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thank you very much that what is right
int and thank you for joining us
bob concord massachusetts has said that that uh... single serving
polyethylene terror
bailey
plastic bottles are banned
now fail aid sir uh...
category of chemicals that they have come under increasing scrutiny recently
because they seem to
act like estrogen estrogen estrogen memnoch urs this is an you know uh... a
lot of people are concerned that they're responsible for the explosion estrogen
based cancers principally breast by related
exceeded breast ovarian urine
testicular and
but in addition to that
um... the uh... yeah
we use in millions million light eighteen million barrels of oil year to
make all these plastic water bottles just the plastic water bottles
coke on the other hand
has come out with eight corn-based plastic that they use for their deciding
water bottles that is not failing its
uh...
i don't understand your objection to a city a community saying we don't want
you know poisonous in environmentally destructive substances
being sold in our community when there are healthy alternatives
you know i i i'm not sure exactly objection advanced it's more a case of
of looking at what the real science says and whether decision should be based on
on sound science or whether they should be based on on public decision it people
in that community have voted that they don't want single serving plastic water
bottles great more power to them
uh... it just depends on
why they decided to make that decision and
if it was intended to be based on sound science than it was it actually
well uh... yeah i know the game is disputing that our landfills are filling
out that there's a that there is a
uh... at giant circle of plastic of the pacific ocean that's the size of some
small continents it's uh... you know that that is yet
killing offering life
that that these plastics these daily best base plastics last in the food
chain for
for generations of not centuries that the stuff isn't bad stuff and you're
your brenda hope a lot of different subjects everything weaken tackle all
those one by one if you want to
uh... it
i suppose i uh... you know i i thought that you were saying it did well what's
what's the basis of your argument
the concord massachusetts should not
bbn in
single serving plastic water bottles
and uh... i would say it i don't know
the things that i have a problem with our own people
in a very bad science to frighten other people being to adopting their personal
ideology
letter that was the case that happened here there certainly are valid reasons
why we shouldn't be using plastic water bottles
i didn't think of many other top you had its it so it's peace
ridiculously expensive
first of all
of if you just fill up your own reusable container from your tap
you're getting probably better water for free essentially yet back in my mind is
the best reason to if the bail was initiated because people thought that
using the bottles was unhealthy because it impart some sort of toxins to the
person breaking from the that's completely false um... of best what well
i don't know that that was the case i i have
that i have no insight into the into the minds dot blot process
uh... or the arguments that were made in concord messages leading up to this
harder than the old one of the city council people said
air draining arc refers and selling on water back to us
i think i can see that comment on that didn't make much sense to me because i
put out more info from also
church so our you know what plus the level of once it's left me acapella also
it's uh... what what she's pointing out is that it's a scam you know the the the
built
unity tap water for
you know a penny a gallon of you to do you know the chapter you can have it for
a dollar three houses if you buy myself
and that's an absolute valid argument you know i i quit wicked models water in
the back or cars for example if in case
pure somewhere and you get thursday
um... that's that's you know a reason to have a plastic water bottle however
you know he read to hear it arrived at my desk i'm fred people refillable
bottle that i just revoking the bathrooms apple devil right um...
and unscented across it
with a brutal fashion trends ceramic cup that i have to worry about west samantha
aunt another one of their arguments was that they're they're valuable landfills
uh... that's true love
of anything that gets thrown away obviously i'm not going up in recitals
whether switching to abiola plastics
uh... as you can join the exceed a stunt coke
of the sunny
that doesn't necessarily address that problem
bio plastics aren't ap automatically more biodegradable
then petroleum based plastics governors and that they did they degrade in less
than a decade rather than less than a century
but so can petroleum based products we because of certain items as we can add
to them
products that are likely to be uh... that are likely to be put into landfills
are often given avenues to make them more biodegradable
you have a very very hard at
nearly as many different kinds of plastic is our our applications for
plastic literally thousands of cards
and we have so far hundreds of kinds of bio plastics and all of these have
different characteristics is not necessarily a fact
that anyone given by a plastic is going to degrade faster than a petroleum
bloody based plastic
what's
okay so so i guess and maybe we don't have a disagreement here bhai because
minor saying was that you were of the opinions that this community concord
massachusetts
should not have the power to ban these bottles that this was government
mandolin meddling in the economy and it should be simply
you know the decisions of three people and free market
well i think i think it's going to sell a decision ambers
does no doubt about that but if that's what the voters wanted you know that's
what the voters want yeah uh... if it was something that you do something that
was not voted into place by the community they know that we certainly
have that we certainly have a little talk about their
so you're not
you not opposed to principal too
two small d_ democracies actually to the voters saying
yet we'd like to have
social security we'd like to have
blood fewer white plastic water bottles would like to have whatever we think is
a good thing even if you can afford all about
yeah you know it depends on what what what voters can come up with
uh... who knows voters can come up with we have almost silly propositions here
in california that pasa every single year
and uh... and it says some of them are are quite goofy i'm a lot of the times
there based on but from motion of babs science to frighten people went to adopt
in someone's particular viewpoint things out example uh... the that the bad
sciences uh... or any action is economic science the
the big food companies saying that if we had uh... relabel are
foods to indicate whether dot they contain genetically modified organisms
yaar price of voters going to go up
whereas i read that happened to hundreds of changes in labeling requirement over
the last
for decades and none of them have produced increase improved food prices
it i was not a strong arguments that to to have been made that the the basic the
basic case without having to lay off
anti-tumor lap interests wanted to make it more difficult for people to sell
jimbo product
nitro they wanted us to make you know his ear behind summers to decide whether
or not they want to genetically modified organisms and their food
yet and so then they promoted some bass science in order to frighten people and
say gee gee look at something we should
we should worry about my still recall that any of the average i have we ran
some of those ads in this program that any of the as they were put out about
labeling genetic genetically modified organisms
uh... the
the vilified down they instead they simply said
we should be able to make the choice whether we have these things are not in
fact i think that the
anti very deep road she emal label leanna
faction california was being pretty rare hurts
about not taking a position on whether g_m_ was her better good
simply taking the position you should have the right to know if this is in
your food
yet i was simply you know clever overspending of the subject and
you know when i say if i were spending i'd like to know how much so it was in
my food to is that is that
clever spending
well that's that's something that at the national health impact
that that's worth knowing
well i can't buy any do you think g_m_ others don't
budget it though that question is it is very clear that there is no zero product
on the market that have any offices you've
however uh... that's a whole lot of their entire european countries have
disagreed
and again that's based on both of my friends and they have lost a lot of good
scientific are um...
group doctors without brian dunning
step toward don thanks brian