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elliottartstur dial-up infield yes and we've got about a quarter of
unscientific america how scientific illiteracy threatens our future
grocery cart all along with your own personal melberg crystallizes them
visible so what would work and this is fresh look at this
hard-pressed um idea new york times bestseller earlier the republican warren
science
and that's what i'd like to start with com
now i know you say we have a problem with the size of the country
ideally two main causes are to ours
republicans and with
now i want you tell me it won the problems of those create them into if i
am
you know leaving other things out so let's start right as the law that knocks
out loves it
you know right there in the
republicans
climate change
if you are a republican and you don't want to do with the cell gore businesses
for your party identity
to reject the science on most critical environmental issues
in many ways the most critical national security issue that we have
so they're different off to the sciences groupware about religion
evolution
visible fundamentalist swap of the country that just will not accept
the size of a rich in which is you know more than fifty years old under fifty
years old this year and i may think it's assault on their faith giving full
from pulpits that they just cannot accept that or else they can't be good
christians
is actually wrong
but that's they're being told so so that does not go out of the the the antipathy
toward science a physics pouring it down
sued because naturally there's logically speaking there's no reason why i want a
lot of various countries the world bring ice is america
should be a poster size of this
is actually quite literally nothing to be opposed to sized isn't an ideology
its
facts you know we do a testament to the turns out your ideology
was false
didn't evidence will and make this premise approval for stuff so it's like
arguing guess map
two plus two equals forum no matter how much you want to be equal fiber three
but yet in this country day riskin organized effort against science
now one part of that is religion of course because of evolution and and you
know genesis and stuff
but other parties
let me run this through right
the republicans don't want you to have the facts
that's why they attack science that's why the attack journalism that's why the
attack
higher education because they want to listen to propaganda and not the facts
now i might over stretching by saying that are giving us right now it is very
active in they want to create their own bubble
around their people their followers is a big even their own
it tell you this actor was in the beginning on me
knowledge that higher education but to give them their own universities right
and the idea is to create a whole republican reality it's counter to you
know that supports what they want to do anyway and that's what's so hard to find
common ground on any issue right is because they've got all the you can't
you can if you can agree on the fax you never get policy so i think the second
layer of this problem
that now the media feels a special political media feels that it is there
shall not call everything fifty-fifth
and if you have the group of americans think you will see this warning of
another group saying to both of those five
and the media has to pretend that they're both equally valid
isn't the
the plainfield tilted against reality
as suicide is hate this
and this happens on some of the key issues that climate change urban studies
done showing that throughout the nineties many leading journals of the
newspapers fitted to the balanced account global warming on the one hand
on the other hand would really wasn't that one of their story
the scientists were forming and establishing a consensus position that
was the humans are causing global warming
it's even worse now cause we argue in the new book with science journalists
are losing their jobs
across the country the people who are most likely you know how to cover these
stories they understand science
does the people there they're losing positions newspaper industry and why is
that chris
will the newspaper industry is having to cut jobs and one of the key
well they keep the sports section they keep the horoscope the science writers
specialist often it just doesn't doesn't seem worth pertaining so let's go to
that part of it don't you think that
those political problems have translated to a situation
where science is simply not valued enough in this culture
and then is you not mine
out of the sandwiches a that'll be our undoing but that presents a significant
national problem for us yeni
you the other countries it realizes sciences their future okay in south
korea singapore china india you know
they're putting everything into this because they know that it's going to
lead to economic growth and certainly the prosperity
we had a moment like that it was the fifties and sixties where we felt that
way and so far away from that now
americans you know you pull them
they'll say that you know science is going to be a good feelings towards it
very few can name a living scientist you know to something like eighty percent
can actually made a living american scientist the first time ago stephen
hawking
british guys actually live you know it takes it takes a while to get an
american they're not tuned in
to the this world's of signs of what's going on in
you so much some of what's changed there and we're trying to pursue it is a lot
is upon scientific america
of why were we in the signs the fifties and sixties
and how did we lose our momentum
wells global rights of the experts but nick
and were scared and we like we're not going to get ahead of us unstable area
that's what i've got to stay ahead of us
we're going to stand as a space program we're going in that sold is money
and not just you know creating that's uh... but scientific research science
education careers for scientists all these careers are creating universities
with government money
and we've built a scientific establishment that became the best in
the world and it still is the best in the world up to the present moment
that a lot of things happen you know it's forty years almost everyday
after we landed on the moon and there was a fixer the decline of interest in
size so that you don't let me then given you'd give you my theory and that has a
core alert or anything
at the it seems to me that we got lazy
that once we have competition we had to figure out the best way just like if
you're in the middle of a war
and you're with losing in your big trouble you gotta figure out how to beat
that enemy is quickly as you possibly can to get to find the best catapult
near enough time to figure out you know
and if somebody says to him what if we fight invisible catapults
he said look either and so we're all that and i don't have enough is enough
room
catapults
but if you're willing comfortably
ami of just kickin *** somebody says they were acquired with no doubt will
feel like i'm sure why not
whatever you have an article of the road
right right
so i don't know why i got about a lot of it yet
but we also got politicized and in this was that of a consensus at that time you
know it was the handout for mice and how it can be republican democrat
both agreed about the importance of science you know there was no partisan
bickering over
defective yet that the space program we have to be competitive now that you know
that the story of the seventies the eighties assistant part the story of the
rise of the republican party is
disobeying
in the reagan you know revolution which changed our politics and science aside
from person of the summer policies and when you think it changed and he was a
reaganite
phyllis reagan it was starting to change before that despite all of our daily
that i might have been yelling right
but i feel like it was really the bush years the second bush your i don't have
could we wanted to see if you have specific moment in time where they
enzyme
get a sense of duty w_ bush was
well you just throw back
and in reagan was different and bush to as well but
but during the reagan years reagan brings together the republican collision
investigative the religious conservatives
and the anti tax people and the corporate america i don't want
regulation people and they've been fun this coalition that they were very
successfully
and that is in a decides coalition in the sense that the religious people
quantified evolution to see that moral majority jerry falwell really powerful
done
generating erin reagan says things in seattle the ***
hearing you that uh... you get industry so you know they're attacking the
science of the things like that chlorofluorocarbons stuff like that so
that's the same that's the same kind of stuff he saw a bush too
just sort of carried over the same kind of tendency you know i it's probably a
simple answer which is a reagan starts the ball rolling out of us yet
and then joys of the bushes takes over the top out every single issue
at that point within the republican party becomes fully captured by the
religious right here
and by corporations and was it captured by the corporations
than exxon mobil they don't want you to find out the real science this is the
cost of money
i get their motivations yeah right
so and then once you have a full capsular bowling party than then they
become officially emphasize party
and of course think in a long term as a disastrous place to be politically
and right now they're we're getting to be in long term yet another set of
casting about a month to see
as another leader rises in interest
mccain when he was in running for president is actually pretty precise guy
yeah until he had to go to jail cell bad taste that's always there for that but
violation there was not a christian and he saw her unscientific america
salami book and we'll put up for a right away i mean per slide were of course we
on for starcom
and so
uh... how do you fight back against genesis i mean that's a pretty thick ok
because people will say hey look this is my faith this is my religion you can
argue with it
act yet
it's just not true i mean they're raho right
and so it's not right because
they live in this hermetically sealed environment where basically they got
their pastor and that the neighbors know agree
right and if you attack
from the outsider like you're a liberal elitists
and they've already told us to be wary of people like it with your evolution
and uh... you know they're not going to listen so if your view tongue
and i think perspective
if so so uh... i mean
diesel is incredibly difficult to get and this is what we have a culture war
and slowly arrestee simply states but
if you want to do anything i think what you have to do is yet to figure out the
motivations of people and why they're having problems with science you gotta
figure out the messengers that might be able to reach them and in many cases i
think it's a scientist
whose religious
can go in and say you know what you guys have been told wrong i'm of the
christian and evolution is no problem for me you know god made all email
evolution to
yeah of course yet do you know there is no logical reason why
you can't believe in some sort of got our spirituality and still believe in
science and now of course the problem is that you can't believe the science and
literally believe the religious texts
right that that's the issue became really really now earl c will be you'll
definitely be have problems right
and if you read it and let them no one really that's their faking today think
for the end of the aisle
medium dot on every common in that place and i guess in the cold
performers or who knows afterwards it doesn't matter cause logically it's
impossible to carry out
and it and that's why they'll pick and choose so they'll see don't eat shrimp
otherwise god will hate you know like i don't like that part of an ignore that
part
i don't like a deeply yes i like this one we could use this one
so
that i think that we get the on liberalism
that we need to be on a lot of no i think that that's that's
in jesus fundamentalism biblical it was a really the same thing
right alright while so it really everybody and of course he got to
remember announced in the book a lot
this is how we win ok we win with facts we win with science
and if we don't do it and then turns out china's ins fasteners
we have no one to blame but ourselves the book is called unscientific america
house scientific illiteracy threatens our future
thanks so much for coming to this rate to do with you