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>>> GOOD EVENING AND THANKS FOR JOINING US.
JOINING US. I'M JIM NINTZEL, HOST OF "AZ
I'M JIM NINTZEL, HOST OF "AZ POLITICS."
POLITICS." ON TONIGHT'S SHOW, WE'LL FIND
ON TONIGHT'S SHOW, WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT A NEW POLL TELL US
OUT WHAT A NEW POLL TELL US ABOUT THIS YEAR'S GOVERNOR'S
ABOUT THIS YEAR'S GOVERNOR'S RACE AND OTHER HOT BUTTON ISSUES
RACE AND OTHER HOT BUTTON ISSUES IN ARIZONA.
IN ARIZONA. PLUS WE'LL FIND OUT THE LATEST
PLUS WE'LL FIND OUT THE LATEST ON THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND
ON THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND FIND OUT WHY THEY CREATED A
FIND OUT WHY THEY CREATED A HOLIDAY FOR CITY WORKERS.
HOLIDAY FOR CITY WORKERS. ALL THAT AND MUCH MORE ISMENT
ALL THAT AND MUCH MORE ISMENT COING UP NEXT ON "AZ POLITICS."
COING UP NEXT ON "AZ POLITICS." BUT FIRST A LOOK AT TODAY'S TOP
BUT FIRST A LOOK AT TODAY'S TOP STORIES
STORIES >> HUNDREDS OF WILDFIRE FIGHTERS
>> HUNDREDS OF WILDFIRE FIGHTERS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY WILL
FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY WILL TRAIN THIS WEEKEND AND FOCUS ON
TRAIN THIS WEEKEND AND FOCUS ON SAFETY ISSUES.
SAFETY ISSUES. THE DEATH OF 19 HOT SHOT
THE DEATH OF 19 HOT SHOT FIREFIGHTERS WILL BE AT THE TOPS
FIREFIGHTERS WILL BE AT THE TOPS OF THEIR MINDS.
OF THEIR MINDS. OFFICIALS SAY DROUGHT CONDITIONS
OFFICIALS SAY DROUGHT CONDITIONS MEAN THAT WILDFIRES ARE BURNING
MEAN THAT WILDFIRES ARE BURNING FASTER AN EVER.
FASTER AN EVER. >>> CHILDREN'S ADVOCATES ARE
>>> CHILDREN'S ADVOCATES ARE CONTINUING TO PUSH FOR ARIZONA'S
CONTINUING TO PUSH FOR ARIZONA'S CHILD PROTECT TY SERVICES
CHILD PROTECT TY SERVICES CRISIS.
CRISIS. A COALITION OF ADVOCATES MADE AN
A COALITION OF ADVOCATES MADE AN ASSESSMENT IN KNEE NIX TODAY OF
ASSESSMENT IN KNEE NIX TODAY OF WHAT'S BEEN DONE SO FAR TO
WHAT'S BEEN DONE SO FAR TO IMPROVE.
IMPROVE. MUCH MORE IS NEEDED NOW TO HIRE
MUCH MORE IS NEEDED NOW TO HIRE NEW CASEWORKERS.
NEW CASEWORKERS. ONE ADVOCATE SAYS MAKING CPS AN
ONE ADVOCATE SAYS MAKING CPS AN INDEPENDENT AGENCY ISN'T THE
INDEPENDENT AGENCY ISN'T THE ONLY SOLUTION.
ONLY SOLUTION. THE STATE MUST CREATE A
THE STATE MUST CREATE A FRAMEWORK OF CHANGE THAT CAN BE
FRAMEWORK OF CHANGE THAT CAN BE BUILT ON IN YEARS TO COME.
BUILT ON IN YEARS TO COME. >>> TUCSON MOTORISTS ARE BEING
>>> TUCSON MOTORISTS ARE BEING WARNED OF TRAFFIC PROBLEMS.
WARNED OF TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. THE RACE IS STARTING AT 3:15
THE RACE IS STARTING AT 3:15 P.M. AND ENDS ABOUT 7:00 P.M.
P.M. AND ENDS ABOUT 7:00 P.M. AND THAT'S A LOOK AT TONIGHT'S
AND THAT'S A LOOK AT TONIGHT'S HEADLINES.
HEADLINES. >>> I'M AGAIN, ON THE NEXT NEWS
>>> I'M AGAIN, ON THE NEXT NEWS HOUR WE DISCUSS THE STANDOFF IN
HOUR WE DISCUSS THE STANDOFF IN UKRAINE WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE
UKRAINE WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF.
JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF. THAT'S FRIDAY ON THE PBS NEWS
THAT'S FRIDAY ON THE PBS NEWS HOUR.
HOUR. >>> TONIGHT ARIZONA WEEK FOCUSES
>>> TONIGHT ARIZONA WEEK FOCUSES ON WATER USAGE AND SUPPLY IN
ON WATER USAGE AND SUPPLY IN ARIZONA.
ARIZONA. WITH DROUGHT LF LIKE CONDITIONS
WITH DROUGHT LF LIKE CONDITIONS IN THE SOUTHWEST, HOW IS
IN THE SOUTHWEST, HOW IS ARIZONA'S WATER SOURCES DOING?
ARIZONA'S WATER SOURCES DOING? >> EVERY DROP WE PRODUCE IS
>> EVERY DROP WE PRODUCE IS GOING TO BE AN ECONOMICALLY
GOING TO BE AN ECONOMICALLY VIABLE THING FOR US TO DO.
VIABLE THING FOR US TO DO. >> THAT'S TONIGHT AT 8:30 ON PBS
>> THAT'S TONIGHT AT 8:30 ON PBS 6.
6. >>> THIS WEEK A NEW SURVEY
>>> THIS WEEK A NEW SURVEY RELEASED STATES THAT THE
RELEASED STATES THAT THE GOVERNOR'S RACE IS UP FOR GRABS.
GOVERNOR'S RACE IS UP FOR GRABS. HERE TO DISCUSS THAT IS ANNIE
HERE TO DISCUSS THAT IS ANNIE PETERSON, JONATHON PAY TOB AND
PETERSON, JONATHON PAY TOB AND TIM TELLER.
TIM TELLER. TIM, THIS PUBLIC POLICY POLLING
TIM, THIS PUBLIC POLICY POLLING SURVEY SHOWED SOME INTERESTING
SURVEY SHOWED SOME INTERESTING RESULTS.
RESULTS. LET'S START WITH THE GOVERNOR'S
LET'S START WITH THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.
RACE. THIS IS PRESUMABLY GOVERNOR JAN
THIS IS PRESUMABLY GOVERNOR JAN BREWER'S LAST TERM.
BREWER'S LAST TERM. FRED DUVAL ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE.
FRED DUVAL ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE. A LOT OF CANDIDATES ON THE
A LOT OF CANDIDATES ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE AND THIS SURVEY
REPUBLICAN SIDE AND THIS SURVEY SHOWS THERE'S NO CLEAR FRONT
SHOWS THERE'S NO CLEAR FRONT RUNNER.
RUNNER. >> YEAH, THE FRONT RUNNER WAS
>> YEAH, THE FRONT RUNNER WAS UNDECIDED AT 34%.
UNDECIDED AT 34%. KEN BENNETT WAS THE LEADING
KEN BENNETT WAS THE LEADING PERSON AT 20%.
PERSON AT 20%. AND 16% FOR, WHAT'S THE
AND 16% FOR, WHAT'S THE BUSINESSWOMAN'S NAME, CHRISTINE
BUSINESSWOMAN'S NAME, CHRISTINE JONES.
JONES. NAME ID IS AN ISSUE NOT JUST FOR
NAME ID IS AN ISSUE NOT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC BUT FOR US AS WELL.
THE PUBLIC BUT FOR US AS WELL. MAYBE THE BIGGEST SURPRISE OUT
MAYBE THE BIGGEST SURPRISE OUT OF THE WHOLE THING WAS THAT
OF THE WHOLE THING WAS THAT DOUG, WHO MANY CONSIDERED TO BE
DOUG, WHO MANY CONSIDERED TO BE THE LEADING CANDIDATE ON THE
THE LEADING CANDIDATE ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE CHIMED IN WITH
REPUBLICAN SIDE CHIMED IN WITH JUST 6% UNDERNEATH DISBARRED
JUST 6% UNDERNEATH DISBARRED FORMER MARICOPA COUNTY ATTORNEY
FORMER MARICOPA COUNTY ATTORNEY THOMAS.
THOMAS. SO THE RACE IS CLEARLY UP IN THE
SO THE RACE IS CLEARLY UP IN THE AIR.
AIR. NOT A LOT OF NAME ID FOR A LOT
NOT A LOT OF NAME ID FOR A LOT OF THE CANDIDATES.
OF THE CANDIDATES. >> AND JONATHAN, DOUG'S RACED
>> AND JONATHAN, DOUG'S RACED MORE MONEY THAN ANY OF THE OTHER
MORE MONEY THAN ANY OF THE OTHER CAN DATES.
CAN DATES. BUT WHO ARE ARE THE TOP TIER?
BUT WHO ARE ARE THE TOP TIER? >> WHEN THEY TELL YOU IT'S ALL
>> WHEN THEY TELL YOU IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, IT REALLY IS
ABOUT THE MONEY, IT REALLY IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. IF YOU HAVE CLEAN ELECTIONS AS
IF YOU HAVE CLEAN ELECTIONS AS SOME OF THESE CANDIDATES DO,
SOME OF THESE CANDIDATES DO, BASICALLY ONE WEEK OF TV IS
BASICALLY ONE WEEK OF TV IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD,
BASICALLY WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD, PROVIDED YOU DON'T SPEND ANY
PROVIDED YOU DON'T SPEND ANY MONEY ON ANYTHING ELSE.
MONEY ON ANYTHING ELSE. ANYBODY THAT'S TAKING CLEAN
ANYBODY THAT'S TAKING CLEAN ELECTION MONEY IS GOING TO HAVE
ELECTION MONEY IS GOING TO HAVE A TOUGH TIME GETTING ANYWHERE IN
A TOUGH TIME GETTING ANYWHERE IN THIS RACE.
THIS RACE. CHRISTINE JONES, SHE GOT AS HIGH
CHRISTINE JONES, SHE GOT AS HIGH AS HE DID.
AS HE DID. SHE'S A WOMAN IN A FIELD OF MEN.
SHE'S A WOMAN IN A FIELD OF MEN. THAT GIVES HER AN ADVANTAGE.
THAT GIVES HER AN ADVANTAGE. WE'LL FIND OUT HOW MUCH SHE
WE'LL FIND OUT HOW MUCH SHE RAISES OR PUTS IN.
RAISES OR PUTS IN. I THINK DOUG HAS AN AWFUL LOT OF
I THINK DOUG HAS AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY.
MONEY. YOU CAN BUY NAME ID WITH THAT
YOU CAN BUY NAME ID WITH THAT KIND OF MONEY THAT HE'S GOT.
KIND OF MONEY THAT HE'S GOT. HE'S ALREADY GOT WHAT THE CLEAN
HE'S ALREADY GOT WHAT THE CLEAN ELECTIONS CANDIDATES WOULD BE
ELECTIONS CANDIDATES WOULD BE GETTING.
GETTING. HE'S GOT THAT IN THE BANK.
HE'S GOT THAT IN THE BANK. YOU DON'T HAVE A STATE ELECTED
YOU DON'T HAVE A STATE ELECTED DEMOCRAT IN ARIZONA RIGHT NOW.
DEMOCRAT IN ARIZONA RIGHT NOW. I THINK IT WOULD BE JONES, SMITH
I THINK IT WOULD BE JONES, SMITH OR DUECY ARE PROBABLY IN THE
OR DUECY ARE PROBABLY IN THE BEST POSITION.
BEST POSITION. >> YOU MEAN SCOTT SMITH, THE
>> YOU MEAN SCOTT SMITH, THE MAYOR OF MESA WHO IS GETTING
MAYOR OF MESA WHO IS GETTING INTO THIS RACE IN.
INTO THIS RACE IN. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> AND JAN BREWER IS POSSIBLY
>> AND JAN BREWER IS POSSIBLY TALKING ABOUT RUNNING AGAIN.
TALKING ABOUT RUNNING AGAIN. IS SHE GOING TO GET INTO THIS?
IS SHE GOING TO GET INTO THIS? >> I DON'T THINK SO.
>> I DON'T THINK SO. THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS
THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SHE COULD.
IT POSSIBLE THAT SHE COULD. SHE'S TALKED ABOUT IT BUT NOT IN
SHE'S TALKED ABOUT IT BUT NOT IN A VERY AGGRESSIVE WAY SO I DON'T
A VERY AGGRESSIVE WAY SO I DON'T GET THE FEELING THAT SHE'S
GET THE FEELING THAT SHE'S PLANNING ON DOING THIS.
PLANNING ON DOING THIS. OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE A GAME
OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE A GAME CHANGER IF SHE WERE TO DO IT.
CHANGER IF SHE WERE TO DO IT. IT WOULD BE A DPAIM GAME CHANGER
IT WOULD BE A DPAIM GAME CHANGER IN THE PRIMARY AND GENERAL
IN THE PRIMARY AND GENERAL ELECTION.
ELECTION. >> DEMOCRAT DUVAL RELEASED HIS
>> DEMOCRAT DUVAL RELEASED HIS OWN POLL THIS WEEK AND IT LINED
OWN POLL THIS WEEK AND IT LINED UP WITH WHAT THE POLICY POLL WAS
UP WITH WHAT THE POLICY POLL WAS SAYING.
SAYING. AND TEAM DUVAL TOOK
AND TEAM DUVAL TOOK ENCOURAGEMENT FROM A RESPONSE TO
ENCOURAGEMENT FROM A RESPONSE TO A QUESTION THAT SAID WOULD YOU
A QUESTION THAT SAID WOULD YOU PREFER A GOVERNOR WHO'S GOING TO
PREFER A GOVERNOR WHO'S GOING TO INVEST IN EDUCATION OR A
INVEST IN EDUCATION OR A GOVERNOR WHO'S GOING TO CUT YOUR
GOVERNOR WHO'S GOING TO CUT YOUR TAXES.
TAXES. THEY SAW SOME ENCOURAGING
THEY SAW SOME ENCOURAGING NUMBERS THERE FROM DEMOCRATS AND
NUMBERS THERE FROM DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS, YOUNGER REPUBLICAN
INDEPENDENTS, YOUNGER REPUBLICAN WOMEN.
WOMEN. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. AND I THINK WHAT WAS INTERESTING
AND I THINK WHAT WAS INTERESTING ABOUT THAT POLL IS THAT IT
ABOUT THAT POLL IS THAT IT SHOWED THAT EDUCATION RATHER
SHOWED THAT EDUCATION RATHER THAN IMMIGRATION IS THE NUMBER
THAN IMMIGRATION IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE AMONG LIKELY VOTERS
ONE ISSUE AMONG LIKELY VOTERS THAT AND THAT VOTERS ARE
THAT AND THAT VOTERS ARE STARTING TO GET THE CONNECTION
STARTING TO GET THE CONNECTION BETWEEN EDUCATION AND ECONOMIC
BETWEEN EDUCATION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
DEVELOPMENT. WHICH PRIOR TO THIS IT WASN'T
WHICH PRIOR TO THIS IT WASN'T CLEAR THAT THEY HAD MADE THE
CLEAR THAT THEY HAD MADE THE CONNECTION.
CONNECTION. SO I THINK THIS HELPS THE
SO I THINK THIS HELPS THE CANDIDATE LIKE FRED DUVAL WHO
CANDIDATE LIKE FRED DUVAL WHO HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF THE ARIZONA
HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF THE ARIZONA BOARD OF REGENTS AND A STRONG
BOARD OF REGENTS AND A STRONG SUPPORTER OF EDUCATION.
SUPPORTER OF EDUCATION. I THINK IT HURTS CANDIDATES LIKE
I THINK IT HURTS CANDIDATES LIKE DOUG DUECY BECAUSE SHE HAS, YOU
DOUG DUECY BECAUSE SHE HAS, YOU KNOW, CAME OUT AGAINST PUBLIC
KNOW, CAME OUT AGAINST PUBLIC EDUCATION.
EDUCATION. HE WAS THE FACE, A VERY NEGATIVE
HE WAS THE FACE, A VERY NEGATIVE AND CRITICAL FACE IN PROPOSITION
AND CRITICAL FACE IN PROPOSITION 204 AGAINST PUBLIC EDUCATION AND
204 AGAINST PUBLIC EDUCATION AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO
I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HELP HIM IF HE DOES MAKE IT OUT
HELP HIM IF HE DOES MAKE IT OUT OF THE PRIMARY.
OF THE PRIMARY. HE HAS SOME OTHER LIABILITIES
HE HAS SOME OTHER LIABILITIES AND I'M NOT SURPRISED THAT HE'S
AND I'M NOT SURPRISED THAT HE'S NOT BE ABLE TO BOUNCE UP TO THE
NOT BE ABLE TO BOUNCE UP TO THE DOUBLE DIGITS.
DOUBLE DIGITS. HE'S ALIGNED HIMSELF WITH KATHY
HE'S ALIGNED HIMSELF WITH KATHY HERROD WHO MOST ARE SCRAMBLING
HERROD WHO MOST ARE SCRAMBLING TO GET AWAY FROM.
TO GET AWAY FROM. HE WAS CALLED UPON THIS WEEK TO
HE WAS CALLED UPON THIS WEEK TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM HER AND TO
DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM HER AND TO REMOVE HER FROM HIS POLICY
REMOVE HER FROM HIS POLICY COMMITTEE AND HE REFUSED TO DO
COMMITTEE AND HE REFUSED TO DO SO.
SO. I THINK AGAIN IF HE DOES MAKE IT
I THINK AGAIN IF HE DOES MAKE IT OUT OF THE PRIMARY, THAT MAY
OUT OF THE PRIMARY, THAT MAY HELP HIM IN THE PRIMARY BUT IT
HELP HIM IN THE PRIMARY BUT IT IS DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO HELP
IS DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO HELP HIM IN THE GENERAL IF HE
HIM IN THE GENERAL IF HE ALLIANALIGNS
ALLIANALIGNS WITH SUCH AN EXTREMIST.
WITH SUCH AN EXTREMIST. >> I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO
>> I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
THAT. I THINK 204, BEING AGAINST 204
I THINK 204, BEING AGAINST 204 WAS A SMART MOVE ON HIS PART
WAS A SMART MOVE ON HIS PART BECAUSE THE PUBLIC REJECTED 204.
BECAUSE THE PUBLIC REJECTED 204. IT MAKES HIM ANTI-TAX AND THAT I
IT MAKES HIM ANTI-TAX AND THAT I THINK THAT COULD TRANSLATE TO
THINK THAT COULD TRANSLATE TO SOMEBODY WHO SUPPORTS SCHOOL
SOMEBODY WHO SUPPORTS SCHOOL CHOICE.
CHOICE. PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT EDUCATION.
PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT EDUCATION. I DON'T THAT THEY SAID HOW THEY
I DON'T THAT THEY SAID HOW THEY WANT TO SEE KIDS EDUCATED.
WANT TO SEE KIDS EDUCATED. THEY MIGHT WANT THEM EDUCATED IN
THEY MIGHT WANT THEM EDUCATED IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATION OR A
A PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATION OR A PRIVATE EDUCATING SETTING.
PRIVATE EDUCATING SETTING. WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW. >> ARIZONA, THE LEGISLATURE HAS
>> ARIZONA, THE LEGISLATURE HAS CUT $3 BILLION AND YOU
CUT $3 BILLION AND YOU UNFORTUNATELY WAS A PART OF THE
UNFORTUNATELY WAS A PART OF THE TEAM THAT CUT EDUCATION SO
TEAM THAT CUT EDUCATION SO DEEPLY IN THE STATE OF DOAN
DEEPLY IN THE STATE OF DOAN ARIZONA.
ARIZONA. SO YOU KNOW, IF I CAN JUST
SO YOU KNOW, IF I CAN JUST FINISH.
FINISH. WHEN DOUG DUECY RAN, HE REALLY
WHEN DOUG DUECY RAN, HE REALLY WAS RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR IN THE
WAS RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR IN THE PROP 204 RACE, HE MADE SO MANY
PROP 204 RACE, HE MADE SO MANY MISSTATES ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION
MISSTATES ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION IT WAS OUTRAGEOUS.
IT WAS OUTRAGEOUS. AND HE CRITICIZED THE
AND HE CRITICIZED THE SUPERINTENDENTS WHO ARE
SUPERINTENDENTS WHO ARE EDUCATING THE VOORT, 85% OF
EDUCATING THE VOORT, 85% OF STUDENTS IN EDUCATION.
STUDENTS IN EDUCATION. SO I DO NOT VIEW HIM ASING WITH
SO I DO NOT VIEW HIM ASING WITH PRO PUBLIC EDUCATION.
PRO PUBLIC EDUCATION. AND WE CONSIDER CHATTERS TO BE
AND WE CONSIDER CHATTERS TO BE PART OF PUBLIC EDUCATION.
PART OF PUBLIC EDUCATION. THIS HURT ALL CHILDREN AND ALL
THIS HURT ALL CHILDREN AND ALL SOURCES, FUNDING, I MEAN PEOPLE
SOURCES, FUNDING, I MEAN PEOPLE WHO WOULD HAVE BENEFITTED FROM
WHO WOULD HAVE BENEFITTED FROM THE --
THE -- >> BECAUSE HE WENT OUT AND USED
>> BECAUSE HE WENT OUT AND USED DARK MONEY TO ATTACK IT.
DARK MONEY TO ATTACK IT. I KNOW A LOT ABOUT WHAT
I KNOW A LOT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.
HAPPENED. >> JONATHAN, LAST WORD HERE.
>> JONATHAN, LAST WORD HERE. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THE PUBLIC
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THE PUBLIC SPOKE.
SPOKE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE MISLED.
MISLED. I THINK THE PUBLIC DEFINITIVELY
I THINK THE PUBLIC DEFINITIVELY SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE
SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE RAISING TAXES.
RAISING TAXES. AND THE SHELL GAME WITH WENT ON
AND THE SHELL GAME WITH WENT ON WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT
WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT INTERESTS THAT ARE WITH BEHIND
INTERESTS THAT ARE WITH BEHIND PROP 204.
PROP 204. I THINK THAT PUT HIM IN A GREAT
I THINK THAT PUT HIM IN A GREAT POSITION TO BE ABLE TO SAY I'M
POSITION TO BE ABLE TO SAY I'M WILLING TO REDUCE TAXES, OPPOSE
WILLING TO REDUCE TAXES, OPPOSE TAX INCREASES AND I'M NOT GOING
TAX INCREASES AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHERE
TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHERE WE JUST RAISE A TAX EVERY TIME
WE JUST RAISE A TAX EVERY TIME WE WANT TO SEE ANOTHER INTEREST.
WE WANT TO SEE ANOTHER INTEREST. >> I THINK TIM WANTS IN HERE.
>> I THINK TIM WANTS IN HERE. >> I'M INTERESTED IN WHY YOU
>> I'M INTERESTED IN WHY YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN MORE OR AT ALL
HAVEN'T SPOKEN MORE OR AT ALL ABOUT TIM BENNETT.
ABOUT TIM BENNETT. HERE HE IS WITH THE LEAD AT 20%.
HERE HE IS WITH THE LEAD AT 20%. >> I THINK THAT HE HAS A GOOD
>> I THINK THAT HE HAS A GOOD CHANCE BUT THE PROBLEM IS, LIKE
CHANCE BUT THE PROBLEM IS, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IF YOU'RE A CLEAN
I SAID BEFORE, IF YOU'RE A CLEAN ELECTIONS CANDIDATE, THE MOST
ELECTIONS CANDIDATE, THE MOST MONEY YOU'RE GOING TO GET IS
MONEY YOU'RE GOING TO GET IS BASICALLY TO PAY FOR ONE WEEK OF
BASICALLY TO PAY FOR ONE WEEK OF ADVERTISING ON TELEVISION.
ADVERTISING ON TELEVISION. IF HE CAN'T GO BEYOND THAT
IF HE CAN'T GO BEYOND THAT THRESHOLD, IT'S GOING TO BE
THRESHOLD, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT.
DIFFICULT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NAME ID
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NAME ID THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW. BENNETT HAS BEEN IN OFFICE FOR A
BENNETT HAS BEEN IN OFFICE FOR A FAIRLY LONG TIME.
FAIRLY LONG TIME. HE HAS GOOD NAME ID BUT WHETHER
HE HAS GOOD NAME ID BUT WHETHER THAT TRANSLATES INTO AN ACTUAL
THAT TRANSLATES INTO AN ACTUAL WIN ON ELECTION DAY, IT'S GOING
WIN ON ELECTION DAY, IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO WHO HAS THE MOST
TO COME DOWN TO WHO HAS THE MOST MONEY GOING INTO EARLY
MONEY GOING INTO EARLY BALLOTING.
BALLOTING. THE COSTS ARE PROHIBITIVELY
THE COSTS ARE PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE.
EXPENSIVE. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT. >> I WOULD SAY SAY SPEAKING OF
>> I WOULD SAY SAY SPEAKING OF MONEY, BUT CHRISTINE JONES HAS A
MONEY, BUT CHRISTINE JONES HAS A LOT OF MONEY.
LOT OF MONEY. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> SHE HAS $9 MILLION AND SHE'S
>> SHE HAS $9 MILLION AND SHE'S SITTING PRETTY.
SITTING PRETTY. >> IT GIVES HER A HUGE ADVANTAGE
>> IT GIVES HER A HUGE ADVANTAGE IN THIS RACE.
IN THIS RACE. BUT I THINK THE REAL THING IS,
BUT I THINK THE REAL THING IS, THIS COMES DOWN TO IT, ARE YOU
THIS COMES DOWN TO IT, ARE YOU WILLING TO COMMIT THAT MONEY.
WILLING TO COMMIT THAT MONEY. PEOPLE HAVE MONEY, THEY TAKE
PEOPLE HAVE MONEY, THEY TAKE ABOUT IT A LOT AND THEY USE IT
ABOUT IT A LOT AND THEY USE IT AS A TALKING POINT BUT DO THEY
AS A TALKING POINT BUT DO THEY ACTUALLY COMMIT IT AND SPEND IT.
ACTUALLY COMMIT IT AND SPEND IT. WE DON'T SEE THAT QUITE OFTEN.
WE DON'T SEE THAT QUITE OFTEN. WE DID SEE IT WITH WILL CAR DIN
WE DID SEE IT WITH WILL CAR DIN RECENTLY BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF
RECENTLY BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S WILLING TO SPEND THE
SHE'S WILLING TO SPEND THE MONEY.
MONEY. THAT'S A BIG GAME CHANGER AS
THAT'S A BIG GAME CHANGER AS WELL.
WELL. >> I'LL LET THAT GO IF YOU WANT
>> I'LL LET THAT GO IF YOU WANT ME TO.
ME TO. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> HE'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW
>> HE'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW MONEY DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK FOR
MONEY DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK FOR YOU.
YOU. I MEAN HE SPENT ALL THAT HE
I MEAN HE SPENT ALL THAT HE COULD.
COULD. HE DIDN'T GET ANYWHERE.
HE DIDN'T GET ANYWHERE. >> WE'LL BE TALKING A LOT MORE
>> WE'LL BE TALKING A LOT MORE ABOUT THE GOVERNOR'S RACE
ABOUT THE GOVERNOR'S RACE CLEARLY ON THIS PROGRAM.
CLEARLY ON THIS PROGRAM. BUT I WANTED TO MENTION THE AG'S
BUT I WANTED TO MENTION THE AG'S RACE CAME UP IN THE POLL AND
RACE CAME UP IN THE POLL AND SHOWED A RACE.
SHOWED A RACE. WHY DO YOU THINK HORN HAS SUCH
WHY DO YOU THINK HORN HAS SUCH POR NUMBERS.
POR NUMBERS. >> HE JUST HAD A HEARING, AN
>> HE JUST HAD A HEARING, AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING ABOUT
ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING ABOUT WHETHER HE VIOLATED CAMPAIGN
WHETHER HE VIOLATED CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS ABOUT A MONTH AGO,
FINANCE LAWS ABOUT A MONTH AGO, THE IDEA BEING THAT HIS LAST
THE IDEA BEING THAT HIS LAST CAMPAIGN FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL
CAMPAIGN FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL COORDINATED WITH AN OUTSIDE
COORDINATED WITH AN OUTSIDE GROUP TO PUT ADS UP AGAINST AN
GROUP TO PUT ADS UP AGAINST AN OPPONENT.
OPPONENT. AND SO, HE'S SURROUNDED BY
AND SO, HE'S SURROUNDED BY CLOUDS OF CONTROVERSY.
CLOUDS OF CONTROVERSY. HE DOESN'T HAVE GOOD POSITIVE
HE DOESN'T HAVE GOOD POSITIVE PUBLICITY AT THIS STAGE.
PUBLICITY AT THIS STAGE. >> AND JONATHON, HOW BIG OF A
>> AND JONATHON, HOW BIG OF A PROBLEM DOES HORN HAVE IN THIS
PROBLEM DOES HORN HAVE IN THIS PRIMARY.
PRIMARY. HE'S ALREADY GETTING LIT UP ON
HE'S ALREADY GETTING LIT UP ON THE TV SCREENS IN PHOENIX.
THE TV SCREENS IN PHOENIX. BURN VICH IS SAYING DO YOU WANT
BURN VICH IS SAYING DO YOU WANT AN ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO HAS HIS
AN ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO HAS HIS PRIVATE DEFENSE ATTORNEY ON
PRIVATE DEFENSE ATTORNEY ON SPEED DIAL AND POINTING AT
SPEED DIAL AND POINTING AT HORN'S --
HORN'S -- >> SAYING HE IS ENFORCING THE
>> SAYING HE IS ENFORCING THE LAW OR BEING THE SUBJECT OF THE
LAW OR BEING THE SUBJECT OF THE LAW ENFORCING ON YOU.
LAW ENFORCING ON YOU. MARK IS STARTING HIS CAMPAIGN
MARK IS STARTING HIS CAMPAIGN OBVIOUSLY WITH A DEFICIT OF NAME
OBVIOUSLY WITH A DEFICIT OF NAME ID BUT I THINK HE WILL BE ABLE
ID BUT I THINK HE WILL BE ABLE TO RAISE MONEY OVER THE PERIOD
TO RAISE MONEY OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT HE HAS.
OF TIME THAT HE HAS. I ALWAYS THINK THAT THERE ARE
I ALWAYS THINK THAT THERE ARE ALSO NOW OUTSIDE GROUPS THAT ARE
ALSO NOW OUTSIDE GROUPS THAT ARE PLAYING ALREADY IN THIS RACE.
PLAYING ALREADY IN THIS RACE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE PLAYING ON
THEY'RE GOING TO BE PLAYING ON BOTH THE DEMOCRAT SIDE, THE
BOTH THE DEMOCRAT SIDE, THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, AND I THINK
REPUBLICAN SIDE, AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MADE
THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MADE THE DECISION THAT THE BEST PATH
THE DECISION THAT THE BEST PATH FORWARD TO KEEP THE STATE IN
FORWARD TO KEEP THE STATE IN REPUBLICAN HANDS IS TO SUPPORT
REPUBLICAN HANDS IS TO SUPPORT BURNVICH.
BURNVICH. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE A TOUGH HILL TO
DOESN'T HAVE A TOUGH HILL TO CLIMB IN ORDER TO WIN THE
CLIMB IN ORDER TO WIN THE PRIMARY.
PRIMARY. BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS A
BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS A GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT
GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPORTING HIM OVER HORN
ARE SUPPORTING HIM OVER HORN SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK
SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL SEAT OTHERWISE.
IT'S A WONDERFUL SEAT OTHERWISE. >> IS FA LEE SHA THE DEMOCRAT'S
>> IS FA LEE SHA THE DEMOCRAT'S BEST HOPE FOR STATEWIDE WIN?
BEST HOPE FOR STATEWIDE WIN? >> I THINK SO.
>> I THINK SO. WHEN SHE WINS I THINK SHE WILL
WHEN SHE WINS I THINK SHE WILL BE SETTING HERSELF UP TO BE A
BE SETTING HERSELF UP TO BE A POTENTIAL FUTURE GOVERNOR.
POTENTIAL FUTURE GOVERNOR. THE DEMOCRATS IN ARIZONA HAVE
THE DEMOCRATS IN ARIZONA HAVE HAD A VERY SHALLOW BENCH FOR
HAD A VERY SHALLOW BENCH FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW AND HAVE NOT
QUITE SOME TIME NOW AND HAVE NOT HELD A STATEWIDE ELECTED OFFICE
HELD A STATEWIDE ELECTED OFFICE IN SOME TIME.
IN SOME TIME. SO I THINK SHE IS THE BEST HOPE
SO I THINK SHE IS THE BEST HOPE FOR I THINK MOVING FORWARD, YOU
FOR I THINK MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS CURRENT
KNOW, AFTER THIS CURRENT GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION, I THINK
GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION, I THINK SHE'S SETTING HERSELF UP VERY
SHE'S SETTING HERSELF UP VERY WELL.
WELL. SHE HAS ALREADY OUTRAISED TOM
SHE HAS ALREADY OUTRAISED TOM HORN BY MORE THAN $200,000.
HORN BY MORE THAN $200,000. YOU KNOW, HORN OBVIOUSLY HAS
YOU KNOW, HORN OBVIOUSLY HAS MUCH MORE NAME ID.
MUCH MORE NAME ID. SOMETIMES EVEN NOTORIETY CAN
SOMETIMES EVEN NOTORIETY CAN HELP YOU A LITTLE BIT IN THAT
HELP YOU A LITTLE BIT IN THAT RESPECT.
RESPECT. >> TIM, 49% OF ARIZO ZONE THANE
>> TIM, 49% OF ARIZO ZONE THANE SUPPORT GAY UNIONS.
SUPPORT GAY UNIONS. >> WHEN YOU CONSIDER ARIZONA, WE
>> WHEN YOU CONSIDER ARIZONA, WE BANNED GAY MARRIAGE I CAN'T
BANNED GAY MARRIAGE I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY YEARS AGO, BUT
REMEMBER HOW MANY YEARS AGO, BUT IT WASN'T TOO LONG AGO AND IT'S
IT WASN'T TOO LONG AGO AND IT'S CHANGE ALMOST DAY BY DAY.
CHANGE ALMOST DAY BY DAY. SOME OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS
SOME OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT IT'S THE OLDER AGE GROUP
THAT IT'S THE OLDER AGE GROUP THAT'S BEEN OPPOSED TO GAY
THAT'S BEEN OPPOSED TO GAY MARRIAGE AND NOW SOME OF THEM
MARRIAGE AND NOW SOME OF THEM ARE REACHING THE END OF THEIR
ARE REACHING THE END OF THEIR LIVES AND THERE ARE YOUNGER
LIVES AND THERE ARE YOUNGER PEOPLE COMING OF AGE TO VOTE WHO
PEOPLE COMING OF AGE TO VOTE WHO JUST HAVE NO PROBLEM.
JUST HAVE NO PROBLEM. THEY DON'T SEE THE SWHU SAME-SEX
THEY DON'T SEE THE SWHU SAME-SEX COUPLES GETTING MARRIED.
COUPLES GETTING MARRIED. >> JONATHAN, DO YOU THINK THIS
>> JONATHAN, DO YOU THINK THIS COULD VERY WELL BE ON THE BALLOT
COULD VERY WELL BE ON THE BALLOT IN 2016?
IN 2016? DO YOU THINK THE GAY MARRIAGE
DO YOU THINK THE GAY MARRIAGE BAN IS GOING TO BE OVERTURNED BY
BAN IS GOING TO BE OVERTURNED BY THE VOTERS HERE?
THE VOTERS HERE? >> THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE
>> THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE HERE, IF THERE'S A GROUP THAT
HERE, IF THERE'S A GROUP THAT FORMS WITH ENOUGH MONEY TO PUT
FORMS WITH ENOUGH MONEY TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND LET THE
IT ON THE BALLOT AND LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE.
PEOPLE DECIDE. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
QUESTION. THERE WAS AN EFFORT BEING PUT IN
THERE WAS AN EFFORT BEING PUT IN PLACE RECENTLY TO DO THAT.
PLACE RECENTLY TO DO THAT. IT WENT NOWHERE.
IT WENT NOWHERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THEY DO RALLY.
THEY DO RALLY. THAT KIND OF POLLING, I DON'T
THAT KIND OF POLLING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE METHODOLOGY WAS IN
KNOW WHAT THE METHODOLOGY WAS IN THIS CURRENT POLL.
THIS CURRENT POLL. BUT THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY SPEND
BUT THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY SPEND MONEY ON THESE RACES, THEY'RE
MONEY ON THESE RACES, THEY'RE GOING TO DO EXHAUSTIVE POLLING
GOING TO DO EXHAUSTIVE POLLING BEFORE THEY COMMIT TO $1 MILLION
BEFORE THEY COMMIT TO $1 MILLION TO GET SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT
TO GET SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT THESE DAYS.
THESE DAYS. IT'S THE 31 ARTICLE I THINK OF
IT'S THE 31 ARTICLE I THINK OF OUR STATE CONSTITUTION, THE
OUR STATE CONSTITUTION, THE MARRIAGE AMENDMENT.
MARRIAGE AMENDMENT. IF THAT'S THE CASE, I THINK
IF THAT'S THE CASE, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF MONEY -- I THINK THEY HAVE THE
MONEY -- I THINK THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO RAISE THAT KIND OF
CAPACITY TO RAISE THAT KIND OF MONEY AND ARIZONA IS CLEARLY
MONEY AND ARIZONA IS CLEARLY SHOWING A MORE LIB TEAR STREAK
SHOWING A MORE LIB TEAR STREAK RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW. >> ANY OF THE POLLS SHOWED
>> ANY OF THE POLLS SHOWED WIDESPREAD OPPOSITION TO THE
WIDESPREAD OPPOSITION TO THE VETO THAT WOULD HAVE OVERRIDDEN
VETO THAT WOULD HAVE OVERRIDDEN ORDINANCES.
ORDINANCES. IT SEEMS LIKE LEGISLATION LIKE
IT SEEMS LIKE LEGISLATION LIKE THIS, THEY WORK AS A WEDGE ISSUE
THIS, THEY WORK AS A WEDGE ISSUE FOR REPUBLICANS AGAINST
FOR REPUBLICANS AGAINST DEMOCRATS ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO
DEMOCRATS ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO AND THAT'S FLIPPED AROUND.
AND THAT'S FLIPPED AROUND. THEY'RE BECOMING WEDGE ISSUES
THEY'RE BECOMING WEDGE ISSUES FOR REPUBLICANS.
FOR REPUBLICANS. >> I AGREE.
>> I AGREE. WE SAW THAT BY THE REPUBLICAN
WE SAW THAT BY THE REPUBLICAN GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES WHO
GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES WHO WERE RACING OVER EACH OTHER TO
WERE RACING OVER EACH OTHER TO SEE WHO COULD GET OUT FIRST.
SEE WHO COULD GET OUT FIRST. SCOTT SMITH WAS THE FIRST ONE
SCOTT SMITH WAS THE FIRST ONE FOLLOWED BY CHRISTINE JONES AND
FOLLOWED BY CHRISTINE JONES AND DOUG DUECY TOOK HIS TIME BECAUSE
DOUG DUECY TOOK HIS TIME BECAUSE HIS WAS BUSY CAMPAIGNING ACROSS
HIS WAS BUSY CAMPAIGNING ACROSS THE STATE.
THE STATE. I AGREE.
I AGREE. I THINK IT CAN BE DANGEROUS FOR
I THINK IT CAN BE DANGEROUS FOR YOU IF YOU ARE VIEWED AS
YOU IF YOU ARE VIEWED AS REPUBLICAN WHO AGREES WITH
REPUBLICAN WHO AGREES WITH DISCRIMINATION.
DISCRIMINATION. WHAT I THINK IS INTERESTING IS
WHAT I THINK IS INTERESTING IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE SB 1062 IN THE
PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE SB 1062 IN THE POLL VERSUS PEOPLE WHO ARE IN
POLL VERSUS PEOPLE WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF LEGALIZING GAY
FAVOR OF LEGALIZING GAY MARRIAGE.
MARRIAGE. THERE'S STILL A SPLIT THERE.
THERE'S STILL A SPLIT THERE. YOU STILL HAVE SOME PEOPLE
YOU STILL HAVE SOME PEOPLE POLLED WHO SAY SB 1062 IS WRONG,
POLLED WHO SAY SB 1062 IS WRONG, BUT I'M STILL NOT NECESSARILY
BUT I'M STILL NOT NECESSARILY DOWN FOR LEGALIZING GAY
DOWN FOR LEGALIZING GAY MARRIAGE.
MARRIAGE. AND TIM IS RIGHT.
AND TIM IS RIGHT. IT IS STILL SORT OF THE OLDER E
IT IS STILL SORT OF THE OLDER E ELECTORATE THAT SAYS WE HERE NOT
ELECTORATE THAT SAYS WE HERE NOT THERE YET.
THERE YET. WHEN YOU LOOK AT A STATE SWIED
WHEN YOU LOOK AT A STATE SWIED CONSTITUTION AMENDMENT, YOU'RE
CONSTITUTION AMENDMENT, YOU'RE LOOKING A HAVING TO HAVE NUMBERS
LOOKING A HAVING TO HAVE NUMBERS MUCH HIGHER THAN 49%, WHICH IS
MUCH HIGHER THAN 49%, WHICH IS WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO
SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS UNTIL
SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS UNTIL THAT NUMBERS BOUNCES UP I WOULD
THAT NUMBERS BOUNCES UP I WOULD SAY, A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE.
SAY, A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE. IT WENT UP FIVE POINTS OVER
IT WENT UP FIVE POINTS OVER THREE YEARS.
THREE YEARS. IF WE KEEP PACE WITH THAT, MAYBE
IF WE KEEP PACE WITH THAT, MAYBE NOT 2016 BUT MAYBE 2018.
NOT 2016 BUT MAYBE 2018. >> PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR
>> PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR MIGHT BE A BETTER YEAR.
MIGHT BE A BETTER YEAR. >> TIM YOU WANTED TO WEIGH IN.
>> TIM YOU WANTED TO WEIGH IN. >> THERE'S SORT OF A WILD CARD
>> THERE'S SORT OF A WILD CARD ISSUE IN THIS WHICH HAS BEEN THE
ISSUE IN THIS WHICH HAS BEEN THE TOPIC OF ISSUE FOR ME WHICH IS
TOPIC OF ISSUE FOR ME WHICH IS THE LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA.
THE LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA. IT'S VERY LIKELY TO BE ON THE
IT'S VERY LIKELY TO BE ON THE BALLOT IN 2016 AND I'M NOT SURE
BALLOT IN 2016 AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WOULD HELP OR HURT THE
IF THAT WOULD HELP OR HURT THE IDEA OF LEGALIZING GAY MARRIAGE.
IDEA OF LEGALIZING GAY MARRIAGE. I THINK IT MIGHT DIVIDE PEOPLE'S
I THINK IT MIGHT DIVIDE PEOPLE'S ATTENTION AND PERHAPS TAKE
ATTENTION AND PERHAPS TAKE PEOPLE'S ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE
PEOPLE'S ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE GAY MARRIAGE.
GAY MARRIAGE. I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE WOULD
I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE WOULD RISE TO THE TOP.
RISE TO THE TOP. >> I DISAGREE.
>> I DISAGREE. IF YOU PUT LEGALIZING MARIJUANA
IF YOU PUT LEGALIZING MARIJUANA ON THE BALLOT, WHAT IT DOES IS
ON THE BALLOT, WHAT IT DOES IS IT BRINGS OUT YOUNG VOTERS.
IT BRINGS OUT YOUNG VOTERS. IT'S THE YOUNG VOTERS WHO ARE
IT'S THE YOUNG VOTERS WHO ARE WILLING TO VOTE FOR LEGALIZING
WILLING TO VOTE FOR LEGALIZING GAY MARRIAGE.
GAY MARRIAGE. I SO I THINK IF YOU DID A DUAL
I SO I THINK IF YOU DID A DUAL PACKAGE, YOU WOULD SEE SOME, I
PACKAGE, YOU WOULD SEE SOME, I MEAN, YOUNGER VOTERS GETTING TO
MEAN, YOUNGER VOTERS GETTING TO THE POLLS.
THE POLLS. >> THEN THERE'S THE MONEY THING
>> THEN THERE'S THE MONEY THING THAT JONATHAN IS SO GOOD AT,
THAT JONATHAN IS SO GOOD AT, WHICH IS THERE ARE GOING TO BE
WHICH IS THERE ARE GOING TO BE FUND-RAISING FROM THE SAME POOLS
FUND-RAISING FROM THE SAME POOLS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT
IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO RAISE ENOUGH MONEY FOR BOTH
TO RAISE ENOUGH MONEY FOR BOTH EFFORTS.
EFFORTS. >> I WANTED TO MENTION JOHN
>> I WANTED TO MENTION JOHN McCAIN HAD THE WORST APPROVAL
McCAIN HAD THE WORST APPROVAL RATING OF THE COUNTRY, 30%
RATING OF THE COUNTRY, 30% APPROVAL, 54% DISAPPROVAL.
APPROVAL, 54% DISAPPROVAL. WHY DO YOU THINK McCAIN'S
WHY DO YOU THINK McCAIN'S NUMBERS ARE SO LOW?
NUMBERS ARE SO LOW? >> I THINK HE'S BEEN A VERY SORE
>> I THINK HE'S BEEN A VERY SORE LOSER.
LOSER. YOU KNOW, HE LOST THE
YOU KNOW, HE LOST THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE BUT HE SEEMS
PRESIDENTIAL RACE BUT HE SEEMS TO TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO
TO TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO DEEM PRESIDENT OBAMA AND I THINK
DEEM PRESIDENT OBAMA AND I THINK THAT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH THE
THAT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
AMERICAN PEOPLE. I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW I'M VERY
I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW I'M VERY GRATEFUL HE IS NOT THE SITTING
GRATEFUL HE IS NOT THE SITTING PRESIDENT GIVEN WHO IS GOING ON
PRESIDENT GIVEN WHO IS GOING ON IN RUSSIA AND GIVING HIS
IN RUSSIA AND GIVING HIS ATTITUDE TOWARD WHAT IS
ATTITUDE TOWARD WHAT IS DEVELOPING THERE.
DEVELOPING THERE. WE DO NOT WANT TO ENTER INTO
WE DO NOT WANT TO ENTER INTO WWIII HERE.
WWIII HERE. AND I THINK PEOPLE SEE ONCE HE
AND I THINK PEOPLE SEE ONCE HE WAS PUT ON A NATIONAL STAGE, I
WAS PUT ON A NATIONAL STAGE, I THINK THEY SAW AN UNDERBELLY TO
THINK THEY SAW AN UNDERBELLY TO HIM THAT THOSE OF US WHO HAD HAD
HIM THAT THOSE OF US WHO HAD HAD DEALINGS WITH HIM, WHEN I WAS AT
DEALINGS WITH HIM, WHEN I WAS AT THE NEWSPAPER HE SENT ME A
THE NEWSPAPER HE SENT ME A LETTER OF APOLOGY BECAUSE HE
LETTER OF APOLOGY BECAUSE HE WENT INTO A RAGE OVER A VERY
WENT INTO A RAGE OVER A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION.
SIMPLE QUESTION. HE HAS ANGER ISSUES.
HE HAS ANGER ISSUES. I THINK HE HAS BEEN A VERY
I THINK HE HAS BEEN A VERY FIERCE OPPONENT OF THE
FIERCE OPPONENT OF THE PRESIDENT'S UNNECESSARILY.
PRESIDENT'S UNNECESSARILY. AND LET'S NOT FORGET THAT HE
AND LET'S NOT FORGET THAT HE INTRODUCED THE WORLD TO SARA
INTRODUCED THE WORLD TO SARA PALIN AND I THINK AMERICANS HAVE
PALIN AND I THINK AMERICANS HAVE NOT QUITE FORGIVEN HIM FOR THAT
NOT QUITE FORGIVEN HIM FOR THAT YET.
YET. >> DO YOU THINK McCAIN WOULD BE
>> DO YOU THINK McCAIN WOULD BE VULNERABLE IF HE RUNS AGAIN IN
VULNERABLE IF HE RUNS AGAIN IN 2016?
2016? >> I JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT TAKE
>> I JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT TAKE I GUESS ON -- ALL OF THE REASONS
I GUESS ON -- ALL OF THE REASONS THAT WERE JUST GIVEN ARE NOT THE
THAT WERE JUST GIVEN ARE NOT THE REASONS WHY HIS NUMBERS ARE
REASONS WHY HIS NUMBERS ARE GOING DOWN.
GOING DOWN. HIS NUMBERS ARE GOING DOWN
HIS NUMBERS ARE GOING DOWN BECAUSE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT
BECAUSE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT HAPPY FOR THE EXACT REASON.
HAPPY FOR THE EXACT REASON. THEY FEEL THAT HE HASN'T BEEN
THEY FEEL THAT HE HASN'T BEEN STRONG ENOUGH ON A LOT OF THESE
STRONG ENOUGH ON A LOT OF THESE ISSUES REGARDING THE PRESIDENT
ISSUES REGARDING THE PRESIDENT ON IMMIGRATION, ON GUNS, ON A
ON IMMIGRATION, ON GUNS, ON A WHOLE HOST OF THINGS.
WHOLE HOST OF THINGS. >> HE'S MAKING BOTH SIDES
>> HE'S MAKING BOTH SIDES UNHAPPY?
UNHAPPY? >> CLEARLY.
>> CLEARLY. WHEN YOU MAKE EVERYBODY UNHAPPY,
WHEN YOU MAKE EVERYBODY UNHAPPY, SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT'S WHEN
SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE RIGHT, OTHERS SAY THAT'S
YOU'RE RIGHT, OTHERS SAY THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY OUT.
WHEN YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY OUT. I KNOW THAT A LOT OF REPUBLICANS
I KNOW THAT A LOT OF REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE BEEN BIG SUPPORTERS
THAT HAVE BEEN BIG SUPPORTERS FEEL THAT A LOT OF THESE ISSUES,
FEEL THAT A LOT OF THESE ISSUES, IT'S A BRIDGE TOO FAR.
IT'S A BRIDGE TOO FAR. AND THE ONLY ISSUE THAT THEY
AND THE ONLY ISSUE THAT THEY FEEL THAT HE'S GONE CONSISTENTLY
FEEL THAT HE'S GONE CONSISTENTLY TO THE RIGHT ON HAS BEEN FOREIGN
TO THE RIGHT ON HAS BEEN FOREIGN POLICY ISSUES.
POLICY ISSUES. AND RIGHT NOW THE LIB TARN
AND RIGHT NOW THE LIB TARN MOVEMENT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
MOVEMENT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS PRETTY STRONG.
IS PRETTY STRONG. I WOULD SAY, THOUGH, THAT I
I WOULD SAY, THOUGH, THAT I WOULD BE -- I WOULD WANT HIM TO
WOULD BE -- I WOULD WANT HIM TO BE THE PRESIDENT IF I WERE
BE THE PRESIDENT IF I WERE LIVING IN UKRAINE RIGHT NOW
LIVING IN UKRAINE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I THINK THAT WHAT THE
BECAUSE I THINK THAT WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN
PRESIDENT HAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN WAEL REALLY MUCH OF A RESPONSE
WAEL REALLY MUCH OF A RESPONSE SO FAR IS SHOCKING.
SO FAR IS SHOCKING. HAVING STUDIED IN RUSSIA AND
HAVING STUDIED IN RUSSIA AND HAVING WITNESSED WHAT FREEDOM,
HAVING WITNESSED WHAT FREEDOM, THAT BRIEF AMOUNT OF FREEDOM WAS
THAT BRIEF AMOUNT OF FREEDOM WAS THERE AND NOW IS BEING
THERE AND NOW IS BEING EXTINGUISHED IS NOW SHOCKING TO
EXTINGUISHED IS NOW SHOCKING TO ME.
ME. THERE'S GOING TO BE SERIOUS
THERE'S GOING TO BE SERIOUS PROBLEMS IN THE NEXT ELECTION
PROBLEMS IN THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE.
CYCLE. I THINK THE McCAIN CAMPAIGN
I THINK THE McCAIN CAMPAIGN KNOWS THAT.
KNOWS THAT. >
> >>> HE HAS REALLY MORE OF A
>>> HE HAS REALLY MORE OF A NATIONAL POLITICAL FIGURE THAN
NATIONAL POLITICAL FIGURE THAN HE IS AN ARIZONA FIGURE, EVEN
HE IS AN ARIZONA FIGURE, EVEN THOUGH HE REPRESENTS US ALL.
THOUGH HE REPRESENTS US ALL. HE MORE OR LESS SEEMS TO BE
HE MORE OR LESS SEEMS TO BE SPENDING HIS TIME AS A SHADOW
SPENDING HIS TIME AS A SHADOW SECRETARY OF STATE, A CONSTANT
SECRETARY OF STATE, A CONSTANT CRITIC ON FOREIGN POLICY.
CRITIC ON FOREIGN POLICY. THAT SEEMS TO BE HIS PASSION.
THAT SEEMS TO BE HIS PASSION. WHILE HE DOES COME HERE FOR THE
WHILE HE DOES COME HERE FOR THE OCCASIONAL FORUM AND OPEN HOUSE
OCCASIONAL FORUM AND OPEN HOUSE AND TAKES QUESTIONS WHICH IS
AND TAKES QUESTIONS WHICH IS SOMETHING HE LIKE TO DO, HE
SOMETHING HE LIKE TO DO, HE DOESN'T SEEM TO CARE ABOUT THE
DOESN'T SEEM TO CARE ABOUT THE LOCAL ISSUES.
LOCAL ISSUES. WHAT HE'S PASSIONATE ABOUT IS
WHAT HE'S PASSIONATE ABOUT IS THESE FOREIGN POLICY ISSUES AND
THESE FOREIGN POLICY ISSUES AND THE REST OF US ARE JUST KIND OF
THE REST OF US ARE JUST KIND OF WONDERING WHEN HE'LL PAY SOME
WONDERING WHEN HE'LL PAY SOME ATTENTION TO US.
ATTENTION TO US. >> AND JEFF FLAKE'S NUMBERS
>> AND JEFF FLAKE'S NUMBERS AREN'T MUCH BETTER, 27%
AREN'T MUCH BETTER, 27% APPROVAL.
APPROVAL. >> THAT'S MIST FIEING TO ME.
>> THAT'S MIST FIEING TO ME. HE HASN'T DONE A LOT IN HIS
HE HASN'T DONE A LOT IN HIS SHORT TIME IN OFFICE AND I WOULD
SHORT TIME IN OFFICE AND I WOULD THINK IT WOULD MOSTLY REFLECT
THINK IT WOULD MOSTLY REFLECT DISAPPROVAL OF CONGRESS IN
DISAPPROVAL OF CONGRESS IN GENERAL WITHIN INCLUDING THE
GENERAL WITHIN INCLUDING THE SENATE.
SENATE. >> JONATHAN, WHAT ABOUT -- IS
>> JONATHAN, WHAT ABOUT -- IS THIS THE SAME THING WHERE
THIS THE SAME THING WHERE DEMOCRATS ARE INCLINED TO
DEMOCRATS ARE INCLINED TO DISLIKE HIM NATURALLY BUT HE'S
DISLIKE HIM NATURALLY BUT HE'S ALSO UPSET REPUBLICANS WITH
ALSO UPSET REPUBLICANS WITH IMMIGRATION REFORM?
IMMIGRATION REFORM? >> IT'S POSSIBLE.
>> IT'S POSSIBLE. BUT I THINK TO BE HONEST WITH
BUT I THINK TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE ONE BIG ADVANTAGE HE
YOU, THE ONE BIG ADVANTAGE HE HAS IS HE DOESN'T HAVE AN
HAS IS HE DOESN'T HAVE AN ELECTION UNTIL 2018.
ELECTION UNTIL 2018. IT'S MORE OF A PROBLEM FOR
IT'S MORE OF A PROBLEM FOR McCAIN WHOSE ELECTION IS
McCAIN WHOSE ELECTION IS IMMINENT.
IMMINENT. E AND WE'RE SEEING PROBLEMS IN
E AND WE'RE SEEING PROBLEMS IN THE PRIMARY AND THE GENERAL.
THE PRIMARY AND THE GENERAL. THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE EXTREMELY
THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE EXTREMELY VULNERABLE.
VULNERABLE. I DON'T THINK AS FAR AS JEFF
I DON'T THINK AS FAR AS JEFF FLAKE IS CONCERNED.
FLAKE IS CONCERNED. IT COULD BE THAT HE'S JUST
IT COULD BE THAT HE'S JUST STARTING OUT.
STARTING OUT. YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN SUPPORTIVE
YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF SENATOR McCAIN.
OF SENATOR McCAIN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASONS
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASONS ARE.
ARE. I HAVEN'T SEE ANY BREAKOUTS OF
I HAVEN'T SEE ANY BREAKOUTS OF POLLING.
POLLING. HE HAS PLENTY OF TIME TO MAKE UP
HE HAS PLENTY OF TIME TO MAKE UP FOR THAT.
FOR THAT. >> WE ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO
>> WE ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO BEING DONE WITH THE SHOW AND I
BEING DONE WITH THE SHOW AND I DEFINITELY WANT TO TALK ABOUT
DEFINITELY WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE
SOME OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE CAPITAL AND THE CPS REFORM.
CAPITAL AND THE CPS REFORM. WE HAD THE CASE AGAIN THIS WEEK,
WE HAD THE CASE AGAIN THIS WEEK, VERY SAD STORY OF A
VERY SAD STORY OF A THREE-YEAR-OLD BOY'S BODY FOUND
THREE-YEAR-OLD BOY'S BODY FOUND AND APPARENTLY CPS WAS INVOLVED
AND APPARENTLY CPS WAS INVOLVED WITH THE FAMILY AT SOME POINT.
WITH THE FAMILY AT SOME POINT. THIS WAS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS
THIS WAS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT JAN BREWER CAME OUT WITH
THAT JAN BREWER CAME OUT WITH EARLY IN THE SESSION.
EARLY IN THE SESSION. SHE IS CPS REFORM IS WHERE WE
SHE IS CPS REFORM IS WHERE WE NEED TO FOE KUG KUS OUR
NEED TO FOE KUG KUS OUR ATTENTION THIS YEAR.
ATTENTION THIS YEAR. WHERE IS THIS GOING, TIM?
WHERE IS THIS GOING, TIM? WE HAVEN'T SEEN A WHOLE LOT.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN A WHOLE LOT. A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES.
A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES. >> ONE OF JAN BREWER'S
>> ONE OF JAN BREWER'S COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT WAS THAT IT
COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT WAS THAT IT WAS THE FIRST BILL TO LAND ON
WAS THE FIRST BILL TO LAND ON HER DESK WHERE SHE THOUGHT THERE
HER DESK WHERE SHE THOUGHT THERE WERE MORE SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES TO
WERE MORE SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES TO DEAL WITH.
DEAL WITH. I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE IN
I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE IN PHOENIX PAY THAT MUCH ATTENTION
PHOENIX PAY THAT MUCH ATTENTION TO WHAT HAPPENS DOWN HERE.
TO WHAT HAPPENS DOWN HERE. THIS IS, AGAIN, ANOTHER REALLY
THIS IS, AGAIN, ANOTHER REALLY SHOCKING EXAMPLE OF WHAT CAN GO
SHOCKING EXAMPLE OF WHAT CAN GO WRONG.
WRONG. I'M NOT SAYING THAT CPS IS
I'M NOT SAYING THAT CPS IS NECESSARILY AT FAULT HERE, BUT
NECESSARILY AT FAULT HERE, BUT THEY HAD INVOLVEMENT WITH THE
THEY HAD INVOLVEMENT WITH THE FAMILY AND ALLOWED THE CHILD TO
FAMILY AND ALLOWED THE CHILD TO GO BACK WITH SOMEONE WHO
GO BACK WITH SOMEONE WHO EVENTUALLY LET HIM DIE.
EVENTUALLY LET HIM DIE. SO IT'S GOT TO BE A PRIORITY AND
SO IT'S GOT TO BE A PRIORITY AND PERHAPS THEY CAN LEVERAGE THIS
PERHAPS THEY CAN LEVERAGE THIS INTO SOME ACTION.
INTO SOME ACTION. >> AND JONATHAN, YOU WORKED ON
>> AND JONATHAN, YOU WORKED ON SOME CPS ISSUES IN THE PAST.
SOME CPS ISSUES IN THE PAST. >> I THINK THAT ONE OF THE
>> I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED
THINGS THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW, IS THE ONLY REASON WE
RIGHT NOW, IS THE ONLY REASON WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE CALL CENTER
FOUND OUT ABOUT THE CALL CENTER PROBLEMS AND THE FACT THAT THERE
PROBLEMS AND THE FACT THAT THERE WERE KIDS THAT WERE NOT BEING
WERE KIDS THAT WERE NOT BEING INVESTIGATED, SOMEONE FROM THE
INVESTIGATED, SOMEONE FROM THE OUTSIDE WAS EMBEDDED IN THERE
OUTSIDE WAS EMBEDDED IN THERE AND ABLE TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING
AND ABLE TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON.
ON. RIGHT NOW IF YOU WANT TO GET
RIGHT NOW IF YOU WANT TO GET PUBLIC RECORDS IN CPS TO FIND
PUBLIC RECORDS IN CPS TO FIND OUT THEIR INVOLVE NMT A FATALITY
OUT THEIR INVOLVE NMT A FATALITY OR NEAR FATALITY, YOU HAVE TO GO
OR NEAR FATALITY, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LAWYERS AT THE AG'S
THROUGH THE LAWYERS AT THE AG'S OFFICE.
OFFICE. THEY HAVE ADVISED BASICALLY FROM
THEY HAVE ADVISED BASICALLY FROM THE TIME OF JANET THAT PAL TAN
THE TIME OF JANET THAT PAL TAN NO THROUGH TOM HORN, THEY'VE
NO THROUGH TOM HORN, THEY'VE ADVISED NOT TO RELEASE ANYTHING.
ADVISED NOT TO RELEASE ANYTHING. THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET
THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET ACCOUNTABILITY IS TO FIND OUT
ACCOUNTABILITY IS TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND
EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THE MISTAKES THEY'RE MAKING.
THE MISTAKES THEY'RE MAKING. IF YOU'RE ACTIVITY BLOCKING THAT
IF YOU'RE ACTIVITY BLOCKING THAT BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THESE
BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THESE LAWYERS SAYING THAT THEY CAN'T
LAWYERS SAYING THAT THEY CAN'T RELEASE ANYTHING, I THINK THAT'S
RELEASE ANYTHING, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY DIFFICULT
GOING TO BE A VERY DIFFICULT HURDLE FOR THEM TO GET OVER.
HURDLE FOR THEM TO GET OVER. >> AND A MINUTE LEFT HERE.
>> AND A MINUTE LEFT HERE. I WANT TO GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE
I WANT TO GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON BOTH WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH
ON BOTH WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH CPS AND WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE
CPS AND WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE TO HELP KIDS.
DONE TO HELP KIDS. >> I AGREE WITH JONATHAN IN
>> I AGREE WITH JONATHAN IN TERMS OF ALL RECORDS THAT CAN BE
TERMS OF ALL RECORDS THAT CAN BE RELEASED SHOULD BE RELEASED AND
RELEASED SHOULD BE RELEASED AND THE LAW SHOULD REALLY NOT BE
THE LAW SHOULD REALLY NOT BE PROTECTING AN AGENCY IF IT'S NOT
PROTECTING AN AGENCY IF IT'S NOT DOING ITS JOB.
DOING ITS JOB. BUT IN SAYING THAT, I DO THINK
BUT IN SAYING THAT, I DO THINK PERHAPS WE NEED SOME OUTSIDE
PERHAPS WE NEED SOME OUTSIDE AUDITS DONE REGULARLY OF CPS,
AUDITS DONE REGULARLY OF CPS, NOT FROM WITHIN BUT FAR OUTSIDE
NOT FROM WITHIN BUT FAR OUTSIDE THE SYSTEM AND GET NATIONAL
THE SYSTEM AND GET NATIONAL EXPERTS TO COME IN AND REGULARLY
EXPERTS TO COME IN AND REGULARLY REVIEW WHAT IS GOING ON THERE.
REVIEW WHAT IS GOING ON THERE. BUT LET'S NOT FORGET THAT WE
BUT LET'S NOT FORGET THAT WE HAVE HAD A LACK OF ENOUGH
HAVE HAD A LACK OF ENOUGH CASEWORKERS WITHIN CPS NOW,
CASEWORKERS WITHIN CPS NOW, THERE ARE BEEN EFFORTS TO
THERE ARE BEEN EFFORTS TO RESTORE THOSE THIS YEAR.
RESTORE THOSE THIS YEAR. BUT WHEN THE CUTS BEGAN BACK IN
BUT WHEN THE CUTS BEGAN BACK IN 2008 AND 2009, CPS LOST HUNDREDS
2008 AND 2009, CPS LOST HUNDREDS OF CASEWORKERS BECAUSE OF THE
OF CASEWORKERS BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET CUTS.
BUDGET CUTS. THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT
THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BUT THE
COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BUT THE GOVERNOR AND THE STATE
GOVERNOR AND THE STATE LEGISLATURE DID NOT DO THOSE
LEGISLATURE DID NOT DO THOSE THINGS.
THINGS. SENATOR PAYTON AT THE TIME
SENATOR PAYTON AT THE TIME WARNED THAT CHILDREN WERE GOING
WARNED THAT CHILDREN WERE GOING TO DIE AND HE WAS CORRECT.
TO DIE AND HE WAS CORRECT. WE'VE HAD CHILDREN THAT HAVE
WE'VE HAD CHILDREN THAT HAVE DIED BECAUSE OF WHAT TOOK PLACE
DIED BECAUSE OF WHAT TOOK PLACE AT THAT TIME BECAUSE OF THE
AT THAT TIME BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET CUTS.
BUDGET CUTS. >> THERE'S A LOT LEFT TO TALK
>> THERE'S A LOT LEFT TO TALK ABOUT ON THE TABLE.
ABOUT ON THE TABLE. MAYBE WE NEED TO GO AN HOUR-LONG
MAYBE WE NEED TO GO AN HOUR-LONG SHOW