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Are there differences between an ape and a woman?
Of course there are differences
That very same things was said, that studies on humans
which take place after the studies on animals
end up with different results
to the ape's? No, that's not true
No, what he says is that
Sorry, who are we talking about?
No, he didn't said that
Let's see... who said that thing about the tail?
A genetist
Full name?
Santos
Doctor Ventura-Juncá this week in the Chamber of Deputies
made a exposition, I had it, and pull out one slide
and he says that yourselves say that the small number of participants
in our study prevents us from making an affirmative statement
on the hypothetical effect of the post-fertilization of the morning-morning-morning-morning-morning-morning-morning-morning-after pill
A study with a larger number of patients is required to prove our hyphotesis that Levonorgestrel has...
... a contraceptive effect when is administered before
That is correct, that study that was published, was made on 99 women, a high number...
You would have said that they were too few
Yeah, well... yes
We have repeated here in Chile, because that study was carried out in Australia
And we have over 400 women at this time, which is a lot
and the results that we have gathered confirms entirely the Australian study
Doctor, as scientifically this would be proved, to the full extent these things can be proved
when using the inductive reasoning, there's always the chance that the 401
woman gave a different result, but that's the way science works
the question would be settled, and there would be nothing else to discuss
however, at least I have received lots of mail from people who want to go to the philosophical angle of this
and I want to take you, even for a little bit, to it
Assuming, then, the following
That if, someday, an abortion takes place because of the pill
and there I want to ask
what does it mean to you, and I have discussed this with some people by email
what does it mean to you this brutal word: abortion
When in this case if fertilization had taken place, we are talking just about a cell
that, I have read, hasn't started Mitosis stage until 3 days after
or that if it has started it we are talking about an organism that you can't see
very small, with 4, 8, 16 or 32 cellular divisions with no shape at all
without structures, without spirit, without mind, without brain, without experience...
a living entity that from whatever point you see it is inferior, a flee, as to say something
the same people that are concerned about organism that has no human qualities at all
and has no problems of the real life, and this is a topic that made you laugh the other day but it didn't make me laugh
Some laughs I think, is to put it out of his importance
No, no, is not putting it out of his importance, because if we are talking about protecting life to that extent,
If there's discussion about the protection of life to the extent of thinking of that microorganism as valuable
it should be much more active in some other points on live, when we are talking about people who walk and use ties.
So, I want to know your criteria on this matter, how much value it has
if fertilization occurs, that embryo. As to make it so important that no public policies can be instaured
by which other wrongs could be avoided, considering abortions that are.. well.. you know the whole deal
well, the hypothesis that this pill prevents the implantation of the embryo
thus, killing the embryo, means that we are talking about a blastocyst, the growth stage where the embryo must implante itself
It gets to this stage of growth and then dies
What is a blastocyst?
A blastocyst is a biological entity composed by 200 cells of which 180 cells
are going to create the placenta
and the other 20 will form the embryo
so, what dies is a handful of 20 cells
is not a baby, is just a lot of cells that don't feel, that don't know they exist, that don't love
Nothing of which caracterises us as people
You just said that life begins at fertilization, and you said that...
no, not life. A new individual starts with fertilization
But Juan Carlos asked about life, when life begins
That's an incorrect question, because life doesn't start
the spermatozoon and the ovule are alive and when they merge a new cell is formed and it keeps living
What starts is a new individual, not life
With fertilization...
And when would you add the surname of 'human' to this individual
He is always human because he has the human genome
but is not a person, that's different
Well, when it begins to be a person?
To be a person yo need to have a central nervous system
you have to know that you exist, have concience, love, feel...
That means.. pretty after you are born
I understand that you are against abortion
Yes, I am
From what point you consider an abortion of a human life
Human life?
it's just... look, for me it's not the same to say biological entity, individual, human being or person
to me, the discussion has to focus on person
because they are who have rights... a handful of cells cannot have rights
Since what stage do you think an abortion is unacceptable?
Abortion is always unacceptable
even in the blastocyst stage, when it's only cells? It's unacceptable
no, no but. What was your...?
When do you believe, let me put it in terms like to see the part more...
What's your definition of abortion? That's the thing
When do you think abortion is a crime?
I think
I think that from some where near the 7th or 8th week, when the CNS starts to work
-Not before? -Not before
-And in what exact moment? -There's no exact moment
I'm sorry
And what if there's need to legislate' the decriminalization of abortion?
There are lots of countries that have done that and have used the 7th, 8th, 12nd week as top
Where would yo put it if you were the one presenting a bill?
On the 8th week I think
Doctor, but
But I'm not really sure, you are making me a question on something I haven't given much thought to
That blastocyst that you called an biological entity is going to, at some point, if the growth continues, become an embryo
That blastocyst can be duplicated identically afterwards?, or if it's aborted can never again get to be something
No, it can't be duplicated
That said, if you interfere with the blastocyst, what you are doing is preventing something unique from being duplicated
yes
-And that doesn't bother you? at all? -Not at all
why not?
No, because it might have turned into a Hitler, or a homeless
Yes, but you don't have
But why is it important if a specific pack of cards never entered the game?