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THEY'RE AFRAID TO TELL THEIR WIVES FOR THE SAME PURPOSE,
IF THEY HAVE A MODERATELY GOOD MARRIAGE,
THEY'RE AFID OF A DIVORCE,
THEY DON'T WANNA LOSE THIS PERSON,
AND THIS IS SOMETHING AS I SAID MANY TIMES,
IT'S NOT VERY WELL ACCEPTED,
ESPECIALLY IN A MARRIAGE WHERE YOU KEPT IT A SECRET,
'CAUSE THEY GO, "IF YOU KEPT THAT SECRET
WHAT ELSE HAVE YOU KEPT SECRET ?"
IT BECOMES A BETRAYAL
,
IS THAT YOU LIED TO THEM,
YOU HID FROM THEM, YOU BETRAYED THEM.
A LOT OF THEM FEEL MORE OFFENDED BY THAT,
AND THEY NEVER FORGIVE IT.
( woman ) DID THAT HAPPEN TO YOU ?
THAT HAPPENED TO ME TWO TIMES.
THE THING IS, WE GO TO CLUBS AND WE MEET GIRLS
WHO THINK THIS IS GREAT.
A LOT OF WOMAN DO FIND THIS VERY INTRIGUING.
BUT, I REALLY THINK THERE ARE NOT MANY WOMEN
WHO WOULD LIKE IT FOR THEIR HUSBANDS OR BOYFRIENDS.
THAT SMELLS GOOD !
H.
IT'S REALLY SYMPTOMATIC OF A DYSFUNCTION.
IF YOU WANNA TALK IN MEDICAL OR PSYCHOLOGICAL TERMS.
THE ONLY REMEDY OR ONLY CURE
TO THIS DISEASE OR DYSFUNCTION
IS TO DO THIS,
BECAUSE IT'S LIKE AS IF I TOOK A PART OF ME
AND LOCKED IT IN THE CLOSET FOR A LONG TIME.
IF YOU LOCK ANYBODY IN A CLOSET,
THEY BEGIN TO--
( man ) I DON'T KNOW IF I AGREE WITH THE WORD "DISEASE".
THIS IS NOT A DISEASE.
I THINK THE DYSFUNCTION COMES IN,
NOT FROM THE CROSSDRESSING, BUT THE REACTION FROM OTHERS.
IT'S THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THE SOCIETY REJECTION,
IT'S NOT-- I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH ME.
IT'S WITH "JOE BLOW" OVER THERE
THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH.
N.
I'LL TAKE U TO THE BARS,
MY WIFE SAYS IT TO ME ALL THE TIME,
AL
ARE HIGHLY DYSFUNCTIONAL.
AND I SAY "DYSFUNCTIONAL" IN A STRICT SOCIAL SENSE.
THAN THEY THINK I'M A TRANSVESTITE.
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IS STILL THE BOTTOM OF THE SOCIAL WRUNG.
IT'S THE MICRO-MINORITY.
WE'VE BECOME, AS OUR OWN FRIENDSHIPS,
WE HANG OUT WITH EACH OTHER,
AS FAR AS GOING TO PLACES AND DOING THINGS.
WHETHER IT'S GOING SHOPPING, GOING TO A CLUB,
TAKING A TRIP TOGETHER.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DO THIS
TRY,
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE FOUND.
YOU CAN HAVE A PRETTY FULFILLING RELATIONSHIP WITH FRIENDS.
IT MAY NOT BE ON A TOTALLY INTIMATE BASIS,
A PURE *** BASIS, OR A SLEEPING BASIS,
BUT YOU COULD HAVE LOTS OF GOOD FRIENDS IN YOUR LIFE,
AND HAVE A VERY FULFILLING LIFE.
AS FAR AS FINDING A...
A MATE...
A GENETIC FEMALE THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED,
IF IT HAPPENS, IT HAPPENS.
I DON'T SUSPECT IT WILL ANY TIME SOON.
( woman ) WOULD ANYBODY HERE BE COMFORTABLE BEING PHOTOGRAPHED
WITHOUT NOT BEING DRESSED ?
SEE ?
WHAT ABOUT YOU ?
IT'S SOCIETAL PROBLEMS.
ONLY FOR WORK PURPOSES, OTHER THAN THAT...
I HAVE FRIENDS, I HAVE RELATIONSHIPS.
I HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE
THAT I WOULD NOT WANT THEM TO BE BURDENED WITH THIS.
YOU COULD LOSE A LOT.
IT'S SOMETHING YOU LIVE WITH, IT'S A FEAR.
I HAVE FRIENDS GOING THROUGH IT RIGHT NOW,
RIGHT NOW, I HAVE A FRIEND, SAME THING,
LF A MILLION DOLLARS,
AND HE'LL HAVE MONEY, HE'S NOT GONNA BE POOR,
BUT, SAME KINDA THING,
WORRIED ABOUT WILL HE LOSE CLIENTS IF SHE OPENS HER MOUTH,
'CAUSE SHE WORKED IN THE BUSINESS WITH HIM.
SHE CAN CALL ALL THE CLIENTS AND SAY,
"MY HUSBAND'S A VERY WEIRD PERSON."
( woman ) YOU WERE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR WIFE DOING THAT ?
OF COURSE I WAS, I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
I WAS MARRIED TWICE,
AND WITH MY FIRST WIFE I WAS DEATHLY AFRAID OF IT.
MY ATTORNEY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS.
I HAD NOT TOLD ANYONE EXCEPT MY SISTER,
'CAUSE I DIDN'T WANT MY SISTER TO HEAR IT FROM MY EX-WIFE.
I FIGURED I BETTER TELL HER,
I DIDN'T TELL MY KIDS, WE KEPT THAT FROM THE KIDS,
THAT WAS NOT NEEDED, THAT DID NOT HAVE TO BE DONE.
BUT, YEAH, E FEAR WAS THERE.
THE SECOND WIFE, THE SAME SITUATION.
( woman ) WOULD YOU WANNA GET MARRIED AGAIN ?
IF I FOUND SOMEBODY, I COULD GET MARRIED
I'VE OFTEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
I WON'T EVER CLOSET THIS AGAIN,
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO ACCEPT MY LIFESTYLE.
OBVIOUSLY, WHATEVER LIFESTYLE THEY HAVE,
I'D HAVE TO EXCEPT THI'S TOO.
I WOULD, YEAH,
I LIKE ONE ON ONE RELATIONSHIPS.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN THAT KIND OF PERSON.
BUT, I'D RATHER BE BY MYSELF THEN GO THROUGH TORMENT AGAIN.
IT'S NOT WORTH IT.
WOMAN TEND TO KEEP THEIR ELBOWS
CLOSER TO THEIR BODIES,
AND WHEN THEY'RE MOVING THEIR HANDS,
THEY'RE NOT IN FISTS, A LOT OF GUYS DANCE LIKE THIS.
IF YOU TAKE YOUR HANDS AND YOU START MAKING THEM LIKE THIS.
I'M EXAGGERATING RIGHT NOW,
BUT YOU SEE, NOW YOU'RE GETTING THAT FLOW,
YOU GOT A FIGURE EIGHT,
WITHOUT EVEN TRYING,
THERE'S NO WAY OF DOING IT WITHOUT THE HIP MOVEMENT.
THE HIP IS WHERE IT'S AT.
MEN DANCE FROM SHOULDERS, WOMEN DANCE FROM HIPS.
IF YOU WANNA GET...
I'M NNA DO SOME OTHER THINGS,
I DON'T THINK YOU'LL FOLLOW ME BUT,
THIS IS A FORWARD, BACK, FORWARD.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR...
YOU GO, GIRL.
GO TO AEROBIC CLASSES, YOU CAN WEAR A TIGHT TOP,
BUT, REALISTICALLY YOU SHOULD WEAR A BRA,
TO MAKE SURE THEY STAY IN POSITION.
I HAD CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WERE VERY FUNNY.
ONE TIME I WAS DANNG REALLY HARD, WEARING THIS THING,
I HAD NOTHING UNDERNEATH,
ALL OF A SUDDEN THE GIRL I WAS DANCING WITH WAS LAUGHIN',
LOOK LIKE A CYCLOPS,
THEY BOTH ENDED UP VERTICALLY,
I WENT, "HOLY ***", I'M TRYIN' TO READJUST THEM,
MOVE 'EM ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO THERE ARE FUN THINGS THAT HAPPEN.
HERE I AM IN CENTRAL PARK, JOGGING IN DRAG,
IT HAS TO BE THE FIRST TIME ANYBODY JOGGED IN DRAG THERE,
IT'S KIND OF FUN JUST BEING OUT THERE,
JUST DOING THINGS THAT REGULAR PEOPLE DO,
INSTEAD OF HIDING ALL THE TIME,
MAYBE GOING SHOPPING OR GOING TO A CLUB AT NIGHT,
THIS IS KIND OF FUN,
I KNOW PEOPLE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT ME,
'CAUSE I'M BUILT LIKE A VERY, VERY STRONG WOMAN.
I DON'T CARE.
( woman ) HOW WOULD THAT WORK, DANCING ?
( Jeff ) I DO THAT ALL THE TIME,
BUT I GO TO SPECIAL BARS WHERE I MEET WOMEN.
I DON'T GO TO REGULAR BARS DRESSED.
I'M TALKIN' ABOUT A WOMAN THAT YOU MIGHT LIKE TO DATE.
WELL, I WOULD MEET HER.
IF SHE SAW ME DRESSED, SHE WOULD KNOW ABOUT ME.
THAT'S MY BIGGEST SECRET.
ONCE THAT SECRET'S OUT,
THE BAD PART, AND I'VE HAD THIS,
IS WHEN I GO TO REGULAR PLACES AND I MEET WOMEN.
I'D HAVE SEVERAL THAT I'VE BEEN INTIMATE WITH.
AND I ALWAYS HAVE THAT THING, HERE WE GO AGAIN,
NOW SHE LIKES ME, I'M STARTING TO LIKE HER,
I'VE GOT TO TELL HER ABOUT MYSELF.
HOW'S SHE GONNA REACT ?
AND IN MOST CASES IT'SEGATIVE.
WHY DO I WANNA KEEP PUTTING MYSELF
THROUGH THAT NEGATIVE SITUATION ?
YORE BANGIN' YOURSELF IN THE HEAD EVERY TIME.
SO, NOW MOST OF THE WOMEN THAT I MEET, MEET ME,
WHEN I START TO DATE THEM, THEY ALREADY MET JEAN.
THEY USUALLY MEET JEAN FIRST.
I CAN MEET SOMEBODY AT THIS CONFERENCE.