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>> ABSOLUTELY.
IN FACT, I'D GO ONE STEP
FURTHER.
I THINK SOME OF THESE EMBASSIES
NEED TO BE UNDER MILITARY
CONTROL AND NOT STATE
DEPARTMENT.
I THINK ONE OF THE MISTAKES WE
MADE IN LIBYA AND I DON'T THINK
THEY'VE YET RECOGNIZED THE
MISTAKE IS BENGHAZI IS MORE LIKE
BAGDAD THAN IT IS PARIS.
I THINK WE TREATED THE EMBASSY
AND CONSULATE IN BENGHAZI LIKE
PARIS, A MARINE HERE, OR TWO.
WE HAD AN UNOFFICIAL MILITIA
GUARDING OUR AMBASSADOR.
I THINK BENGHAZI STILL THEY
HAVEN'T LEARNED THE LESSON.
I WOULD PUT IT UNDER MILITARY
CONTROL RATHER THAN STATE
DEPARTMENT CONTROL.
>> WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT
BLUNDER?
>> I THINK ULTIMATELY THE BUCK
STOPS WITH HILLARY CLINTON IF
NOT THE PRESIDENT.
THE OTHER THING IS ULTIMATELY
FOR SIX MONTHS THERE WERE THESE
REQUESTS FOR SECURITY, FOR
ADDITIONAL SECURITY AND
AMBASSADOR PICKERING SAID IT
DIDN'T EVER RISE UP TO THE LEVEL
OF HILLARY CLINTON.
I SAY THAT'S PRECISELY HER
CULPABILITY.
THAT'S A DECISION THAT SHOULD
HAVE RISEN TO HER LEVEL.
I DO FAULT HER FOR NOT GETTING
INVOLVED ENOUGH IN ONE OF THE
MOST TROUBLESOME COUNTRY ON THE
PLANET?
>> NOW THAT THE WHITE HOUSE HAS
RELEASED THE TRANSCRIPTS OF THE
E-MAILS, LEADING THE THE TALKING
POINTS, THE VARIOUS ITERATIONS
OF THOSE TALKING POINTS THAT LED
THE U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.
TO GO OUT ON THE SUNDAY SHOW AND
MAKE THE SUGGESTIONS SHE WAS
MAKING ABOUT DEMONSTRATIONS AND
ALL OF THAT, ARE YOU SATISFIED
NOW THAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH ALL
THOSE E-MAILS THAT THERE WAS NO
POLITICAL COVERUP?
>> WELL, I'M STILL UNCLEAR
WHY -- I THINK THERE WAS A
COVERUP OR A MISDIRECTION
CAMPAIGN BY THE PRESIDENT AND
HIS PEOPLE.
I'M STILL UNSURE WHY THEY WERE
TRYING TO DO IT.
DID THEY THINK ANYBODY WAS GOING
TO BELIEVE THIS HAD NOTHING TO
DO WITH TERRORISM?
I GUESS WHAT TROUBLES ME IS WHEN
HILLARY CLINTON CAME BEFORE OUR
COMMITTEE, SHE SAID SHE HAD
NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TALKING
POINTS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT HER E-MAILS
THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE HER
SPOKESMAN, VICTORIA NULAND IS
SAYING YOU'VE GOT TO REMOVE THE
TERRORISM QUOTES BECAUSE THERE
COULD BE POLITICAL
RAMIFICATIONS.
THIS IS HILLARY CLINTON'S
SPOKESMAN.
UNLESS HILLARY CLINTON'S
SPOKESMAN DOESN'T SPEAK FOR HER,
THIS REALLY DOES DRAW HILLARY
CLINTON INTO THIS.
IT PUTS HER FINGERPRINTS ALL
OVER THESE TALKING POINTS.
>> THERE'S NO APPARENT EVIDENCE
THAT VICTORIA NULAND DIRECTLY
GOT INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE
SECRETARY OF STATE, RIGHT?
>> WELL, I THINK WHAT SHE SAYS
IN THE E-MAILS IS SHE DISCUSSED
IT WITH THE STATE DEPARTMENT
LEADERSHIP.
>> SHE DOES SAY THAT.
>> I'M WONDERING WHO THE STATE
DEPARTMENT LEADERSHIP IS IF IT'S
NOT HILLARY CLINTON.
>> IT COULD BE A DEPUTY
SECRETARY, COULD BE ASSISTANT
SECRETARIES.
THERE'S OTHER LAYERS OF
LEADERSHIP.
>> YEAH, MAYBE.
BUT THE THING IS WE'RE IN A
SITUATION WHERE THIS IS
OCCUPYING YOU WOULD THINK ALMOST
EVERY MOMENT OF CONCERN.
IT'S A HUGE DISASTER.
AN AMBASSADOR HAS BEEN KILLED.
YOU HAVE HILLARY CLINTON ON THE
PHONE AT 2:00 A.M. WITH GREG
HICKS OVER IN LIBYA.
SO YOU HAVE TO WONDER THAT
SOMEHOW SHE'S NO LONGER INVOLVED
IN THE LOOP WITH HER SPOKESMAN
WHO IS TALKING ABOUT HOW TO --
THE POLITICAL JUDGMENTS OF THE