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Mr. Imran I hate to have to break it to you, but you are an ignorant fool. You are a misogynistic,
ignorant fool. You are a condescending, misogynistic, ignorant fool.
I was not planning on making another video for at least a month, but I cannot keep quiet
when I see this. What got to me and why couldn’t I sort this out with him?
Imran Ibn Mansur doesn’t allow any personal communication with other people and relies
on censorship to keep out the reality he hates so much and is so afraid of - but maybe this
short video will make him pause, switch on his brain and think for just a moment, using
both brain cells.
He reminds me of the children in Africa who were playing car by pushing old tyres along
the roadside and their faces when they saw a real car drive past. Unlike these children
however, who watched with big eyes and followed the car, Mr. Imran runs away and climbs back
into his 7th century bubble, which protects him from the realities of today’s real world.
He promotes a peer of his, DawahFilms, who shares the intellectual restrictions and iERA,
my favourite mental institution.
Why do I call him a misogynistic fool?
the chairperson was a woman
That’s why. The journalist Myriam Francois-Cerrah was
the host and this condescending *** comments this.
Why do I call him a fool?
That’s why.
OK, let’s look at some facts and see what all his "evidences" are worth. The name Adam
appears many times in the translations of the Koran, as the translators have added the
name in brackets when they thought the Koran was referring to Adam. But actually, it’s
only something like 15 or 20 times and not in connection with creation either.
As always, the Koran is vague and ambiguous. It says that like Jesus, Adam was created
from dust. Or it could mean that like Adam, Jesus, was
created from dust. Both versions are grammatically possible.
Eve is not mentioned by name and just appears, without mentioning the process or any details.
Our little Koran scholar errs all the time. Yet wants to teach others. What? His ignorance?
Or maybe that ants can talk to a human? Or, even better, that the moon was split in half
not so long ago?
The Koran does not state where this creation took place, but because the serpent promises
them "a kingdom that never decays" or deteriorates it would seem this was on Earth with the promise
of a better place, heaven. The sentence that says "you will not be thirsty therein or be
hot from the sun" substantiates a location on Earth. Or can a heavenly garden be so close
to our sun that it gets hot there? The Koran does not specify anything and it is only down
to interpretation.
Would you find dust in heaven? They were in an unspecified garden, ate some forbidden
fruit and were told to go down, ie get down on their knees and repent, not being taken
to the place where the snake had promised them. The lying snake.
So what does our Mr. Imran actually have to say?
Well, he refers to Yasir Khadi a lot, a bigot who is obstinately and zealously attached
to his book, a fanatic when it comes to choosing between reality and the Koran and an ignoramus
when it comes to evolution.
The Koran is, according to this guy, incapable of a causal relationship between humans and
apes. He says that a few years ago the Koran could have been interpreted to paint a static,
flat Earth and that this has been - what he calls - adjusted. In a few years he will come
back and say the same about evolution. But for now, he refuses and claims that science
should remain it it’s place, which is outside of religion.
" science has a place"
But hang on a minute. Does science ever mention anyone called Adam? Nope.
Does science make any claims regarding the creation of humans? Nope.
Does science mention any god? Nope. Does science mention a religion? Nope.
So what the fuff is his problem? Why this constant whining about science being so limited
and unable to prove something it is not meant to prove? Why are they so afraid?
Our Mr. Imran is even worse. Much worse. He made a video called: "Richard DORKings helps
prove a Qur'anic miracle", which demonstrates his childish disposition.
He says that he will prove that the Koran is the word of a god - which he does not.
He says he will do this via the God Delusion, which set out to disprove god - which it did
not He says this then proves the existence of
a god - which it does not
In his primitive and childish brain, the fact that life on Earth is dependent on water to
survive is the same as the Koran saying life was created from water.
And then he wants to recruit people to learn how to address "academic and intellectual"
attacks on Islam. From him? Because nature uses the mechanisms of evolution this constitutes
an attack on Islam?
In South Africa we have a saying: if your feet smell and your nose is running - you’re
upside down. Well, there’s something very much upside
down here if nature should adhere to the rules and concepts in a book.
So, let’s start at the beginning of his video which caught my attention, which I initially
laughed off as simply too primitive and it was only when I got pointed at it a 2nd time
and saw how many people are watching this that I decided to address it. Our wannabe
teacher here seems to have returned from the evolution conference organised by Adam Deen.
He seems a bit agitated and fears for the worst if Muslims come across evolution without
any explanation by a theologian.
the Theory of Evolution does NOT only state that living species change over time
And I have some bad news for you: you are a type of ape, just like all other humans.
And no, the Theory of Evolution does not mention Adam. The Theory of Evolution also does not
mention any parents of Adam. If Adam had parents, then this is not the fault of evolution, but
life.
Science is not there to provide only a naturalistic explanation to explain the world. If the evidence
leads to a super-natural being then that is the result. There is no pre-defined goal which
needs to be verified, but the other way around.
When will these simpletons learn this: science is a tool. It is not a worldview or an ideology.
Just like a hammer it has a limited function. Science looks at existing things, it analyses,
probes, measures and describes. It does not address gods or ghosts.
What makes the sky look blue? What causes stars to die? What is hail? What are earthquakes?
Science NEVER asks: what is a god? Science is always looking for more precision and better
explanations. You want to drive the T-model and science enables a car with ESP and 9 airbags.
If science measures the speed of light, does that influence the speed? No.
If science measures the effects of evolution, does that affect evolution? No. So the fact
that humans have developed an explanation called Theory of Evolution does not change
or influence evolution. Evolution does not care what we do when we describe the mechanisms.
Evolution does not care about any Adam in a book.
Evolution took something like 3900million years to come up with humans. Why can’t
you simply say thanks and enjoy your life instead of now complaining and whining over
who did what to whom and when?
If any person wants to believe in a super-natural being, go ahead. Just don’t teach this as
science. Religion works on faith and not facts. Science works on facts and not faith. They
don’t mix. Leave it that way.
The Koran says that it has divine origins. Is there proof for this? No. You can’t even
prove the existence of the divine. So saying that the Koran is of divine origins without
having shown the existence of the divine itself requires faith.
You either accept that or you need to change your interpretation of the book. As Peter
Dirk Uys said: Adapt or Die.
No, sorry, the Koran does not mention Eve or the creation process. There is no mention
of the rib in the Koran. No, there is no crystal clear explanation. Mr. Imran is making this
up.
Does not know the Koran - yet teaches others? Come on man, you need to focus and learn what
is what. There used to be a guy who gave us the most bizarre stories and fairy tales,
but he knew the Koran inside out. Go and learn from Zakir Naik.
"we can prove rationally and logically it is the divine word of Allah"
No, you can’t. If you could there would be no atheists. No, all you have is faith,
not evidence. If the Korean is true you can go and slap the corpse of Reeva Steenkamp
and see if she gets up and points out Oscar Pistorius as her killer. Now THAT would be
impressive. The Koran says in 2:73 you can do that. Demonstrate it. Prove it. Or please
shut up.
No, the Koran never says Earth is round. Not once. And it would be wrong too. It’s spherical.
Does the Koran use spherical? Nope. So stop making stuff up and learn what the Koran says.
No, the Koran does NOT say everything started at one universal point. Stop making stuff
up and learn what the Koran says.
No, Einstein did not "discover" the Big ***, a Catholic did. Oh boy!
Personal advice: if you say the opposite of what iERA and DawahFilms say, you are closer
to the truth.
If a Muslim says that there is proof that all life, especially human life, is created
by a god and this god never makes a mistake, isn’t taking clay and creating conjoined
twins technically a mistake? The Koran claims that Adam, simply meaning "man" is formed
first and then a female, while we know from reality that in biology the female is the
default form and the male develops from the female.
"interpreted the Koran supporting the modern doctrine of human evolution"
Doctrine: system or codification of belief,
He tells us the story of a girl crying because evolution and science relate the facts to
Adam. This is the level of ignorance and misinformation. Instead of having an evolutionary biologist
tell them what the facts are and what this is all about, the ignorant theologians debate
a topic where they have zero knowledge - and get people even more confused. Deplorable.
And sick, if you ask me, it’s like having a meeting to decide what colour to order the
carpet in which matches the drapes and all participants are blind.
Our intellectual featherweight now goes into a rant, slamming all Muslims who try and come
to terms with reality. Mr. Imran, just like iERA, wants to keep the followers of the Koran
dumbed down. He wants others to remain as ignorant and uneducated as he is.
He again fabricates some idiotic claims regarding proof for the origins of the Koran and never
realises that evolution does not encroach on the Koranic narrative at all.
This horrible, little man then utters the 2 sentences which prompted me to make this
video: be careful where you get your knowledge from.
Your kids will end up believing this stuff.
This primitive and despicable being thinks nothing of indoctrinating children with his
nonsense, keeping them back so they can watch with big eyes how reality progresses, leaving
them behind.