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not this is interesting Greg in Chicago Greg you want to
oppose the minimum wage because you own a small business
I think their poems are the question I have is that I find it appalling that a
third party
less know for what my margins are
how the business structure for proper lost
tell me what I should a somebody because if you still racist
factual you've just increased the product itself in
after those costs add to the consumers wouldn't answer cross key employees more
money
okay well let's let let's then get government
out love your business altogether let's say that anytime you want to enforce a
contract
you're gonna at the paid the thousands of dollars that it costs to run the our
court system
anytime that you want to hire somebody who have who knows how to read and write
you're going to have to reimburse the government you know ten twenty thousand
dollars for their public education
that anytime there let's do away with your limits of liability so that if
if but you know a one-year employees does something
bad or anything happens in your corporation that's bad
you can be personally prosecuted rather than it has to go through the
corporation
and and and let's do away with the limitations of liability
on investment so that if anything goes wrong i mean right now under chronic
recurrent corporate law
the most you can lose is whatever you've invested in your company
let's make it so that you can lose absolutely everything let's just make
this
let's do away with all the benefits that you get as a business owner
so even as as a business owner don't have to give a little bit of a benefit
to one year workers
so you're gonna go about changing all the laws in force that how every time
you make the start no I'm trying to make the point gregg that doing business in
this country is a privilege not a right
it's a privilege that comes with a certain price and that price
is that you conduct your business in a way that at the very least is not
harmful
to your community and I would submit to you that if you are paying people a wage
that is so low
that I have to pay for their food stamps and I have to pay for their house in
and I have to pay for their medicare then you are kit you are you're running
a business along a business model
that is basically parasitic so
the mindset that the tariffs stuff that our government chooses not to enforce
that you've got a good people third world countries I'm EDI
you can we want this forever but the point that I made wise I you know I'm
with you on Matt ironically how that can happen because this is ridiculous said
and the whole point that a third party again because you guys are greater part
is the government out well for the
you are up to Costco Walmart all those guys task was in effect because the
unitary higher weights I understand
right but if you want to make out all these guys then write the law to go
after because you are gonna hurt states are not people
collateral damage with that might shed a net fact that they are you thinking like
I was economic Greg history does not demonstrate that history demonstrates
that every time the minimum wage goes up
that if you have a small bit what what what what kinda business you have
that's not relevant because it's not because my point is minimum wages
subject so you don't have a slight chance because I think most people who
actually own small businesses
understand I just saw of a again why would he said minimum wage for thirty
dollars an hour
because that would be stupid yyyy is no limit to the
17 you you set the minimum wage at
the minimum level love money that is necessary to have
8 a relatively decent stress-free life in America and by stress
stress-free I'm not talking about sit around you know be eaten peeled grapes
are you know what I'm talking about you can I don't depend on how you can speak
like that you can so what a happy medium
we already have I realize all this is a 1968
if the minimum wage was ten dollars intense and it was ten dollars in 17
cents an hour
it worked just a bright line that's Martin
did not in fact compare compare to wait for better price if they kept up with
each other am i agree with you
still be some around the 22 23 hour how much I I actually agree with that but
the reality is that goes back to again cause and effect because our government
cheese
not to enforce certain chair said other restrictions that we have because we
want to be nice to be global
ya ramification house I got nothing to do it be nice main level has to do with
transnational corporations by an offer politicians which takes is backed by
Supreme Court rant
but that's like the one big money out of politics and again
much use the the core promises but you can that's fine but
how much money that Obama spend to get reelected
my point it shouldn't have to be of it shouldn't be hard for others but that
has nothing to do with the minimum wage either re:
are you changing the subject cuz you wanna do you know if
minimum wage should be set by supply and demand that's always work to an extent
there now it's never watched
you know Greg when a minimum wage is set by supply and demand what you get is the
world the Charles Dickens wrote about
you get a very very large working poor class
literally more than ninety percent of all people living right out you know
hanging on by their fingernails
you get and and and and all the things that go along with that crime and
sexually transmitted diseases and child prostitution and everything else
that's what you get back ok and then you get a very small middle class which is
people like you and me you on businesses
and then you and and or and the professional class and you get a very
small ruling elite
and that's it I a tree with the ruling elite but with
without charge or they can purchase it what to do some possibly salsa but if
you're encouraging people to be almost
I think you're making my argument when you increase the minimum wage what you
do is you inject money into the bottom of the system those people have more
money to spend
they spend it and when they spend it they stimulate the economy more people
show up in your business and buy more if your products
you give somebody a quarter in something cross the border and more all you do is
move in my hair
so I guess not a call to get that if that isn't that you know the it this is
this is simple macroeconomic see economies are
are rarely static in in a feudal society
yes an economy in static unless you get the Black Plague but basically you had
you know eight hundred years have static stable
economies in Europe with the exception of the 1300 on the plague
it but but typically economies you know in
in democracies economies are not static economies
you know and and capitalism as ups and downs all a service a
and and and a that the economy is not static and and so the question is
and actually I'm and now I'm going off on a tangent the question is
if somebody is going to do business in america what are the rules to do
business just like if some is gonna play football what are the rules for football
right
and so local you have no is it is it actually care
in football that you can put your elbow into somebody's kidney
no so is it fair in business that you can pay somebody so little money
that in order for them to even if they're working to forty or fifty our
week in order for them to survive
they have to go to the to the taxpayers to get food and shelter
that makes no sense that's a predatory
this is not here is sitting Business Park I'm
our educational system and this country has
failed dismally it changing the subject instant access
but that's where it starts at knows that word starts at Victor
I know yes I in a reagan put bill bennett in charge the education part is
the first time in history at the education part have been led by a guy
was hostile education
our schools have been the centre grading ever since the beginning the reagan
revolution
arm yes but that has nothing to do with the minimum wage you got people with
PHD's
and and master's degrees out there or working in Starbucks
back 901 but and get you got people
worker and and it is it's got nothing to do with education
obtained great thank you for the call right I'm here
but here you just you know if you if you wanna win a minimum wage earners in hand
to say I'll tell you how to do it
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minimum wages been with us since 1936 you wanna win a minimum wage argument
name wanna
year when the minimum wage went up and unemployment