 years ago did not even exist these devices.
This proliferation of devices and of pollution extra, of electromagnetic fields extra,
is the one that we called an electromagnetic pollution.
OFF2 This long-term exposure to so massively increased radiations does not have precedent in the human history.
If this class of pollution is or not harmful to the health, it is a topic of debate that lasts already more than two decades.
The only thing that seems to be clear is that nobody can avoid the exposure,
because already there are no places in the world where they do not reach the frequencies of communication.
Pedro There is not even an alone medical certificate that certifies the innocuousness
of any generating source of electromagnetic fields,
especially that the most we have, which are the mobiles, the DEC one (Digital Enhanced Cordless Telecommunications) ,
there is nothing.
What does happen? That these electrical fields that induce our body , which generate electrical currents
have consequences in a short or in a long term , depending on the intensity and on the frequency of interference with my body.
First, that's a disruption of my normal electrical state, this will always be harmful,
a disturbance, however it is slight, however it is slight is a disturbance.
I can not walk down the street giving to people slaps . Nobody dies of cancer of that , but there is a right that nobody can be touching me ( while I am walking without my consent)
Dr Olea The radiation that so much worries, nowadays, for seeing its effect in health that is an electromagnetic radiation not ionizing
tied to the telephony, to the wifis, to the electronic systems of habitual use, since they are very little acquaintances.
The effects are little known and there are few series of follow-ups. One of the keys to know
if a thing is good or bad for the health it is to establish cohorts as we call
of healthy people exposed to this type of radiation and to see as patient and, to the same time, if it is possible, to measure which is the degree of exposure.
Probably, there , the problem is . As the systems of measure of this radiation,
the environmental monitoring of this radiation is not simple and in addition it has not been born in mind, has not been established as a rule of game,
so we have very little information on what the actual individual exposure and the risk of disease throughout your life.
Calos The major problem is that we live in electrically harmful environments. And this comes from the 50s for here. Before, this problem did not exist.
Alish: Can you define us what means electrically harmful, which are these electrical pollutants?
Well, everything opposite to what we have here. Here we have natural materials: stone, ceramics, lime, wood …
And in the city we have asphalt, concrete, plastic, melanins , agglomerated … They Are material that, apart from the fact that they emit chemical toxic pollutants,
are dielectric , i.e. , they are insulating of the electricity. When we become charged in front of the computer, or with the mobile phone,
we cannot become discharged because we do not touch land.
Because of it I, sometimes, I say to a person which is electro sensitive : " Go to the bath and puts the hands under the faucet”. During two minutes .
The water jet is an effective earth wire. Because what happens to many people is that they do not rest either can sleep, if they are seven or eight hours in the bed,
but they get up tiring, confused, get up with headache,
with backache because they have not given up the tension.
There was an electrical source that gets on their nerves
This sound that produces the device is proportional to the field that I am receiving,
is the same thing, which exists in my neurons. Or, if I measure this person with an
encephalogram there will appear a very upset wave that as the Dr. that as the Dr. Fon Lee Ching says
psychotic peaks,
for example, in spite of only speaking with a mobile 15 minutes. Psychotic peaks, or, peaks similar to an assault of madness
that they remain for 24 hours. With only 15 minutes of using a mobile.
There is a French researcher who is employed at Kyosho's unit (Japan), now the name I do not go out for me in French,
who relates it , especially, the mobile telephony,
as we have said, they are the most dangerous waves that we have now in the environment,
he relates it to autism, to hyperactivity, to deficit of attention, to Parkinson
and to Alzheimer so with the most dominant neurological pathologies in our culture.
OFF 3 There are some people who suffer from extreme way all these effects,
and they are unable to lead a normal life when they are exposed to a radiation source. 0:08:20 For years they are joining in associations of affected and press to the public administrations 0:08:25 in order that they put brake on so much permissiveness, they denounce the lack of responsibility of different ministries involved,
the financing network with public money and
they claim the creation of white zones where there is not allowed the installation of sources of radiation
Irune Our association is called EHS SOS, SOS because it´s SOS from S.O.S,
due to we need urgent help, immediate help to electro hypersensitive people , ; SOS EHS.
We want the general population to approach and know
what it is to live with an electro hypersensitive person, because we could be consider the lepers of the twentieth century,
like the ancient lepers , but instead seeing people running from us ,
we run away from them , because they hurt us. We are not contagious,
but we can not be in a place with more people, for example in a demonstration, in a dancing event , in a square,
in a concentration of people ……why? Well, because they all carry the cellular phones in their pockets ,
because even if some of them aren´t using their phones ( a radiation concentration occurs connecting with the antenna) others are talking
and that´s unbearable for us. We start with a headache, some of us have vertigo, dizziness of some intensity
,that can lead to a situation of 3 or 4 nights sleepless,
because you will not get rid of brain swelling and because it has affected melatonin, you know, the headache does disappear ,
you'll be exhausted, your whole body hurts, you will have pains similar to fibromyalgia, 0:10:14 and perhaps, fibromyalgia is closely related
with this phenomenon.
Antonio In my life, then, there are several limitations to the extent that we are here to say that almost incidentally, we truly the electro hypersensitive, we are lifeless, we spent the day by day as we can. We wake up , we measure the radiation
to have the house to take shelter inside the house to rest. There is not a good relationship and coexistence even with the closest people.
In the street, we practically, I do not relate to anyone. I have a very short trip down the street that I have measured. A bar, a walk.
Public transportation is prohibitive. We have to take many steps. If I want to use a train, then I have to stick my head out the window.
Alish: What happens on the train ? Tell me how do you travel by train? On the train microwave radiation is intensified because many rebounds are made,
there is a kind of bell effect and I, well, before I had the radiation meter I felt much anguish , choking, headache, dizziness.
If I continued on the trip I may become unconscious, in fact ,sometimes I got off the train before the trip was over . Waiting for a train without people
in order to be able continue the journey
Alish: And that's because of the mobile phone ? and it is by the microwave radiation on the train . They are usually from mobile phones and now they (people) carry laptops, too
Alish: also with a laptop? Yes, also
Alish: and into the buses , of course, they are everywhere in the plane…
Do you travel by plane?
I have not once again committed the imprudence of taking a bus and I hope never commit it again
because if you are there You are trapped, without exit . You'd have to break the glass to jump.
Irune When the level of destruction, of biological harm within the human body,
(animals are also affected ) increase and exceeds the rate of reparative capacity,
we have an accumulation of damage that
within about 5 , 7 or 10 years, very serious diseases will appear
ie, brain tumors, tumors of all kinds, including the parotid gland, the auditory nerve, aggravation of diabetes ,
various cancers, leukemias, … neurological problems like Alzheimer,
Parkinson, in people with weakness in
the cardiovascular system, blood supply problems. Well,
one of the symptoms that electro- sensitive persons
we usually feel when higth radiation levels occurs is numbness of organs.
Ana In general, it is fatigue, fatigue, pain, pain
in joints, muscles, dizziness, a sensation of fog, like of fog,
for the lack of myelin, it is like a stress, because
of the electromagnetic fields as if you were receiving constant stress, stress, stress, very strong stress.
Irune the blood-brain barrier is being affected too, it opens and we lose the protection,
so toxins enters the brain , toxins that should not have gone in there,
because the blood filtering fails
and toxins reach the brain,
penetrating heavy metals and viruses in the brain that should not be there,
so, one of the symptoms experienced by people affected
is cerebral inflammation, that is, for example the electro –sensitive persons
feel brain swelling, as if we had a heat stroke,
as if we were burning inside,
Ana If I am aware of an electromagnetic field near me ,
where I notice it, it is in the head,
that is, It starts a pain, especially in this area, bribribribri,
ie, in the hear, bribribribri, it's like, if I can hear it ,
as if I am hearing it .
And it is in this area.
Montse What I was feeling was like, in the central brain,
as if my brain had been cut up with a sharp knife
So what I did: I left this site,
I tried to relax myself and the thing disappeared.
and he said: - "Well, look what you can do it is to leave the room where
you sleep, away from the source, from beam, from the direct radiation , and you get away from it .
And , yeah, yeah, we went away from the direct radiation and
we have installed in the dining room.
Antonio I , myself, have this radio wave meter since scanty time ago. I have been very prudent, the whole life and then, I have been guided
by my perceptions, my sensations till to lose consciousness , sometimes, without carrying anything that could establish to which I was exposed.
Now I have the meter and I have verified in the whole Durango
that in these sites where I have suffered faints,
worsening of the whole picture of symptomatology,
in these places there were a super excess of radiations .there were tons of radiations. I have verified them.
Alish: Before, you commented to me that you live permanently sick, with headache permanently. Yes, I have a dizziness that is intensified
more or less depending on the exposure and as depending the day goes by , because even though I could be in places where
there is not much radiation it's true that I am loading myself, right? I, for example, from this hour, that is already a bit late,
I am enough exhausted, but, well, this moment is entertaining. I am not in the habit of having occasion to be with people either.
Alish: Do not you have much contact with people, then? No, I don’t. I stay with them for a very little short time , sometimes, I coincide with someone at a Bar, I have not explained them the problematic either that I have, because I do not believe that they will understand it. Now I am opening myself more.
The relations…
Alish: - I mean, this is like being no more closeted? Yes, now I start being no more closeted and now I dare say it openly.
What I did not dare to carry a lot is the radiofrequency meter because the meter also creates conflict! Huh. There are people who mocks.
Alish: - Is not this a little paranoid always gotten there thinking that you are being hit by the airwaves?
Not really , because the first manifestations are physical, I want to say, sensory, have felt them before knowing that the problem existed and from the TV.
Then, I have sufficient arguments to demonstrate that they are really physical. In my case I get analysis
with lupus characteristics
and pleural effusion, clinical analysis with antibodies
that I believe that they will yield in a space where there was no radiation, in x time, in a certain time;
Is the proposal that I want to do to doctors.
In my case, I believe that It would yield ,because in these places I end up by recovering enough my health.
It is necessary to me to speak with the neighbor of above and with more people because it is still a topic difficult
to get into their house to convince them that remove something, right? They cannot understand that if it does not go out in the TV, it is bad.
Ana The family does not believe me because this is not exists, because this they are paranoias. Yes, my friends,
I was lucky of that my friends were supporting me.
I say it because there are people who is very alone in this.
Antonio I believe that they never believe me,
that almost never.
That they believe me in certain degree, that one day they believe me,
the following day the person who has believed me maybe has forgotten or someone has said something to him and already he does not believe me
to the persons who live nearby, it is clearly, because the ones who are far…
Doctors are very hard to reach . Now , I have reached to Galdakao that is a Hospital of here and with this
I have managed to reach it and to introduce papers of the European Parliament
and with this they listened to me a bit more and I am to continue with this battle.
I want to prove, or to test on me that my exacerbations and my symptoms of lupus has to do with exposure.
That I will not say the cause . Which it is something that could not prove , but in or with regard to exacerbation and remission.
To be and not to be exposed.
Montse then, of course, we had to find, some curtains,
a material that was not too inexpensive and protect us
and we found out an aluminum material, doubled side,
with air bubbles between the two layers and the truth is that it could not be better for us
There is a hottest spot , but now I do not remember where it is.
Alish: Shall we close it now?
do I down it ? I go slowly so you can see first with the aluminum blinds
See now, have you seen it ? Now , I down it even more
Can you See ?
And now we put this at night
you see, but this is very high for sleeping in this room ; even with these values ??we can not sleep in this room.
there Are 0.4 V / m we can not sleep here.
There , in the living room, we have 0,19 V/m
I'm affected, also concerned so, that's why we organize ourselves as a an NGO
Without profit because it was the only way to submit roles,
you can claim in from of municipalities, asking road use
because since 2004 we demonstrated damage outside the town hall informing the public and from thus
there have been put no more mobile base stations these large phone mobile base stations
because people are greatly concerned here in Mataró and they do not want them,
they do not want them, Those that are set will be very difficult removing them,
but people do not want them,
they do not want Mobile phone base stations
Antonio Ruíz The companies prefer economic profit to public health.
The Town Council, the Town Council looks the other way.
The Town Council does not assume its functions, that is to guarantee public health.
As all you know antennas on the roof are totally unlawful.
It is an economic activity, an activity with spirit of profit, dangerous
and along the time.
David There is information that have been contributed in judicial headquarters,
in some contentious-administrative appeals , in which there is demonstrated that an operator, in this case, of Badalona's city ,
the operator has an invoicing 1.300.000 € monthly.
I always have said that the best business that exists in the 20th century and , now for extension , in the 21st century
is the mobile telephony.
Very cheap cost, an antena, the electrical upkeep of the antenna
and then to do the communication that is invoiced to the clients and that therefore
generates an important benefit to the operators.
It is a very good business.
Montse At the present moment, the situation in Mataró
thanks to to the claims that we are
taking they are not installing any more mobile
base stations ,but it is true that companies are trying to
enlarge them, shared them in a whole in these in these locations that are about 35 mobile phone
base stations, which we previously saw as those big ones mobile phone base stations have become smaller,
they are systems shared with other companies
and they are being very difficult withdrawing
and on the other hand, what we we are seeing is that they are making an implantation of peak antennas ,
smaller antennas,
which are camouflaged, and the wifi system that is being incorporated in the whole city of Mataró. A lot of wifi points within the city of Mataró.
the large ones are been disguising as chimneys
but , also, you can find them hidden in the trees,
in tree palms ,inside marquees as we said.
Now, practically , they are systems as fireplaces, also inside fireplaces.
This is like a white block
as if it was an extension of the building of white color r and just like a box
OFF 13 In spite of the complaints of affected. There are many neighbors' communities that continue accepting the installation of antennas of mobile telephony on its roofs.
The reason is fundamentally of economic type,
since with facility they can manage to obtain with the contract more than 10.000 Euros per year.
Meanwhile, other communities have already taken the opposite approach.
Iin September 2012, a Community of the Street Perafán of Ribera , in Seville,
has managed to rescind judicially a contract of lease to an operator of mobile telephony, 0:22:53 which they were receiving euros 2,500 quarterly.
The neighbors have invoked two deaths
and six cases of cancer among 12 families of the building
as motive for the rescission of the contract to what the company was resisting.
Neighbors from Molinos’s neighborhood, (Mataró ,Barcelona , Spain) Yes, in this neighborhood, for example, a large percentage of people who are suffering from cancer
and who have just died of cancer. Not only this quarter.
Well , the whole Mataró is affected,
but here mainly , we have this huge piece of antenna that attaches to the other one that there is in the street above.
In my case ,I do not have it , but I have a neighbor who is now suffering a lot: Another who died last 4 or 5 months;
children who have suffered it lately
and many, many patients that have been declared with cancer,
but many, eh. I am not joking !
OFF 4 Associations of parents are starting denouncing that the children are much more vulnerable to these radiations that the adults.
theirs crania are still very thin and theirs nervous system is in development.
They are mobilized to prevent that ,at least, at the schools, they are not irradiated
Alicia Europe is constantly telling us that we have to be on the alert as this can be very dangerous for our children.
For the health of our children.
going to different departments here of the Basque Government
So we have been very active one year
to request them to change of what is wireless system to connection by cable
which, a today, is the only one that is proven to be innocuous for health .
Either in a short, medium and long-term.
Listening to doctors, doctors like Fernández-Solà of the Hospital Clinic of Barcelona, then,
he is telling that children begin very early that if
with fatigue, that if with irritability, weariness, they decrease the academic performance.
But of course, then the experts are relating
that, eventually ,can be alterations of hormones, chromosomal
and that eventually ( a very long run ) ,
well, may appear the wonderful, and fantastic cancers, right?
Then, of course, we continue going deeply. We keep trying,
then, if that can cause all
that, then, please allow us to install cable.
Dr Olea There are very serious and interesting studies on non ionizing electromagnetic radiation and leukaemia in children
realized in the last 15-20 years by scientific groups in Canada,
in Sweden, in some European countries
that they have tried to see if groups of population exposed to electrical and
magnetic fields and non ionizing electromagnetic radiation had more risk of developing certain types of diseases.
And there ,the results are very controversial. Ones are associated positively, but other groups do not find
the real association and is always being criticized that one of the big failures
is the wrong measure of the exposure.
Alicia A child from morning that he enters until he goes out in the evening is in the classroom where is already installed the wifi router.
In other words, the center has a main router which is the server to different classrooms that has this(The wifi system).
Then, of course,they tell us nothing happens
and as a guarantee we offer you
what is the certificate of the Engineers' college of Telecommunications
of here of the Basque Country.
And this report says: that during six minutes there are no thermal effects.
But, of course , they themselves say in this report
that this is not a biosanitary guarantee of what can happen,
because they are not qualified
to say if this can provoke something or not.
Dr Olea For non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation we have not got either good measurement systems or good measures of exposure,
we have not even good internal markers of damage or of exposure. Then, we are in our infancy!.
And we can not be so strict because we have not got this measure.
If you do not have the necessary information, you would have to suspect that such information is negative
Alicia And then, they take a band of 6 minutes
when the children, like I have already said before , are receiving 330 minutes of constant bombardments.
Because, in the moment that inside a classroom , they stop working with Internet if at another classroom , they are using it ,
those peaks also are going to be passing the walls,
because this does not remain inside the classroom.
Then, for sure , we have the simile
that we feel that we've placed the children in the microwave that
we have closed the door
and we remain there, and we have left them there, and let’s us see what happens
Montse what we have found is that when you go to a school and want to withdraw wi-fi system
you find that there is a person working in telecommunication that is the computer expert and is connected with wireless companies and then he says it's okay , he explains to the parents that everything is fine
and the children remain irradiated when we know this is devastating for children.
when a school prevents to withdraw the wifi system because there are parents who would remove the wifi system
it is because there is someone who has conflicts of interest.
There are conflicts of interest.
Alicia One has warned to Education of which it can be damaging constitutional rights like being the right to
the physical integrity of our children, the right to the health, the right to develop in a healthy environment.
So, there are many little things we are doing little by little.
Then , we are being cannon fodder to really satisfy one of the predictions of the WHO
that for the 2017 - 2020 , 50% of the population may be electro hyper sensitive at varying degrees
and we question to ourselves : why do we have to make it very easy for them?
Then, of course we are asking for schools must be white areas.
That while it is not known whether this is safe or not 100%,
while a single doubt within the scientific community - Like this –
please, leave school, only install the cable, in order to use only cable.
And ,meanwhile, they can continue as they say from Education,
as our Counselor said to us , Ms. Cela, continue investigating.
So, please, let us apply the precautionary principle, which is:
what is not known whether it is safe or not, is not used until it is proven.
And that's what we're asking for.
Dr Olea On the premises that the European Parliament voted
on the application of the precautionary principle that it must be the light to illuminate any decision.
The development of the precautionary principle bears to act with caution,
That the proof of the demonstration of the innocuousness must relapse on whom propose, 0:29:12 no on the demonstration of the damage on whom suffers it.
Irune The European Environment Agency in 2002 wrote
a special issue of research on the precautionary principle, Lessons,
is titled: Late lessons from early warnings.
That is ; lessons we learned later, although the alerts came on time but we ignored them . Hard lessons,
the lessons of asbestos. the lessons of DDT as benzene,
as lead in gasoline, such as X-rays
OFF 5 There is starting to be studies that they speak also about the affectation to animals and plants.
Apparently, the microwaves act slowly on the soil,
the plants and the water and under their influence the structure of
the organic components disintegrates.
It is possible that nowadays, all the life cycles in the nature
have been already damaged by the technological radiation.
Carlos Rossi Liri, the principal person in charge of the Ornithological research in England, already published,
at least, it does 6 ó 7 years, it is already in my blog, years ago the mention of this,
that 25 % of the Passeriformes, or, the birds of size of the sparrow, they were vanishing in diverse areas,
i.e, in the environment of the antenna of telephony, the 25 %.
Sra. Fernanda-Mataró I had two canaries and the two of them were within the balcony and with the closed crystals
and the two died the same day. I had to lead them to the veterinarian to seeing that it was happening.
So, he says, what a more strange thing. And I say: - What happens is that : I have a big antenna of mobile
and I have them within the balcony
and he says: then, you do not need to tell me any more.
And the two died.
Carlos These studies have been corroborated by the Spanish researchers,
for example: Mr. Balmori, field biologist in Valladolid ,
has already published ,years ago, a few studies on the Big Park, that is the Central urban park that has Valladolid
and the affectation of the birds. Really, there is a loss of biodiversity.
There is a local extinction because there are antennas of telephony.
And it is, at least, for 15 years now, that I am receiving reports of which in a certain German farm,
now, I do not remember the location, congenital malformations appear in the calves,
because they have “planted” an antenna there, to 40-50 meters.
Birds, butterflies, bees. Now, I have a recent article of last week
that the trees make ill in the environment of the wifi.
The wifi is 100 less powerful than the mobile telephony, the output power.
Then, you say: come on , please! Eee, you must be joking!.
There are studies.
OFF 14 The use of the mobile phone has turned into a habitual practice among the citizens of the whole world. 32:15 It has happened to form a part of our commonness, and seems that we could already not survive without it.
In Spain, the figures to December, 2011 were of more than 56 million lines of mobile telephony,
opposite to 47 million inhabitants.
If really it is so highly dangerous its long-term use like everything seems to indicate,
It will not take us too long that we rush into a sanitary catastrophe.
Montse But what it is unheard that your house that is for the rest, it would be to recover
and it's your home sweet home and that should be sacred is not,
because they use your house and your body like a highway
and they are violating your fundamental rights.
they are violating your privacy
Pedro A DIRECT ATTACK ON OUR PRIVACY So with a mobile phone they touch me my neurons.
With a light transformer, they touch me my neurons
and that means we enter enter on the rights and freedoms of persons.
So It is for me, so it is , the total loss of freedom.
The General Law of Telecommunications comes and they declare us electric radio Public Domain ,
i.e , we are like a road, like a beach, like a river: Public Domain!.
Anyone, anyone! with a mobile phone , with this little device ,
which produces electricity , can touch my brain.
For me it is the total loss of freedom.
They are disturbing my own electricity and this nobody can deny it.
That is to say, that the Spanish Parliament has approved a Law that, under my criterion,
violates the article 15 and 18 of the Spanish Constitution.
The Law to my integrity, to which nobody touch me
without my permission, without my assent.
David In fact, there is a judgment of the Superior Court of Justice of Catalonia in 2003 , which is telling us,
at least in my opinion,that our homes end up being in the public domain. That the mobile phone waves
can enter our homes, almost freely.
It was a very clear impact on the right to privacy at our homes
that we do not want to have things we do not want to receive like noise,
smoke or electromagnetic waves, with the right of communication that,
ultimately, it is not a right so fundamental as right to the intimacy. And therefore the public domain ,
yes it ends up being a public domain that can even reach into our homes
in order that people can communicate by mobile phone.
Pedro I am going to make a call. I push here to the button
and we are going to see what happens.I am speaking with a mobile phone and let's see what goes on the other side of the brain.
Here , the mobile phone is emitting and here we have the device, let's see when I move the mobile phone
in my left side,
with this it can fry my brain, as you already see.
Well then , I am put inside a microwave oven
OFF 14 it is little acquaintance that the wireless telephones that we use in the homes also are extremely harmful.
The people do not know it because they see it as fixed telephony, but the danger takes root in that
the base is communicating constantly (it is a receiver|transmitter) with the receiver.
And if there are several receivers in the house, they communicate also with others, emitting radiation.
Irune The problem is that in Germany in 2007, the German government recommended
that wireless systems are not placed in homes to preserve the health of citizens,
the German Department of Health and Switzerland also became aware of the problem. 0:36:12 They invented the first telephone that doesn´t emits constantly, emitting only when you're speaking ,
but most of telephones in the houses, here in Spain, broadcast 24 hours a quantity totally insane.
That is, a dangerous amount of continuously exposed to that.
Alish I lift the wireless (DECT ,Digital Enhanced Cordless Telecommunications), to see what happens with the meter
- 10,11,12,
there we are
OFF 14 The wifi also is a pollution source that comes to add to the previous ones.
Nowadays, all the routers have incorporated wifi , when the option of the cable is so simple and innocuous.
In any case, only one should connect the wifi when the computer is going to be used, and ,always, take offline it at night.
Pedro Now we are measuring what emits this wifi antenna and here one sees , right? .
It is not constantly, it is changing. Here one sees like the peaks rise in red, they are changing, right?
Well then, this is when it is emitting constantly the wifi and now we disconnect
it and it stops emitting
OFF 14 Another risk for the health they are the new fluorescent bulbs, or of low consumption.
From September, 2012 there comes into force the retreat of the market of the incandescent bulbs in the whole European Union,
a gesture, with which one tries to promote the saving of energy.
But ... the fluorescent, "supposedly , ecological" bulbs, they carry serious risks for the health that it is necessary to know.
the mercury forms a part of its composition, so if it breaks, it liberates mercury to the environment, highly toxic and dangerous substance.
In addition, like any fluorescent other one, carry within its interior the reactance (or transformer) ,
which generates an electromagnetic field around it.
This did not happen with the incandescent bulbs of the whole life. 0:38:21 Carlos This type of light bulb incorporates the reactance within its bushing that it is the threaded type.
Alish: the energy-saving bulbs ones aren’t they, aren’t they …
Requejo: There are of two types with the reactance within its base which are the threaded type
and the bayonet ones: the reactance is independent, so that I can put it far away from people...
The problem is when the bulb lamp is near my head.
Some say that this will be the end of the world. This is ,obviously, an exaggeration, I mean, when all light bulbs will become in energy-saving bulbs
Alish: How that is going to be the end of the world? In what sense? What do you mean ? Yes, in the sense, which at your house you will have up 40 magnetic new fields ,
from 40 light bulbs, that before did not exist
OFF 14 Our homes, in these moments, are full of pollutant sources.
Any small domestic appliance emits an electromagnetic field that affects us.
Each of them separately would not be dangerous it.
The problem is the sum of all of them.
Carlos These lamps are halogen lighting, and work to 12 V.
They need to transform the current of 220 V. to 12 V., it needs another transformer
and this should not be near the head of the bed of the persons.
The problem is that we have a dozen of devices that need a supply of low tension.
When we make a house properly, from zero, which we do is that we put a net of low tension 0:39:47 for all these devices. We feed 12 V. directly
and this transformer, the bigger one, it is located where the electrical picture, where it does not bother anybody.
All these equipments work to low voltage, carry within its interior a transformer.
For example, this is a problem when it is in the room of a child.
A teen boy, for example, that he is listening to music ,that he has his equipment and such and he has it in the head of the bed
He can have a problem, only for this.
The problem of the portable one is that we have the whole unit of process here within.
We have the feeding source, and then transformer, the engine of the disc, the engine of the ventilator, the engine of the DVD, all of them here.
They are generating fields within hand's reach. It does not happen with a computer of on table that the keyboard is separated it
and these things are put there on the ground or in a separated corner.
Then, as you can see the TV, it is a great source of electrical field.
Here , the plugs and the lamp are affecting to you.
The problem of the electrical field is that it is permanent.
Because , look, now ,switch off the TV
and the field is still equal
and if we switch offt he lamp the field is still equal,
while beech tension in the plug there is an electromagnetic field.
But, you see, another problem which we realize it is that we have plasticized everything.
Nowadays , everything is plastic, the paintings, the furniture, everything.
After inventing the plastic paintings we have more problems. There is no pore, right?
It is not breathable and in addition it emits toxic substances to chemical level and in addition it is insulating electrically.
That is , if I am here, now I have an electromagnetic field area.
If this was a farmhouse with panels of adobe,
the electricity will go to land
because it is a conductive material.
Due that is an insulating material it does not go to land and the house is more loaded
and I am more loaded and the air is loaded.
However, if I have here natural painting, of lime,
of that one that my father was using, for example,
now they are those of luxury, now they are the most expensive.
The problem is this that of course that is giving electromagnetic field.
And, then , which is the problem?
It is that I have it in the whole places around me ,
there is no place where my nervous system, my heart is able to rest.
Then, I am in permanent stress.
So, you are without realizing it that you are climbing mountains the whole day
and the whole night. Because this one is the problem , the night.
All right! , then my goodness!
Pedro Reports. The report is the opinion of a few researchers that someone pays the investigation to them.
First, at the moment, all the reports do not certify absolutely anything.
Two: Nobody is played the role responsible for the consequences of this report.
There are teams, the pollutant companies, they have teams that are issuing constantly the information.
Information, I would not say falsely, but this is not veraciously either.
Therefore, hiding, a lot of of this information.
Dr Olea How is it possible that a technician, engineer comes to give me explanations of which it is the risk for the health?
It happens to me constant with telephony, with electromagnetic radiation, with non-ionising radiation .
All the reports and everything what I read is signed by engineers,
by technical personnel of big companies. And I say: - where are the clinical trainers ?
Where are my friends the epidemiologists and the common clinical trainers (Translator's Note: the rank and file ones) ? Where are the doctors?
Where is the information that is the habitual form where I have learned to see which is
the risk of the ionizing electromagnetic radiation or of the chemical compounds?
They are left out ! They are absent! And, well, whereas the information comes from someone who has not prepared himself for this, so, I will say:
- No, you are not the person who has to say it to me.
Because this I say it to you and I say it to all: 0:43:52 it is not a system, it is not a game of democracy of votes for and of votes in against.
Whereas there is an alone opinion of an alone expert who says that it is a risk,
you have to demonstrate to me that I am wrong.
It is not a question in favor for 30 and 70 against .
Whereas , one only is not sure you have to convince me
and show to the society which I represent,
because it is paying me, that it is innocuous.
Irune "The industry of concealment and doubt`s fabrication which nowadays is an industry that directly interferes
in creating piles of scientific reports
to dilute the effect of scientific studies that had pointed the harmful effects.
We all know, specially me as a sociologist , the first thing I learned in statistics classes is that,
with the statistics, properly handled, they can lie so wonderfully …..
And then, of course, if a study
is designed not to see, not to found,
to get no results, this is exactly what you get ,,,,,,,no results.
And it turns out that today are meta analysis !:
Within those 10,000 studies that have been published,
meta-analysis are done on that 20 % , 30% percentage…about the reports that conclude "Well, here, we see nothing !!!!!".
And if you act like Devra Davis advise ….-.ok , , follow the money trail.!
So we follow the money trail paying attention at the funding of these studies.
And you discover that 99% of these studies are funded
or co-financed by the industry itself, or at least have taken part in the decision
(because these studies are presented before being published to the industry and are changed if necessary , and such),
the 99% of these studies found no adverse effects,
meanwhile 99% of the independent studies do find adverse effects:
of one kind or another ,acting in different ways ,
cardiovascular effects , neurological, effects , cancer .... Whatever, you see??
Meta-analyzes are currently been made ; since 2007 we´ve got Huss´s;
there is another very important from an Italian , Levis; another very important from a group of Americans and Koreans,
Yang & Myung from November 20th 2009 ,
Levis´report came out in 2010, though it was already circulating before publication and Huss´s, 2007, in which he says :
- what scientific controversy are we talking about ? Where is the scientific controversy? "
When we examine the major studies , the main published ones ,
we see that those who are paid by the industry are not finding adverse effects, and
those who are not paid by the industry, do find them.
OFF 6 The project REFLEX was a study financed by the European Union that lasted four years,
and in that there took part groups of researchers of seven countries.
The Spanish team was directed by Angeles Trillo , of Bioelectromagnetic's service of the Hospital Ramon and Cajal of Madrid.
The initial conclusion corroborated that the exposure below limits that are considered to be innocuous provokes cellular modifications and in the DNA.
Yet , the European Union decided not to continue financing it.
Irune When they started out preliminary studies and that led very clearly to demonstrate that radiation breaks DNA links,
then immediately panicked, cut financing and ended the study.
We could see further conclusions drawn from it,
but the study planned until 2010 was stopped in 2004; the REFLEX study;
and still clearly showed those results , and similarly has been shown after 2004
by other independent researchers without funding, that is ,
paying themselves all laboratory tests and everything else ,
in Rudiger and Kundi, at the University of Vienna ;
this is true, it is proven, it is so confirmed that you can not bring into question
if radiations affect DNA.
Affects DNA links, affects melatonin,
does create stress on proteins in cells said by Columbia University´s researchers,
Professor Martin Blank says:
- Cells respons -, meaning - cells tell what radiation makes our body.
Cells tells us clearly. The simply say ; - that hurts me ,
because they put on alert,
and stress proteins
are generated.
OFF 7 Another very important study was the BIOINITIATIVE REPORT published in 2007.
It is a question of a summary of more than 2.000 scientific studies and than a valuation on behalf of 14 professionals of the public health.
Their principal conclusion was that the procedure that limit the safety levels in almost all the countries of the world,
seem to be thousands of too permissive and indulgent times.
Irune Therefore scientists conclude that we are in an extreme situation
of serious risk that urgent actions must be taken , there is affectation,
the mechanisms of action have been clearly determined,
there is affectation of the melatonin of the brain,
affectation to cell membranes,
and with 100% evidence, there is DNA linking breakage
OFF 8 With the conclusions to which the Bioinitiative Report reached
there is already very few doubt that the exposure to low frequencies causes infantile leukaemia,
or of that the electromagnetic fields emitted by the mobile phones
concern the electrical activity of the brain.
And there is specially worrying the relation of these fields and radiations with the DNA and the cellular growth.
Because now, already it is known that it is not the energy or the warming the key factors of the reason of damage, as it was believed before.
It is the simple exposure what unleashes in the cells the proteins of stress.
In the same way, that the exposure to chemical toxic products can damage, destroy cells
and to provoke diseases.
Irune There are more than 10,000 scientific articles published on these issues;
the health effects of electromagnetic radiation,
even though 80% of these items show negative effects on health
no one wants to hear .
So, our authorities here do not listen.
OFF 9 Unfortunately, in the appraisal of what is a permissible risk or what is a proof of damage,
influences more the point of view of the industry than the point of view of the experts in public health.
That is to say, all the "experts" speak essentially about the same scientific studies, but they use different ways of interpreting them.
Why are listened more those who believe that it is not necessary to raise new limits?
Sadly, the public organisms are based more their recommendations on scientists and engineers with commercial interests,
that in the recommendations of the experts
in public health.
Dr. Olea I remember conversations and discussions in Brussels, when I was representing the Spanish Government, until already I got tired,
because that one did not make sense . that the person who convincingly and with the whole gravity was defending something,
was a newcomer.
One had joined to this company to defend its product after having been 30 years directing an airline.
And one was defending the arguments as if it was the one's life , of the innocuousness of certain compound
when, actually, one did not have any experience in the topic.
But , he was with the one I had that, theoretically, I am going to say in this way: represent
on behalf of the political authority the forum of discussion.
Until I would understand it and I would tell him : No, man. Or you send me who has done this kind of analysis
or I do not argue with you that you were selling cars last year
what is the severity of the problem.
Irune So what happens? We´ve got very powerful industries behind it .The radio communications industry
and also military interests. Western interests (contrary to what happens in Russia ) that didn’t want
to let know the fact that the radar was very dangerous , which has led to the need to protect
those who manipulate radars, sailors, etc,
from those radiations
because all this people were sick with leukemia, brain tumors, chronic fatigue, electro sensitivity symptoms .
They were not interested because it was the end of the Cold War and had to deployed and deployed regardless harm on troops and rest of workforce.
IBM began as a military industry, Motorola began as a defense industry, Boeing …,
well, the military remains the same.
Both , industry and the military-industrial complex had a very strong interest
so didn´t worry about
the problem of radar and then hid all that.
Several reports came to light showing adverse effects . Then they gave a warning to the investigators… …
-if you continue saying that , you will pay for that , well, I do not speak lightly,
it is published
in two books: "The real story on cancer war ” ,
and other book called “Disconnect”
by Deborah Davis .
Irune Then microwave ovens were invented. In the beginning were called radar ovens . because they were using radar technology
since the military , in his experiments with radar realized that the
chocolates are melted in his pocket
when they were standing close. -Well, it warms, let´s use it as an oven! .
First, they were huge ovens for institutions and then they put them in homes.
They insisted again and again saying that nothing happens ,
radiations does not escape the container of microwaves …
you can track ads to see that were called radar ovens .
But then they realized, as they have a very advanced marketing,
that radar ovens sounds badly, it sounds military, aggressive so changed the name.
And they put microwave ovens.
This sounds great, are microwave, are micro , are small…..
so, I can put it at home. That sounds innocuous.
And so, people have been having microwave ovens at home,
most of them leaking radiation when you don´t know and you stand close to it while being used,
radiating at high levels.
Irune . All this disinformation industry hiding people the consequences,
only thinking about benefits
for that military technology invented and creating the market
as if it were an innocuous business ,,,
this has been happening since the 40s and there has been a systematic persecution of honest scientists
who have tried to say we shouldn´t continue this way , this is serious .
Their names , Dr. H. Lai and Dr. N.P. Singh, many of them lost their jobs,
lost money in research and were marginalized because they dared to say that this affects chromosomes,
and that was already known in the 50s.
OFF 10 The current limits of exhibition are based on the supposition of which the warming of the tissues
is the only thing that matters when the organisms are exposed to radio frequencies or to electromagnetic fields.
But in the last decades, it has been found, beyond any reasonable doubt, that the biological effects are happening to lower enough levels of exposure,
in which one does not produce ,by no means ,heat or induced currents.
The reports are accumulated and the scientific evidence is sufficient in order to be adopted regulatory measures much more strict than till now.
Though it looks like a lie, many devices that work with wireless technology
continue being exempt from regulatory procedure and the only thing that the Governments are issuing
they are recommendations …
Dr Olea Imagine that we give a simple recommendation limiting the consumption of certain products
because we have them under suspicion. In the hypothetical case of which we were mistaken,
the only damage would have been that someone stops earning a small amount of money
and if we are in the certain thing. Then, probably, one would benefit the health of many people.
We will never know it.
At the time , we do these recommendations to individual level.
My workgroup strengthened in the scientific publications that are carried out ,
it gives recommendations to the the Administration that it would have to assume like own.
And the Administration doubts, raises it, relativizes it,
puts it in its list of recommendations,
it puts in the level that they believe that it fits for, in this moment, to give this information
and ultimately to be diluted in minds more illustrious and more intelligent that they know the
reality of form more global.
They say.
Do I explain myself ...?
OFF 16 The limits of exposure that recommend the scientific studies nothing have to see with the legal maximums of emission established,
which have not been modified in Spain from the year 2001.
In the recommendations of Salzburg of the year 2000 already there was established a maximum of 0,6 Volts per meter for exteriors
and 0,1 for interiors.
Limit that was confirming by the BioInitiative Report in 2007 and the Council of Europe which ratified in 2011,
with the intention of reducing 0,2 Volts per metre
in the medium term.
David It is a complicated topic because there are many studies they are contradictory or theoretically contradictory.
Actually, I believe, that they are theoretically contradictory because those who exist , they are ,to my to deal good ,
they are very clear. A very clear recommendation that comes from studies as that
of Salzburg they establish the limit of 0,6 V/m,
which also is discussed now if it is sufficient or not,
but, well, it is a limit let's say it seems to be that reasonable.
The regulation that we have in Catalonia is very permissive in relation to this limit,
but, then, we are going to have to concentrate on Spain.
In what it is the regulation for the State that is the double of permissive that the Catalan one,
that is to say, it is enough more raised of 0,6 V/m that they are recommending us.
Only Castile-La Mancha is a Community that has implanted this limit of 0,6 V/m.
It is as a bit strangly that a Community only is the one that has applied this
and the rest of Communities have not applied
the same criterion.
OFF 16 The legal limits, therefore, are antiquated and very far from protecting our health.
Especially, when in October, 2012, has been already inaugurated the 4 th generation of mobiles ,
with major speed of access to any content,
which implies ,also ,major exposure ( though it is not said).
This enormous imbalance , disparity with the reality
protecting the companies.
David If the law allows a limit and they are for below, they are acting of conformity to the legality and that is indisputable.
This it is the problem. It is as if in a highway they were allowing us to go to 550 Km/h .
In a highway I would circulate 320 Km/h fulfilling the legality,
but I would not go very surely
and probably I would be affecting, a bit, the safety of the traffic of the rest of persons who are circulating along this route.
Then, I believe, that it is necessary to reduce
these limits.
OFF 16 What it is clear, is that this technology is not biocompatible,
and that have been stated harmful effects to the health from 0,04 Volts / meter.
The only sure dose, until the opposite is demonstrated, it is of ZERO
Irune And what is most striking for us about all this is that we are in this sense being absolutely third-world , reluctant to implement the recommendations and standards that are being applied in other European countries.
Carlos In Spain we are deaf ears to the appeals of the European Parliament
and three times makes a requisition to the Spanish Government t
to bring its legislation on electric fields
to protect people
and the government has spent 12 years ignoring these recommendations.
Many countries such as Sweden, Switzerland, Italy or Russia
have much more restrictive rules than Spanish ones.
Before we saw that only low frequency fields like electrical network in Switzerland is allowed a maximum of 1 uT (micro tesla)
while here we admit 100 uT (micro tesla).
At radio frequencies, where it finds the mobile, the difference is much greater.
Before we discussed a table and the difference between the highest value allowed by the European Union
and the minimum value recommended by some German experts is more than a million times.
So politicians can not say I did not know it .
They have over 5000 scientific studies on the subject.
So, no more research is needed ,
it is needed preventive policy action.
OFF EUROPEAN LEVELS In some other countries there is more conscience on the topic, and more restrictive new laws have started being applied.
Nonetheless, the disorder on numbers is more than disconcerting.
Meanwhile … the coins are falling down always of the same side …
but … what price will we be paying
for it?
Irune But, not only Israel and not just Germany,
we have Norway, in Sweden there isn´t wifi in schools.
It is recommended not to have these wireless systems in homes.
In the State of Salzburg also recommends it .
And in Austria, in general, there is no wifi in schools.
France is changing all this,
and there are many municipalities that are removing wireless systems .
For example, the libraries of Paris, five or six libraries of Paris had wifi installed
and when they began to realize that workers were hurted, feeling tired,
headache, malaise and sleeping poorly realized that it was the wifi,
and they went to their unions. Their unions were strong enough to push and
removed all wifi facilities and put the cable again.
We are wasting money on a technology that is already decrepit.
They , the advanced countries of Europe do not want that technology
and we are saying that we don´t need cable at all , we connect by air.
Contaminating everything, imposing it everywhere.
For us cable is stupid ,
we leave it for the least developed countries
like Germany, Austria, Norway, Sweden, Israel.
Alicia And we are trying to lobby for reversing Education in this plan and put cable.
That is what is happening in the rest of Europe.
This is what they're doing in France in many of its regions,
is what is being done in many states of Germany,
is what is being done in Switzerland
which is the Swiss government itself which is wiring up the centers.
The Swiss government itself, from its Ministry of Health, in its website,
is warning that this is dangerous.
From Austria where pediatricians tell you if your child attend to a school where there is Wifi ,if you have the possibility change the school your child do it .
So, we do not want to wait.
OFF 11 27 May 2011 The Council of Europe adopted the Résolution 1815 With the following recommendations:
Pay particular attention to electro sensitive persons.
Set preventive thresholds not exceeding 0.6 volts per meter, and in the medium term to reduce it to 0.2 volts per meter.
Develop information campaigns aimed at teachers, parents and children
to alert them to the specific risks of early, ill-considered
and prolonged use of mobiles and other devices emitting microwaves.
the use of mobile phones
by schoolchildren on school premises.
Determine the sites of any new GSM, UMTS, WiFi
or WIMAX antennas
not solely according to the operators’ interests
but in consultation with local and regional government officials, local residents and associations of concerned citizens.
Irune Initially, the wanted to ban it completely. Prohibit all wireless systems.
To ban in schools celular phones, wireless phones and WiFis.
But to get the resolution approved they finally come to the commitment
that, instead of banning it Is……” recommended” ,,, that schools don´t use wireless systems,
mobile phones, and have wired internet access.
They finally put it in that way, you know ? It is very sad
that they haven´t dared to the total ban as recommended by the Commission Huss,
and its initial Resolution.
OFF 12 And finally, also in May, 2011, the WHO,
across the International Agency for the Research of the Cancer,
classifies the radiations of microwave as possibly carcinogenic, level 2B.
by the myth promulgated by the operators
of which these radiations are inoffensive. Irune
After riding all studies they can no longer deny reality .
Responsibilities have been refined among scientists from research committees who were protecting industry interests
Thanks to international organizations and other professionals and, at this time,
no one dares to continue supporting industry interests , and finally,
I have to admit, this is a tremendous success throughout the world movement that has fought desperately
to get a clean committee to evaluate this issue
and then they recognized wireless installations as potential carcinogenic , category 2B.
Irune But now they go for femtocells
which is another kind of router , different from the routers we know,
and that new one would centralize all wireless devices at home
,phone , tv , pc or
any telecommunications system .
So
we have everything arriving home by cable ,
and then , indoors , everything becomes wiresless,
flourishing electro-contamination.
I mean, it's incredible. They call femtocells
and is the new project for the future.
Carlos Let's say that until the year 2000 we might say that this was a homicide.
And this one is the case, for example, of the electrical company Enel, in Italy, which is condemned for homicide at the Supreme Court of Rome
for a few deaths that take place in Rome because of a few lines of high tension.
Today they had been condemned for ***. The difference is the intention or to know that I am damaging.
That one was an involuntary homicide, we can forgive them. But from that, in the year 2000 the World Health Organization (WHO)
declares the electromagnetic potentially carcinogenic fields, the governments have the ethical obligation to protect ourselves from it
and they are not doing it.
Now they already can not say: they are a few radical ecologists who say that this is bad.
It is the WHO that says this.
Pedro There is nobody who is played the responsible role for this type of pollution.
Of the tobacco it is already chased, there are already a few judgments against the tobacco ones.
Against this there is not even an alone insurance policy that insures this mobile against the electromagnetic pollution.
No insurance policy. There is not even an alone insurance policy that insures a transformer
for the electromagnetic pollution.
There is not even an alone insurance policy that insures a line of high tension for damages to third parties
for the electromagnetic pollution.
Pedro What I already do not admit is that my politicians that, even, my Mayor
that I present him this, He avenges me saying nonsense. (he should not bother to come to me with that nonsense).
First, I understand that he is an ignorant in this.
It is necessary to investigate a bit. So, why does not call his technician and he says to him , well, look this and this is what it is happening .
There is an electrical induction in the bodies
of the persons and we are going to reach an agreement.
In fact, there are Mayors that even knowing little about this, they say this is not very good and they are removing antennas.
Pedro Or if not that he could sign and that he will become himself the person in charge of the whole possible damage that might exist
and that he could contribute with an insurance policy and as he is the maximum responsible for the Public Health that exists in his Municipality
that he may bring a Medical certificate signed .
A signed Certificate. No a report, but a Certificate like when I go out of the TIV ( Technical Inspection of Vehicles).
They give me a Certificate that the car can circulate for one more year.
It should be write on a Medical Certificate that the antenna that it has installed in the middle of the village does not damage to anybody.
OFF 15 But ... are the town halls those that have to spend the money of the citizens in doing more studies
or in going to law against their own neighbors affected by the antennas?
Of whom is the responsibility? The activities of the antennas are deprived
and generate many million of Euros to the operators, not to the town halls.
The lack of regulation in this sector, turn to in the nonexistence of a clear and forceful route to go to law against the companies.
And what they make the affected ones, it is to present administrative contentious appeals against the town halls for topics of permissions and licenses.
David Well, the contentious action is a complicated route because it is long, slow .
First, the administrative route has to be opened at the own town hall
that, normally, can finish giving us the reason or not.
And in case that they refuse to give the reason to us , we end in the administrative contentious appeal one.
At an administrative contentious appeal , the town hall has to mention, compulsorily, the interested parties in order that they come to the same one.
And the interested parties are the operators, with that we end up by having two lawyers defending the legality of the antenna.
On the part of the town hall, on the part of the operator. On the other hand, the neighbors only we go with a lawyer .
Then, this is a problem to which it is necessary to add the fact that the municipal technical personnel
and the technical personnel of the operators can end up by acting as experts witnesses in that judgment.
OFF VALLADOLID Nonetheless, the administrative contentious appeals multiply for the whole State and they start giving their fruits.
In June, 2012, the Supreme Court has just admitted in a pioneering judgment, that the antennas of mobile telephony have significant effects
on the health and the environment.
With this judgment, there is annulled the modification of the General Plan of Urban Arrangement of Valladolid that was allowing, up to the moment,
the installation of antennas in buildings of housings of an indiscriminate way.
The Supreme Court gives this way the reason to the Association Vallisoletana of Affected by Antennas of telecommunications and now, in Valladolid,
it is necessary an evaluation of environmental impact before the installation of any antenna.
Not contentment with this, the association has warned to the Town hall that it will denounce it for prevarication
if it does not dismantle the illegal antennas.
David I believe that the town halls have to be ,first of all ,prudent. Then, be demanding.
That is to say, they have to demand to the operator that justifies that what they are going to install
not only fulfills the municipal regulation
and that, therefore, they have to contribute a technical report by an architect that this is going to fulfill with the regulation.
The same as all of us , we must to present it , all of us that we have to built a house or a building.
Because, whether we like it or not it is a work like if it was a house. It is considered like that legally.
And then, in addition, another added problem is that the town halls since they do not have radiofrequency meters ,they can not measure
if, really, they fulfill or not with the levels of immission that they law allows them.
Therefore, the town halls should have a few meters and a person with aptitude to be going to measure.
That, surely, will be below the levels of the law, but they have to verify it .
They cannot be at the mercy of what a Technical Engineer says to them on behalf of the operator,
because, evidently, he is going to defend the interests of the operator
or he is going to justify that is going to carry out
David And another thing that the Town halls should do, sometimes, is to analyze why the neighbors complain
and have a bit more of tact.
I found some of them , that they do not have anything of tact
and that when in addition you are going to say to them what happens with this topic, they say to you that they already are fulfilling the law.
Everything ends up by adding up and this ends up by being a bit
immoral , isn't it ? .
It has a bit of lack of defending the
really public interests.
Of defending the interests of the citizens that, definitively, it is what it is necessary to defend.
Irune So we are all convinced that the scientific controversy
is just the result, the success of a diligent
manufacturing,
manufacturing of the doubt.
They took advantage from the different opinions , some saying yes and some
saying no , and therefore they continue radiating.
So what do we need to prove it , as human beings and the rests of beings ,
to stop all this ?…..to accumulate dead bodies, increasing the number of affected people
to inflate statistics so much ..it becomes impossible
to governments not to pay attention to this problem
and stop .
Montse We are not against people communicate,
far from it or of the progress
but of the progress that is biocompatible and these technologies
and these technologies as says Barrie Trower, George Carlo, Dr. Olle Johansson
of the Institute Karolinska, Dr. Martin ...
scientists nationwide, also: Dr Emili Mayayo, Claudio Gómez-Perreta whith his Study of the Ñora (Murcia, Spain) ...
Well, These technologies, this technology,
the technology currently used the wireless systems used by mobile telephony is not biocompatible.
These frequencies are not
biocompatible.
Pedro I do not want to be Public Domain. I refuse it . Where is that Right ?
In what country are we? In what world are we? Is this the civilization of the progress? And what is going to happen ?
What is going to spend with 4 th generation
Irune It is totally Kafkaesque, is Kafkaesque.
We just don´t understand why. What do they want to do with us ?
Do they want us to mutate? That ´s probably the truth.
I´m electo sensitive and what we know is we can not live like this.
We feel it in everyday´s life. Scientists have told everyone that this is harmful to everyone,
completely harmful, harmful to the animals, harms the environment, heating the ionosphere,
which warms the planet, we are talking about climate change.
This is a tremendous amount of energy. Right now we
are radiating from the satellites. Then tell us about climate change
telling you the minutes you should spend in shower, and yet, they actually are radiating from satellite
to be within range of wifi. For example, the last satellite just launched the European Union
across the Mediterranean Coast of Africa to the Sahara and even Denmark
and across Europe to get no single corner in the mountains without wireless connection,
So this is totally Kafkaesque and behind it is a very clear interest to create
an absolute dependence on mobiles phones
for internet access.
Montse as Olle Johansson says from Institute, Ph Olle Johansson, del Instituto Karolinska,
the ones that we realize that, we can put a remedy
those who are not aware, a cancer may appear, and they will not be able to do a remedy,
perhaps we will never have a cancer because we are putting remedies
I do not say that I will not have it
butmaybe we will not have it
Irune How many electro hypersensitive may exist in Spain
that do not even know it ? Because, of course, you can have a headache and like us at first ,
well,… I'm getting old. Probably is this .
right , after 30 we start aging so fast …..
So, I take an aspirin, analgesics,
tranquilizers. If I can not sleep I take sleeping pills ,or If I have anxiety because I go to the doctor
to give me antidepressants, anti-whatever .
If your child has trouble concentrating ( ADHD ) they will say - no problem , let´s medicate him.
You see, do we really know the real number of affected by this,
and how many of them could live a normal life if they weren´t exposed to the high levels of radar pollution deployed
everywhere in all areas of society?
In schools, on public transport, at work. In Sweden it is recognized as a disability.
Not as a disease, because there is no cure,
It is not a disease.
Dr Olea The problem of all is that the official mass media and those of mass, those of the majority ,
they are very poor, very ,very poor, very poor mass media.
I do not know how many people read the newspaper, I hope that, every time, less, right?. But even though that the newspaper is very limited
but , at least, contains something. But the big media that is television is an absolutely stupid box.
It is repetitive and on banal subjects, they are completely banal .
We spoke to journalists where we have given to them the names names of chemical compounds
and they have said - no, no, no that can not be mentioned because people do not understand.
How can we mention Bisphenol A, That makes it very uphill for them
and I say back but if they know the alignment of the club of Barça!
Why do they not going to learn the name of Bisphenol A?
if they know lists of names of foreign that are playing in the Spanish football?
Why do they not going to learn names of chemicals
to be able to identify on a label?
Antonio One does not get used it is to be living with the lack of health .With that so low health and with that continued exhaustion
and to the lack of recognition or comprehension of the people. Especially of the sanitary system that has one , I do not know.
It is an exigency that has to recognize us. The one that has to pay us the deterioration to which we have come, right?.Someone has to pay for it .
Not only because of hell we live in today, but the whole process to deterioration that has led us, this imposition, isn't it ? Of tacky technology (“a seedy-looking technology”).
It should not exist at all. That it has not been tested in any way, or well ,it has been. Maybe it has been tested too much . Maybe too much.
And that, well , to make a call that in order the medicine will become global for once and for all. . You see that everything will unify everything.
That it (medicine) should not treat me as parts that I am not a puzzle. I am one.
It (medicine) is the only way that it is able to understand me , in order to go further. Well, that....
Dr Olea I'm very often at the opening act (the first of the speakers) to Congress environmentalists and ecologist farming.
They invite me. I tell them what we do.
I try to explain it , and it is a forum of initiated.
I call the initiates. They are there because they are conscious and my speech only serves to say is that: You see, we were right.
This is ***. Then, They said good bye to me . I get a coffee.
I go and they discuss alternatives for two days to get out of the mud.
And I do not know which ones because I never give them alternatives.
I am not am farmer, nor an engineer, nor ...
I'm a doctor. I just denounce that all that is rotten
Then, the alternatives must be found by technical people.
Pedro First , do not fill the house with gadgets. When they are plugged in, unplug them.
Two, The Wireless emits much more power than a phone mobile and many of the anntenas that we have around us.
The wifis wired. Cable RJ45 , one with a pin ...(the connection plug with a pin)
Montse And it is so easy as to install, instead, an optical fiber.
Inform all the neighbors, to all the Neighbors' Communities
that they should extinguish the wifis, that they must use the cable instead of the mobile phone.
And to use it in emergencies only .
That at the colleges , it must be put cable.
That at the libraries, it must be put cable.
But if it does not been reported
and it is not known from the primary attention…
Dr Olea the clinical doctors we have to incorporate, willy-nilly (necessarily, without another choice) , a discourse of prevention, of lifestyle changes. (against all odd)
Antonio I believe , that ours situation would have remedy if they could obtain for us a place where there was a zero radiation .
Where we might recover the health
and this everything should be subsidized.
Also, I think that we should be paid for the deterioration to which it has led us all these years
and the isolation
and the silence, the operators should indemnify us
and the governments that not, I want to say, that they have ignored us and the problem . Or they have looked next to the operators only
and the economic interest
And they have isolated us, Don’t you think?
Pedro The solution is that we would have to sit down in the same table politicians, companies,
technical personnel in health and pollution and in electricity and radio electricity
and the citizens . That nobody consulted us.
David I believe that a possible solution would be to create a net of technical personnel, specialists in urbanism and environment
in order that they could issue painstaking reports and help the neighbors when they raise at court
and by a reasonable cost for the neighbor
Dr Olea The people, we, all must take part what is what we want
and we have to know which are the options to choose an option or other one.
The principle of decision must be democratic.
Irune There are other budding technologies that already there is talk in Europe
that could be by means of light and are already being experienced,
now at an experimental level,
which are not going to see the light
if these industries are only interested
in current benefits
without concern for public health.
Something really has to be done for our government to stop this , saying no.
Pedro From more or less groups who are aware of it , we are speaking about cities in transition, of ecological cities,
of bio-construction , of social organizations
that do not have these risks
or that are minimized and, at least, to warn that they exist and in order we can avoid them.
If we take these precautions, if we are aware of all the devices that we have at home, which are necessary and which not
and we can be aware of it,
we can have the possibility, at least, of solving something.
If we evolve a bit more, if we give the following step and manage to associate, or to go to the residents associations,
we go to the owners' communities, we go to other ecological activist associations ,we can already act
directly against the established public power. Requejo
The anti-antennas platforms , anti such and such, they only limit themselves to hold the administrative contentious route . they do not go through for the penal one (criminal law)
and therefore the guilt of the companies has never been established.
They resort that they do not have permissions, that they do not have.., things of urban development steps, but there has not been implanted
the principle of which the magnetic field kills. Because there has not been brought any lawsuit and this is sad.
We go out to the squares ,but we do not bring lawsuits to Penal Court . We put banners, but we do not bring lawsuits to Penal Court.
David Or even to open another new route that it is to contest these rules to the administrations, to the public powers.
Let us get and let us be brave and let us say : Gentlemen of the Autonomous government of Catalonia we do not agree with this regulation. We are going to contest it.
and we do not agree with this regulation.
We are citizens, an association
Carlos I am speaking with an attorneys' bureau as that of Peter Angelus that they want to become multimillionaires and
we will gain all the lawsuits. I , myself, want 10 % of commission. We will save the life of thousands of persons.
It has not been brought any lawsuit against Iberdrola or against Endesa.
David I believe that the route that it is necessary to explore now, because it is already the time, it is the penal one (criminal law)
Carlos Here's how one plays cards .Against powerful enemies, powerful tools.
It is necessary to use weapons ...
direct to the heart of the company. Thousands of millions. Then the rules will change.