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>>JIM: IN 1997 WHEN I HAD LEUKEMIA, MY LIFE WAS REDUCED TO SEMICONSCIOUS ANEMIA.
MY INSPIRATION WAS A MAGNIFICENT HUMAN BEING. A SUPER CYCLIST WHO COULD BE REACHED BY TELEVISED
SEEING. HE TOO ROSE FROM THE DEPTH OF CANCER'S DAILY
SLOG. HE WAS MAGICALLY CLEANING THE ROAD OF DOUBT
AND MEDICAL FOG. HE WAS A REINCARNATION NAMED LANCE, AND HE
WAS A SEVEN-TIME WINNER OF THE TOUR DE FRANCE. HE BECKONED TO US VICTIMS, WE WERE MORE THAN
JUST A FEW. IF I CAN BEAT A CANCEROUS DEATH, SO CAN YOU.
SO I DID. AND HE WAS MY HERO.
ONLY NOW HE IS A REVEALED CHEATER, A DOPER, AN ABSOLUTE ZERO.
NOW IT IS JUST SO SAD THAT HE HAS FALLEN FROM SO GOOD TO SO BAD.
THE LESSON LEARNED, IT'S NOT THE DARING DO, BETTER THAN LIVING STRONG IS THE CHALLENGE
OF LIVING TRUE. "LEAHEY & LEAHEY" COMING UP NEXT.
>>KANOA: WHAT'S UP EVERYBODY, WELCOME TO ANOTHER EDITION OF "LEAHEY & LEAHEY".
POPS JIM, SON KANOA SITTING AT THE TABLE. WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE LANCE
ARMSTRONG ISSUE, HOW IT RELATES HAVE TO PERFORM ENHANCED DRUG USE.
WHO BETTER TO TALK ABOUT THAT THAN JIM BARAHAL. >>JIM: DOCTOR.
>>KANOA: HE'S HAD TO DEAL WITH IT IN THE REALM OF THE HONOLULU MARATHON AND HOW YOU APPROACH
WHAT IS BECOMING EVERY SINGLE DAY IT SEEMS A MORE AND MORE COMPLEX AND WIDESPREAD ISSUE.
BEFORE WE GET INTO THE TALK OF LANCE ARMSTRONG WITH HIM, I ASK YOU, POPS, WE HEARD THE POEM,
VERY WELL DONE, BY THE WAY. I KNOW WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH AND I KNOW HOW
IMPORTANT LANCE ARMSTRONG WAS TO YOU IN YOUR FIGHT AGAINST LEUKEMIA.
HOW HEARTBREAKING IS IT FROM A PERSON OF YOUR PERSPECTIVE?
>>JIM: OH, I THINK IT'S VERY HEARTBREAKING. ESPECIALLY WHEN HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, AFTER WINNING,
WHY WOULD I TAKE DRUGS? I WAS AT DEATH'S DOOR AND I WAS ABLE TO SURVIVE
THAT. WHY WOULD I RISK MY BODY AGAIN?
IN TAKING THESE KIND OF ENHANCEMENT DRUGS? AND I WAS BELIEVED HIM.
AND I SAID, WOW, THIS IS MAGICAL. AND THE PEOPLE BELIEVED HIM.
I MEAN, THE CANCER VICTIMS BELIEVED HIM BY THE MILLIONS.
AND, NOW IT WASN'T TRUE. >>KANOA: WHAT DOES IT DO TO CHANGE THAT MESSAGE?
HOW IS THAT MESSAGE NOW -- BECAUSE THE INSPIRATION WAS STILL THERE, AND THE INSPIRATION, I THINK
AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THE GOOD THAT HIS FOUNDATION CAN DO CAN STILL EXIST.
BUT HOW LESSENED IS IT? >>JIM: OH, I THINK IT'S VERY MUCH LESSENED
BECAUSE BEFORE HE WAS UNTAINTED. BEFORE HE WAS BEFORE.
HE WAS DOWN IN THE DEATH. BEATING THIS HORRID DISEASE, AND HE COMES
BACK AND BECOMES A CHAMPION NOT ONCE BUT SEVEN TIMES.
AND HE IS AN EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, IF HE CAN DO IT, IF HE CAN HAVE THAT KIND OF LIFE AND
BEATING THIS DISEASE, SO CAN I. SO CAN EVERYBODY IF WE LIVE STRONG.
AND YOU KNOW, I WORE THE YELLOW BAND. I WAS BUYING INTO WHAT HE WAS DOING.
AND IT WAS MORE THAN JUST, WOW, LOOK AT THIS GUY.
IT WAS WOW! LOOK AT WHAT HE'S DOING.
AND SHAME ON THESE PEOPLE WHO WOULD QUESTION HIM.
SHAME ON THESE PEOPLE WHO JUST JEALOUS. >>KANOA: THERE WERE A FEW REPORTERS, TELEVISION
PERSONALITIES, PEOPLE CLOSE COTHIS CASE WHO BROUGHT UP INTERESTING QUESTIONS.
ONE OF THEM THE FACT THAT THIS -- AND WHEN WE WILL WAIT TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT HE ADMITS
TO ON THIS OPRAH WINFREY THAT WILL AIR ON HER NETWORK TOMORROW.
EXACTLY WHEN HE STARTED DOING SOME OF THESE PERFORMANCE-ENHANCING DRUGS.
THERE IS EVIDENCE, ACCORDING TO THE REPORTS, PEOPLE WHO WITNESSED HIM USING ALL THE WAY
BACK IN 1996, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN BEFORE HE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER.
WHICH LEADS YOU TO THE QUESTION OF, WAS HIS USAGE SOMETHING THAT LED TO HIS CANCER.
>>JIM: THAT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. >>KANOA: IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT TAKES A BIZARRE
CASE. LET'S BRING IT BACK TO OAHU AND THE UNIVERSITY
OF HAWAII AT MANOA. FEW THING GOING ON.
THE BEN JAY ERA STARTED THE NEW ATHLETIC DIRECT OR.
HE COMES AFTER BEING A SENIOR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR AT OHIO STATE.
GONNA GET A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT. GOING TO BE PAID ABOUT $293,000 A YEAR.
YOU HAVE THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII BASKETBALL TEAM LOSE TWO STRAIGHT GAMES ON THE ROAD.
YOU ALSO HAVE WARRIOR VOLLEYBALL, WHICH IS OFF TO A BIT OF A STUMBLING START ITSELF THIS
SEASON. ALTHOUGH THEY DID GET A FIVE-MATCH -- FIVE-SET
WIN OVER UCLA AND A THRILLING WIN ON THE LAST DAY OF THE OUTRIGGER INVITATIONAL.
WHICH CARRIES THE MOST IMPORTANCE? >>JIM: THE MOST IMPORTANCE IS BEN JAY.
MOST IMPORTANT IS THE POP SIS THAT WILL BE -- POLICIES THAT WILL BE INSTITUTED BY THE
ATHLETIC DIRECTOR. ALREADY HE'S SAYING, HOW COME WE HAVE ALL
OF THESE NICKNAMES? AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING, IT SHOULD BE RAINBOWS.
IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE CHANGED. RAINBOWS ARE A FANTASTIC NICKNAME BECAUSE
RAINBOWS CANNOT BE MANUFACTURED. IT CANNOT TOUCH IT.
YOU CAN ONLY LOOK IN AWE AT ITS BEAUTY. >>KANOA: YEAH.
>>JIM: AND EVERY TEAM OF THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII AS IT WAS IN THE PAST SHOULD REVERT
TO RAINBOWS. >>KANOA: WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT, IN HAWAII'S
DESIRE TO BE WIDELY SPECIAL NATIONWIDE AND MAKE AN IMPRESSION ON THE REST OF THE NATION,
THEY STARTED TO -- AND I UNDERSTAND THE MARKETS SIDE OF IT AND TELLING JERSEYS FOR SURE.
BUT THERE STARTED TO BE A SENTIMENT OF WHAT DO ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE OUTSIDE THINK
OF US? YOU KNOW, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THEIR IMPRESSION
OF US IF OUR NICKNAME IS THE RAINBOWS GOING FORWARD VERSUS THE WARRIORS.
AND I FEEL LIKE IF THAT'S YOUR IDENTITY AND SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE CREATED AS YOUR IMAGE
OVER THE COURSE OF A LONG TIME IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII, YOU SHOULD OWN
IT AND NOT WORRY ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK. >>JIM: THAT'S RIGHT.
>>KANOA: I LIKE THAT HE'S TOUCHED UPON THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW HIGH A PRIORITY THAT PARTICULAR
ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, JIM DONOVAN -- THAT WAS SOMETHING HE WANTED TO GET TO.
DIDN'T QUITE GET THE CHANCE. BUT I DO THINK IF HE DOES GET TO THAT, I AGREE
WITH YOU. I THINK IT'S TIME TO BRING THE RAINBOW BACK
INTO THE FOLD OFFICIALLY BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE THE RAINBOWS, THE BASEBALL TEAM.
THE BASKETBALL TEAM IS THE RAINBOW WARRIORS. IF I WERE TO RUN IT THE MEN ARE RAINBOW WARRIORS,
THE WOMEN ARE RAINBOW WAHINE. >>JIM: THE MEN ARE RAINBOW AND WOMEN ARE RAINBOW.
THAT'S IT. I REALLY LIKE THE NICKNAME.
AND HE SHOULD TAKE OUT THAT SILVER AND BLACK THAT WAS INSTITUTED BY JUNE JONES.
THROW IT AWAY AND GO BACK TO GREEN AND WHITE. >>KANOA: I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE
WHO AGREE WITH YOU CERTAINLY. >>JIM: OLD PEOPLE.
>>KANOA: THIS CAME UP THE PAST WEEK. NOTRE DAME DEFEAT.
THERE WAS A PICTURE IN THE STAR ADVERTISER WHICH SHOWED MANTI TE'O ON HIS BACK WITH THE
RUNNING BACK FOR ALABAMA EDDIE LACEY PAST HIM.
THE HEADLINE -- DESCRIBING THE GAME. THAT WAS THE IMAGE THEY WANTED TO PUT ON IT.
MANTI'S DAD TOOK EXCEPTION AND SAID HE'S BEEN HELPING THE ADVERTISER IN TERMS OF THEIR COVERAGE
OF MANTI AND HE POSTED ON FACEBOOK THAT HE SO WAS IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THE IMAGE OF THAT
PHOTO AND WHAT THE ADVERTISER DEPICKETTED THE PERFORMANCE OF MANTI TO BE, HE CALLED
FOR THE 5D TIESOR TO -- ADVERTISER TO BE BLACK LISTED.
THAT ENDED UP BEING POSTED ON MANTI'S FAN PAGE.
THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO CAUGHT WIND OF IT AND SAW IT.
IT BECAME, AT LEAST AMONG SOME BLOCKS, NOT MAINSTREAM MEDIA BUT IT BECAME A NATIONAL
STORY. POPS, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
THE POST HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED, BUT WHAT IS THE IMPRESSION YOU HAVE OF BRIAN TE'O AND
HIS REACTION TO THAT? >>JIM: THAT'S FAMILY.
THAT'S HOW FATHERS REACT TO NEGATIVE COMMENTS OR PICTURES ABOUT THEIR SONS.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEEK BEFORE, MANTI TE'O WAS BECOMING A DEMI GOD.
AND I CRINGED AT THE PICTURE OF HIM KISSING THE TROPHY THE DAY BEFORE THE GAME.
I GO, NO, YOU ACCOUNT NO DO THAT. EVEN THE STANLEY CUP, NOBODY TOUCHES IT.
YOU DON'T TOUCH IT UNTIL YOU EARNED IT BUT THE PICTURE WAS THERE.
THIS IS A NEGATIVE PICTURE. YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST AMENDMENT, SURE,
THEY CAN PUBLISH ANYTHING THEY WANT. THEY'RE A MONOPOLY, THIS NEWSPAPER.
BUT I CAN SEE HOW FATHERS REACT TO THAT. IF YOU WERE A GREAT BASKETBALL PLAYER OR BASEBALL
PLAYER, WHICH OUTSHOULD -- YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN, I WOULD SAY YEAH.
I WOULD PICK IT. >>KANOA: WHEN I PLAY JV BASKETBALL MY FRESHMAN
YEAR AND I WASN'T PLAYING MUCH, YOU DID WHAT NO PLAYER WANTS THEIR DAD TO DO.
YOU TALKED TO THE COACHES AND YOU KIND OF GOT INTO THE COACHES.
>>JIM: YEAH, I SAID, HOW COME HE'S NOT PLAYING? WE'RE WORKING ON HIS DEFENSE.
HOW CAN YOU WORK ON HIS DEFENSE WHEN HE DOESN'T PLAY.
IF HE PLAYED IN THIS GAME TODAY, YOU SHOULD HAVE WON IT.
>>KANOA: THAT'S A NATURAL REACTION, CERTAINLY, BUT WHEN MANTI IS GETTING THE KIND OF ATTENTION
HE IS, AND REALLY, THAT WAS PROBABLY THE FIRST PIECE OF NEGATIVITY IN TERMS OF THE WAY PEOPLE
TALKED ABOUT MANTI AND THE PERFORMANCE HE PUT FORTH IN THE BCS CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, THAT
THEY EVER EXPERIENCED. PRIOR TO THAT, HE WAS A PHENOM.
HE NEEDS TO UNDER THAT WHEN YOUR SON IS EXALTED TO THAT VISIBILITY LEVEL AND WHEN HERE'S BECOME
THAT BIG OF A FIGURE, YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE THE NEGATIVE WITH THE POSITIVE BECAUSE THAT COMES
WITH THE POSITIVE. >>JIM: AND THERE WILL BE MORE.
>>KANOA: WHEN HE GET TO THE NFL. >>JIM: HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE POSITIVES BUT
THERE WILL BE NEGATIVES. >>KANOA: CHIP KELLY, FORMER OREGON HEAD COACH
SAID HE WASN'T INTERESTED IN GOING TO THE NFL AND CONTINUE TO COACH ANOTHER LOCAL GUY
PLAYING ON THE BIG STAGE, MARCUS, QUARTERBACK FOR THE DUCKS.
THIS MORNING, HE IS GOING TO GO TO THE NFL AND BECOME HEAD COACH OF THE PHILADELPHIA
EAGLES. OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR EXPECTED TO TAKE OVER.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE CHIP KELLY'S MIND? >> CHIP THE DIP, YOU KNOW.
CHIP THE DIP BECAUSE HE DIPPED INTO THE BIG MONEY.
YOU KNOW THE BOWL OF BIG MONEY. >>KANOA: AND --
>>JIM: YEAH. WHATEVER.
CHIP THE DIP. NOW HE'S GOING TO PHILADELPHIA.
I'M TIRED OF COACHES SAYING ONE THING AND DOING ANOTHER.
THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT. MONEY RULES.
>>KANOA: I THINK ULTIMATELY THAT'S THE CASE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FIGURE AT THE TIME
OF THIS TAPING, BUT CERTAINLY, THEY MUST HAVE PUT A HECK OF AN OFFER FOR CHIP KELLY TO SAY,
NEVER MIND, I WILL GO WITH YOU GUYS. IN OTHER NFL NEWS, HOW ABOUT THE NFL POST
SEASON. HOW EXCITING HAS IT BEEN?
AT LEAST SOME OF THE GAMES, IT'S COMING DOWN TO THE 49ERS AND FALCONS.
PATRIOTS AND RAVENS IN THE NFC. WHO YOU GOT IN THE SUPER BOWL?
>>JIM: I HAVE THE TWO BROTHERS FACING EACH OTHER.
IT'S GOING TO BE JOHN AGAINST JIM. >>KANOA: AND YOU WOULD LIKE THAT BEING A 49ER
FAN. >>JIM: YES, I WOULD.
AND IT'S CLASSIC. IT WOULD BE CLASSIC WEST VERSUS EAST.
THERE'S ONLY ONE THING STAND IN THE WAY, AND THAT'S NEW ENGLAND.
>>KANOA: I WILL RELENT -- >>JIM: THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. >>KANOA: I SAID THE PACKERS AND BRONCOS AND
BOTH OF THEM GOT OUSTED. IN DENVER'S CASES, IT WAS -- VERY STRANGE
THE WAY THEY HANDLE THE PEYTON MANNING. WITH ABOUT A MINUTE HALF, THEY PUNTED.
THAT LED TO THAT MIRACULOUS TOUCHDOWN BY FLACK KO.
WHEN THEY GOT THE BALL BACK, THE BRONCOS, TWO TOUCHDOWNS, MANNING DECIDED TO TAKE A
KNEE AND GO TO OVERTIME. I THOUGHT THAT WAS QUITE A MISHANDLING.
WHO YOU OUSTED TIM TEBOW FOR. GOT YOU INTO THE ROUND.
BUT I FEEL LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT AND BRING IN A MANNING, PUT THE BALL
IN HIS HANDS. LET HIM TRY TO WIN THE GAME FOR YOU.
[DOG BARKING] >>KANOA: HOW GUEST IS HERE.
>>JIM: THE DOCTOR. >>KANOA: COME ON HERE.
>>JIM: HOW ARE YOU? >>KANOA: HOW ARE YOU?
>> HAVE A SEAT. >> HAD A LITTLE TROUBLE FINDING THE HOUSE.
>>KANOA: YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE. >> ONE OTHER TIME.
YOU CONFUSED ME WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE BROTHERS.
THINKING, DOES TOM BRADY HAVE A BROTHER? >>JIM: YOU HEARD THIS?
>> I WAS STANDING OUTSIDE. >>KANOA: JIM BARAHAL.
YOU PRESIDED OVER YOUR 26TH RACE LAST MONTH. IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR HAWAII SPORTING
EVENT, THERE'S NOBODY WHAT'S BEEN IN CHARGE AS LONG AS YOU HAVE.
>> IT'S A LOT OF PRESIDING. WE HAVE A SAYING IN RUNNING, YOU'RE ONLY AS
GOODS A YOUR LAST WORKOUT. YOU'RE ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR LAST RACE.
IT FEELS LIKE A NEW THING EVERY YEAR. >>KANOA: IT WAS A GREAT LAST RACE.
HIGHEST ENTRY TOTAL IN 15 YEARS. OVER 24,000 FINISHERS, WHICH MAKES HONOLULU
THE SECOND LARGEST MARATHON IN AMERICA IN THE 2012 SEASON.
WHAT ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF THE HONOLULU MARATHON? THE STATE OF THAT CONVENIENT RIGHT -- EVENT
RIGHT NOW? >> WE HAVE AN ASTERISK THERE ON BEING THE
SECOND LARGEST BECAUSE NEW YORK WAS CANCELED. WE'LL TAKE IT.
IT'S THEIR PROBLEM. >>JIM: YEAH.
>> SECOND LARGEST IN THE UNITED STATES. WE'LL BE THIRD THIS YEAR.
WE'RE DEFINITELY GROWING. BOTH IN HAWAII AND WE'RE GROWING AGAIN IN
JAPAN, WHICH ARE THE TWO MANY MARKETS. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
HAWAII IS A MAJOR SPORTS MARKET, IS FAIRLY SMALL, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S NO PROFESSIONAL
SPORTS TEAMS. AS FAR AS HAVING A MAJOR EVENT SUCH AS A MARATHON,
IT'S PRETTY SMALL. WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR PEER GROUP, THE THREE
LARGEST IS LONDON, CHICAGO AND NEW YORK. WE DON'T HAVE THE POPULATION BASE.
SO WE'RE DRAWING A LOT FROM JAPAN. THAT'S A BIG MARKET.
WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE. >>KANOA: WE WISH YOU THE BEST IN THE FUTURE.
CONTINUED SUCCESS. PART OF THE REASON WE WANTED TO TALK TO YOU
TODAY WAS WE THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE A GREAT SOUNDING BOARD IN THE LANCE ARMSTRONG STORY.
YOU DEALT WITH PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS WITHIN THE HONOLULU MARATHON.
I THINK IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO THAT YOU HAD TO SUSPEND ONE OF THE RUNNERS FOR TESTING
POSITIVE. >> OUR CHAMPION FROM ETHIOPIA.
I WAS IN CALIFORNIA WHEN I GOT THE PHONE CALL. AT FIRST I WAS CONFUSED.
>> HOW IN THE WORLD IS THAT A PERFORMANCE-ENHANCING DRUG?
BUT HE DID TEST POSITIVE. THAT WAS AN INTERESTING KIND OF CASE BECAUSE
OTHER THINGS CAN CAUSE A POSITIVE TEST FOR OPIATES SUCH AS BAGELS.
>> SO I WAS IN A TOUGH POSITION. HE WAS OUR DEFENDING CHAMPION.
IN MY MEDICAL WORK, I DO A LOT OF WORK. WE HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA.
THEY WERE USING A LOW CUTOFF WHICH MADE IT DIFFICULT.
WE TALKED TO FOLKS WHO HUNG AROUND. AND HE HAD BEEN GOING TO STARBUCKS EVERY DAY
AND HAVING POPPYSEED MUFFINS. BUT I COULDN'T CROSSOVER AND BECOME HIS DEFENSE
ATTORNEY. THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENED THAT YEAR IS
OUR WOMAN'S CHAMPION AND OUR CURRENT RECORD HOLDER FROM RUSSIA, WHO HAD WON OUR RACE,
THEN TESTED POSITIVE IN BOSTON FOR MONTHS LATER FOR STEROIDS.
THAT WAS THE BIGGER PROBLEM. WE WERE CAUGHT THERE AGAIN BECAUSE SHE TESTED
NEGATIVE AT OUR RACE BUT TESTED POSITIVE. ALMOST WAS CHEATING AND WE COULD NOT STRIP
HER OF THE MONEY AND TITLE. THEN WE REALIZED PEOPLE ARE CHEATING SETTING
RECORDS. AT THAT POINT WE WERE ON THE USA TRACK AND
FIELD. SOMETIMES YOU'D BE TESTED AND SOMETIMES WE
WOULDN'T. AT THIS POINT WE DECIDED WE ARE GOING TO BE
DRUG TESTERS EVERY YEAR. WE TEST OUR TOP THREE AND WE ARE HOLD THE
PRIZE MONEY UNTIL THEY TEST CLEAN. >>JIM: I'M WONDERING, COULD A REGULAR RUNNER
DO THAT? TAKE PERFORMANCE-ENHANCING DRUGS AND NEVER
BE TESTED AND PERHAPS NOT WIN THE RACE BUT HAVE A BETTER TIME THAN THEY WOULD HAVE HAD
IF THEY HAD NOT DONE SO? >> ABSOLUTELY.
THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME THAT DO. HONESTLY, HAVING BEEN AROUND THIS FOR A LONG
TIME, BOTH AS BEING INVOLVED IN AN ENDURE RANCE SPORT WHERE THE CHEATING HAS BEEN THE
MOST RAMPANT AND LONGEST. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE EASTERN BLOCK IN THE
OLYMPICS IN THE '60'S AND '70'S, CHEATING WAS OUT OF CONTROL.
JOKES ABOUT THE RUSSIAN WOMEN BEING MEN. WE'RE IN A SPORT THAT'S DEALT WITH IT LONGER
THAN ANYBODY. I'VE BEEN AMAZED IN HAWAII.
YOU KINDER WONDER WHY WOULD PEOPLE -- IS IT UNDERSTANDABLE IN LANCE ARMSTRONG'S CASE OR
BEAR BONDS? I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOT
BEEN CONVICTED, SO ALLEGEDLY DOING THIS. A LOT OF MONEY AT STAKE.
IF YOU COULD ASK YOURSELF THE SAME QUESTION, YOU ASK A 21-YEAR-OLD ANYTHING THAT'S NOT
HEALTHY, THEY THINK YOU'RE GOING TO LIVE HEALTHY. THROUGH IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, PEOPLE WILL
MAKE THAT DECISION TO CHEAT. THEY DON'T THINK ITS GOING TO HARM THEM.
IT'S PUZZLING TO THINK MORE OF A RECREATION THE ATHLETE WILL DO THAT.
>>KANOA: WHICH THINGS THE QUESTION OF, WHAT IS THE DARKER SIDE OF THIS?
IS IT THE FACT YOU HAVE THESE ATHLETES WHO ARE MAKING MILLIONS, WHO ARE BECOMING ROLE
MODELS AND INSPIRATIONS TO PEOPLE IN THE CASE OF LANCE ARMSTRONG, PEOPLE WHO WERE FIGHTING
CANCER ADS HE WAS, OR THE FACT THAT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT CAN BE SO HARMFUL TO
THEIR BODIES. WE BRING UP THE QUESTION OF MAYBE SOME OF
THAT POTENTIAL DRUG USE MAY HAVE CAUSED OR BEEN AT LEAST A FACTOR IN THE CANCER THAT
LANCE ARMSTRONG HAD TO GO UP AGAINST. >> CERTAINLY THE TYPE OF PERFORMANCE-ENHANCING
DRUGS HE USED, THE HORMONES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH MANY CANCERS.
HIGH-PROFILE FOOTBALL PLAYERS AND BASEBALL PLAYERS -- I THINK KEN CAMANITI, JOHN MATUSAC
TIED OF CANCER. CLEARLY IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH TUMORS.
THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. >>KANOA: THESE ROLE MODELS ARE CHEATING OR
LIKE OR THEY'RE ROLE MODELS AND DOING SOMETHING OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT LOOK AT.
I'LL DO THE SAME THING. >> LET'S LOOK AT INSIDE OUT.
DON'T START OUT TO BE ROLE MODELS. I'VE NEVER MET AN ATHLETE WHO SAID MY DREAM
IS TO BECOME A ROLE MODEL. MY DREAM IS TO PLAY IN THE NFL.
HE WAS 11-YEAR-OLD AND BE A ROLE MODEL. AND HE'S TAKING GRIEF ABOUT THE TATTOOS.
THESE GUYS START AS KIDS. WE LAY THE ROLE MODEL THING ON TO THEM.
WE PUT THEM ON THEIR HEAD. AND SOMETIMES IT FITS, AND OFTEN IT DOESN'T.
SO THAT'S NOT WHAT THEIR ASPIRING TO BE. THEY'RE JUST ASPIRING TO BE THE BEST THEY
CAN IN THEIR SPORT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT COMES DOWN TO PERSON
THE CHOICE. IS THERE PEER PRESSURE, ABSOLUTELY.
BUT IT'S STILL AN INDIVIDUAL CHOICE. I STILL THINK MOST OF THEM DON'T CHEAT.
>>JIM: LET ME DIGRESS. HAVE YOU HAD IN THE HONOLULU MARATHON ANY
OTHER FORMS OF CHEATING SUCH AS THE ROSY RUIZ TYPE OF CHEATING.
>> WE HAD THAT. >>JIM: I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
>> JUST JUST BEFORE THE TECHNOLOGY WAS GOOD, WE USED TO TAKE A VIDEO VERIFICATION.
TALK ABOUT PRIMITIVE, TA THOUSAND PEOPLE. ONCE WE GOT THE TIMING CHIP, YOU CAN SEE IF
PEOPLE MISSED A CHECKPOINT. IN A LITTLE PERIOD WHERE I WAS GETTING TIRED,
I SAID THIS IS RIDICULOUS. WE'RE PAYING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
I INVENTED SOMETHING CALLED MARA SCAN. WE WERE DOING NO SUCH THING.
BECAUSE -- AND THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT IN RESPONSE TO ROSY RUIZ.
PEOPLE WILL CHEAT IN THE MARATHON. I WON'T MENTION NAMES BUT THERE WAS A GUY
HERE, WHEN I WAS A COMPETITIVE RUNNER -- WHEN YOU'RE INVOLVED AT A SPORT HERE, AT ANY LEVELS
YOU KNOW YOUR PEER GROUP IN HAWAII. YOU KNOW WHO'S GOOD AND WHO ISN'T.
AND THIS GUY WAS RUNNING THE BOSTON MARATHON EVERY YEAR.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS. HE WAS CHEATING.
AND WE GET THAT EVERY YEAR. IF YOU SEE A DISCREPANCY, YOU KIND OF HAVE
TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT AND WHAT PLACE. IF IT'S A MONEY THING, AN AWARD THING, WE
LOOK AT IT HARDER. IF SOMEONE GOES SIX HOURS, YOU'LL HAVE TO
DEAL WITH IT HIMSELF. I CAN'T GO THERE.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD DIGRESSION BECAUSE IT ATTACKS THE SAME PSYCHOLOGY AS WHY WOULD
A NONELITE ATHLETE CHEAT? ESPECIALLY IN A SPORT LIKE RUNNING WHICH IS
A LITTLE BIT LIKE GOLF. IT'S REALLY AN HONOR S WHO ARE YOU CHEATING
HERE? >>KANOA: IT'S EGOS.
IS TESTING THE ONLY ANSWER? OR IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY TO CHANGE THE CULTURE
THANK -- THAT IS PARTICULARLY IN ENDURANCE SPORT THE DESIRE TO CHEAT?
>> THE PROBLEM IS THE CHEAT AND DRUG PERMEATED IN SO MANY SPORTS.
THE CLOCK DOESN'T LIE. THE OTHER SPORTS CAN BE A LITTLE MORE SUBJECTIVE.
ON THE JV BASKETBALL TEAM, YOUR DAD THOUGHT YOU SHOULD BE PLAYING.
IN RUNNING YOU CAN SAY I'M BETTER THAN THE OTHER GUY.
HE RAN 12:18 AND YOU RAN -- I DON'T THINK YOU'RE BETTER.
AND SO, YEAH, WHENEVER SOMEBODY RIPS A PERFORMANCE OR SETS A RECORD, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT
OF JELOUSY. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE MUR MURES, RUMORS
AND ACCUSATIONS OF CHEATING. THE HBO JUST DID THE 33RD ABOUT BEN JOHNSON
IN THE 198800 METERS. AND THEY TALKED TO ALL THOSE GUYS INCLUDING
CARL LEWIS WHO WAS ACCUSED OF CHEATING. YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE ACCUSED OF CHEATING.
>>KANOA: IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO GO AWAY FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
>> IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S A BREAKTHROUGH PERFORMANCE,
THOSE WHO ARE NOT CAPABLE FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT'S THAT COMBINATION OF TALENT, TRAINING
AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT ENABLES SOMEONE TO -- ENABLES SOMEONE TO GET TO THE TOP.
THERE ARE THOSE LOOKING UP SAYING, YOU CHEATED. IF YOU DON'T SAY THAT, YOU'RE HAVING TO ADMIT
YOU'RE NOT AS GOOD. AND THAT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO DO.
>>KANOA: WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING BY. >>JIM: CONTINUED SUCCESS.
>>KANOA: JIM BARAHAL. SEE YOU NEXT TIME ON "LEAHEY & LEAHEY."