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you think that people need to be arms to protect themselves mcgovern ice you know
i suppose in congress july fourth seventeen seventy-six thomas jefferson
the declaration of independence wrote
speaking of king george the third
uh...
or actually was the second
now is the third by the time he has kept among us in times of peace standing
armies without the consent of our legislatures
and i setting setting up the uh... ball for you to uh... on the t here few knock
it out
uh...
uh... here's an example okay in nineteen sixty seven i was in the eighties second
airborne division
uh... the whole first brigade was trained in riot training and or no
winner
and then the summer sixty seven when they had riots picked up my battalion to
detroit stopped the riots there
uh... we took a it so well why don't you worry if you're in the army here you
were in the national guard
i was in the active army in nineteen eighty seven is a violation of the
pascal at essar
or whatever
well we got barrel we stop the whole problem within twenty four hours but we
shot a lot of people
more about like a postcard also he is shot ameena as an american soldier he
shot american citizens civilians on american soil
correct that's a bad that sustain on our history
you know i'm not breaking out about it and speaking of the situation i said you
were doing a bit of people
had been martin
they could've resisted much better than what they created
and it took a whole battalion to calm down a city that it did
terms of a popular uprising against uh... repressed of a government
the american people could stop by repressive government if they were on
the print model aren't
they're going to have happened to same thing happened to the people don't let
me ask you a question jim here here
by uh... i'm sure you have a passing familiarity at least with modern
weaponry modern military went under
uh... if
let's say year battalion were to show up in a city in the united states that was
experiencing an insurrection and if the civilians of that city were armed with
uh...
everything from
pistols to assault weapons
uh... what would you all do
we have a real power amps don't think i'll tell you how r u nobel pratt
are will also ordered a respectable we went to
santo domingo in the dominican republic
for that uprising right and and you didn't go in
well maybe did that day i it seems to me like the smart way it would not be to go
in with a bunch of for soldiers carrying weapons that are basically matched
weapon for weapon against the civilians
the the smart way to go in a few of the military is with black hawk helicopters
and as uh... you know as much as i hate to say unsmarmy ways maybe the wrong way
to say that
but you know with with weapons of mass destruction you know with with with
bombs and and uh... you know
gatling guns that are mounted on on helicopters and and fighter jets and and
isn't that in your mind what would have been the next step in detroit if the
citizenry was armed you dunwoody just taken out in tyre city blocks with
rockets
and live so how could you know if the how can you still make a case
that this is a very should be arms to stop an oppressive government
really the case you're making is a case the jefferson made but the founders in
framers made that the military ship always be under civilian control
that these that the chief executive of the of the military
the commander in chief of the military should be the elected president of the
united states not somebody who was a professional military person
import we were there i'll be jury was the president i'd always at columbia
armani
he also status to the american republic
and i know that you would be fair because what we do it
pre-op and bomb oregon but had to go to the point the point that i'm making is
that your argument
that americans should be
arms to the teeth
with small small arms
in order to overcome and a in oppressive government should that day ever come
that argument doesn't make any sense because if you have a genuinely o
present government they're gonna kick your
asif all you've got is an assault weapon
but this same program
we had the weapon they can only control city the countryside they could not
control just like in afghanistan goodbyes course they could well you know
that's that's what the nickname palm for
but we are not going out there in the cause
and those people overcast real war
and they don't care good reporting just so ever leave them alone we don't have
all afghanistan because they are fighting for their home
and that's why i don't think that you will ever see a successful totalitarian
takeover of the united states is genuinely successful
too talented to tell cherian takeover of this country
because people and that he would ever see that of any country
long-term
you might see it that would last for of uh... decade you might see it that would
last even for a generation or two
uh... in north korea case in point
but eventually it will crumble
because people will fight for their homes people will fight for their
families
and and so film rather than army in the populace because we're afraid that
england back style someday the government's going common gifts
uh... i think that what we should be doing is strengthening the institutions
of civil society
so that we have a stronger say in who and what who our government is what its
policies
or are you going to i really do not at all and a half percent of the problem
just wanted to give you experience
okay by me and i personally feel *** cheney had his way and things went wrong
like a big economic pressure some he'd be a guy who will try to attempt
something like that you know i'd you know i don't disagree they detected
cheney was he'll be in large part but my understanding is behind the effort to do
away with posse comitatus laws
that they'd go back to the eighteen sixties that said or eighteen
settlements of the said that
the u_s_ military may never turned their guns on u_s_ civilians
and antler still i don't think the uh... you know a bunch of people you me my
brother my unify friends whatever a bunch of us armed with anything from a
twenty-two used to be no charter pistol
to uh... tree fifty-seven you know madam to to to frankly uh... you know uh...
uh... at leuzzi with fifty-round clip
were actin a stop
you know i a the army we're not gonna stop navy seals
we're not going to stop the u_s_ air force where i can stop the marine corps
they're gonna they're gonna come in and if we try and fight back they're going
below us tube to tube to smithereens
so do you know the the the way to deal with an oppressive government
is not to arm yourself to the teeth
the way to deal with an oppressive government
is to speak out very loudly when the government takes all the small
incremental steps
and uh... and you know we can we can see the history of this back in the bid for
santa twenty century in europe
when the government takes those small incremental steps towards tyranny
like you know
clamping down on individual groups clamping down on and on the right to
free speech
invading our privacy i mean there's a bill right now is being debated in
congress badly just polled
it before yesterday his uh... support for this bill you can see a of the video
of it over a timer and a comma might might talking with uh... in east an
eviction last night
from you know one of the wannabes privacy groups
that says that basically in the fed skin andrea if the jury in all day long if
they want without ajay without a warrant in violation of the fourth amendment
we need to be standing dared not standing someplace out on a street
corner with a loaded pistol
it would be average
person the average voter more worry about picking johnnie go a little league
unmarried soccer gone they are there and freedom well and concluded that the
editing john and a little league in marietta soccer is part of our freedom
samba not you know i don't disagree with the average american is not all that
well informed about politics or about the direction their countries go
what will leave it at that jim thank you very much for the call