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>> BOTH SANTA FE AND ALBUQUERQUE WILL ELECT
MAYORS THIS FALL. SO FAR, THE CITY DIFFERENT
HAS A VERY CROWDED FIELD, INCLUDING AN OPENLY GAY
HISPANIC CANDIDATE. IN ALBUQUERQUE, INCUMBENT
RICHARD J. BERRY IS FACING TWO CHALLENGERS, ONE FROM
HIS OWN PARTY AND ONE INDEPENDENT, I SUPPOSE.
AND HE HAS COME OUT WITH A NEW VIDEO CRITICIZING HIS
DEMOCRATIC OPPONENT, PETE DINELLI, FOR HIS ROLE IN
HEADING A DEPARTMENT THAT OVERSAW THE SAFE CITY STRIKE
FORCE. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A
COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. NOW, JAVIER, MAYOR BERRY IS
CRITICIZING MR. DINELLI'S ROLE IN THE BAD BEHAVIOR OF
SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE STRIKE FORCE, BUT
MR. DINELLI SAYS, LOOK, HE TRIED TO GET THOSE GUYS
FIRED, AND IT WAS OVERRULED BY THEN POLICE CHIEF RAY
SCHULTZ. AND I HATE TO BE A WISE GUY,
BUT THAT'S EASY TO SAY NOW. YOU KNOW, CHIEF SCHULTZ IS
NOT GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, I REMEMBER THIS.
HE'S MOVED ON, WHO CARES. BUT THE WAY THE MAYOR'S RACE
IN ALBUQUERQUE IS SHAPING UP, AND WE'VE GOT JUST A
LITTLE BIT TO GO HERE, IS ANYTHING SHAPING UP IN YOUR
VIEW FOR PETE DINELLI SPECIFICALLY AS A CHALLENGER
THAT SHOWS HE'S GOT SOMETHING GOING HERE AGAINST
MAYOR BERRY? >> WHAT'S ENCOURAGING, AND
I JUST SAW THIS ON THE NEWS THE OTHER NIGHT, WAS A FACT
CHECK ON THAT PARTICULAR AD BY KOB, AND THAT WAS
ENCOURAGING TO SEE THAT THEY KIND OF TOOK THE PIECE APART
AND DISPUTED SOME OF THE CLAIMS THAT MAYOR BERRY
MADE. I THINK WHAT COULD POSSIBLY
BREAK FOR PETE DINELLI IS THIS LAWSUIT OVER THE MFC'S
AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT CITIZENS UNITED HAVE HAD ON
THE CITY ELECTION, WHICH FOR ME IS DISAPPOINTING THAT BIG
MONEY HAS REACHED THIS FAR DOWN INTO THE CITY.
UNFORTUNATELY IN MY OWN CITY COUNCIL RACE, OUR CITY
COUNCIL DISTRICT, COUNCILOR BENTON IS BEING ATTACKED BY
ONE CONTRIBUTION FROM ONE INDIVIDUAL, $40,000, WHO HAS
PUT THAT MONEY INTO MFC, AND IT'S ALL FOR NEGATIVE
CAMPAIGNING. THE REASON I BRING THAT UP
IS BECAUSE TO HAVE KOB DO THE FACT CHECK, AT LEAST
THERE'S SOME PUSHBACK ON THE McCLUSKEY CROWD THAT'S
BEHIND A LOT OF THESE ADS THAT'S GOING TO HOLD THEM
ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING, AND THE
LIMITLESS SPENDING ON WHAT'S, TO ME, THE INNOCENT
CITY COUNCIL. >> I LIVE IN THAT DISTRICT,
TOO, AND SOMETIMES THAT WALK TO THE MAILBOX CAN BE A
LITTLE DICEY RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING TO STAY ON
ALBUQUERQUE BEFORE WE MOVE TO SANTA FE IN A SECOND, BUT
FOR ALBUQUERQUE AGAIN, I'M INTERESTED IN PETE DINELLI
AS A CHALLENGER. MAYOR BERRY'S NUMBERS LOOK
GOOD, HIS STYLE POINTS SEEM TO WORK WELL FOR THE CITY
RIGHT NOW AND WHERE WE ARE, DEPENDING ON YOUR POINT OF
VIEW, CERTAINLY. BUT WHAT DOES PETE DINELLI
HAVE TO DO TO CRACK THROUGH HERE?
HE SAYS HE'S PRO UNION FOR CITY CONTRACTS, HE HAD THAT
LITTLE TETE-A-TETE THERE WITH NAIOP, AND THAT'S FINE
AND DANDY, BUT HE HASN'T REALLY LAUNCHED ANYTHING OUT
THERE. >> IT'S A REAL CHALLENGE.
I THINK THAT AT THIS POINT, LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS,
THERE'S BEEN ONE POLL THAT'S COME OUT, AND WE'RE STILL
WAITING AT TAPING FOR THE ALBUQUERQUE JOURNAL POLL
NUMBERS TO COME OUT, THAT PUTS MAYOR BERRY WELL AHEAD
OF DINELLI IN THE RACE. I THINK THERE WAS A HOPE
THAT IT WOULD BE CLOSER. >> AT THIS POINT.
>> AT THIS POINT, ESPECIALLY THAT BERRY WOULD
BE BELOW THE 50% MARK, WHICH WOULD HELP TO PUSH TOWARD A
RUNOFF. BECAUSE THIS IS A MAJORITY
DEMOCRAT CITY, IT SHOULD BE THAT DINELLI IS ABLE TO RIDE
THROUGH JUST ON THE NUMBERS, ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS, AND
THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. SO IT SEEMS LIKE HE'S BEEN
RUNNING A STRATEGY THAT'S NOT PLAYING OUT FOR HIM.
HE CONTINUES, AND I THINK THIS IS A SIGN OF HOW
COMPLICATED THE RELATIONSHIPS ARE IN THIS
SITUATION, CHIEF SCHULTZ WHO WAS HERE UNDER THE PREVIOUS
MAYOR, FOR WHOM DINELLI WORKED, IS STILL THERE.
DINELLI IS IN SOME WAYS RUNNING AGAINST THE CHIEF OF
POLICE WITH WHOM HE WORKED UNDER MAYOR CHAVEZ, AND
THEY'RE BOTH NOW RUNNING AGAINST SCHULTZ, THEY'RE
BOTH RUNNING AGAINST SCHULTZ.
MY SUSPICION IS THAT A LARGE PART OF THE VOTING PUBLIC
STILL THINKS THAT SCHULTZ IS CHIEF OF POLICE.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT. >> SO THEY'RE BOTH IN SOME
WAYS RUNNING AGAINST THE CURRENT CHIEF OF POLICE.
SO IT'S A FASCINATING DYNAMIC.
I'M GLAD THAT I'M NOT THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR EITHER
CAMPAIGN. BUT I THINK IT'S A TOUGH
ROAD FOR DINELLI. >> IS HE LEFTY ENOUGH TO
SEPARATE HIMSELF? >> IS HE LEFTY ENOUGH?
FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK SO. >> HE USED TO BE.
>> HE USED TO BE, THAT'S THE REASON I ASKED,
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. >> I DON'T THINK HE'S
RUNNING THAT WAY, AND HE CERTAINLY HASN'T DONE A GOOD
JOB -- HE'S RUNNING POLICE, POLICE, POLICE, POLICE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM PIN BERRY TO THE WALL ON THE FACT THAT
ALBUQUERQUE'S RECOVERY HAS BEEN ABYSMAL.
WE HAVE NOT SEEN A RECOVERY IN JOBS, OUR HOUSING MARKET
SEEMS TO BE SLIDING BACKWARDS, FORECLOSURES ARE
TERRIBLE. I MEAN, ALL OF THESE
MARKERS, AND THE CITIES AROUND US IN OTHER STATES
ARE SURGING AHEAD. >> I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW WE
OPENS HIS MAYORAL THING WITH A SHOT FOR A BIGGER, BETTER
AIRPORT. IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S
NICE, BUT PEOPLE NEED TO EAT OR SOMETHING.
ANYWAY, MOVING TO SANTA FE -- AND HE'LL FIGURE IT
OUT. MOVING TO SANTA FE, WE HAVE
AN OPENLY GAY MAN, FORMER DEMOCRATIC PARTY CHAIR
JAVIER GONZALES. DOES THIS PRESUMABLY MAKE
HIM A FRONTRUNNER IN SANTA FE FOR MAYOR UP THERE, NOT
BEING GAY, I DON'T MEAN THAT, BUT HE'S GOT SOMETHING
GOING. HE'S GOT PARTY BACKING, HE'S
GOT SOME THINGS IN HIS CORNER.
>> CERTAINLY JAVIER HAS NOTORIETY, AND THAT'S NOT
RIGHT WORD BECAUSE THAT CONNOTES NEGATIVE, BUT HE'S
KNOWN BECAUSE OF HIS BEING THE STATE DEMOCRATIC
CHAIRMAN, AND SO HE HAS A LOT OF CONNECTIONS IN THAT
SENSE. HIS COMING OUT AND
ANNOUNCING HE'S GAY I DON'T THINK MATTERS IN THE LEAST.
I WAS DISAGREEING WITH DIANE EARLIER, BECAUSE I DON'T
THINK THIS IS AT ALL SOMETHING -- WHEN WE GET
INTO ISSUES OF *** ORIENTATION, IT'S VERY MUCH
GENERATIONAL. THAT'S WHY THE LEGISLATURE
VOTED AGAINST IT. OLDER LEGISLATORS WEREN'T
COMFORTABLE WITH IT. I DON'T THINK IN SANTA FE IT
WILL MATTER ONE WHIT. >> THAT'S A VERY GOOD
POINT. SANTA FE SEEMS LIKE ON THE
BRINK OF SOME CHANGE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING SEEMS TO BE
MOVING IN ANOTHER DIRECTION HERE, AND SOMETIMES THAT
CALLS OUT FOR NEW LEADERSHIP OF SOME SORT.
YOU KNOW, THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE CLASSES, IT'S
JUST AN OLD STORY THERE. BUT, WOW, IT CAN BE JUST SO
DIFFICULT FOR POOR PEOPLE AND MODERATE WORKING PEOPLE
UP THERE. >> IT'S AN INCREDIBLY
DIFFICULT THING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE
LEGISLATURE DID, AND THIS WAS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF,
AND I DON'T BELIEVE HE WAS -- YES, HE WAS SPEAKER THEN,
SPEAKER LUJAN, IS TRYING TO EQUALIZE THE TAXES, AND THEN
THAT LED TO ALL THE TAX LIGHTNING, WHICH BECAME
ANOTHER NIGHTMARE. BUT THE INTENT WAS GOOD.
I KNOW PROBABLY JAVIER THE BEST OUT OF ALL THOSE
CANDIDATES, HE'S LIKABLE, HE'S SMART, HE'S TALENTED.
AND IN A CITY WITH THE NUMBERS THE WAY THEY ARE, I
THINK THAT HE HAS A VERY VIABLE CHANCE BASED ON JUST
WHAT MILAN SAID, ALL THE CONNECTIONS AND THE
LEADERSHIP HE ALREADY HAS BEHIND HIM.
>> AND A CROWDED FIELD MIGHT HELP HIM A LITTLE BIT
WHEN YOU HAVE NAME RECOGNITION, LIKE YOU'RE
SAYING, NOTORIETY IN THE SAFE WAY.
THAT DOES HELP. BILL DAMES IS UP THERE,
PATTI BUSHEE, SOME FRIENDLIER NAMES, SO YOU'VE
GOT TO BE ABLE TO PUNCH. I HAVE TO HOLD YOU THERE,
JAVIER, FOR A QUICK SECOND, BECAUSE