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back out and fax hot now we've got a little bit about her health care reform
and which direction harry decide to go whether that's a smart move or not win
for the danger of seeing is about our president got both writers
former communications director for senator joe lieberman
former senior advisers wise presidential presidential campaigns of joe lieberman
and also a writer and columnist for forbes
magazine where he's written extreme takeover
washington addition
family by re-enter
calliope a good man how you doing
then thank you bernie
on i would appreciate going on here
well you know that a couple atlanta ready for the cricket bigger update now
many compound fight alright so again of you know
harried push for the public option an air he thinks you might have enough
votes for it and he went and did that
articulate a call to be a criticism of that move of
is that right you do you think that he he might've
made a mistake there
now i know
but my record not meant to be destroyed critical of that move what you try and
put it in a larger political context
which i think
weekend terra cotta culminated on up steady progression of what
the president and uh... leadership in congress have been doing in terms of
their daily activity
strong government agenda
which is help cooked like the debate and i think we're seeing here
that that the democrats
uh... suffering a very kind of traditional liberal agenda and the
republicans in reaction art
kind of a breaking their in error
uh...
you know it
if your government small government whatever you want to call it
obstructionist
uh... man
approach bump and you know what we're seeing i think it's a total parking
gridlock
and ait but i think it would appear
now calculations
for health care
that i don't think uh... leary had any choice but few
i've given what the caucus was given what the best may work
at least chari
uh... and make that work
did the publication of the same i don't think that's neatly into that uh...
equation there because
yes i mean it's a government-run program but
it's not government-subsidized we
people actually pay premiums for and if you're a fiscal conservative according
to congressional budget office is significantly lowers
costs and it lowers the deficit so shouldn't the service the happy without
that
not well
look for this way in a vacuum i think you make at this point and i think it
was just a thought
focus
debate about that they policy idea
in a different byron we might have a different comeback i think you got to
put it in the context
built field the fear-mongering i thought about you know government takeover of
health care
and effectively idon't think
the democrat leadership in congress did a good job in explaining what public
option
and therefore it's been badly caricatured
uh... and blown out of proportion
after that regardless of what is what people perceive it could be it
government-run health care
but dan only isn't that giving in to the fear might bring if you accept that
context and i temperature and say well that i'm not going to do the public
option
is a scary but he did allow government takeover i'm not thinking died and i
wonder
i'm just sort of thing that
uh... man
it between the federal personal view like this doing about that i think
that the impact of this is again it or just in a vacuum i think it would be one
thing but it's a common
they feel that the bailout colonial
for takeover to auto
company to come under the old about mathis in yorkville
the come on the heels of many other government action for a consumer
financial protection agency
fill it but he did
now i understand that but then at they're democrats or absolute unwinnable
spot because
the republicans destroyed economy they handed this mess over they sell by the
way of the big three car companies are bankrupt
wherein massive recession sumbly kalamazoo depression i really believe
that but a massive recession from and good luck okay so now with obama so
still every almost every city comes in the world thinks he should do stimulus
spending all of that particular program i'm not really sure does not think i
could put a lot of those frame
and and and i can't make it that they were absolutely necessary vital topic on
all things work
if you look at the impact
in terms of the perception or the two parties are that kind of like track
deportment legend but then
but no wait a minute though but it hasn't dragged into their extremes
it during the democrats are doing something about this product
no but that's but the democrats business eminently reasonable
the problem is then should mirror prison be dressed to the media corporate
raiders extremes when in fact it's not extreme at all on one side
well i think if you don't want to
arbor say typically mom i
understanding a lot of what
president dot have been absolutely necessary
i'm talking about though the cumulative impact about quickly how it's affected
independent
who you know
really at the start of the lapd airport election and and and there is a natural
wariness among independent in particular
toward
of heavy government intervention and then on top of that
yesterboard the deaf concerns which are growing in the in the polls show that
they are growing
and again you few if u
why do i put a blame game called it a republican for the vocal point a lot of
the deficit at the top that's not the issue except now that we're in this
now that would awareness
and it it
become the big problem
the democrats unfortunately only
that can affect how people view the democrat but danielle icd-9-cm promises
you do and i say look them in something problem perception and that we have to
talk about problem of perception
uh... but so i don't know what you want their residue though in terms of policy
should be do something differently
today not to the public option because of
would be pursued although no one ever made
now i think
i think the problem is
given
all that happened before the run-up to the public option
you know that
i think it would've taken out into win over fickle public it's repeated a much
better education effort and i would like the he
but i think that that i've been for the public oppenheimer but i don't know any
dirt that but they have any ideas he has no roberto
that's a little different because if you say that the other democrats have a
image from in terms of too much government
i hear you are not i'll believe you say that there's a problem with public
perception of the public option well that's every single poll the country
because that's not true the public is very much in favor of the public option
everybody well i think very article portents respect a little bit leaving
kuwait or whatever
or if i go to a congressional pick the public it again
the public optimum thing though it even the concern about the by the government
and how much government action has been taken in the fight the deficit
i really think that
so what would you have done but i mean look you've got the public is that they
were the public option
youth you think it's good you think it's necessary
so what would you have done would you if you were in reply which had a lot more
time educating the public about
uh... how it would work
i think this is a really a leadership failure on the part of the democratic
congress
not sort of i believe that the people at work
and i don't disagree with our public given where we were would you put it on
the bell or no
i think i would like that
exp defeat
the president but with a priority i would like to the president really doubt
that going to go to the american people unfairly
central to lower the cost of health care and you thought would work then i think
the number it would be even better than they are right i think they do i i think
they have to be valid from where they were report could better information
getting out
again i think the unfortunately we start off in a little bit of a old
uh... quite a bit avoided a depth of my point
alright one less than a question of course your for boss became rolled in
this debate when he said
that you'd like to a republican filibuster now in the past seeding we
got quotes today from ninety four when he says
republic filibusters or a nurse and of course you know in for the game fourteen
that said that that they should be used only under extraordinary circumstances
dizzy really help the debate here by joining republicans possibly in killing
health care reform entirely
you know i'm not going there not really the up
that spending way too ingrid dogs with you
of the ob though
welfare michaelpage spectacular but i i disagree with the manager
i t
maude myself might vote against the final bill i don't know i would have to
yet
but quite idle
i would not though i would apple doctor and i think uh...
uh... that other ways the kind of addressed the concerns that he had that
i think a lot of other democrats have about
the pop factor
which i think the real weakness of the two bills that are coming out of out
that they've built to adopt to contain costs
and because of political confessions that yeah i'd absolutely agree with that
too so
of final political question freezes with your receipt of political adviser
if he would do is republic will buster and fills health care reform i don't
honestly see playing out that way but if it does happen that we need delivers on
this thread
it e dot on connecticut i mean can he will recover from that
i don't think that were that that will
to him and i mean you know
ait i tend to think that
heat there's no way to a democratic nomination
in connecticut
they're just too much bad blood among democrats in the state he would have to
run as an independent and that kate
uh... then will this
quarter more pending out by the people but
i don't want to be a larger point though about
up a filibuster
i think one thing that the breadth and depth any secured should uh...
they reminded thank you dot i had a feel either
anger toward them
you're not the only one that would vote against
the bill
and interest in a filibuster average right now the only one talking about it
and while you can see why dot although i don't doubt that have
nobody used to have you can see how that would draw the attention of with his
lawyers are going to happen right but i think people need to understand but much
of the whitewater here
several other
moderate democrat will very uncomfortable with the bill with the
public option or the villain perform well then
you like to political
well like i said it's a student of negotiations the left of the white house
and if that's the case my guess is that and uh... progressive general also be
focused on them and in my opinion rightfully so
soviet it may well be but i i kinda think that they are going to be a copper
wire
the capital committee up what they'll vote for them
did you know they were going to also be a panic in the builder heating bills of
abilities of the white house uses joe lieberman's cover to go back to the
trigger
if you're asking my ite
i tend to think that would be no formal public option in the final bill
identified tonight hike
abducting apt would not but i can you think you know where the votes are
they're going to have to take it out
now arrived at the results that we're going to account for the president the
win over the progress of caught her her how you better believe it but yeah i
know i understand that
let liz if there is no bubbling out in the final bill
as there's going to be help
to catch and somebody's gonna catch that
bike a lot of people might acted
lieberman would definitely catch it ano baba my captured so
i would call me i think you know i i i think america quicker melbourne prairie
people but i i can't believe that
appel about public updated
it we got ought united letter the other top really important
it looked up or digital cost estimate there's no cost compared containment and
that would be appalled faster that
i agree with that that would be adapted well but
yeah bob is the way to do it so but all up ok we'll see a place that is a really
interesting conversation in and denver scenes with
forbes unease with gotham ghost writers
dennis always pleasure talking with refuted because
all right thank you
young turks