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00:59 Hello and
welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:01 Thank you for joining us as you do each
and every day. 01:05 I wanna say in advance, I wanna also
thank you 01:07 for your love and your prayers and financial
support 01:09 of "Three Angels Broadcasting Network."
01:12 As we are endeavored to take this 01:13 gospel of the kingdom into all the world.
01:16 Thanks to you that 3ABN now, I think, 01:18 we own something like a 120 some odd,
01:21 maybe 130 television stations. 01:23 We have a radio network of our own stations
01:27 and affiliates reaching, I think over 01:29 surpassed 200 channel, radio stations
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01:40 Thanks to you because without you 01:42 we could not do that, and because we're
dependent 01:45 on the Holy Spirit as He impresses
01:47 each and every one of you to do your part
01:50 in getting this gospel of the kingdom into all the world.
01:53 Today, I'm talking with a special guest. 01:55 And it's a real privilege for me today
01:57 because it brings back lots of memories. 02:00 I'd like to introduce Pastor Dan Jarrard.
02:02 And, Dan, it's good to have you here. 02:03 Great to be here, Danny.
02:05 And we were talking little bit earlier. 02:08 You first came to 3ABN and we did an
interview. 02:11 You had been Pentecostal, were you a
pastor or just? 02:14 I was pastor, yes.
02:15 Pentecostal pastor but you became an Adventist.
02:18 And so, you--we began to do interview. 02:21 You did programs on 3ABN. Yes.
02:23 And that was around 1980-- 02:27 Eighty-seven, eighty-eight when I started,
yes. 02:29 So we're looking at 24, 25 years. Right.
02:32 And haven't seen each other in many, many years.
02:34 It's amazing neither one of us have changed--
02:36 aged, isn't it in-- I believe that. 02:38 All these years? Either, that our vision
02:41 is not what it used to be, but let's just take
02:43 with whatever, okay. Let us be in our bubble,
02:46 we're just kidding, all right. 02:47 But it's so good to have you here, today.
02:49 And you're with "Message of Hope Ministries?" 02:52 Yes. And you're out in North Carolina?
02:54 Yes, we're pastoring now in Clayton, North Carolina.
02:57 Clayton, okay. And so your wife, I know, 03:01 she is also involved in ministry.
03:03 And there is another interview that, which just been done.
03:06 It's gonna be airing here right away, 03:08 if it hasn't already,
03:10 and that's with C.A. Murray and her ministry.
03:13 What's her ministry? 03:15 Her focus is on dealing with Alzheimer's.
All right. 03:18 And she has a real passion
03:19 for not only Alzheimer's patients 03:22 but also the caregivers.
03:24 And she's written a book entitled, 03:26 "When Alzheimer's Touches a Family."
03:28 And it's being greatly used to assist people
03:31 in this tremendous time of turmoil in their lives.
03:34 Great. Well, today we're gonna be talking about--
03:37 you have a new book out. Yes. 03:38 And it says, "Why I Am A Sabbath-keeping
Christian." 03:42 And, so it's very straightforward book.
03:46 And it's always interesting to hear 03:48 why people do what they do.
03:50 Not all of us write down what we do, 03:53 or why we do what we do, but you have
it here. 03:56 And we're gonna be talking about that
in little bit. 03:58 But I think we have some music first,
04:00 and before we go to the rest of the interview.
04:03 Today, we have Margie Salcedo-Rice. 04:06 Incredible lady, great singer.
04:08 She's gonna be singing a beautiful song 04:10 written by David Huntsinger, "Remember
the Sabbath." 04:49 Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy
04:57 Honor the day That our Lord commands us
05:06 To cease our toiling and we obey 05:16 That we may know Him and learn His patient
ways 05:30 Keeping the Sabbath holy in all our
days 05:47 So enter His temple with high thanksgiving
05:55 Worship the Lord 06:00 And fill up this house with your voices
ringing 06:09 Let them be heard For He adore thee
06:21 And lift our hearts in praise 06:28 Keeping the Sabbath holy in all our
days 06:45 Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy
06:53 Honor the day 06:59 That our Lord commands us
07:02 To cease our toiling and we obey 07:12 That we may know Him and learn His patient
ways 07:27 Keeping the Sabbath holy in all our
days 07:50 Amen. Amen. Beautiful? Beautiful.
07:52 Keeping the Sabbath holy. Praise God. 07:54 That's Margie Rice and also that,
07:56 of course written by David Huntsinger. 07:58 We have a whole project called the "Pillars
of Our Faith." 08:01 And we have ten songs, that are original
songs 08:04 and maybe more than that on it,
08:05 but I think at least 10 are original. 08:07 And if you'd like to get a copy of that,
08:09 you can always contact us anytime 08:11 other than Sabbath hours here at 3ABN.
08:14 And find out how to get this project it's--
08:18 we have DVDs of it and we have CDs also. 08:20 We went to Battle Creek couple of years
ago 08:22 and where, you know, early Adventism
08:25 and went to the Battle Creek Tabernacle there
08:28 and had a great time and brought in a choir,
08:31 the Andrews choir and-- Praise God. 08:32 DVDs for those available also.
08:34 But today, we're talking with Pastor Dan Jarrard.
08:37 And, Dan, we were talking about 25 years or so,
08:40 nearly ago when we first met. 08:42 And haven't kept in a lot of contact
in the last few years 08:45 but it's good to see you're still going
strong. 08:48 The Lord is blessing you. Amen.
08:49 You're still holding to the faith. 08:51 And you have written a book,
08:53 "Why I Am a Seventh-day Adventist Christian," 08:56 and "Why I Am a Sabbath-keeping Christian."
08:58 You are a Seventh-day Adventist pastor. 09:00 And a Christian, but why your book
09:01 is "Why I Am A Sabbath-keeping Christian." 09:04 And what I'd like to do is, maybe give
our folks 09:06 some of your background, because I think
09:09 it's always interesting where different people come from.
09:11 So you were raised in what kind of a church?
09:15 Were you raised in church at all? 09:16 I was raised in the Pentecostal church.
09:18 Okay. I became a Christian in 1964 at the age of 15.
09:22 Okay. And shortly after that conversion experience,
09:25 God called me to preach. Okay. 09:27 And so preaching is what I've been doing
09:29 for basically all my life. 09:30 Started young? Absolutely.
09:32 In fact my mother said that, I was preaching 09:35 when I was two or three years of age.
09:37 I was standing on little boxes out in the yard,
09:40 getting all the neighbor kids together 09:42 and telling them about Jesus. Wow.
09:44 So she says that from the very beginning, 09:46 she knew that God had a plan for my
life, 09:48 but it wasn't until 1964 that I accepted
Christ 09:51 as my savior and began an active ministry.
09:55 Okay, did you become a pastor, 09:56 an evangelist, or what, or both?
09:59 When I finished my bachelor's work 10:01 in the Pentecostal school and then I
started 10:03 working on my master's degree from Baptist
Seminary. 10:08 And in 1971, I was teaching in a Pentecostal
Bible College. 10:14 Okay. And God actually placed some books
in my hands 10:20 that were Seventh-day Adventist books.
10:22 They were written by a number of different authors.
10:25 And in fact a complete commentary set 10:28 written by the denomination. Okay.
10:30 And when I received those books, 10:33 I did so with a motive in my mind and
heart, 10:38 and that was to expose the Seventh-day
Adventist cult. 10:43 Who and what they really were
10:44 because that's what I have--yeah, 10:45 that's what I've been taught in school.
10:47 Is that right? That they were a cult. 10:48 They were not a part of the Christian
community. 10:51 They believe in gnawing and clawing
10:53 who wonder way into the kingdom of God 10:54 by keeping the old outdated laws.
10:57 And so I thought, I have these books, 11:00 I'm going to nail them to the wall.
11:02 I'm gonna crucify them. Okay. 11:05 And so I started reading those books.
11:08 And the very next Sunday, after I receive those books,
11:12 I was on the way to a preaching appointment, 11:15 and I was turning the radio dial
11:16 looking for some gospel preaching or gospel singing.
11:20 And just as I pulled up into the church yard,
11:23 I heard a deep, resonant, 11:25 rather compassionate sounding voice.
Okay. 11:28 And he was finishing the end of his
presentation 11:30 for that particular session. Was it
Elder Richards, was it? 11:34 Well, you're getting ahead of the story.
11:37 And I only recalled the last six words. 11:40 He said, "This is where we are today."
11:44 That's what I only heard him say. 11:46 And the announcer came on and gave the
name of the program 11:48 and said, if you would like more information,
11:51 to write to this place. 11:52 And I didn't get the name of the program
11:54 because I was watching out for the car in front of me,
11:56 didn't wanna hit in the rear. Okay. 11:58 But I did get the address
12:00 and it was PO Box 55, Los Angeles, California. 12:04 All right. And so on Monday morning,
12:06 I sat down, wrote a little note, 12:08 where am I today, put it in an envelope,
12:10 sealed it, stamped it-- Yeah. 12:12 Didn't put the name of the program
12:13 just PO Box 55, Los Angeles, California, no zip code. Okay.
12:18 I didn't know if I would have you or anything. Wow.
12:20 And, lo and behold, a few weeks later, 12:23 I received a whole stack of material
12:25 from a place called the "Voice of Prophecy" 12:28 which I later learn was
12:30 a Seventh-day Adventist radio ministry 12:32 and so that was the beginning of my
journey. 12:35 And I believe with all of my mind and
all of my heart, 12:38 that God arranges things,
12:40 if we'll just give Him the opportunity. 12:41 No coincidence. No coincidences.
12:44 And I was finishing up my master's work 12:47 and I was starting, looking at my doctorial
work 12:50 in that Baptist Seminary.
12:52 And I had already chosen to write on the end time prophecy.
12:57 Okay. To write on Daniel's 1,260 days 13:01 and also dealing with the 70-week.
13:04 And so God put that study course 13:06 of Daniel and Revelation in my hands.
13:09 And I began to go through that material 13:11 and something strange happened.
13:14 Because every time I would come up to something new
13:17 and different to me and put it to acid test of God's word,
13:22 it always came out right. Wow. 13:25 And I actually started writing on the
pages of my notes, 13:29 three words, "it is written,"
13:33 not knowing that there was another 13:36 Seventh-day Adventist media ministry
13:38 by that same title. "It Is Written." 13:40 Yeah, and so for 11 years, I started
the teachings 13:45 of the Seventh-day Adventist church.
13:47 Eleven years? Eleven years. 13:48 And I put every teaching under the most
powerful microscope, 13:54 my academia and spirituality would allow
13:57 and always came out biblical. Wow. 14:00 And so at the end of that period,
14:02 we have a saying down in Georgia, 14:04 "If you can't lick 'em, join 'em,"
14:05 and so I couldn't lick them so I joined them
14:08 and so we were pastoring 14:10 at Pentecostal church in Texas at that
time 14:11 and God opened the door for Rebecca
and I to become 14:15 part of the Seventh-day Adventist Christian
family. 14:18 What, what was your big step?
14:20 I mean, in fact, 14:21 we need to talk about Rebecca for a
second. 14:23 You bringing this information home,
14:25 is she reading it, too? 14:27 Or she is saying, now,
14:28 Dan, what are you doing? 14:30 I mean, what was happening in the home
front? 14:32 Rebecca didn't do the studying that
I did. 14:34 She knew that I was studying,
14:35 it had got me in trouble at some churches 14:38 I had pastored because I had tried to
present 14:41 the biblical truths that I had discovered.
14:45 But she did not do the studying. 14:47 But she became a Seventh-day Adventist
Christian 14:50 because she trusted my decision
14:53 and she knew that and knows 14:55 that I'm not a person who makes rash,
14:57 off-the-cuff decisions. 14:59 But she knew that I had put all of these--
15:02 So she said, if you are heading that way,
15:05 I know it's God and I'm going with you? 15:07 Absolutely. God brought us together
as one 15:11 and we had been serving in ministries
15:13 in all of these years and she took that-- 15:15 All right, how are you accepted
15:18 when you first came in to the Adventist church?
15:23 It was quite a challenge from family and friends,
15:31 not so much from my family because my family knew
15:36 what kind of person I was, but from Rebecca's family,
15:39 and I'm not being critical, I'm not being judgmental,
15:41 there were just lot of questions. 15:43 But we went through a lot of turmoil
and agony, 15:46 lot of tears but we knew that God was
leading 15:50 and God was directing and God doesn't
make any mistakes. 15:54 Now when you came into and started
15:56 going to an Adventist church, 15:57 did you just look one up in the phonebook
15:59 and decide I'm gonna go there 16:01 or how did you decide where you want
to start 16:03 going to try out the Seventh-day Adventist
church? 16:06 Well, we really never tried it up.
16:08 We only attended an Adventist gathering 16:12 a couple of times before we became Seventh-day
Adventist. 16:16 And we had been studying
16:19 and fellowshipping with Pastor Rene Keysbee, Okay.
16:24 And God used him and he also used a member
16:27 by the name of John McFarlane. Okay. 16:30 To assist us in our journey with the
Lord. 16:33 And I met with the brethren of the Texas
conference 16:38 in the Southwest Union for two sessions.
16:42 And at the end of that second session, 16:45 they gave me an official invitation
16:46 to become a pastor in the Texas conference. 16:49 Already? Already.
16:50 It was quite humorous. Yeah. 16:52 On the Sabbath, Rebecca and I were baptized
16:54 and introduced as part of the pastoral staff there.
16:58 I was standing at one of the doors, 17:00 there in the Keene Church
17:02 where I was placed as part of the pastoral team.
17:04 And as the saints were coming out, 17:06 one of the dear sisters came up to me,
17:08 she was shaking my hand. 17:10 And she said, Pastor Dan,
17:13 this is the first time in all the history, 17:15 all the Seventh-day Adventist Church
17:17 we've ever heard of somebody being placed 17:19 on a pastoral staff before they were
baptized. 17:23 And I laughed and I put my arm around
17:25 and I said, my sister, you don't understand 17:27 how all my life
17:29 God has been leading me to this very moment.
17:32 And she just reached out and gave me a big hug.
17:34 Wow. And she said, 17:36 Pastor Dan, welcome home. Wow, that's
great. 17:38 Welcome home. That's wonderful.
17:40 So you went right into ministry, 17:42 right into pastoring? Absolutely, yeah.
17:44 And so that's incredible and what was that like,
17:47 I mean, your first year or two, 17:49 there was a-- there's a lot of adjustments
17:50 you used to be probably, 17:52 you're in an independent church,
17:53 was it Pentecostal, you know, 17:56 you're coming into an organized church,
17:58 maybe totally different, isn't that kind of tough
18:00 to get the transition, you know, 18:02 theologically you got over that but
now you're coming 18:05 into different kinds of people, you
know, 18:08 different things you're used to
18:10 and not used to in services, I mean-- 18:12 Well, it wasn't so difficult for me
18:15 because I was so excited. Okay. 18:17 I was elated. I probably didn't see
and hear 18:20 some of the things but it was real difficult
for Rebecca, 18:25 because she had not done the studying
18:26 that I had done and she walked through 18:29 some deep valleys but God brought her
out of all of it. 18:32 Yeah, that's wonderful and you both
have done so well 18:35 and you've been there so many years
18:38 and God is still blessing your ministry. 18:41 I know you love evangelism.
18:43 Did you travel as an evangelist 18:45 for a while or are you mostly a pastor?
18:48 I pastored in Texas and then we were called
18:51 to pastor in High Point, North Carolina. 18:54 And while I was pastoring in High Point,
North Carolina, 18:57 God began to move upon me
19:00 to enter some type of revival ministry. 19:03 And I couldn't understand the direction
19:05 the Lord was leading because I enjoyed, I love pastoring.
19:10 And so I called our conference president 19:12 who was Bob Folkenberg at that time.
19:13 Okay. And I told Bob, what was taking place.
19:16 And he said, Dan, why don't you come down
19:18 to the conference office and let's talk about it.
19:21 And so I did and I shared my burden with Bob
19:24 and we prayed about it. 19:25 And God opened the door for me
19:29 to do fulltime revival ministry for five years.
19:33 In fact, Bob actually served as chairman 19:36 in my board of directors
19:37 until he was elected as general conference president
19:40 and I owe a great debt to Bob. 19:43 His vision and vitality was something
19:47 that was refreshing to me, not only as a leader
19:52 but also as a friend in Jesus 19:54 and a friend to the gospel of Jesus.
19:58 And so for five years, I did fulltime revival ministry
20:00 from the late '80s into early '90s and, 20:05 average over 20 revivals a year.
20:08 At that time I was conducting revival sessions
20:10 from Sabbath morning to the following Saturday evening,
20:13 and so there were ten sessions in all in the revival meetings.
20:18 It was also quite a challenge. 20:19 And that, I was actually having to explain
20:24 to a lot of pastors, what revival was all about.
20:27 Oh, mercy. Because there wasn't, 20:29 at that time, the emphasis on revival
ministry. 20:33 As far as I know, there was only one
other revivalist, 20:38 that was Emilio Knechtle.
20:40 A dear Christian man, that had a real burden for revival.
20:44 And one of the things that excites me about,
20:47 "where we are today," is the emphasis 20:48 that's being put upon revival.
20:50 Yeah, sure. And the importance of revival. 20:55 What I'm about to say is not to be critical
and judgmental. 20:58 But one of the saddest statements that
I heard 21:01 after becoming a Seventh-day Adventist
Christian 21:04 was that in between general conference
sessions 21:07 at that time, the equivalency of an
entire world division 21:13 was going out the backdoor.
21:16 And I thought to myself, how sad, how sad.
21:19 Because in my mind and in my heart, 21:21 evangelism is twofold.
21:23 It's not only soul winning, it's also soul keeping.
21:27 Okay, yeah. And we need to focus on both of those areas.
21:31 And so my passion is pastoring, 21:35 and doing revival ministry, and also
writing. 21:39 Sure. And all, about the same time
21:41 is when, you know, 3ABN came out. 21:44 Years later we had other ministries.
21:46 And of course we have Elder Kenneth ***
21:47 who's out there. You had all these guys. 21:49 There's been a number folk out there,
21:51 but through using the media, 21:53 through radio, through television,
21:55 and later the Hope channel 21:56 and all the other channels are now,
you know, 21:59 revival is very important-- Praise God,
amen. 22:01 And within the Adventist church, in
fact, USA today said 22:06 it ought to have been several months
ago, 22:07 the fastest growing protestant church
in North America 22:11 is the Seventh-day Adventist.
22:13 And that's a quite difference 22:14 from 30 years ago, 40 years ago, 50.
22:17 But a lot of that of course is attributed to the media.
22:21 When you're out there and people see it,
22:22 they understand it. You, it helped you. 22:24 You began to do your own studies.
22:26 But when you got these other books 22:27 to really see what it was.
22:29 Now the Sabbath, to me that's something if people--
22:33 You know, when people say, 22:34 I studied the Sabbath, I found it out.
22:36 It's not that amazing because, honestly, 22:39 I've had what I've had, Richard Bland
tell me before. 22:42 He said, if you go to-- he works in
prison. 22:45 If you take a Bible to a prisoner,
22:47 and they don't know anything, 22:49 never been indoctrinated with religion.
22:52 And some of them say, I've never heard Jesus--
22:54 God's name except in vain, 22:55 growing up and know nothing, never read
a Bible. 22:58 You give a prisoner a Bible and you
come back few months later. 23:01 He will be saying,
23:02 if you come in for a Sunday worship meetings,
23:04 what they ask the folk, why are we doing this on Sunday?
23:06 Why don't we do it on Saturday? 23:08 Because it's in there and if you weren't
indoctrinated, 23:11 either way, or you weren't trying to
suggest why 23:16 it's okay to keep a certain day when
the Lord says, 23:18 it's part of his eternal ten commandments,
23:21 there is one day that I've set aside for you
23:23 and that's the seventh-day, people do it.
23:25 But how did this affect? 23:27 I know many of the Pentecostals,
23:28 and I'm glad God has people in our churches. Amen.
23:31 And all that He does. Amen. 23:32 But a lot of the folk believe in,
23:35 for instance, to eternal torment. 23:37 That when you die, if you're not a Christian
23:39 that God burns you forever and ever. 23:40 First of all, that you go straight to
heaven or hell. 23:44 Well, that's great if you're a Christian,
23:45 but if you're not, that means for thousands of years,
23:47 now there is people who had been burning all this time.
23:50 There's a hell somewhere. 23:52 And that's really hard to contemplate
23:54 of God of love doing that. 23:55 Now, well, Seventh-day Adventist believed
that, you know, 23:57 that at the judgment day, at the end
of time, you know, 24:02 there will be a fire and people will
be burned up. 24:05 But how for you, for your background,
24:07 isn't that kind of, 'cause when you, 24:08 I used to sing in a lot of these churches,
24:11 in eternal torment, and the hell fire 24:13 and that's one of the great ways people
use, and you better, 24:17 come down to the altar tonight, 'cause
if you die, 24:19 you're gonna burn in hell forever.
24:20 I mean, was that tough for you, or to, to,
24:25 when you read that, was that a shock to you or?
24:28 Not really. Very early on in my journey, 24:34 in becoming a Sabbath keeping Christian,
24:37 there were three things that really came
24:41 to focus in my mind and heart. 24:44 And the first one, this is not necessarily
24:46 in the order of importance 24:47 but because something has to be one,
and two, and three. 24:51 But I came to understand that just because
24:55 something is accepted and practiced 24:58 by the majority does not necessarily
25:01 make the minority wrong. Okay. 25:04 And just because something is accepted
and practiced 25:07 by the minority does not necessarily
25:09 make the majority right. Okay. 25:12 And so that principle became a force
25:17 in my academia and in my spirituality, 25:21 as I began to study these various
25:23 areas of Bible doctrine that would differed 25:27 than what I had been brought up to accept
and to believe. 25:32 Okay. Well, that's neat.
25:34 I mean, you based it on something. 25:36 You didn't just go out and say, okay,
you said, 25:39 this doesn't make it necessarily right
or necessarily wrong. 25:42 I'm just gonna test it. Right.
25:43 And when I accepted that principle 25:47 was when I decided to put everything
25:51 I had ever been taught 25:53 under the magnifying glass of God's
word. Wow. 25:57 If it measured up, keep it.
25:59 If it didn't, walk away from it. 26:02 And some of those decisions were hard
to make 26:04 because we're human and we like to be
right. 26:08 And it was very difficult from me not
only in relation 26:10 to the Sabbath but in relation to other
areas as well. 26:14 To admit that I had been wrong,
26:17 I had not only been taught wrong, 26:19 but I had been teaching wrong for all
of those years. 26:23 Because there's something within all
of us 26:25 that wants to hold on to it.
26:27 But God says, "There are times when we need to let go."
26:30 Sure. I mean, especially when you put so much of your,
26:33 your effort and, I don't wanna use 26:36 the word "pride" with it, but may be
confidence, 26:38 you get your bachelor's in theology
26:40 and you got your master's 26:41 and you're working on your doctorates,
26:44 and of course you, you know, people look,
26:46 wow, this guy, and then all of a sudden you have to say,
26:49 you know, I was wrong about that. 26:52 I mean in the, in the humanness
26:54 that's a little bit, probably hard, for you to do.
26:56 Absolutely. Because people will be like, 26:57 well, then, I thought you knew something,
26:59 you know, here you've been studying for years,
27:01 and now you're gonna tell us you were wrong.
27:04 I mean that, that's, that, you know, kind of tough, too.
27:07 Yes, and this is one of the reasons 27:09 why I believe the Lord lead me to write
this little book 27:12 and other books that I've written.
27:15 And that we all are on a journey. 27:18 And we make a decision whether
27:21 we will allow God's Holy Spirit to lead us
27:24 or whether we will take the rains 27:27 and try to steer our self.
27:30 And I cannot tell you how many times 27:32 I was asked by family and friends why.
27:36 After all of the years that you went to school,
27:39 after all the years that you preached this,
27:43 why make the change now? 27:46 And God lead me to put down in written
form 27:50 as the way of helping people.
27:54 One of the main reasons why I wrote this little book
27:57 was to assist individuals 28:01 who had become Sabbath keeping Christians
28:04 and explaining to their family and friends 28:07 about the decision they were--because
28:09 that's more than just a decision, 28:10 it's a life changing decision.
28:12 And one of the most precious emails 28:15 I've received in recent years was from
a dear lady. 28:20 She had read the book.
28:21 And I can almost feel her tears 28:23 as she was typing and sending the email.
28:27 She had been a Christian for a number of years.
28:30 She had accepted the Bible Sabbath. 28:33 And one of her sisters was very condemnatory
of her 28:38 and really gave her hard time.
28:40 And she was praying one night and asking God,
28:43 "What can I do? 28:44 How can I share with my sister?"
28:46 And God impressed her to give her this little book.
28:49 She did, and a few days later 28:51 her sister called and asked if she could
come over. 28:55 Wow. And the lady said,
28:56 she's wondering what's coming up. 28:58 And when she answered the door,
29:01 her sister was holding the book, 29:03 reached out and hugged her and said,
29:06 "I don't understand all of it yet, 29:10 but I'm accepting your decision."
29:12 Wow, wow, that's great. 29:13 To walk with Jesus.
29:15 You know what, and that is a great testimony 29:17 for the book and we're gonna talk about
it, 29:19 actually a little bit more about it,
29:21 but that's a great testimony. 29:24 And because, just like this lady,
29:27 she is in--its torn to her, she is like, 29:30 well-- and here is a question.
29:32 I want to ask you, this popped in my mind a while ago.
29:34 Didn't people say to you, 'cause Pastor Rick Odle,
29:37 I don't know if you remember Pastor Odle
29:39 who had been an Assembly of God minister 29:41 and people would ask him, well, Rick,
29:44 does that mean you weren't a Christian before?
29:48 Why are you saying that people 29:50 who were Pentecostals are not Christian
now? 29:52 Because if you saw a need to change,
29:54 so people, they're not sure 29:56 how to respond to that. How do you respond?
29:58 Dan, weren't you a Christian before 30:00 when you were Pentecostal?
30:01 If you were, why were not good enough, 30:03 why do you have to be something else?
30:05 Well, my response is now as always been, 30:09 we are to be growing in grace
30:13 and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
30:17 And we are all at different levels of maturity
30:24 and understanding what God is saying. 30:28 But as we accept where we are,
30:32 God is enabled, if you will, to lead us
30:36 into higher heights and deeper depths. 30:40 And one of the things that I tried
30:42 from the very beginning in this little book to emphasize
30:46 is that we must not be judgmental and condemnatory.
30:52 And God was very specific and impressing 30:55 upon my mind and upon my heart that,
30:59 that is to come across in this book. 31:01 I don't seek to prove the Sabbath.
31:06 I'm just sharing my testimony. 31:08 And I tell people all the time,
31:09 you can argue with my doctrine 31:11 but you can't argue with my testimony.
31:13 Okay, all right. 31:14 So it's just the testimony
31:16 of how I had to wrestle through this. 31:19 And it's been amazing how God has used
my testimony. 31:21 As it used your testimony, and the testimony
of hundreds 31:25 and thousands of others to encourage
31:27 in the journeys of other peoples. 31:30 That's great. Why don't you walk us
31:32 a little bit through this book? 31:33 It's "Why I'm a Seventh-day Adventist
Christian?" 31:36 What are some of the points that you
cover here? 31:38 I mean are there certain things you
go through, 31:41 outlined in, on this, for instance
31:45 here is one that says, reason one, 31:47 because it was kept in the beginning.
31:49 Can we talk a little bit about some of that?
31:51 Sure, yeah. There are actually four areas that I cover.
31:56 This book is an outgrowth of a series 31:59 that I did at the church I'm presently
pastoring. 32:02 In '04, I really felt that I was going
to step away 32:05 from pastoral ministry and just devote
fulltime 32:08 to writing and doing revival ministry.
32:11 But in '07, I was contacted by a small group
32:17 that I started meeting in Clayton, North Carolina.
32:20 Okay. Really, they're meeting in Smithfield right now,
32:23 running a Methodist Church. 32:25 And they had been going on about a year.
32:27 And they had started not because of any division
32:30 or any animosity in the mother church in Raleigh
32:34 but there was just a group of people there,
32:36 who sensed that God needed a presence in that area
32:39 and so they had started meeting and they found out
32:42 that I was in the area, invited me to come over
32:45 and God just worked it where I step back
32:48 into the pastoral ministry. 32:52 And it's such a beautiful congregation.
32:57 It's a group of people where, when one person is happy,
33:01 they are all rejoicing. Okay. 33:03 When one person is sad, they are all
in remorse. 33:07 And very early on, one of the things
33:11 that God impressed me was to deal with practicalities
33:16 and with doctrine into we've-- those areas into ministry.
33:22 And so this is actually an outgrowth of a series
33:24 I did there on the Sabbath. And I deal with four areas.
33:29 I deal with I'm a Sabbath-keeping Christian 33:32 because it was kept in the beginning.
Okay. 33:35 I'm a Sabbath-keeping Christian because
it was kept by Jesus. 33:38 I'm a Sabbath-keeping Christian
33:40 because it was kept by the apostles. 33:42 And I'm a Sabbath-keeping Christian
33:44 because it was kept by the early church. 33:47 And those four things as I spent those
years-- 33:50 and I was studying the teachings
33:52 of the Seventh-day Adventist Christian church,
33:56 the Sabbath was the last area that I got into.
33:58 Really? Yeah, because I knew in my mind 34:02 and in my heart that my decision concerning
34:07 the Sabbath would be life changing. Okay.
34:10 And I made sure that, that was the last area I studied.
34:14 Okay, all right. 34:16 And when I study that, came to groups,
34:18 then I was ready to cross the threshold. 34:21 How did you deal with the--
34:22 and this is not the purpose of our program, 34:24 but a little bit and the difference
34:26 in the gift of tongues, because that's so emphasized
34:30 in the Pentecostal and charismatic movement, 34:33 and sometimes there is some balance.
34:35 I've been to all kinds of churches, 34:36 so you have those who say, well, you're
not really saved 34:39 unless you're speaking tongues
34:40 and another say no, you are but this is just a gift
34:43 of speaking in an unknown tongue, 34:45 an unknown language only known to God
34:47 versus the Adventist view 34:51 and what we believe is the scriptural
view of tongues, 34:55 was that because most people that I
have, 34:59 Howard and Molly Stinson.
35:01 Howard was charismatic pastor and Molly was a social pastor,
35:05 rhythm co-pastor I always called him. 35:08 These are things they really dealt with,
35:10 they studied on some others 35:12 and they really had to study this out
35:14 because it's so personal 35:15 and the feeling and the motion of it--
35:18 It was probably the hardest thing for them to,
35:21 to really get away from and be able to say
35:25 what's biblical and what's just feelings 35:27 and what makes me feel good,
35:29 because I've done it for so long. 35:30 How did that affect you and your family?
35:34 This may sound strange but this was actually
35:37 the first area that I investigated. Really.
35:40 And I determined while I was yet in Bible college
35:44 in Pentecostal Bible College 35:45 that I was gonna do that after I got
out. 35:48 Because in my last year I started seeing
35:53 that there was an inconsistency. 35:55 And what I'm saying is not meant to
be critical, 35:58 is not to be-- meant to be judgmental
35:59 because I love the Pentecostal Church. 36:01 Of course. I have some family,
36:04 dear friends, they're precious Christians. 36:07 But I started seeing an inconsistency
relative 36:10 to what I had been "taught" concerning
36:12 the baptism of the Holy Spirit in speaking in tongues.
36:15 And so I determined, once I got out 36:18 and started my own independent studies
36:21 that this was gonna be the first area that I studied.
36:24 And the most beautiful, thorough, 36:31 Biblical explanation of tongues is found
36:36 in the Seventh-day Adventist commentary, 36:39 on 1 Corinthians, Chapter 14.
36:43 And when I saw and when I read that passage
36:50 in the Seventh-day Adventist commentary 36:52 that was one of the things that ignited
within me 36:55 to keep on reading and study.
36:57 Because they were presenting the very same conclusion
37:03 that I had come to as a Pentecostal pastor
37:06 and minister about the baptism of God's Holy Spirit
37:10 and speaking in tongues. 37:11 Wow, that's amazing.
37:13 So you actually questioned it, while you were still there?
37:17 Yes. Decided to study it later? You did?
37:20 Yeah. And I came to a conclusion, 37:23 if I had been taught wrongly,
37:24 and I believe it was done innocently. 37:27 Because we have a tendency to see through
the eyes 37:31 that we've been ditched through the
spectacles 37:36 that's been put on our face.
37:38 And many times tradition is what we're looking through.
37:42 And I had been teaching exactly what I had been taught.
37:47 And so I thought in my mind and heart, 37:50 if I was taught wrongly, again I'm not
being judgmental, 37:54 I'm not being critical, but if I was
taught wrongly 37:57 on this issue maybe there are other
issues as well 38:02 that are not biblical. Okay.
38:04 And so that was the part of my journey. 38:06 You're quite thinker for sure
38:08 but I like what you said earlier that you,
38:10 you made your decision based on principles. 38:13 And you set up, okay, this is not necessarily
38:16 or this doesn't make it, I'm gonna just see,
38:18 go back Isaiah Chapter 20, 38:20 I guess, the law on the testimony.
38:22 They speak not according to this word, 38:23 there is no light in them.
38:25 And what about, for instance, 38:26 the health message now because people,
38:29 it's really amazing that the-- 38:33 if people watch television right now,
38:35 they--I've seen books come out 38:37 and say, oh, you, you know, if you eat
this or you eat that, 38:40 and if that's written and it's out there,
38:42 people will sometimes accept it. 38:44 If you say from a biblical standpoint
38:46 this is what the Bible says about health, 38:49 this is what we--list of what we should
not eat for sure, 38:52 which is bad for us and this is the
list what we should, 38:54 they seem to reject it.
38:56 And I'm talking about even Christian people
38:57 Oh, that's that old testimony. 38:59 That's the old law that has nothing
to do with me. 39:01 But if John Boe doctor or some show
they see on television-- 39:05 well, sometimes now I see some great
things, 39:07 some of these people are suggesting
39:09 and this is what you should eat 39:11 and what you shouldn't, it's okay from
that standpoint 39:13 but don't tell me what I can eat as
a Christian 39:16 'cause I can eat anything that is set
before me. 39:19 How did that affect you and your family?
39:22 The very day that two literature evangelists 39:27 were in my Pentecostal parsonage,
39:33 there was a smell of fried chicken 39:35 being cooked in the kitchen.
39:39 But I made a decision before becoming 39:43 a Seventh-day Adventist Christian
39:45 and it was based on the Bible to cut out unclean meats.
39:50 Okay, which is like pork? Talking about the unclean.
39:53 Right. In Leviticus, the Bible tells us these.
39:56 And why did you do that? 39:58 Because of what the Bible said.
40:01 With no previous background? 40:03 No one is saying, Dan, you know.
40:05 Yeah, yeah, I have a belief that, 40:08 if we would all read God's word,
40:10 and you alluded to it earlier concerning the prison ministry,
40:13 if we would read God's word 40:17 outside the realm of traditions and
philosophy, 40:23 just read God's word wanting to know
40:25 what God said in His word 40:26 we would all arrive at the very same
conclusion. 40:30 But what happens is many times,
40:33 I want to interpret this through tradition, 40:36 and I want to interpret it through
40:38 what I had been told 40:39 and what somebody has posted on the
internet, 40:41 or what somebody has said in the sermon
40:43 rather than a plain, thus saith the Lord.
40:46 One of my favorite passages 40:50 by the Apostle Paul is found in two
places. 40:53 This is four words,
40:54 "What saith the scriptures."okay. 40:58 "What saith the scripture,"
41:00 and if we would all read God's word 41:02 whether it's concerning the Sabbath
41:03 or the say of the dead or the health code
41:07 that God gives, 41:08 if we would just read God's word wanting
to know 41:10 what saith the scriptures, wow.
41:13 We would all arrive at the same conclusion 41:15 because the Bible says that the Holy
Spirit 41:18 has been sent to lead us, to guide us,
41:21 to instruct us in all truth 41:25 and that no scripture is given
41:26 of any private interpretation. 41:28 So there is only one interpretation
but the key is, 41:32 am I willing to be a yielded vessel
41:36 to what God's Holy Spirit says 41:38 or am I going to filter it through the
spectacles 41:41 and through the other things
41:43 that have been a part of my journey 41:45 and part of my life forever, how long?
41:49 Yeah, it's incredible testimony and I love hearing
41:52 how you came about to different truth is simply by being open,
41:56 studying, and saying, you know, 41:58 it is written right down here it is
written, 42:00 thus saith the Lord.
42:02 Let me break in here, just a moment, 42:04 going back to your question about the
health message. 42:09 It concerns me and again
42:13 what I'm about to say is not meant to be critical
42:15 and not be judgmental. 42:17 But it does concern me
42:19 sometimes that there are some dear saints 42:23 who do not recognize as I mentioned
a while ago 42:28 that we're all at different levels of
maturity 42:31 and acceptance, right.
42:33 And, God is very plain to the Apostle Paul
42:37 and to others that, we are all to be working out
42:41 our own salvation but it qualifies 42:45 that with fear and trembling as God
works in us both to will 42:50 and to do of His can pleasure.
42:54 And sometimes we have a tendency 42:57 because it's our good pleasure, you
know, 42:59 because it's okay for Dan Jarrard or
Danny Shelton 43:02 then it must be God's
43:04 good pleasure for everybody else. 43:06 And God is saying, well, you know,
43:08 Danny Jarrard may not be at the same place
43:11 as Danny Shelton is. 43:13 And so it was a process and I'm still
learning 43:18 and I'm still making adjustments in
my life 43:20 as I'm sure you're in yours,
43:22 as God gives us insight along those lines.
43:25 But I had become almost a vegetarian 43:30 before becoming a Seventh-day Adventist
Christian. 43:32 And I really became convicted and convinced
43:36 because of two things. 43:40 Number 1, I do not believe when we get
to heaven 43:46 and when we are stationed on the new
earth 43:50 that there is only-- there's gonna be
43:52 any killing of animals there, okay. 43:54 I just fail to see
43:56 that its part of God's economy for us, I agree.
43:59 And so I'm just foolish enough to believe 44:01 and some people say I'm simple-minded,
44:03 but I'm just simple enough to believe 44:06 that maybe I need to start training
for it now, 44:09 you know-- okay.
44:10 So that I won't feel out of place 44:11 when I get to the other side.
44:13 And then the second reason 44:14 I'm basically a vegetarian
44:17 is that I believe with all of my mind 44:19 and all of my heart
44:20 that if we spent the amount of money 44:22 it takes to get a steer ready for the
table 44:27 and it takes a lot.
44:30 If we spent the amount of money 44:31 it takes to get a steer ready for the
table, 44:33 we can solve the hunger problem almost
overnight. 44:37 And providing grain
44:39 and other things for people to eat, 44:42 all the vegetable kingdom.
44:44 Things that you could ship over to, 44:46 that would last grains and all of that.
44:48 But now, that's, it's an incredible testimony,
44:51 it is wonderful that God is doing these things
44:54 as you allow Him to do in your life 44:56 and it is so important, you know, the
Bible does say, 44:58 "Judge not, that you be not judged."
45:01 And all of this is written for our, 45:04 you know, benefit, amen.
45:06 But somehow as Christians 45:07 we wanna read this and say, you know
what, 45:10 Dan, you should be doing such and such.
45:12 You shouldn't be eating this, 45:13 or you shouldn't be smoking that,
45:15 or you shouldn't be drinking this 45:16 and really it's not up to us to save
anybody 45:20 and it's not up to us to point out anyone's
sins 45:23 because we all have sinned
45:24 and come short of the glory of God, that's right.
45:26 And so, really if we as Christians 45:28 could worry about our own life
45:30 and let other people worry about theirs and we pray
45:32 and we support them when they ask questions 45:34 but keep from judging.
45:36 I think this-- the world 45:38 and Christian churches in general might
be, 45:40 have a better atmosphere,
45:42 if we realize that, you know what, 45:43 let's just be glad that we're all here.
45:46 We are all sinners in need of a savior 45:48 and thank the Lord that we can come
here and, 45:51 you know, fellowship with other like
Christians, 45:53 though we're never gonna be all alike
45:55 because we are all different, 45:57 everyone of us is made differently,
absolutely. 45:59 And we have a, maybe five, six, seven
more minutes. 46:03 I wanna talk a little bit more about
the book, 46:05 and you wrote this book
46:07 and you're wanting to see what, Dan? 46:08 Anytime you write a book
46:10 you obviously feel like the information 46:11 is something that needs to go public
beyond. 46:14 I write songs and sometimes they're
just for me 46:17 and but other times
46:18 I think they maybe for a wider audience. 46:20 So you've written this little book,
46:22 "Why I am a Sabbath-keeping Christian," 46:24 and what did you want to see come out
of it? 46:29 The first thing is as I indicated a
while ago, 46:31 it was written to help people
46:33 who have made that decision 46:34 to share with their family and friends.
46:38 I'll give you a couple of illustrations. 46:40 I had a message from a young man several
months ago. 46:45 He was working in a small shop,
46:48 not too many people are working there 46:50 but he'd become a Christian and he had
become convicted 46:53 and convinced of his own about the Sabbath.
46:57 And someone had given him a copy of my little book
47:01 and he was praying, asking God, 47:05 how he could share with those that he
was working with. 47:09 One day the foreman came up to him
47:11 and told him that he could no longer be off on Saturday.
47:15 And he asked why? 47:16 He said, you've been allowing me
47:17 to be off on Saturday to go to church 47:19 for several months there.
47:20 And the foreman said, 47:22 well, the other men in the shop,
47:23 they're complaining because they had to work on Saturday
47:26 and you have Saturday off. 47:28 So he went home that night and start
praying and God said, 47:32 give him a copy of Dan Jarrard's book.
47:35 So he calls me up and I shipped him some copies.
47:39 He gives a copy to each of the persons 47:41 who's working in the shop.
47:44 Two weeks later, they all get together 47:47 and have a meeting.
47:49 They go to the foreman 47:50 and they have signed a petition
47:53 that this individual be allowed to have Sabbath off.
47:58 Oh, wow, that's great. 48:00 He couldn't explain it himself.
48:02 He is a new Christian but God used this little book
48:05 and that's one of the reasons why the book was written.
48:09 And an individual contacted me last summer
48:12 and he has a flea market business 48:16 and people were coming up asking,
48:19 why are you closed on Saturday? 48:20 I mean, this is the busiest day
48:22 for those in flea market business. 48:25 And so God just impressed him
48:26 to start giving out this little book, okay.
48:29 And he said, this had a number of people 48:31 who started going to church with.
48:32 He can explain it. 48:33 He felt like he was incapable of doing.
48:35 Another reason 48:37 I wrote the book is to help pastors,
48:41 church members, 48:43 and evangelist in sharing a message
of the Sabbath 48:47 in a way that is not trying to prove
something 48:53 but in a way that will help people identify,
okay. 48:56 Identify, and so the book is being
48:59 used by a number of evangelists and pastors in this respect.
49:04 Just a few months ago, 49:07 we had a precious couple in Oklahoma
49:10 who ordered 2,600 copies 49:13 and they mailed them out to the entire
county, wow. 49:16 Another couple in West Virginia,
49:19 they are sending or personally delivering a copy
49:22 to every protestant pastor in that county. 49:28 So these are some of the things that's
happening 49:30 and these are the reasons why I wrote
the book, 49:35 so that God could use a testimony to
reach out 49:40 and minister the people
49:42 Yeah, and it won't take you long to read it,
49:44 so it's not like a long read for those of you
49:46 who aren't really great readers 49:48 but there are 60 pages or so.
49:50 But, you know, again this is very, very heavy stuff,
49:53 I mean, the Sabbath was-- 49:55 why you keep it, it was kept in the
beginning. 49:57 Sabbath was kept by Jesus.
49:59 Sabbath was kept by the apostles. 50:02 The Sabbath was kept by the early church.
50:03 And when we read in Isaiah it says, 50:05 from one Sabbath to another even in
heaven. Right. 50:07 We're keeping the Sabbath so, why wouldn't
we do it here? 50:10 No, one of the issues that, that I had
to deal with 50:13 very early on was--I had been taught
50:16 that the Sabbath was part of the Jewish economy.
50:20 Oh, yeah. But I discovered that the Sabbath predated Judaism.
50:25 I mean Abraham wasn't called until Genesis 12
50:29 and Abraham is the beginning of the people of Israel.
50:34 The Sabbath was instituted in the beginning long before.
50:38 In fact Jesus said, the Sabbath, and I'm paraphrasing here,
50:42 putting in normal way, 50:44 the Sabbath wasn't made for the Jew,
50:46 the Sabbath was made for men. 50:48 Yeah, so long time before there's a
Jew. 50:53 One of the things I was taught was that
50:54 the Sabbath was part of the legislation 50:58 that came down from Moses.
51:00 Well, one of the things I discovered very early on
51:02 was the Sabbath predated that. 51:07 The Ten Commandments were not given
51:08 in written form until Exodus 20. That's right.
51:11 In Exodus Chapter 16, with the manna we find that
51:16 the Sabbath is still--so I started seeing 51:18 all of these inconsistencies.
51:20 One things I had to wrestle with was the Sabbath is Sunday
51:26 because that's the Lord's day. 51:28 Well, Revelation 1 mentions the Lord's
day 51:31 but it doesn't say what day that is.
51:33 Right. And so I had to do-- 51:34 go back and find out what is the Lord's
day. 51:37 And Jesus said in Matthew and Mark
51:42 that He is the Lord of Sabbath. Yes. 51:44 Genesis says that, God is the Lord of
the Sabbath. 51:49 So I started seeing all of these inconsistencies
51:53 but I never found inconsistency in the word of God. Amen.
51:59 Well, that's great. What I'd like to do,
52:01 I would like to put up your address right now,
52:02 if it's okay, for people if you would like to contact
52:05 dear brother Jarrard, you'd like to see
52:07 what products he has available and I don't know
52:10 if he can still comes in your church 52:12 and now you have to fight that out with
him. 52:13 Write him if you want him to come
52:15 maybe the Holy Spirit is impressing. 52:16 I know, he has a church but I also know
he loves evangelism 52:19 and still a part of his heart, too.
52:21 So maybe the Holy Spirit is impressing you,
52:23 just to send a love gift that maybe would sponsor enough
52:27 for these books to be given out by other people.
52:29 Maybe you're in a position, you feel you can't go out
52:32 and do it but you can help somehow, 52:34 so anyway whatever it is on your heart
52:36 you may contact him at the following address.
52:41 If you would like to know how you can get the book
52:43 "Why I am a Sabbath-keeping Christian" 52:46 or if you would like to contact Dan,
52:48 then you can write to Message of Hope Ministries,
52:51 964 Thompson Chapel Road, Wilson, North Carolina, 27896.
52:57 That's Message of Hope Ministries, 52:59 964 Thompson Chapel Road, Wilson, North
Carolina, 27896. 53:06 You can call (252) 292-2936.
53:10 That's (252) 292-2936 53:14 or you can visit his website his danjarrard.com,
53:18 that's d-a-n-j-a-r-r-a-r-d.com.