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one of the issues you know that it isn't necessarily it
pressing as far as leading the new stories but it is certainly compelling
ice covered by a bribe end of the boston globe in an article he is written
about a review of nuclear strategy for the united states brian what leon church
arial if reason enough reason in boston
i'm excited b c you know they are increasing but you know well if you are
in boston i think you'd be colder but uh... that thanks for joining us you
know i a bright in reading this article it
it's an article that feels that he could have been written in nineteen sixty-five
to to a certain extent allen and uh... at because it is talking about our old
enemy rather than uh... some of our newer enemies at a time when all we hear
on the on sunday
is about our our new enemies and but this is really important stuff give us a
little a little background to what's going on that with with or bombers
planned for buford you know
dcn the number of uh... of
the weapons in the world
we're prevented them but canada office
uh... on this pledge that he was going to tryin
deemphasized nuclear weapons
america's security policy and
he built upon that last april when you give a speech in prague
but he sketched out a long-term vision for world without nuclear weapons
and as part of
off
what he's trying to do the pentagon is reviewing
all the nuclear complex
from becoming a nuclear posture review which has been done
at other times over the years but this one of the world that's what i think
because the marching orders going in
have been to really take a hard look at
some of the
underlined
functions
why we still have sultans of nuclear war and
almost two decades after the cold war and
well i think we try to do is to go out and actually feed from of the nuclear
or total we went to
a missile base out in montana
for becoming a nuclear submarine and the thank you get your trip
you know uh... the day-to-day operations of really haven't changed all that much
you know we have many
hundreds perhaps thousands of little still targeted at russia
part
and
you know from obama top advisers and starting to question
soon will you know
why is that
why would still
postured for the cold war when the cold war is over it's good for me to talk to
put this wait for that
an alien look down on the first
from bars
they would be very relevant to the cold war ever and compete for united states
and russia with missiles
player took and one of the things i've been told and i don't know if this came
up in your
your travels are not of the president's investigations is that much of the
electronics and computer technology used
to drive the this uh... at this arsenal is also very archaic it's as if we were
using uh... old-fashioned cod desktop computers to protect the world from
annihilation bit did did you talk about that at all the age of the technology
well i think that
one of the issues it is also being looked at
is no it's not just
side of the arsenal but it
you know what makes a run in you know they are very very good
there from older technology that
you know could be phased out alarm
one of the things we came across that was
kind of interesting is that
even though they are short ralph he's
virtually unchanged from what it looked like ten or fifteen or twenty years ago
yeah i think you have changed it
they refuse shortage of people in the military and in the department of energy
who actually
going to a nuclear test
armed discovered sexy thing to do anymore if you're in the air force
you know the second thing is to fight terrorism not uh...
said in a command center twenty five p underground
the middle of montana anger for one of what i think they're going to have to do
is even if they the duty oracle quite dramatically i think
obama
and you could buy thurs
pretty convinced that there's going to happen for a new investments not just
the technology
to make sure that the article we have left
he's credible and works
investing in a new generation of young people whose needs are met
at you know we're talking the boston globe brian bender bryant one of the one
of the things that sort of occurred to me as i was reading it again as they did
celtic it
like it was a man it felt like i throw back i mean archaic stuff that we're
still talking about this appointment to russia
the i come at this with a tremendous amount of knife tenement and one of the
questions i have for you is how it pertains to the war were fighting now i
mean we say they are aimed at russia there pointed to russia etcetera
etcetera
how simple is it to point them point them elsewhere out how much of that is
that yes these were built by the time of the cold war but they're now serve other
purposes in terms of defending ourselves against other attacks and and then
furthermore at i'd like to talk you about how it pertains to china out how
this is just part of it tpm even playing field so that we don't have surpassed by
other bigger countries
rightward burger
one of the big focuses of this
review is
just what you
you're talking about you know what all of the threat the new threats that
might require
a nuclear arsenal to deter them
and oscar you know
the good news is that
the u_s_ and russia are about to find yew tree that would
bring both error nuclear arsenals down to a lower level
alum
but you're right i mean there's obviously there's
countries like north korea in iran
emerging nuclear powers shop
they've you know considerably could be deterred by the u_s_ maintaining
an overwhelming
nuclear arsenal so that they
think like about ever using those weapons
um... but you know if the heart of this is you know ninety five percent of the
nuclear weapons in the world
or in the united states and russia
um... even if you have to russia came down dramatically
they would still have far more weapons than pakistan or he said china or iran
and north korea or any of these other countries
and i think that he intends to bring them down to
a-level
u_s_-russia still have
more than anybody else
but you still don't have
this that nuclear complex difficult structured
i get the u_s_ in russia were still at loggerheads
so going to go along with what you
what you just said and then trying to answer the first for all the question
was is this the kind of thing where on
you know let's say it's back to some let's say who whereas we have the fed
ically is is it can we for reject or it to that in the whole idea of them being
aimed at russia it is that
i know it's true because it you've written about the scene of the rim but
what it is that hard and fast can that can that be changed
that norman obviously these in the cold weather there
in underground fire was out in the heartland or if they're on nuclear
ballistic missile from maureen that
attorney
they can be retarded relatively quickly alum
but again and yeah for the rationale for having from many of them
is
you know they throw back to the old days where you were basically preparing for
the unthinkable which was enacted nuclear exchange
between us
and the russian from
and i like that so many with further we could get
you know quote-unquote women nuclear war with them between now and i was
quickly he began with right and thinking the unthinkable as a good segue to one
of the things i found some most striking about your peace
which was uh... you wrote that another historic change under consideration is
adopting that
i've no first use policy by publicly declaring that we would not use nuclear
weapons first in any conflict was it you know this has been debated as you know
for many many years at the idea that we would be a publicly disavow the idea
that we have a first nuclear strike against uh... another country and they
were strong feelings that mutual assured destruction in the days of the cold war
out of meant that maybe that was in practical ur too idealistic
cotton and they were successively people who would oppose that now was it your
sense that this was being floated as a trial balloon to see how the public
might respond today at the united states without this position
uh... i just i mean it could be partially a trial balloon but here
there's no doubt that there are
many people in the arms control community
who had no hold out more about this and i do
who have advocated for a long time alum
even back during the cold war that you could
bring pensions downer bruno reduce nuclear competition
if the u_s_ who publicly declare
we will never use nuclear weapons
bum but if you know it's clearly
controversial there are many people who believe it
one of the reasons why the nuclear arsenal
had deterred many countries
over all these years
partly because there's this
confusions about when the u_s_ would use up
and some people would argue that that and ambiguities birthday that actually
strengthens the nuclear deterrent because people aren't exactly sure under
what circumstances and give them so that's a major focus of this review alum
any other very good acting you know what should nuclear weapons before
and there's many people
the obama administration some of whom used to be in the arms control community
we're now in the government
who would argue that nuclear weapons should just be to deter
nuclear weapons
the republicans right now u_s_ policies hit we would use nuclear weapons
not just of defend against a possible nuclear complication but
against chemical biological attacks
and also
in the conventional war in other words
used one or two nuclear weapons q
and beating one i'll make you know many people argue that that
became tainted by having to broaden
from a group of thinking about you from foreign publicly stating trio
you know
if in fact if rather well
countries did
feel threatened by up to try to get the glove and develop right if and brothers
there is there any tell us a little about the constituency of people how big
it is held
focal that is of people who want to do nothing wanna make no change to what
already exist in who where they made up of is it just extremists are there some
and a reasonable ummm
you know i a m him the people who roofing reasonably about these things
who think that that you know this this
to be left untouched
we're going to be good news is most people who really
then they're life thinking about things are pretty reasonable i picked where
they are
the difference really life how low do you call
most everybody agrees that it make sense with the russians are willing to work on
a treaty with us to go even further
then we've got on the fact that we have about
twenty-two hundred deployed nuclear weapons now and they're talking about
going down to meet the
fifteen hundred her something enough ballpark most people would agree that
makes it
but i think where there is concern weathers pushback is
somebody statements by the obama administration
week with the testimony before congress last year that
that some people think we could go down to between five hundred thousand that
poor people
such a really disagree because they fear that to grow if you have a country like
china
dash three hundred fifty weapons the respect of the estimates are
do you run the risk of
creating more nuclear competition in other words
our china might think what we've got three fifty in the u_s_ parents
five hundred we could catch up
and but that one of the argument for going for not going to look like hillary
escalation of the nuclear arms race in a lab
alright cardioversion federal without a yet that now it how does research and
development get affected by this is their talk about
scaling back with being done for what's been done over the past several years in
terms of
star wars the strategic defense initiative is it talk about
kind of d escalating the the future or oriented side of this as well as the
weapons we have in place right now
you know i mean it's a pretty broadly we will have to look at
as you mentioned missile defenses our debate play into the bigger picture
you know some people argue that if we have
part
your weapons need we need to invest more in the consequences
to protect against
from other nations possibly catching up to a third overpass enough in terms of
their nuclear weapons
capability farm
so you know there's theirs
that they're looking in the from the fact that they're looking at com
you know things like
how do you mind alive
nuclear arsenal
but many people who would say
rafter short on people
who have expertise
and have some old technology but the warheads themselves
are you know in most cases at least twenty five years old
maybe we need to
you know invest more money in developing
you know an improved version for that we can make sure they're going to work for
another twenty five or fifty or seventy-five acres
let me know that debates going on as well what you know
how to modernize its forces even if it's dramatically small
so brothers thank you uh... this is all of the you know very very interesting
uh... and and i i think it's something that's not at the forefront of what
people generally think about it with everything else going on the world but
it seems to be that quite important so that people are talking about and could
also be away
for america single signal itself as a peaceful nation
if they participate in some sort of a treaty if you want to read more prime
benders work you can go to boston dot com you can watch and listen for him in
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