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HARVEY: SO KHLOE KARDASHIAN --
THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY SERIOUS.
LOOK, KHLOE KARDASHIAN IS AFRAID
TO DIVORCE LAMAR ODOM. SHE WANTS
TO, SHE'S AFRAID TO BECAUSE SHE
THINKS -- I'M GOING TO CUT
THROUGH IT -- SHE THINKS HE'S
GOING TO DIE IF SHE LEAVES HIM.
I THINK THAT'S FAIR, RIGHT?
CHARLES: ALSO, THE REASON SHE
WANTS TO DIVORCE HIM IS SHE
FEELS LIKE HE'S GIVING UP.
AS WE TOLD YOU LAST WEEKEND, HE
WAS DRINKING, WENT TO A BAR, WAS
DRINKING.
THEY'VE BEEN BATTLING OVER THIS
BECAUSE KHLOE DOESN'T THINK HE
SHOULD.
HE THINKS HE'S JUST LEADING A
NORMAL LIFE.
HE THINKS HE CAN DRINK CASUALLY
WITHOUT THERE BEING A PROBLEM.
KHLOE DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT BUT
SHE'S STILL THERE BECAUSE SHE'S
WORRIED THAT IT'S GOING TO GET
EVEN WORSE IF SHE WERE TO
ACTUALLY DIVORCE HIM.
HARVEY: THIS IS THE CLASSIC
SAVIOR COMPLEX.
WHERE ONE PERSON THINKS THEY CAN
SAVE THE OTHER PERSON AND THEY
DON'T LEAVE BECAUSE THEY THINK
THE OTHER PERSON IS GOING TO DIE
OR SOMETHING HORRIBLE WILL
HAPPEN SIMILARLY IF THEY LEAVE.
AND IT IS A TERRIBLE REASON FOR
STAYING WITH SOMEBODY AND IT
DOESN'T WORK.
IT DOES THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
IF YOU REMEMBER, KHLOE
KARDASHIAN GAVE LAMAR ODOM AN
ULTIMATUM AFTER HE ALMOST DIED
AT THED BROTHEL AFTER A ***
OVERDOSE AND SAID IF YOU EVER DO
THIS AGAIN, I'M GONE.
SHE DROPPED THE DIVORCE, SAID
I'LL STICK WITH YOU, STAY BY
YOUR SIDE.
WHICH SEEMED WEIRD AT THE TIME.
SHE THEN SAID I'LL STICK BY YOUR
SIDE, DROP TO DIVORCE.
BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT AGAIN.
HE'S DONE IT AGAIN.
SHE'S STILL SAYING I'M NOT GOING
TO DROP THE DIVORCE AND AS A
RESULT SHE'S TAKEN A CONSEQUENCE
AWAY FROM LAMAR ODOM.
CHARLES: RIGHT, IT'S AN EMPTY
THREAT.
DAX: I DON'T BLAME HER FOR BEING
SCARED.
CLEARLY THE GUY HAS SUBSTANCE
ABUSE ISSUES.
IF SHE LEAVES HIM, THERE'S A
GOOD CHANCE HE COULD END UP
RIGHT IN THE HOSPITAL OR DEAD
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, SHE WILL
BLAME HERSELF FOR THE REST OF
HER LIFE.
SHE WILL SAY, I WAS THE REASON
LAMAR DIED.
HARVEY: IF KHLOE KARDASHIAN
STAYS WITH LAMAR UNDER THESE
CIRCUMSTANCES -- I HATE TO SAY
IT, BUT I THINK A LOT OF
PSYCHOLOGISTS WILL TELL YOU
THIS, IT ACTUALLY WILL IMPERIL
HIM.
BECAUSE NOW HE FEELS HE CAN DO
ALL THIS STUFF AND HE'LL NEVER
LEAVE HER.
THAT'S WHAT TOUGH LOVE MEANS.
AS MUCH AS YOU LOVE SOMEBODY,
YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THEM AND LET
THEM HIT ROCK BOTTOM.
DAX: IT'S TOUGH LOVE UNTIL THE
PERSON'S DEAD AND YOU FEEL
RESPONSIBLE.
HARVEY: YOU'RE ASSUMING SHE CAN
SAVE HIM AND SHE CAN'T SAVE HIM.
SHE'S MADE IT CLEAR TO HIM SHE'S
NOT GOING TO LEAVE HIM.
HE KNOWS THAT SO HE CAN
BASICALLY DO DRUGS AND DRINK
WITH IMPUNITY BECAUSE SHE'LL
NEVER LEAVE AND THAT WILL KILL
HIM.
GARY: ON "INTERVENTION" THAT TV
SHOW, THAT'S WHAT THEY ALWAYS
TALK ABOUT.
HARVEY: RIGHT.
GARY: IN THE BACK OF HIS MIND,
HE KNOWS SHE'LL ALWAYS HELP HIM.
CHARLES: IS IT POSSIBLE FROM
LAMAR'S SIDE OF THIS, HE THINKS
HE CAN JUST CASUALLY DRINK AND
IT'S GOING TO BE FINE.
WHAT IF LAMAR CAN CASUALLY
DRINK?
HARVEY: HE CANNOT.
HE CANNOT.
HE CAN'T.
HE'S A HARDCORE ADDICT.
AND ALCOHOL -- DO YOU KNOW WHAT
HAPPEN WHEN SOMEBODY DRINKS
ALCOHOL AND THEY HAVE A
PREDILECTION FOR ***?
THEY DO *** BECAUSE THEY'VE
LOST ALL OF THEIR JUDGMENT.
IF YOU'RE A HARD-CORE ADDICT,
YOU CANNOT DRINK, YOU CANNOT DO
DRUGS.
YOU CAN'T.
CHARLES: WHAT IF THAT
PREDILECTION FOR *** IS
TEMPERED NOW BECAUSE HE ALMOST
DIED.
HARVEY: HE HAS SUBSTANCE
ABUSE --
CHARLES: HE HAD THREE DRINKS AT
A BAR, DON'T SAY HE'S GOING TO
BE AN ALCOHOLIC.
HARVEY: IF KHLOE DIDN'T FEEL
THAT DRINKING WAS A BIG DEAL SHE
WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT
WANTING TO DIVORCE HIM BUT
CAN'T.
SHE KNOWS IT'S A BIG DEAL.
IT'S ADMIRABLE ON A LEVEL, WHAT
SHE'S TRYING TO DO.
CHARLES: YOU THINK THAT
ULTIMATELY THIS IS DOING MORE
HARM?
HARVEY: I DO BECAUSE IT TAKES
CONSEQUENCE AWAY.
AS MUCH AS YOU THINK LAMAR HAS
HIT BOTTOM, MAYBE HE'S GOT TO GO
FURTHER DOWN.
THERE'S ALWAYS PERIL THAT
SOMEBODY COULD DIE.
CHARLES: DON'T YOU THINK WHEN HE
WAS IN THE HOSPITAL NEAR DEATH
THAT KHLOE WASN'T THINKING TO
HERSELF -- OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT
TRUE.
BUT SHE WAS PROBABLY THINKING TO
HERSELF, I HAD SOMETHING TO DO
WITH THIS BECAUSE I PUSHED HIM
AWAY.
I SAID, I'M DONE WITH YOU, I'VE
FILED FOR DIVORCE.
HARVEY: OF COURSE SHE DOES BUT
THAT IS THE SAVIOR COMPLEX WHEN
YOU THINK YOU CAN SAVE SOMEBODY.
THEY HAVE TO WANT TO SAVE
THEMSELVES BEFORE YOU CAN DO
THAT.
YOU CAN'T SAVE THEM BY BEING
THERE.
IF HE THINKS HE CAN KEEP DOING
IT AND YOU NEVER LEAVE.
IT'S BASIC HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY.
IF HE FEELS SHE'S ALWAYS A
SAFETY NET AND HE CAN DO
WHATEVER HE WANTS, HE'S GOING TO
BE MORE PRONE TO GOING BACK TO
ADDICTION.
IT'S JUST THE WAY IT WORKS.
CHARLES: LAWYER AND A DOCTOR.
CALLER: THIS IS WILL FROM TEXAS.
I DEFINITELY AGREEMENT I THINK
SHE IS ENABLING LAMAR.
HE WENT FROM THE BUNNY RANCH TO
THE HOSPITAL BACK TO THE BAR?
COME ON, A GUY HAS SOME ISSUES
FOR SURE, AND SHE'S ENABLING HIM
AND I THINK SHE SHOULD JUST MOVE
ON FOR SURE.
HARVEY: I AGREE WITH YOU, MAN.
CHARLES: EASY FOR US TO SAY.
HARVEY: I DID NOT SAY IT'S EASY.
IT'S THE HARDEST THING IN THE
WORLD TO DO.
PARENTS DO THAT WITH THEIR KIDS,
BY THE WAY, WHERE THEY HAVE TO
CUT THEM OFF.
THAT'S THE TOUGH LOVE PART AND
IT SUCKS.