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>> IT'S TIME.
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>> IT'S TIME.
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>> AND NOW IT'S TIME FOR HERMAN
AND SHARRON.
[APPLAUSE]
>> I LOVE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
THIS IS THE DAY I WANT TO SAY TO
YOU HEFTY 53 YEARS.
-- HAPPY 53 YEARS?
>> TOMORROW.
THERE WE ARE.
THERE WE ARE.
THAT'S WHERE WE FIRST MET.
TRINITY COLLEGE.
>> WE COULD'VE SAID OKAY, IT
IS NOT GOING TO WORK.
SEE YOU LATER.
WE COULD'VE SAID IT RIGHT THERE
BUT WE DIDN'T.
>> AND A LITTLE LATER, A
LITTLE LATER -- DAVID MARTIN
BACK THERE HE KNOWS ALL ABOUT
US.
>> LOOK AT THOSE CRAZY HATS ON
THE BRIDESMAIDS.
>> 53 YEARS AGO.
THAT WAS WILLIAMSVILLE NEW YORK.
>> THAT CHURCH IS NO LONGER
THERE.
>> THAT WAS THE RANDALL
MEMORIAL AT THE CHURCH.
WILLIAMSVILLE NEW YORK.
THAT GORGEOUS CHURCH.
LOOK AT THAT BAPTIST BEHIND US.
THAT WAS ALL LIKE PORCELAIN.
IT WAS MAHOGANY ALL THE WAY
AROUND.
HE HAD A GORGEOUS PIPE ORGAN.
>> THAT LITTLE FLOWER GIRL YOU
SEE RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT,
SHE IS MARRIED TO MY BROTHER
NOW.
>> THAT THE LEGAL FOLKS
[LAUGHING]
NO BLOOD THERE.
>> MY BROTHER IS IN THE
AUDIENCE SOMEWHERE, BUT SHE'S
MARRIED TO MY BROTHER DON'T.
>> THEY HAD NO IDEA.
>> THIS HAS BEEN PUTTING UP
WITH ME 53 YEARS THANK YOU'S.
>> EVERY TIME YOU SAY THAT I
FEEL OLDER.
>> QUICKLY EXPLAINED TO THEM
HOW YOU WERE ABLE TO DO THAT.
>> DO THAT, STAY WITH YOU FOR
53 YEARS?
>> THE PROGRAM IS NOT LONG
ENOUGH TO GO INTO THAT.
WE HAVE JUDY SELLS VERY WITH US
TODAY.
SHE IS FOUNDER OF LOCAL
PRESENTATION AIMED MULTIPLE
FACETED ORGANIZATION DEDICATED
TO HELP LEADERS SHARE FAITH MORE
EFFECTIVELY AND SHE'S ALSO A
HOMESCHOOLING MOM.
LISTEN TO THIS WHO VOLUNTEERS ON
HER LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT AS AN
EMT AND FIREFIGHTER SHE ALSO
JUST TOLD ME SHE HELPS OUT ALSO
IN A RETIREMENT HOME IN HER
SPARE TIME.
>> FORTUNATELY SHE WAS NOT
TAKEN OUT.
>> SHE LIVES NEAR MOUNT SAINT
HELENS IN WASHINGTON STATE.
A GORGEOUS GORGEOUS STATE.
>> THAT'S MY FAVORITE.
>> AND WE ARE GOING TO TALK TO
HER ABOUT HER BOOK.
>> AND INTIMATE JOURNAL OF THE
MAS COUNTER.
BEAUTIFUL.
>> RIGHT THERE.
>> THERE SHE IS.
[LAUGHING]
HELLO.
GOOD TO SEE YOU JUDI.
>> CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR
WEDDING ANNIVERSARY IS.
>> WE JUST CELEBRATED 23 YEARS
MY HUSBAND AND I.
>> GOOD FOR YOU.
WE HAVE KIDS OLDER THAN THAT.
>> WE'VE BEEN MARRIED ALL OF
OUR LIVES ACTUALLY.
>> IT'S LIKE WE'VE NEVER KNOWN
THE DAY WE WEREN'T MARRIED
[LAUGHING]
BUT WASHINGTON STATE.
YOU HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THOSE
CASCADE MOUNTAINS.
>> I'M IN SOUTHWEST
WASHINGTON.
I DO LIVE ABOUT 5 MILES AS THE
CROW FLIES FROM THE VOLCANO.
SO THEY SHARE THE THINGS THEY DO
AND WHEN THE EARTH STARTS
GRUMBLING UNDER YOUR FEET YOU
FEEL LIKE MAYBE I SHOULD GET
THOSE THINGS DONE THAT I NEED TO
GET DONE NOW.
>> YOU STILL FEEL IT NOW AND
THEN.
>> I THINK IT WAS 2007 IF I'M
NOT MISTAKEN WHERE IT WOKE UP
FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND
SETTLED BACK DOWN BUT WE ARE ON
THE SOUTH SIDE, THE RECREATIONS
I'D.
>> I HAVE A GREEN STONE.
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THOSE THAT
THEY SELL IN WASHINGTON?
IT'S LIKE EMERALDS.
AND IT CAME FROM THAT EXPLOSION.
>> THAT'S, RIGHT.
THEY MAKE IT RINGS AND ALL KINDS
OF THINGS.
>> I LOVE JEWELRY AND THAT WAS
JUSTICE DONE.
I BOUGHT THE STONE.
YOU KNOW WHAT IS INTERESTING HOW
THEY SAY HOW MANY BILLIONS YEARS
OLD THE PLANET IS AND YET MOUNT
SAINT HELENS IS COMING BACK AND
IF PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW IN ABOUT
ANOTHER 10 YEARS NOBODY WOULD BE
ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO THEM THIS WAS
ALL GONE.
>> YOU HAVE A MINIATURE GRAND
CANYON THAT WAS MADE IN A MATTER
OF SECONDS.
SO THERE IT IS, CUT OUT.
THE LAYERS, THE SEDIMENTATION,
EVERYTHING.
IT IS KIND OF FRUSTRATING WHEN
YOU GO TO THE VISITOR CENTERS
AND YOU HEAR THE STORIES, BUT I
GUESS THEY HAVE TO DO THAT.
>> THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE
TAUGHT.
NO ONE ELSE SAID THERE IS
ANOTHER SIDE TO THE STORY.
>> THERE WAS.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LISTEN.
>> OKAY.
A NICE BOOK.
YOU CAN READ THIS ON THE
AIRPLANE.
ACTUALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE FLOWN
TO WASHINGTON OFTEN.
YOU KNOW WHERE LEAVENWORTH IS?
>> WITH THE LIGHTING OF THE
VILLAGE AND IT'S ONE OF MY
FAVORITE PLACES.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
>> THEY COULD ACTUALLY READ
THROUGH THIS APPLYING TO
LEAVENWORTH.
OR ACTUALLY SEATTLE, SEE TECH.
>> A COUPLE OF TIMES FROM
FLORIDA.
>> SO ACTUALLY LIVE THIS
PARTICULAR -- WHAT MADE YOU
WRITE THIS BECAUSE I READ A LOT
OF BOOKS AND THIS IS NOT THE
NORM.
>> IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT
ISN'T IT.
I WILL TELL YOU WHAT INSPIRED
ME.
I WAS READING THROUGH THE GOSPEL
OF LUKE DURING MY QUIET TIME
WITH THE LORD, EARLY MORNING
TIME.
I CAME ACROSS THAT VERSE 24:27
BEGINNING WITH MOSES AND THE
PROPHETS AND HE REVEALED TO THEM
THE THINGS CONCERNING HIMSELF IN
ALL THE SCRIPTURES.
THAT'S WHAT IT SAID.
SO HE REVEALED IT TO THE TWO
GUYS -- THE TWO DISCIPLES WHEN
HIS UNNAMED AND THE OTHER
[INAUDIBLE].
AND AS I READ THAT I THOUGHT
WHAT COULD THAT CONVERSATION
HAVE BEEN LIKE TO HAVE YOU EVEN
APOLOGETIC, YOU.
TO OPEN THOSE SCRIPTURES ABOUT
YOURSELF ALL THOSE OLD COVENANT
SCRIPTURES OF THE FULFILLMENT.
WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE HAD A
LITTLE BOOKLET INSERT THAT WOULD
BE SO WONDERFUL.
I WOULD LOVE TO READ SOMETHING
LIKE THAT AND THE LORD SPOKE TO
MY HEART AND SAID IT WOULD BE
NICE TO HAVE THAT.
AND I SAID NOT ME LORD, SOMEBODY
ELSE.
YOU WANT ME TO READ A BOOK LIKE
THAT YOU DON'T WANT ME TO WRITE
A BOOK LIKE THAT BECAUSE I DON'T
KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE.
AND BY THE END OF THE DAY I KNEW
THE LORD HAD CONFIRMED TO ME
THAT I WAS TOO INDEED PARKED ON
THE ROAD WITH THE TWO GENTLEMEN.
>> ISN'T THAT A GREAT
EXPERIENCE.
>> TO BE CALLED TO DO
SOMETHING WHERE YOU KNOW YOU ARE
IN OVER YOUR HEAD.
IT'S EVEN BETTER AND YOU HAVE TO
TRUST HIM AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE
PEOPLE SAY YOU DO THIS SO YOU DO
THAT AND IT IS SO FUN TO PUT
YOURSELF IN THOSE SITUATIONS
WHERE YOU ARE IN OVER YOUR HEAD
AND IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE
SAY WHAT IF IT DOESN'T WORK OR
WHAT IF I DON'T FIND A
PUBLISHER.
ALL OF THAT IS UP TO THE LORD.
ALL OF THAT IS UP TO THE LORD.
MY BUSINESS IS WRITING A.
AND STARTING THAT PATH AND SO I
THINK IF WE ARE JUST OBEDIENT TO
TAKE THAT FIRST STEP AND SIT
THERE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS I
THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BE
AMAZED.
>> YOU DEBATED AN ATHEIST, A
MUSLIM ON TV PROGRAMS.
>> YES THAT WAS QUITE A WHILE
AGO.
>> WHAT IS THAT LIKE?
LEE WAS ALSO A FORMER ATHEIST.
THIS BRILLIANT GUY.
>> THE JOURNALIST'S.
>> AND ALL OF THE INTELLECT
AND THE BIBLE CAN'T POSSIBLY BE
RIGHT SO HE STARTED MESSING WITH
THAT.
>> IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE
THE BIDDING OF THAT PROGRAM ARE
JUST TALKING WITH PEOPLE YOU
JUST KIND OF SHOW UP AND BEFORE
YOU SHOW UP YOU MAKE SURE YOU
GET AS EQUIPPED AS YOU CAN END
THE LORD PROVIDES ALL THE
RESOURCES FOR US.
I THINK THERE ARE CHRISTIAN
BOOKSTORES THAT ARE FULL OF
WONDERFUL RESOURCES THAT WE CAN
GET A HOLD UP SO WE REALLY HAVE
NO EXCUSE TO BE ABLE TO
ARTICULATE THAT.
BUT OF COURSE, I WILL ACCEPT AN
OPPORTUNITY WHERE I WILL HAVE A
CHANCE TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO
DON'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH
THE LORD.
AND I REMEMBER THERE WAS A
GENTLEMAN ON A FLIGHT GOING
SOMEWHERE, ONE OF THE PLACES AND
HE WAS AN ATHEIST, AN ENGINEER.
ENGINEERS ARE HARD TO SHARE THE
LORD WITH AND TO GET TO THAT
PLACE BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE
ARE SHARING HARD ISSUES WITH
THEM AND THEY DON'T THINK THAT
WAY SO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW
THEY THINK.
SO I HAD TO PULL UP MY BIBLE AND
SHOW HIM THOSE DIFFERENT
PROPHECIES.
LET HIM READ IT.
TALK TO HIM ABOUT THE
FULFILLMENT.
ONCE HE SAW IT, BY THE END OF
THAT FLIGHT HE WAS A CHANGED
PERSON WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING.
AND THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN ALL THE
TIME WHEN WE ARE SHARING.
>> EXACTLY.
>> DID YOU SENSE THAT THIS IS
SOMETHING I NEED TO DO.
>> AS FAR AS TALKING WITH
PEOPLE?
>> THE HOLY SPIRIT DIRECTED
YOU.
>> I THINK EVERYTHING IS
DIVINE INTERVENTION.
>> LINDA SHE WOULD NOT LEAVE
ANYBODY ALONE AND.
>> WHEN I'M FLYING NOW PEOPLE
PUT IN THE HEADPHONES AND THEY
GET THEIR LAPTOPS AND IT'S
ALMOST LIKE I HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
TO SHARE WITH YOU.
GET OFF OF THAT THING.
IT'S AMAZING.
>> IT'S GETTING HARDER AND
HARDER WITH THE TEXTING AND
EVERYTHING ELSE.
PEOPLE ARE SO ISOLATED AND YET
THEY ARE SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO
YOU.
IT IS A LITTLE TRICKIER RIGHT
NOW.
BUT THE LORD HAS US BEAT PEOPLE
AND THEY ARE SERIOUSLY SEARCHING
AND THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE WHO
JUST WANT TO PLAY INTELLECTUAL
GYMNASTICS WITH YOU AND I DON'T
WORRY ABOUT FOLKS LIKE THAT BUT
YOU CAN TELL WHEN PEOPLE ARE
SERIOUSLY STRUGGLING AND THEY
WANT AN ANSWER TO.
>> DIVINE APPOINTMENT.
>> WE SHOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR
THAT.
>> ISN'T THAT NEED TO KNOW YOU
ARE THERE AT THAT TIME.
>> THAT GOD WOULD USE ME.
NOT A BONE CLOSURE BINDS.
THAT GOD WOULD CHOOSE YOU.
>> YOU HAVE BEEN A CHRISTIAN
BOOKSTORES RIGHT.
>> I HAVE.
>> EVERY KIND OF BOOK.
YOU MENTIONED EVERY KIND OF BOOK
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOUR
DISPOSAL.
WHY WOULD SOMEONE CHOOSE THIS?
>> I THINK -- FIRST OF ALL
LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
THE NATURE OF THE BOOK AND WHAT
IT IS.
A LITTLE BIT MORE.
YES, IT IS A PERSONAL JOURNAL
THE CONVERSATION, AND INTIMATE
JOURNAL OF MAN TOOK ENCOUNTER --
OF THE EMMAUS ENCOUNTER.
>> HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT THERE
WAS A COMMON SET.
>> I JUST KNEW.
I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT
CONVERSATION BEGINNING WITH
MOSES AND THE PROPHETS.
I WONDERED WHAT THAT
CONVERSATION WAS LIKE SO I KNEW
THAT'S THE CONVERSATION I WAS
SUPPOSED TO DO.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO
DO.
YOU HAVE THE UNNAMED DISCIPLE
PERSPECTIVE.
IT IS HIM AND THEN CLEARED THIS
WE KNOW WHO HE IS.
AND THEN OF COARSE THE STRANGER
APPEARED SO YOU HAVE TWO VERY
DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES.
AND I THINK ANYBODY CAN RELATE
TO EITHER ONE OF THESE
GENTLEMEN.
>> YOU JUST HAPPENED TO BE
THERE ON THE SCENE LISTENING TO
THIS CONVERSATION.
>> IT IS HIS JOURNAL SO YOU ARE
IN HIS HEAD.
HE WILL GO BACK IN TIME AND
REMEMBER THINGS AND YOU ARE
READING HIS ACCOUNT AND READING
THIS AS IT UNFOLDS AND YOU ARE
HEARING THE STRANGER WHICH WE
KNOW IS JESUS OPENING THOSE
SCRIPTURES AND THE STRANGER IT
IS GUIDING THEM ALONG TO REVEAL
TO THEM THROUGH MOSES AND THE
PROPHETS THE THINGS CONCERNING
HIMSELF.
HE'S ASKING THEM EXPLAIN WHAT
YOU WITNESS WITH THIS ISSUE WITH
JESUS OF NAZARETH.
SO THEY SHARE DIFFERENT THINGS
THEN THEY WITNESS THINGS THEY
DID NOT UNDERSTAND.
YOU HAVE TWO GENTLEMEN WHO HAD
TO BE HORRIBLY DOWNCAST.
BUT REALLY CONFUSED.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THE BEGINNING OF
THE WEEK EVERYONE IS HAILING HIM
AS KING.
PART OF THIS MOVEMENT.
THIS IS INCREDIBLE HOW EXCITING
THIS IS.
HERE WE ARE THE BRANCHES ARE
GOING DOWN AND HE IS COMING IN
NOT ON A WHITE HORSE BUT ON THE
DONKEY.
AND BECAUSE HE COMES TO
JERUSALEM A WEEK LATER HE IS
CRUCIFIED.
AND NOW NOT ONLY IS HE CRUCIFIED
AND BURIED, BUT NOW WOMEN OF ALL
PEOPLE ARE TELLING THAT THE BODY
IS GONE.
THE BODY IS GONE.
AND SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW.
WE CELEBRATE THE FEAST CALLED
[INAUDIBLE] AND WE HEARD PAUL
MENTIONED HE IS THE FIRST AFTER
THAT FESTIVAL AND THEY ARE
HEADING BACK TO MAS AND THEY ARE
GRAPPLING WHAT ON EARTH WHERE IS
HE.
AND I LOVE OUR LORD'S DRY SENSE
OF HUMOR HOW HE COMES UP AND
WALKS WITH THEM AND THEY ARE
SORT OF LIKE HE IS WALKING WITH
US SO YOU SORT OF HAVE THAT
SENSE OF.
>> IT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU
READ IT THE SPIRIT DID NOT ALLOW
THEM.
>> TO KNOW WHO HE WAS.
WE OFTEN -- HOW DID THEY KNOW
HIM UNTIL YOU READ THAT.
>> THEY ARE PREVENTED FROM
RECOGNIZING HIM AND I'VE BEEN
ASKED AND I WROTE AN ARTICLE
CALLED [INAUDIBLE] AND I WAS
ASKED WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THEY
WERE PREVENTED FROM RECOGNIZING
HIM.
AND MY OWN THOUGHTS I THINK THE
LORD REALLY WANTED THEM AND US
TO TRUST HIS WORD BECAUSE HE
KNEW THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD HAVE.
FIRST HE HAS TO REVEAL HIMSELF
THROUGH THE WORD.
BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE HIS BODY.
WHAT AN EASY THING IF HE WAS
THERE AND WE WOULD LOOK AND SAY
WOW!
HERE HE IS HE HAS RISEN.
FORGET EMMAUS WE ARE GOING TO
JERUSALEM RIGHT NOW AND HERE HE
IS.
THEY HAD TO COME TO KNOW HIM,
REVEAL THESE THINGS THROUGH
SCRIPTURE WHICH IS WHAT HE
SHARED WITH THEM.
THIS IS A TINY BOOK.
IT'S ONLY 90 PAGES.
THERE ARE 81 FOOTNOTES.
OF THOSE 81 ONLY 2 ARE IN
SCRIPTURE REFERENCES AND ALL THE
REST REPRESENT OVER 200 VERSES
OF SCRIPTURE.
SO MOST OF IT IS VERBATIM
SCRIPTURE AS YOU ARE READING IT.
I THINK HE WANTS US TO KNOW HIM
THROUGH HIS WORD.
THAT'S HOW HE WANTS US TO
RECOGNIZE HIM.
BUT YOU ARE THERE IN THAT MOMENT
WHEN HIS EYES ARE OPEN AND HE IS
REVEALED TO THEM AND THAT'S AN
EXCITING MOMENT.
I WAS A MESS OF WRITING IT I
HAVE TO TELL YOU.
WHEN THE AUTHOR IS CRYING YOU
KNOW [LAUGHING]
>> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
AUTHORS THAT TALK ABOUT THEIR
STYLE OF WRITING AND WHAT THEY
WORSE FEELING WHEN THEY WERE
WRITING IT.
-- WHAT THEY WERE FEELING WHEN
THEY WERE WRITING IT.
DID YOU FEEL INSPIRATION
AUTOMATIC WRITING WAS A COMING
AND YOU COULDN'T STOP HOW DID
THAT HAPPEN?
>> IT'S FUNNY.
WHENEVER I AM WRITING I DON'T
KNOW WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY.
AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
A FEW DAYS AGO I WAS AT A
CHRISTIAN BOOKSTORE AND THERE
WERE TWO LADIES TALKING
OVER-THE-COUNTER AND THE LADY
SAID I'M GOING TO START THINKING
ABOUT WRITING A BOOK.
I'M GOING TO START THINKING
ABOUT WRITING A BOOK.
SHE LOOKED LIKE SHE WAS ABOUT IN
HER 50s AND I TURNED AROUND
AND OF COURSE, I BUTTED IN AND I
SAID WHY DON'T YOU JUST START
WRITING.
AND SHE SAID I'M GOING TO.
I'M GOING TO START TO THINK
ABOUT IT.
AND I SAID NO YOU HAVE ALREADY
THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
JUST SHOW UP AND SEES WHAT
HAPPENS.
>> YOU HAVE A GREAT
PERSONALITY TO.
>> WHEN I SHOW UP AND I START
WRITING AND I STRUGGLE AND I
SAVED OR DO I HAVE TO START WHEN
HE WAS BORN AND THE PROPHECIES
CONCERNING HIS BIRTH AND THE
LORD KEPT BRINGING ME BACK TO
THE TEXT.
THAT DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT THE
MESSIAH WOULD SUFFER AND DIE.
AND THAT WINDOW OF HIS SUFFERING
WAS WHAT I NEEDED TO DEAL WITH.
AND REALLY NOT SINCE THE PASSION
OF THE CHRIST HAVE WE HAD
SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MORE
ACCURATELY LOOK AT AND REALLY
SEE.
IN FACT, I THINK HE WOULD SAY
THIS IS THE FOLLOW-UP TO THIS.
IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE
READ THIS BOOK AND SAY I CAN SEE
THIS.
I CAN SEE THIS.
THIS NEEDS TO BE A MOVIE OR
SOMETHING.
WE WILL LET THE LORD TAKE CARE
OF THAT IF THAT'S HIS WILL.
BUT IT BLESSES ME TO KNOW PEOPLE
CAN REALLY ENVISION.
>> EACH OF THESE CHAPTERS OR
WE WOULD CALL THEM HEADINGS.
>> THEY ARE CHAPTER NUMBERS.
BECAUSE SHE WOULD NOT HAVE A
NUMBER IN A JOURNAL.
AND THEY DID A BEAUTIFUL JOB.
THE PUBLISHERS IT'S THE REBIRTH
OF THE PUBLISHER WELL WHEN YOU
READ A BOOK GO WITH YOUR TITLE
LET ALONE HOW IT SHOULD LOOK AND
FEEL.
BUT VERY RUBIN WHO IS THE
PRESIDENT OF THE PUBLISHERS
ASKED ME HE SAID HOW DO YOU SEE
THIS LOOKING?
I SAID I SEE THIS AS A RUSTIC
JOURNAL.
I SEE ON EVEN PAGES, JUST THAT
FIELD.
A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FONT.
JUST SOMETHING THAT LOOKS
OTHERWORLDLY BUT A SIMPLICITY TO
IT AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE
HAVE.
IN THE BACK OF THE BOOK YOU CAN
SEE IT'S THIS PERSONAL NOTE SO
PEOPLE CAN WRITE THEIR OWN
PERSONAL JOURNAL.
>> WHAT WOULD BE THE HARDEST
CHAPTER I SEE CHAPTER, BUT THEY
ARE HEADING SPIRIT WHAT WAS THE
HARDEST ONE WHEN YOU LANDED ON
THAT ONE AND I AM REALLY --
>> AS FAR AS WRITING IT?
--
>> AS FAR AS --
>> THE ONE THAT ISAIAH 53
REALLY GETS ME.
AND AS FAR AS WRITING THAT IT
WAS VERY EMOTIONAL --
>> WERE YOU CRYING?
--
>> I'M A MESS.
OF COURSE.
THE NARRATOR I GUESS YOU WILL
CALL IT, THE UNNAMED DISCIPLE
WHO PERSPECTIVE THE BOOK IS
FROM, HE IS SUDDENLY REALIZING
EVERYTHING.
HE IS KIND OF TYING IT TOGETHER
IN HIS HEAD AND IT HITS HIM
EMOTIONALLY.
AND THE STRANGER TAKES OVER AND
STARTS QUOTING ISAIAH 53
FLAWLESSLY AND HIS REACTION TO
IT BECAUSE IT JUST HITS HIM WHAT
IT IS.
AND THE OTHER IS RIGHT THERE.
AND WHEN I SAY TWO DIFFERENT
PERSONALITIES YOU HAVE THIS
FIERY CLEA PESTO IS THIS
ARGUMENTATIVE AND CHALLENGING
AND YET THE STRANGER AND IT'S
OKAY, AND HE DOES NOT GET THROWN
OFF WHEN THERE IS THAT
BACK-AND-FORTH EXCHANGE.
HE IS NOT FAZED BY IT AND YOU
HAVE THE NARRATOR.
THE UNNAMED DISCIPLE WHO
PERSPECTIVE THIS IS FROM YOU
HAVE HIM KIND OF UNSURE OF
HIMSELF AND YET YOU SEE BY THE
END OF THE BOOK THE NARRATOR
BECOMES A STRONGER PERSON, MORE
CONFIDENT IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT
CAME TO HIS OWN MIND AND YOU SEE
CLEOPAS KIND OF HUMBLED BY
REALIZING WHAT HE MISSED AN
AWFUL LOT.
AND I THINK IT IS GOOD THAT
PEOPLE SEE THAT.
IT IS OKAY, TO GRAPPLE WITH
THINGS.
IT'S OKAY, TO HAVE QUESTIONS.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO SEEK ANSWERS
THAT WILL LEAD YOU TO THE LORD
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE
QUESTIONS, LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS
THAT THEY ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH
AND THEY WANT TO GROW IN THEIR
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD BUT
THEY ARE KIND OF STUCK WITH
DOUBTS AND YET IF WE WERE OUT
THERE TO BE ABLE TO EAT THEM
WITH BELIEVERS HELP THEM WORK
THROUGH THAT.
IT COULD BE A CREATION WHEN WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT OUTSIDE IT
COULD BE A QUESTION LIKE THAT
AND IT COULD BE THE EXISTENCE OF
GOD.
THAT IS A HARD-WON.
>> HE MUST'VE HAD A LOT OF
THIS ON THIS DEBATE WITH THIS
STRUGGLE.
THEY ARE STRUGGLING THE ATHEIST
AND THE MUSLIMS.
>> WITH ALL THE CLASSIC
QUESTIONS AND THE CLASSIC
ACCUSATIONS.
>> HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE
RIGHT?
YOU SAY WE ARE NOT RIPE.
>> THE GREAT THING WE HAVE IS
EVIDENCE.
AND WE CAN GIVE HISTORICAL
EVIDENCE.
WE HAVE ARCHAEOLOGY BACKING US
UP.
WE HAVE HISTORY BACKING US UP.
WE HAVE FULFILLED PROPHECY
BACKING US UP.
WE HAVE THE CHANGED LIVES AND
STILL CHANGED LIVES TODAY.
HOW DO PEOPLE EXPLAIN THAT.
YOU DON'T SEE THAT.
>> [INAUDIBLE]
>> ABSOLUTELY.
AND HE IS NOT IN A TOMB
SOMEWHERE.
THE TOMB IS EMPTY.
SO THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS, BUT
THERE IS EVIDENCE FOR THIS
HISTORICAL RESURRECTION AND THAT
IS WHAT IS EXCITING.
WE CAN STAND ON THESE THINGS AND
SHARE THEM WITH PEOPLE BUT SO
OFTEN WE TAKE OUR BIBLE CLASSES
AND WE HAVE AT THE CHURCH WE
JUST LEARNED SOMETHING ABOUT THE
RESURRECTION AND WE ARE EXCITED
AND CAN'T WAIT TO SHARE.
AND WE GO UP TO SOMEONE WHO WE
KNOW DOES NOT KNOW THE LORD AND
WE SAY LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE
RESURRECTION AND THE PERSON HAS
A GLAZED LOOK ON THEIR FACE.
AND THEY DO BECAUSE WE NEVER
TOOK THEIR TIME TO SAY WHAT IS
IT THAT PRESENTS -- PREVENTS YOU
FROM COMING TO THE LORD OR
BETTER YET WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE.
AND WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE, WHY DO
YOU BELIEVE IT AND HOW DID YOU
ARRIVE AT THAT CONCLUSION.
IT'S SO IMPORTANT SO WHEN WE ASK
THEM WHAT THEY ARE BELIEVING
WHAT THEY ARE SHARING AND WHEN
THEY SAY WHAT THEY BELIEVE WE
HAVE ALL KINDS OF AMMUNITION
ESPECIALLY WITH POSTMODERNISM WE
CAN WORK THROUGH THAT AND SHOW
THEM THE INCONSISTENCIES.
THERE IS NO TRUTH TO WHAT YOU
JUST TOLD ME IS TRUE.
SO WE CAN HELP THEM NOT EVEN
THAT SATAN IS TRUE.
>> HOW DID YOU COME TO KNOW
THE LORD?
>> I HAVE AN INTERESTING
BACKGROUND.
I AM IRISH, HUNGARIAN AND
RUSSIAN.
HALF MY FAMILY IS JEWISH THE
OTHER IS ROMAN CATHOLIC.
I GREW UP IN A BLACK
NEIGHBORHOOD DURING THE 60s
AND 70s RACE RIOTS AND I HAD
NO IDEA THAT ALL THAT FIGHTING
WAS OVER THE COLOR OF SOMEONE'S
SKIN BECAUSE I WILL NEVER
UNDERSTAND THAT AND I STILL
DON'T.
GRATEFULLY.
IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE WHEN ADAM
AND EVE WHAT COLOR WERE THEM
THEY WERE THE COLOR OF THE DUST
SO THERE YOU GO.
>> IT'S HORRIBLE.
IT'S HORRIBLE.
>> WHAT IS WITH THAT.
>> ONE BLOOD.
THERE IS NO -- [OVERLAPPING
SPEAKERS]
>> PULL THAT HATRED OFF.
>> BUT MY DAD WAS PRETTY
CYNICAL GUY.
HE WAS BORN AND RAISED IN
BROOKLYN.
HE GREW UP CATHOLIC.
BUT HE WAS MORE OF SAYING THINGS
LIKE THE FLOOR IS GOD, THE CHAIR
IS GOD, I AM GOD.
I KNEW HE WASN'T.
MY MOM WAS JEWISH AND SHE
CONVERTED TO CATHOLICISM WHEN MY
CHILDREN WERE YOUNGER.
BUT WE WERE REALLY WEANED ON THE
OCCULT.
IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE
IS A BRUCE STRING SONG CALLED
BORN TO RUN AND THERE'S A LINE
IN THERE SAYS MATT EMBER RETOLD
FORTUNES TELL HIM BETTER THAN
THE END MATT EMBER RHEE WAS THE
FORTUNE TELLER MY MOTHER TO GO
TO.
AND WHEN I WAS 16 I GOT MY $5 TO
BE ABLE TO GO TO MATT EMBER READ
THE SAME MATT EMBER RE.
THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES WHEN
PEOPLE DABBLE IN THINGS LIKE
THAT.
SO I WAS VERY CONFUSED AND VERY
CYNICAL AND KIND OF AN ODD
SURROUNDING FAIR AND I HAD A
FRIEND OF MINE WHO KEPT TALKING
ABOUT JESUS AND TALKING ABOUT
JESUS AND IT WAS SHORT LIVED TO
THE WHOLE JIM JONES THING AND I
SAID DON'T DRINK THAT COMMUNION
CUP.
WATCH OUT FOR THE KOOL-AID AND
ALL OF THAT.
SHE SAID WHY DON'T YOU COME TO
CHURCH WITH ME.
AND I DID.
I HEARD A MESSAGE.
I WENT FORWARD BECAUSE I HEARD A
MESSAGE ON FORGIVENESS AND DID I
WANT HEAVEN SO YOU BET YOU.
RAN FORWARD.
WAS BAPTIZED THAT NIGHT.
TWO WEEKS LATER I WAS CONFRONTED
THAT JESUS WAS NOT GOD.
SO I WENT TO THAT PASTOR AND I
SAID HERE'S A QUESTION I DON'T
KNOW IF IT'S IMPORTANT OR NOT
BUT A QUICK THING.
WAS JESUS GOD OR NOT.
AND HIS FACE, THE EXPRESSION
LOOKS LIKE YOURS NOW.
AND HE SAID YES.
WE BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS GOD.
BUT THAT SOUNDED LIKE AN OPINION
DID IN IT.
WE BELIEVE.
SO FOR 10 YEARS I'VE FLOUNDERED
IN MY STEAD FAITH.
>> THAT'S A WAY TO SAY AT.
>> YOU ARE VERY ANALYTICAL.
>> I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
PEOPLE THAT THINK THEY ARE THERE
AND THEY ARE NOT.
AND ONE THING THAT BOTHERED ME
DURING THOSE YEARS AS I FEARED
DEATH.
WHY WOULD I FEAR DEATH IF I WAS
LOVED BY THE LORD?
SHOULDN'T I LOOK FORWARD TO
SEEING HIM FACE TO FACE AS I
LONG FOR HIM.
SO THE HOUND OF HEAVEN WAS AFTER
ME AND WHEN I WAS ABOUT 28 YEARS
OLD I WAS ON THE ROAD AND I WAS
CHANNEL JUMPING AND HEARD SOME
GUY DEBATING A CULTIST AND THAT
WAS DR. WALTER MARTIN AND IT WAS
THE FIRST TIME I EVER HEARD
ANYBODY TALK ABOUT THE DEITY OF
JESUS CHRIST AND GIVE EVIDENCE
FOR THAT.
AND I WENT INTO THAT HOTEL ROOM
BECAUSE AGAIN I WAS IN MORGAN
HILL CALIFORNIA ON THE ROAD.
I GRABBED THAT BIBLE AND I
OPENED I JOHN.
HE SAYS I HAVE COME TO KNOW HIM
BUT DOES NOT KEEP HIS
COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR.
AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.
YOU WANT TO KNOW AND YOU WANT TO
TEST I JOHN FISHER TEST TO SEE
WHERE YOU'RE AT WITH THE LORD.
AND I WAS A LIAR.
THE TRUTH WAS NOT IN ME AND I
WENT ON MY KNEES AND GAVE HIM MY
LIFE AND MY HUSBAND GOT A NEW
LIFE.
AND HE LIKED THE OLD ONE.
BUT HE KNEW IT WAS MUCH BETTER.
>> DID HE GET SAVED.
>> HE HAS A RELATIONSHIP WITH
THE LORD BUT THE NOMINAL
CHRISTIAN KIND OF THING WAS
WHERE I WAS SAD, BUT I KNEW I
WAS LOST.
YOU KNOW WHAT DROVE ME CRAZY,
GOD WOULD ANSWER HIS PRAYERS AND
WHAT IS UP WITH THAT.
THAT WAS SO IRRITATING.
WHY DOESN'T HE LISTEN TO ME.
AND THAT WAS CONVICTING TO ME.
BUT WHAT WAS MISSING WAS GIVING
HIM MY LIFE.
SUCH A DIFFERENCE.
SO I HAVE A REAL HARD FOR PEOPLE
WHO ARE STRUGGLING.
THERE ARE A LOT OF CHRISTIANS
I'VE LED TO THE LORD.
A LOT OF THEM AT CONFERENCES OR
AT LADIES RETREAT.
>> SO CALLED CHRISTIANS THAT
THOUGHT THEY WERE SAVED.
>> BUT THEY KNEW THEY KNEW
SOMETHING IS MISSING AND 90
DURING THOSE 10 YEARS SOMETHING,
BUT I GO TO CHURCH AND I DO THE
BAKE SALES AND DO THE STUFF BUT
SOMETHING IS NOT THERE.
>> GET YOUR COPY THE WEBSITE
HAS BEEN ON ALL DURING THIS
CONVERSATION.
AND YOU WATCHING, DID YOU HEAR
HER TESTIMONY ABOUT HOW SHE
TRUSTED CHRIST?
THAT WAS TALKING TO YOU.
IT IS NOT AN ACCIDENT THAT YOU
SOMEHOW PARKED HERE.
THERE IS A PLACE FOR YOU AND IT
IS IN HIS WILL THAT YOU TRUST
HIM AS LORD AND SAVIOR.